Re[2]: [WG] Workgroups update
On 2024-03-29 at 10:25, "Rich Bowen" wrote: >> On Mar 29, 2024, at 10:21 AM, Gary Gregory wrote: >I have several answers to this, but the main one is that we’re not sure yet, and would love your help in defining that. The “workgroup workgroup” was, conceptually, a place where we’d discuss how to manage/govern the workgroups, but that hasn’t gotten any love yet. > >—Rich I would like to help with that Work Group. Regards Keith -- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org >For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: [WG] Workgroups update
On Fri, Mar 29, 2024, 21:14 Jarek Potiuk wrote: > > * signing up to become an advisor: > > https://github.com/apache/comdev-working-groups/blob/main/wg-advisors/advisors.md > I know I'm not usually the one to raise this objection, but... It occurs to me that some projects, and some individuals may not wish for this info to be public. Is this a real concern? Should we move the list to ASFP? It is it already optional?
Re: [WG] Workgroups update
Out of those, I'd encourage everyone to also take a look at the advisors which I think if we collectively execute it right, might make a big difference on how people are perceiving the ASF. I personally would like that quite a number of people who are active members will take on the "advisors" role in some of the PMCs eventually (and I personally definitely am going to pick a project or two and offer my help). In the meantime: * you can help with clarifying (proposing or commenting) some of the "whys" (I.e. adding a bit more context and starting points for the advisors to help explain some of the red-flags to other projects) https://github.com/apache/comdev-working-groups/tree/main/wg-advisors/why . We have a few of those - I just made a draft proposal on another https://github.com/apache/comdev-working-groups/pull/35 * signing up to become an advisor: https://github.com/apache/comdev-working-groups/blob/main/wg-advisors/advisors.md * possibly starting to advise projects that you would like to, even today J.. On Sat, Mar 30, 2024 at 12:20 AM Paulo Motta wrote: > I would like to help in the badging working group but I’m currently on > vacation. I will follow-up in 4 weeks or less. I will join efforts if > someone else takes on some initial work before then. > > On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 at 11:07 Rich Bowen wrote: > > > A month or so ago I started pitching workgroups as a way to organize and > > make progress on the many pain points around the Foundation. > > > > We’ve made a little progress since then, but not a lot of follow-up. > > > > The only way that we’re going to have success here is if we build this > > thing together, and focus on progress, rather than perfection. So I want > to > > encourage each of you to think about what single task you can accomplish > in > > one of these working groups (or, even better, what’s your idea for > another > > group?) in the coming months. > > > > So far, here’s what we have: > > > > A top-level web page talking about the WGs: > > https://community.apache.org/workinggroups/ > > 7 proposed WGs: > > > > wg-wg - Defining how working groups work, in general. > > wg-advisors - Advising PMCs on best practice > > wg-badging - Creation and maintenance of an accomplishment badging system > > wg-social - Orchestrating local gathering of Apache enthusiasts > > wg-social-media - Social media > > wg-website - Maintenance and improvement of the website > > wg-welcome - Helping projects, and the ASF in general, be more welcoming > > > > There was a great deal of discussion on the Advisors WG, but the majority > > of that was around naming, rather than actually advising projects. I > think > > that this is the WG where we can have the highest impact on the > Foundation > > as a whole, and I’d really like to see some folks stepping up to do this > > work, in whatever small ways you can. > > > > I also want to encourage each of you to take ownership of this. This > isn’t > > *my* effort. It’s ours, collectively, and we must share the ownership of > it > > if we’re going to make any progress. If any of you wants to take a more > > proactive position in any of these WGs, please step forward and do it. > You > > don’t need anyone’s permission. > > > > As for myself, I am kind of in stealth mode as an Advisor on a couple of > > projects, and am working on the website as I have time. But this is going > > to take all of us. > > > > — > > Rich Bowen > > rbo...@rcbowen.com > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: [WG] Workgroups update
I would like to help in the badging working group but I’m currently on vacation. I will follow-up in 4 weeks or less. I will join efforts if someone else takes on some initial work before then. On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 at 11:07 Rich Bowen wrote: > A month or so ago I started pitching workgroups as a way to organize and > make progress on the many pain points around the Foundation. > > We’ve made a little progress since then, but not a lot of follow-up. > > The only way that we’re going to have success here is if we build this > thing together, and focus on progress, rather than perfection. So I want to > encourage each of you to think about what single task you can accomplish in > one of these working groups (or, even better, what’s your idea for another > group?) in the coming months. > > So far, here’s what we have: > > A top-level web page talking about the WGs: > https://community.apache.org/workinggroups/ > 7 proposed WGs: > > wg-wg - Defining how working groups work, in general. > wg-advisors - Advising PMCs on best practice > wg-badging - Creation and maintenance of an accomplishment badging system > wg-social - Orchestrating local gathering of Apache enthusiasts > wg-social-media - Social media > wg-website - Maintenance and improvement of the website > wg-welcome - Helping projects, and the ASF in general, be more welcoming > > There was a great deal of discussion on the Advisors WG, but the majority > of that was around naming, rather than actually advising projects. I think > that this is the WG where we can have the highest impact on the Foundation > as a whole, and I’d really like to see some folks stepping up to do this > work, in whatever small ways you can. > > I also want to encourage each of you to take ownership of this. This isn’t > *my* effort. It’s ours, collectively, and we must share the ownership of it > if we’re going to make any progress. If any of you wants to take a more > proactive position in any of these WGs, please step forward and do it. You > don’t need anyone’s permission. > > As for myself, I am kind of in stealth mode as an Advisor on a couple of > projects, and am working on the website as I have time. But this is going > to take all of us. > > — > Rich Bowen > rbo...@rcbowen.com > > > > >
Re: [WG] Workgroups update
> On Mar 29, 2024, at 1:17 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: > > Hi Rich, > > That's great, thanks ! > > Quick question about wg-advisors: does this WG include "strong" advice > to the PMC, like legal/trademark/brand advices to avoid issue ? > Yes, we should definitely be giving this advice to projects, and linking to the official sources of those policies whenever possible. This also came up in the context of Security issues - where we should be pointing to the Security team’s policy and advice when it’s relevant. —Rich - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: [WG] Workgroups update
Hi Rich, That's great, thanks ! Quick question about wg-advisors: does this WG include "strong" advice to the PMC, like legal/trademark/brand advices to avoid issue ? Regards JB On Fri, Mar 29, 2024 at 3:06 PM Rich Bowen wrote: > > A month or so ago I started pitching workgroups as a way to organize and make > progress on the many pain points around the Foundation. > > We’ve made a little progress since then, but not a lot of follow-up. > > The only way that we’re going to have success here is if we build this thing > together, and focus on progress, rather than perfection. So I want to > encourage each of you to think about what single task you can accomplish in > one of these working groups (or, even better, what’s your idea for another > group?) in the coming months. > > So far, here’s what we have: > > A top-level web page talking about the WGs: > https://community.apache.org/workinggroups/ > 7 proposed WGs: > > wg-wg - Defining how working groups work, in general. > wg-advisors - Advising PMCs on best practice > wg-badging - Creation and maintenance of an accomplishment badging system > wg-social - Orchestrating local gathering of Apache enthusiasts > wg-social-media - Social media > wg-website - Maintenance and improvement of the website > wg-welcome - Helping projects, and the ASF in general, be more welcoming > > There was a great deal of discussion on the Advisors WG, but the majority of > that was around naming, rather than actually advising projects. I think that > this is the WG where we can have the highest impact on the Foundation as a > whole, and I’d really like to see some folks stepping up to do this work, in > whatever small ways you can. > > I also want to encourage each of you to take ownership of this. This isn’t > *my* effort. It’s ours, collectively, and we must share the ownership of it > if we’re going to make any progress. If any of you wants to take a more > proactive position in any of these WGs, please step forward and do it. You > don’t need anyone’s permission. > > As for myself, I am kind of in stealth mode as an Advisor on a couple of > projects, and am working on the website as I have time. But this is going to > take all of us. > > — > Rich Bowen > rbo...@rcbowen.com > > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: [WG] Workgroups update
> On Mar 29, 2024, at 10:21 AM, Gary Gregory wrote: > > Thank you for following up. > > How would I signal my interest in or join a working group? Maybe I missed > that part. I have several answers to this, but the main one is that we’re not sure yet, and would love your help in defining that. The “workgroup workgroup” was, conceptually, a place where we’d discuss how to manage/govern the workgroups, but that hasn’t gotten any love yet. I think other answers would be 1) Add yourself to the Readme, 2) start discussing, here, on this list, what you’d like to accomplish and 3) starting to do those things, while keeping up a running commentary of what you’re doing, and how other folks can get involved. The main thing that I want to emphasize is that I’m not the leader here. What I want more than anything is for folks to step up and take some of these things and run with them. I think they all desperately need to be done, but I only have time for one or two of them, myself. —Rich > On Fri, Mar 29, 2024, 10:06 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > >> A month or so ago I started pitching workgroups as a way to organize and >> make progress on the many pain points around the Foundation. >> >> We’ve made a little progress since then, but not a lot of follow-up. >> >> The only way that we’re going to have success here is if we build this >> thing together, and focus on progress, rather than perfection. So I want to >> encourage each of you to think about what single task you can accomplish in >> one of these working groups (or, even better, what’s your idea for another >> group?) in the coming months. >> >> So far, here’s what we have: >> >> A top-level web page talking about the WGs: >> https://community.apache.org/workinggroups/ >> 7 proposed WGs: >> >> wg-wg - Defining how working groups work, in general. >> wg-advisors - Advising PMCs on best practice >> wg-badging - Creation and maintenance of an accomplishment badging system >> wg-social - Orchestrating local gathering of Apache enthusiasts >> wg-social-media - Social media >> wg-website - Maintenance and improvement of the website >> wg-welcome - Helping projects, and the ASF in general, be more welcoming >> >> There was a great deal of discussion on the Advisors WG, but the majority >> of that was around naming, rather than actually advising projects. I think >> that this is the WG where we can have the highest impact on the Foundation >> as a whole, and I’d really like to see some folks stepping up to do this >> work, in whatever small ways you can. >> >> I also want to encourage each of you to take ownership of this. This isn’t >> *my* effort. It’s ours, collectively, and we must share the ownership of it >> if we’re going to make any progress. If any of you wants to take a more >> proactive position in any of these WGs, please step forward and do it. You >> don’t need anyone’s permission. >> >> As for myself, I am kind of in stealth mode as an Advisor on a couple of >> projects, and am working on the website as I have time. But this is going >> to take all of us. >> >> — >> Rich Bowen >> rbo...@rcbowen.com >> >> >> >> >> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: [WG] Workgroups update
Thank you for following up. How would I signal my interest in or join a working group? Maybe I missed that part. Gary On Fri, Mar 29, 2024, 10:06 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > A month or so ago I started pitching workgroups as a way to organize and > make progress on the many pain points around the Foundation. > > We’ve made a little progress since then, but not a lot of follow-up. > > The only way that we’re going to have success here is if we build this > thing together, and focus on progress, rather than perfection. So I want to > encourage each of you to think about what single task you can accomplish in > one of these working groups (or, even better, what’s your idea for another > group?) in the coming months. > > So far, here’s what we have: > > A top-level web page talking about the WGs: > https://community.apache.org/workinggroups/ > 7 proposed WGs: > > wg-wg - Defining how working groups work, in general. > wg-advisors - Advising PMCs on best practice > wg-badging - Creation and maintenance of an accomplishment badging system > wg-social - Orchestrating local gathering of Apache enthusiasts > wg-social-media - Social media > wg-website - Maintenance and improvement of the website > wg-welcome - Helping projects, and the ASF in general, be more welcoming > > There was a great deal of discussion on the Advisors WG, but the majority > of that was around naming, rather than actually advising projects. I think > that this is the WG where we can have the highest impact on the Foundation > as a whole, and I’d really like to see some folks stepping up to do this > work, in whatever small ways you can. > > I also want to encourage each of you to take ownership of this. This isn’t > *my* effort. It’s ours, collectively, and we must share the ownership of it > if we’re going to make any progress. If any of you wants to take a more > proactive position in any of these WGs, please step forward and do it. You > don’t need anyone’s permission. > > As for myself, I am kind of in stealth mode as an Advisor on a couple of > projects, and am working on the website as I have time. But this is going > to take all of us. > > — > Rich Bowen > rbo...@rcbowen.com > > > > >
[WG] Workgroups update
A month or so ago I started pitching workgroups as a way to organize and make progress on the many pain points around the Foundation. We’ve made a little progress since then, but not a lot of follow-up. The only way that we’re going to have success here is if we build this thing together, and focus on progress, rather than perfection. So I want to encourage each of you to think about what single task you can accomplish in one of these working groups (or, even better, what’s your idea for another group?) in the coming months. So far, here’s what we have: A top-level web page talking about the WGs: https://community.apache.org/workinggroups/ 7 proposed WGs: wg-wg - Defining how working groups work, in general. wg-advisors - Advising PMCs on best practice wg-badging - Creation and maintenance of an accomplishment badging system wg-social - Orchestrating local gathering of Apache enthusiasts wg-social-media - Social media wg-website - Maintenance and improvement of the website wg-welcome - Helping projects, and the ASF in general, be more welcoming There was a great deal of discussion on the Advisors WG, but the majority of that was around naming, rather than actually advising projects. I think that this is the WG where we can have the highest impact on the Foundation as a whole, and I’d really like to see some folks stepping up to do this work, in whatever small ways you can. I also want to encourage each of you to take ownership of this. This isn’t *my* effort. It’s ours, collectively, and we must share the ownership of it if we’re going to make any progress. If any of you wants to take a more proactive position in any of these WGs, please step forward and do it. You don’t need anyone’s permission. As for myself, I am kind of in stealth mode as an Advisor on a couple of projects, and am working on the website as I have time. But this is going to take all of us. — Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com
