Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Stian Soiland-Reyes]

Hi, Sharan! Great initiative, diversity is a very important topic for
ASF and software development in general!


Here's another great community:

http://www.womeninhpc.org/

They bring together many highly skilled HPC devops and researchers who
I am sure could bring valuable contributions to many HPC- and
cloud-related Apache projects.


Example of text from their training events, which I think could be a
good slot to sneak in some "Contribute to Open source (perhaps ASF?)"
slides:

> This event is open to everyone interested in using HPC, but all our training 
> staff will be women and we hope that this provides an opportunity for women 
> to network and build collaborations as well as learning new skills for a 
> challenging and rewarding career in HPC.




On 23 May 2016 at 11:45, Sharan Foga  wrote:
> Hi All
>
> Just a quick update. I've sent out an email to the following groups so far:
>
> - Pyladies
> - Phpladies
> - Women Who Code
> - Girls Who Code
> - Black Girls Code
>
> I'll post any feedback I get. Also if anyone thinks of any other groups
> they'd like me to contact then please let me know.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
>
> On 20/05/16 14:26, Sharan Foga wrote:
>>
>> Thanks very much to everyone for their feedback and support.
>>
>> Rich - I will contact these groups to see what feedback and advice they
>> can give.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sharan
>>
>> On 20/05/16 14:05, Rich Bowen wrote:
>>>
>>> I would suggest that the most constructive thing we could do would be to
>>> reach out to pyladies and phpwomen and other similar organizations and
>>> ask
>>> for recommendations and assistance in setting up a similar entity here.
>>> On May 19, 2016 11:18, "Sharan Foga"  wrote:
>>>
 Hi All

 I'm interested in finding out how we could encourage more women to
 participate on Apache projects. It's a discussion topic that came up
 last
 week while I was at Apachecon. My understanding is that we don't have
 any
 current strategies in place so I think it could be good to look at
 gathering some ideas about how to tackle the problem and also hear about
 any lessons learned from any previous or similar strategies.

 What do people think?

 Thanks
 Sharan



>>
>



-- 
Stian Soiland-Reyes
Apache Taverna (incubating), Apache Commons
http://orcid.org/-0001-9842-9718

Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Niall Pemberton]

Hi,

I don't disagree with any of the points on this Strategy page, they seem
good to me, but it would be good to communicate with our existing project
communities as well. Ross Gardler spoke about diversity in his "Sate of the
Feather" address at ApacheCon 2015, but how many people did that reach? We
operate primarily on mailing lists and I think it would be a good idea to
use that medium. What about the President using the project mailing
lists (user and/or dev) to talk about subjects such as Diversity or the
Code of Conduct?

Niall


On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:25 AM, Sharan Foga  wrote:

> Thanks Nick. I do have karma and I've created a basic page that I'll
> continue to add my ideas to and summarise any action points that are in
> progress.
>
> Link is
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Diversity+Strategy+Ideas
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
>
> On 23/05/16 23:44, Nick Burch wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 22 May 2016, Sharan Foga wrote:
>>
>>> Is it possible for me to get some space (eg a page etc on the Comdev
>>> wiki) to put together these initial ideas and the action points? I'm also
>>> thinking of using it to help develop the ideas further and to track the
>>> actions in progress.
>>>
>>
>> The ComDev wiki is hosted on Confluence at
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Index
>>
>> If you don't currently have karma for that wiki, let us know your cwiki
>> username and one of the ComDev wiki admins, or lurking infra folks, can
>> grant you write access!
>>
>> Nick
>>
>
>

Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Wyngaard, Jane R (398M-Affiliate)]

Hi Frans,

Sorry I¹ve been offline in the field and only catching up on this thread
now but would definitely like to chat to you on this front, rocking idea!

Not sure of your context so maybe you¹ve already tried them but first
thought is I wonder if the academic world might not readily take an
interest and be able to offer that base support? and/or one of the more
well funded NGOs that give basic computer and business skills (separate)
training?

I¹ll be back online properly next week - maybe we could chat?

Jane




Jane Wyngaard, Ph.D
Postdoctoral scholar
Instrument software and science data systems Section (398)

University of Southern California
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory
4800 Oak Grove Drive MS: 158-256D
Pasadena, CA 91109

Phone:  818/354-6237
Email: jane.r.wynga...@jpl.nasa.gov
http://sunset.usc.edu/~jwyngaar/






-Original Message-
From: Frans Badenhorst <endpollut...@gmail.com>
Reply-To: "dev@community.apache.org" <dev@community.apache.org>
Date: Wednesday, 25 May 2016 10:48
To: "dev@community.apache.org" <dev@community.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

>Thank you Chris I will contact Jane Wyngaard and see if ee can get it
>going.  The is no doubt a need here for it.
>
>Kind regards
>
>Frans Badenhorst
>On 22 May 2016 19:45, "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <
>chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
>> Thank Frans. You may want to contact Jane Wyngaard about this.
>> She is my Postdoc, from South Africa, and has been contributing
>> to Apache projects (OODT, Kafka, for example).
>>
>> She also is interested in doing an ApacheCon in SA and sent some
>> email to the dev@community list about that before.
>>
>> ++
>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>> Chief Architect
>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
>> Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov
>> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>> ++
>> Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>> WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
>> ++
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/22/16, 9:59 AM, "Frans Badenhorst" <endpollut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Hi
>> >
>> >In South Africa youth unemployment is as high as 50%.  Many have tried
>>to
>> >even apply for a job, because the education is so poor that they are
>> >effectively unemployable.
>> >
>> >The only option women have who want to make a living for them selves
>>is to
>> >start their own business.  Thousands do.  They run in to all kinds of
>> >problems which is entirely predictable.
>> >
>> >My idea was to start a Apache program that will teach users to use the
>> >system to run their small business.  Talented individuals will be
>>trained
>> >further to do various tasks that match their interests and skills.
>>Some
>> >will concentrate on procurement, marketing, HR and so on and a few will
>> >look at installation, customization and even development of the system.
>> >
>> >I needed to establish a broadband connection ($200 and a mi=onthly fee
>>of
>> >less than $20 to keep it going), plus some PC's workstation and
>>furniture
>> >(desk and chair) totalling ($15 000) and could not get any funding.
>> >Investors here are not interested in start-up businesses,
>> >
>> >I think there is huge potential for women to start all kinds of
>>businesses
>> >in services (catering, clothes making, hair and nail care,etc,) but
>>also
>> in
>> >agriculture (organic fruit, wine and vegetables) and manufacturing
>>(e.g.
>> >arts and crafts) and various health related services and education.
>> >
>> >To succeed in business you need to have a good  (accounting,
>>procurement,
>> >HR and marketing) systems. A till and catalogue, web site  and so on
>>can
>> >all be provided by OfBiz at a very affordable rate. We need help to get
>> >this off the ground.
>> >
>> >If you have any ideas I will really appreciate it.
>> >
>> >
>> >Regards
>> >
>> >
>> >Frans Badenhost
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Frans Badenhorst
>> >
>> >On 19 May 2016 at 17:17, Sharan Foga <sharan.f...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi All
>> >>
>> >> I'm interested in finding out how we could encourage more women to
>> >> participate on Apache projects. It's a discussion topic that came up
>> last
>> >> week while I was at Apachecon. My understanding is that we don't have
>> any
>> >> current strategies in place so I think it could be good to look at
>> >> gathering some ideas about how to tackle the problem and also hear
>>about
>> >> any lessons learned from any previous or similar strategies.
>> >>
>> >> What do people think?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >> Sharan
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>

Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Frans Badenhorst]

Thank you Chris I will contact Jane Wyngaard and see if ee can get it
going.  The is no doubt a need here for it.

Kind regards

Frans Badenhorst
On 22 May 2016 19:45, "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:

> Thank Frans. You may want to contact Jane Wyngaard about this.
> She is my Postdoc, from South Africa, and has been contributing
> to Apache projects (OODT, Kafka, for example).
>
> She also is interested in doing an ApacheCon in SA and sent some
> email to the dev@community list about that before.
>
> ++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Chief Architect
> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov
> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++
> Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
> ++
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 5/22/16, 9:59 AM, "Frans Badenhorst"  wrote:
>
> >Hi
> >
> >In South Africa youth unemployment is as high as 50%.  Many have tried to
> >even apply for a job, because the education is so poor that they are
> >effectively unemployable.
> >
> >The only option women have who want to make a living for them selves is to
> >start their own business.  Thousands do.  They run in to all kinds of
> >problems which is entirely predictable.
> >
> >My idea was to start a Apache program that will teach users to use the
> >system to run their small business.  Talented individuals will be trained
> >further to do various tasks that match their interests and skills.  Some
> >will concentrate on procurement, marketing, HR and so on and a few will
> >look at installation, customization and even development of the system.
> >
> >I needed to establish a broadband connection ($200 and a mi=onthly fee of
> >less than $20 to keep it going), plus some PC's workstation and furniture
> >(desk and chair) totalling ($15 000) and could not get any funding.
> >Investors here are not interested in start-up businesses,
> >
> >I think there is huge potential for women to start all kinds of businesses
> >in services (catering, clothes making, hair and nail care,etc,) but also
> in
> >agriculture (organic fruit, wine and vegetables) and manufacturing (e.g.
> >arts and crafts) and various health related services and education.
> >
> >To succeed in business you need to have a good  (accounting, procurement,
> >HR and marketing) systems. A till and catalogue, web site  and so on can
> >all be provided by OfBiz at a very affordable rate. We need help to get
> >this off the ground.
> >
> >If you have any ideas I will really appreciate it.
> >
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >
> >Frans Badenhost
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Frans Badenhorst
> >
> >On 19 May 2016 at 17:17, Sharan Foga  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi All
> >>
> >> I'm interested in finding out how we could encourage more women to
> >> participate on Apache projects. It's a discussion topic that came up
> last
> >> week while I was at Apachecon. My understanding is that we don't have
> any
> >> current strategies in place so I think it could be good to look at
> >> gathering some ideas about how to tackle the problem and also hear about
> >> any lessons learned from any previous or similar strategies.
> >>
> >> What do people think?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Sharan
> >>
> >>
> >>
>

Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Sharan Foga]

I think that we'll find that there will be some recurring common themes 
whatever under-represented group we want to attract.


I think the hardest thing will be knowing what questions to ask that 
people will want to answer. People may not want to answer things 
(anonymous or not) that they think invades their personal space.


There is a lot of information that we'd like to capture and maybe it 
might be good to start with only 2 or 3 areas e.g gender, ethnicity (and 
that's going to be fun to define!) and maybe age or perhaps profession. 
These may not appear too invasive and it's something people generally 
complete on applications and forms anyway. It would give us some 
concrete information.


I think gathering responses and statistics within the ASF itself could 
range from easy to difficult depending on what level we want to capture 
it at and the willingness of people to participate. So possibly starting 
with the easier area and using the lessons learned to help with the 
harder areas could work as an approach.


If we are really going to look at a putting together some kind of 
survey, then I'd suggest we keep it very short and simple.


Does anyone know if the ASF has access to any survey tools or applications?

Thanks
Sharan



On 22/05/16 23:49, Daniel Gruno wrote:

On 05/22/2016 11:35 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:

Here's a really good suggestion from one of our other lists...

"I wish we could hear from all the women who haven't come to Apache"

(pardon the waffling below...)

I am left wonderingcould we perhaps extend this a bit?

We know there's definitely an issue of women being proportionately
underrepresented in most FLOSS communities - what about other groups
that may be in the same boat, but doesn't have the same visibility here?

Would it make sense to broaden our search a bit and see if we can figure
out if there are other areas that are just as bad (or maybe even worse off)?

There is plenty of data surrounding how the world is made up of
different groups of people, whether it be gender, color, orientations,
faith, mental state etc, but none that I could immediately find on FLOSS
communities - and I can't help wondering if there are other groups just
as underrepresented out there (I could think of a few that might be, but
I have no data whatsoever to support my claims!).

I'm not saying we should start 100 different outreach programs or try to
be the perfect fit for everyone from day one...but it sure would be
interesting to see which groups we actually feel welcoming to, and which
we miss by a mile.

Does any such data on FLOSS communities in general already exist?

I know this may irk some people slightly, trying to open up that big bag
of profiles, but we won't really know if we are inadvertently hostile or
unwelcoming to certain parts of the world's population until we start
asking some questions.

Maybe some sort of survey on the matter? I would naturally prefer a
completely anonymous survey if we chose that route.

With regards,
Daniel.


I'm not crediting because it came from an internal list, but I am repeating it 
as I agree with this excellent suggestion. If there are people in this group 
here please feel free to reach out onlist or, if you feel you want to say 
things better said privately, try Sharan who started the thread (or anyone else 
you feel comfortable mailing with your thoughts).

Ross


-Original Message-
From: Ross Gardler
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 8:39 AM
To: dev@community.apache.org
Subject: RE: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

We do not have current strategies. We've tried many things in the past but
they've never really succeeded. I'll not speculate on why, it's a complex issue.

What I will say (with my Presidents hat firmly on), is that if folks come up
with a strategy that is in line with our charitable mission then please don't
hesitate to ask for any support you need.

Ross


-Original Message-
From: Sharan Foga [mailto:sharan.f...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 8:18 AM
To: dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

Hi All

I'm interested in finding out how we could encourage more women to
participate on Apache projects. It's a discussion topic that came up
last week while I was at Apachecon. My understanding is that we don't
have any current strategies in place so I think it could be good to
look at gathering some ideas about how to tackle the problem and also
hear about any lessons learned from any previous or similar strategies.

What do people think?

Thanks
Sharan

Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Tama oh]

Happy to help 

> On May 23, 2016, at 21:28, Alex Harui  wrote:
> 
> On 5/23/16, 12:18 PM, "tamaonakah...@gmail.com" 
> wrote:
> 
> Snip...
> 
>> Members who receive a great deal of generosity during their growth are
>> likely to pay it forward.
> 
> I found your entire email (most of which I snipped) to be very
> informative.  Thank you for taking the time to write.
> 
> -Alex
> 
> 

Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Tama oh]

You're welcome! 
If there are other groups that come to mind, I'll add them!

Tamao

> On May 24, 2016, at 03:32, Sharan Foga  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tamao
> 
> All I can say is ..Wow!
> 
> Thanks for taking the time to put down your thoughts, observations and 
> general knowledge on this. I'm still taking it all in - but it's clear to me 
> that there are some opportunities out there that we can start looking into.
> 
> Thanks also for the offer of help on the contact side and I'll let you know 
> if I need some.
> 
> Thanks
> Sharan
> 
>> On 23/05/16 21:18, tamaonakah...@gmail.com wrote:
>> My personal approach has been to work with pragmatic career-focused women 
>> (like myself) because it helps to have some singularity of motivation. I 
>> can't solve all of the diversity in tech issues, but I contribute in my own 
>> way by running the SF Women's JUG and partnering with organizations such as 
>> Women who code. So from that perspective, here are my 2 cents fwiw:
>> 1. Career-development angle: personally I would start with organizations 
>> such as Hackbright whose primary goal is to train and put women in the 
>> workforce. As I feel is pretty established among engineering managers and 
>> that Jessica McKellar emphasizes (https://youtu.be/IXnNgLmd6BM), having open 
>> source contributions on your resume definitely helps during the interview 
>> process. I'm sure that this is part of the ASF recruiting language, but I 
>> think it would help to actively inject that into partnership activities with 
>> organizations such as Hackbright. I specifically mention Hackbright as well 
>> because one of our VPs at my last job mentioned that among all of the code 
>> schools hires, he's been most impressed by the quality of Hackbright 
>> graduates (who are women if you didn't know). They've hired 7 Hackbright 
>> women to date with great results.
>> 
>> I reached out to my Hackbright contacts and they've said that they don't 
>> have an open source program in place, but they are pursuing it and would 
>> love to consider partnerships with the ASF. I'd be happy to connect you.
>> 
>> Women who code is also committed to getting women jobs in engineering, but 
>> their meetups tend to have a lot of beginners from my own experience (I've 
>> attended and hosted many). It may be more difficult to inject the 
>> "contribute" message through their meetups, but they are helpful to spread 
>> the word through their NL. Also, in the very least, if there isn't one 
>> already, there should at least be one talk on making contributions at their 
>> new annual conference. If you don't hear back from them, I'm happy to 
>> connect you again.
>> 
>> 2. Focused sprints?
>> PyCon and the Python community in general has better diversity numbers from 
>> what I've seen. I feel that they do a pretty good job at making the sprints 
>> at the event fun and inviting (https://youtu.be/hOtKgFaFcz0) for many. The 
>> next one is coming up (https://us.pycon.org/2016/community/sprints/) so if 
>> any of you are there, it may be worth checking out. They always do an intro 
>> to sprints session (which you can see in the above Jessica McKellar video). 
>> Since you're already talking with PyLadies, you can get more details on how 
>> they and DjangoGirls are involved in recruitment for that.
>> 
>> WWC meetups and Railsbridge immediately introduce their women to Git and 
>> GitHub, but from what I know they are dealing with beginner coders so they 
>> don't talk about contributing to Ruby or Rails.
>> 
>> 3. Featured projects and mentorship
>> I often feel overwhelmed by the myriad of projects that get put forth and 
>> then I'm told "pick one and start contributing!" Personally, if you did some 
>> type of partnered session with Hackbright students or at a 
>> contribution-specific WWC Meetup, I would see value in doing a weekend 
>> sprint where you select a couple of key projects to walk people through the 
>> steps to contribute. One of Hackbright's strengths is their mentoring 
>> structure that continues after graduation. Perhaps having some ASF project 
>> owners to volunteer as mentors specifically to walk a group of new students 
>> through a series of sprints would be one way to go.
>> 
>> 4. Code of Conduct and diversity ownership
>> I'm glad that this thread is here because as Sarah Sharp emphasizes 
>> (https://youtu.be/ZCvK_7FagGE) diversity is everyone's responsibility and so 
>> often the minority is tasked with unpaid/after-hours work to represent a 
>> company's diversity or even build its diversity program. The topic came up 
>> at this year's women in leadership conference (http://www.wilconference.org) 
>> in a very disturbing way as well. We heard a good number of stories of women 
>> (already getting paid less than their male counterparts) being asked to put 
>> in extra unpaid time to go to some recruiting event to be the (female or 
>> female of color) face of the company. It's important to 

Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Kay Schenk]

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Rich Bowen <rbo...@rcbowen.com> wrote:

>
>
> On 05/20/2016 03:02 PM, Pierre Smits wrote:
> > Will the board consider it, is an appropriate question here?
> >
>
> Community development activities have been delegated to the ComDev PMC.
> There's no reason for the board to consider it.
>
>
>
​Pardon my ignorance. I had NO idea that community development was
associated with an actual project complete with a PMC until I saw this
statement.​

​ There's no mention or link to it from the ASF home page from the
Community section, for example. It might be helpful to have some additional
information about the importance of "community" stated there with links to
the Comdev website: http://community.apache.org/,
​

>
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Pierre Smits
> >
> > ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> > OFBiz based solutions & services
> >
> > OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
> > http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
> >
> > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Ross Gardler <
> ross.gard...@microsoft.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> My point is that the Members *are* the foundation. The board are 9 the
> >> Members are 550+
> >>
> >> Ross
> >>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: gch...@gmail.com [mailto:gch...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Greg
> >>> Chase
> >>> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 10:20 AM
> >>> To: dev@community.apache.org
> >>> Subject: Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Ross Gardler
> >>> <ross.gard...@microsoft.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> The board can consider it or the members can do it.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Outreach is only meaningful at the individual and project level, yes.
> >>>
> >>> Measurement, in aggregate, is something the Foundation could do if it
> >> wants
> >>> to make this a central issue.
> >>>
> >>> I don't think I'd even want to drill down the census by project level,
> >> however.
> >>> That would not be beneficial.  Only providing aggregate numbers to
> remind
> >>> people of the importance and benefit of diversity, and stimulate more
> of
> >> the
> >>> meaningful individual and project outreach.
> >>
> >
>
>
> --
> Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
> http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
>
>


-- 
--
MzK

"Time spent with cats is never wasted."
-- Sigmund Freud

Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Sharan Foga]

Hi Tamao

All I can say is ..Wow!

Thanks for taking the time to put down your thoughts, observations and 
general knowledge on this. I'm still taking it all in - but it's clear 
to me that there are some opportunities out there that we can start 
looking into.


Thanks also for the offer of help on the contact side and I'll let you 
know if I need some.


Thanks
Sharan

On 23/05/16 21:18, tamaonakah...@gmail.com wrote:

My personal approach has been to work with pragmatic career-focused women (like 
myself) because it helps to have some singularity of motivation. I can't solve 
all of the diversity in tech issues, but I contribute in my own way by running 
the SF Women's JUG and partnering with organizations such as Women who code. So 
from that perspective, here are my 2 cents fwiw:
1. Career-development angle: personally I would start with organizations such 
as Hackbright whose primary goal is to train and put women in the workforce. As 
I feel is pretty established among engineering managers and that Jessica 
McKellar emphasizes (https://youtu.be/IXnNgLmd6BM), having open source 
contributions on your resume definitely helps during the interview process. I'm 
sure that this is part of the ASF recruiting language, but I think it would 
help to actively inject that into partnership activities with organizations 
such as Hackbright. I specifically mention Hackbright as well because one of 
our VPs at my last job mentioned that among all of the code schools hires, he's 
been most impressed by the quality of Hackbright graduates (who are women if 
you didn't know). They've hired 7 Hackbright women to date with great results.

I reached out to my Hackbright contacts and they've said that they don't have 
an open source program in place, but they are pursuing it and would love to 
consider partnerships with the ASF. I'd be happy to connect you.

Women who code is also committed to getting women jobs in engineering, but their meetups 
tend to have a lot of beginners from my own experience (I've attended and hosted many). 
It may be more difficult to inject the "contribute" message through their 
meetups, but they are helpful to spread the word through their NL. Also, in the very 
least, if there isn't one already, there should at least be one talk on making 
contributions at their new annual conference. If you don't hear back from them, I'm happy 
to connect you again.

2. Focused sprints?
PyCon and the Python community in general has better diversity numbers from 
what I've seen. I feel that they do a pretty good job at making the sprints at 
the event fun and inviting (https://youtu.be/hOtKgFaFcz0) for many. The next 
one is coming up (https://us.pycon.org/2016/community/sprints/) so if any of 
you are there, it may be worth checking out. They always do an intro to sprints 
session (which you can see in the above Jessica McKellar video). Since you're 
already talking with PyLadies, you can get more details on how they and 
DjangoGirls are involved in recruitment for that.

WWC meetups and Railsbridge immediately introduce their women to Git and 
GitHub, but from what I know they are dealing with beginner coders so they 
don't talk about contributing to Ruby or Rails.

3. Featured projects and mentorship
I often feel overwhelmed by the myriad of projects that get put forth and then I'm told 
"pick one and start contributing!" Personally, if you did some type of 
partnered session with Hackbright students or at a contribution-specific WWC Meetup, I 
would see value in doing a weekend sprint where you select a couple of key projects to 
walk people through the steps to contribute. One of Hackbright's strengths is their 
mentoring structure that continues after graduation. Perhaps having some ASF project 
owners to volunteer as mentors specifically to walk a group of new students through a 
series of sprints would be one way to go.

4. Code of Conduct and diversity ownership
I'm glad that this thread is here because as Sarah Sharp emphasizes 
(https://youtu.be/ZCvK_7FagGE) diversity is everyone's responsibility and so 
often the minority is tasked with unpaid/after-hours work to represent a 
company's diversity or even build its diversity program. The topic came up at 
this year's women in leadership conference (http://www.wilconference.org) in a 
very disturbing way as well. We heard a good number of stories of women 
(already getting paid less than their male counterparts) being asked to put in 
extra unpaid time to go to some recruiting event to be the (female or female of 
color) face of the company. It's important to understand this as a shared 
responsibility.

Finally, since I mention Sarah Sharp, let's hope that after all of this 
recruitment that we don't have the same debacle that happened with her, Linus, 
and other foul-mouthed community members (http://m.slashdot.org/story/188877). 
At least from what I've heard from other Linux community members, her work is 
greatly respected and it seems a 

Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Sharan Foga]

Thanks Nick. I do have karma and I've created a basic page that I'll 
continue to add my ideas to and summarise any action points that are in 
progress.


Link is 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Diversity+Strategy+Ideas


Thanks
Sharan

On 23/05/16 23:44, Nick Burch wrote:

On Sun, 22 May 2016, Sharan Foga wrote:
Is it possible for me to get some space (eg a page etc on the Comdev 
wiki) to put together these initial ideas and the action points? I'm 
also thinking of using it to help develop the ideas further and to 
track the actions in progress.


The ComDev wiki is hosted on Confluence at
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Index

If you don't currently have karma for that wiki, let us know your 
cwiki username and one of the ComDev wiki admins, or lurking infra 
folks, can grant you write access!


Nick

Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Alex Harui]

On 5/23/16, 12:18 PM, "tamaonakah...@gmail.com" 
wrote:

Snip...

> Members who receive a great deal of generosity during their growth are
>likely to pay it forward.

I found your entire email (most of which I snipped) to be very
informative.  Thank you for taking the time to write.

-Alex

Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Nick Burch]

On Sun, 22 May 2016, Sharan Foga wrote:
Is it possible for me to get some space (eg a page etc on the Comdev 
wiki) to put together these initial ideas and the action points? I'm 
also thinking of using it to help develop the ideas further and to track 
the actions in progress.


The ComDev wiki is hosted on Confluence at
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Index

If you don't currently have karma for that wiki, let us know your cwiki 
username and one of the ComDev wiki admins, or lurking infra folks, can 
grant you write access!


Nick

Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[tamaonakahara]

My personal approach has been to work with pragmatic career-focused women (like 
myself) because it helps to have some singularity of motivation. I can't solve 
all of the diversity in tech issues, but I contribute in my own way by running 
the SF Women's JUG and partnering with organizations such as Women who code. So 
from that perspective, here are my 2 cents fwiw:
1. Career-development angle: personally I would start with organizations such 
as Hackbright whose primary goal is to train and put women in the workforce. As 
I feel is pretty established among engineering managers and that Jessica 
McKellar emphasizes (https://youtu.be/IXnNgLmd6BM), having open source 
contributions on your resume definitely helps during the interview process. I'm 
sure that this is part of the ASF recruiting language, but I think it would 
help to actively inject that into partnership activities with organizations 
such as Hackbright. I specifically mention Hackbright as well because one of 
our VPs at my last job mentioned that among all of the code schools hires, he's 
been most impressed by the quality of Hackbright graduates (who are women if 
you didn't know). They've hired 7 Hackbright women to date with great results.

I reached out to my Hackbright contacts and they've said that they don't have 
an open source program in place, but they are pursuing it and would love to 
consider partnerships with the ASF. I'd be happy to connect you.

Women who code is also committed to getting women jobs in engineering, but 
their meetups tend to have a lot of beginners from my own experience (I've 
attended and hosted many). It may be more difficult to inject the "contribute" 
message through their meetups, but they are helpful to spread the word through 
their NL. Also, in the very least, if there isn't one already, there should at 
least be one talk on making contributions at their new annual conference. If 
you don't hear back from them, I'm happy to connect you again.

2. Focused sprints?
PyCon and the Python community in general has better diversity numbers from 
what I've seen. I feel that they do a pretty good job at making the sprints at 
the event fun and inviting (https://youtu.be/hOtKgFaFcz0) for many. The next 
one is coming up (https://us.pycon.org/2016/community/sprints/) so if any of 
you are there, it may be worth checking out. They always do an intro to sprints 
session (which you can see in the above Jessica McKellar video). Since you're 
already talking with PyLadies, you can get more details on how they and 
DjangoGirls are involved in recruitment for that. 

WWC meetups and Railsbridge immediately introduce their women to Git and 
GitHub, but from what I know they are dealing with beginner coders so they 
don't talk about contributing to Ruby or Rails.

3. Featured projects and mentorship
I often feel overwhelmed by the myriad of projects that get put forth and then 
I'm told "pick one and start contributing!" Personally, if you did some type of 
partnered session with Hackbright students or at a contribution-specific WWC 
Meetup, I would see value in doing a weekend sprint where you select a couple 
of key projects to walk people through the steps to contribute. One of 
Hackbright's strengths is their mentoring structure that continues after 
graduation. Perhaps having some ASF project owners to volunteer as mentors 
specifically to walk a group of new students through a series of sprints would 
be one way to go.

4. Code of Conduct and diversity ownership
I'm glad that this thread is here because as Sarah Sharp emphasizes 
(https://youtu.be/ZCvK_7FagGE) diversity is everyone's responsibility and so 
often the minority is tasked with unpaid/after-hours work to represent a 
company's diversity or even build its diversity program. The topic came up at 
this year's women in leadership conference (http://www.wilconference.org) in a 
very disturbing way as well. We heard a good number of stories of women 
(already getting paid less than their male counterparts) being asked to put in 
extra unpaid time to go to some recruiting event to be the (female or female of 
color) face of the company. It's important to understand this as a shared 
responsibility.

Finally, since I mention Sarah Sharp, let's hope that after all of this 
recruitment that we don't have the same debacle that happened with her, Linus, 
and other foul-mouthed community members (http://m.slashdot.org/story/188877). 
At least from what I've heard from other Linux community members, her work is 
greatly respected and it seems a loss to the technology that she is no longer 
contributing. Similarly, Rod Johnson made remarks to the Scala community a few 
years ago that it will have challenges growing healthily if they continue their 
trend of showing disrespect in the forums and strongly criticizing people who 
are just getting started with Scala (https://youtu.be/DBu6zmrZ_50). Members who 
receive a great deal of generosity during their growth are 

Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Sharan Foga]

Thanks Alex. It all helps :-)

Thanks
Sharan
On 23 May 2016 18:08, "Alex Harui"  wrote:

> Also, not specific to software: http://leanin.org
>
> HTH,
> -Alex
>
> On 5/23/16, 6:36 AM, "Patricia Shanahan"  wrote:
>
> >Systers, http://anitaborg.org/get-involved/systers/
> >
> >More generally, the Wikipedia article on "Women in Computing",
> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_computing, has some possible
> >resources.
> >
> >On 5/23/2016 3:45 AM, Sharan Foga wrote:
> >> Hi All
> >>
> >> Just a quick update. I've sent out an email to the following groups so
> >>far:
> >>
> >> - Pyladies
> >> - Phpladies
> >> - Women Who Code
> >> - Girls Who Code
> >> - Black Girls Code
> >>
> >> I'll post any feedback I get. Also if anyone thinks of any other groups
> >> they'd like me to contact then please let me know.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Sharan
> >>
> >> On 20/05/16 14:26, Sharan Foga wrote:
> >>> Thanks very much to everyone for their feedback and support.
> >>>
> >>> Rich - I will contact these groups to see what feedback and advice
> >>> they can give.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>> Sharan
> >>>
> >>> On 20/05/16 14:05, Rich Bowen wrote:
>  I would suggest that the most constructive thing we could do would be
> to
>  reach out to pyladies and phpwomen and other similar organizations
>  and ask
>  for recommendations and assistance in setting up a similar entity
> here.
>  On May 19, 2016 11:18, "Sharan Foga"  wrote:
> 
> > Hi All
> >
> > I'm interested in finding out how we could encourage more women to
> > participate on Apache projects. It's a discussion topic that came up
> > last
> > week while I was at Apachecon. My understanding is that we don't
> > have any
> > current strategies in place so I think it could be good to look at
> > gathering some ideas about how to tackle the problem and also hear
> > about
> > any lessons learned from any previous or similar strategies.
> >
> > What do people think?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Sharan
> >
> >
> >
> >>>
> >>
>
>

RE: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Sharan Foga]

Thanks Dennis. Email sent.

Sharan
Sharan,

You might find useful resources and contacts via <http://anitaborg.org/> as
well.

 - Dennis

> -Original Message-
> From: Sharan Foga [mailto:sharan.f...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 03:45
> To: dev@community.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?
>
> Hi All
>
> Just a quick update. I've sent out an email to the following groups so
> far:
>
> - Pyladies
> - Phpladies
> - Women Who Code
> - Girls Who Code
> - Black Girls Code
>
> I'll post any feedback I get. Also if anyone thinks of any other groups
> they'd like me to contact then please let me know.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
> On 20/05/16 14:26, Sharan Foga wrote:
> > Thanks very much to everyone for their feedback and support.
> >
> > Rich - I will contact these groups to see what feedback and advice
> > they can give.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Sharan
> >
> > On 20/05/16 14:05, Rich Bowen wrote:
> >> I would suggest that the most constructive thing we could do would be
> to
> >> reach out to pyladies and phpwomen and other similar organizations
> >> and ask
> >> for recommendations and assistance in setting up a similar entity
> here.
> >> On May 19, 2016 11:18, "Sharan Foga" <sharan.f...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi All
> >>>
> >>> I'm interested in finding out how we could encourage more women to
> >>> participate on Apache projects. It's a discussion topic that came up
> >>> last
> >>> week while I was at Apachecon. My understanding is that we don't
> >>> have any
> >>> current strategies in place so I think it could be good to look at
> >>> gathering some ideas about how to tackle the problem and also hear
> >>> about
> >>> any lessons learned from any previous or similar strategies.
> >>>
> >>> What do people think?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>> Sharan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >

Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Alex Harui]

Also, not specific to software: http://leanin.org

HTH,
-Alex

On 5/23/16, 6:36 AM, "Patricia Shanahan"  wrote:

>Systers, http://anitaborg.org/get-involved/systers/
>
>More generally, the Wikipedia article on "Women in Computing",
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_computing, has some possible
>resources.
>
>On 5/23/2016 3:45 AM, Sharan Foga wrote:
>> Hi All
>>
>> Just a quick update. I've sent out an email to the following groups so
>>far:
>>
>> - Pyladies
>> - Phpladies
>> - Women Who Code
>> - Girls Who Code
>> - Black Girls Code
>>
>> I'll post any feedback I get. Also if anyone thinks of any other groups
>> they'd like me to contact then please let me know.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sharan
>>
>> On 20/05/16 14:26, Sharan Foga wrote:
>>> Thanks very much to everyone for their feedback and support.
>>>
>>> Rich - I will contact these groups to see what feedback and advice
>>> they can give.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Sharan
>>>
>>> On 20/05/16 14:05, Rich Bowen wrote:
 I would suggest that the most constructive thing we could do would be
to
 reach out to pyladies and phpwomen and other similar organizations
 and ask
 for recommendations and assistance in setting up a similar entity
here.
 On May 19, 2016 11:18, "Sharan Foga"  wrote:

> Hi All
>
> I'm interested in finding out how we could encourage more women to
> participate on Apache projects. It's a discussion topic that came up
> last
> week while I was at Apachecon. My understanding is that we don't
> have any
> current strategies in place so I think it could be good to look at
> gathering some ideas about how to tackle the problem and also hear
> about
> any lessons learned from any previous or similar strategies.
>
> What do people think?
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
>
>
>>>
>>

RE: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Sharan,

You might find useful resources and contacts via <http://anitaborg.org/> as 
well.

 - Dennis

> -Original Message-
> From: Sharan Foga [mailto:sharan.f...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 03:45
> To: dev@community.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?
> 
> Hi All
> 
> Just a quick update. I've sent out an email to the following groups so
> far:
> 
> - Pyladies
> - Phpladies
> - Women Who Code
> - Girls Who Code
> - Black Girls Code
> 
> I'll post any feedback I get. Also if anyone thinks of any other groups
> they'd like me to contact then please let me know.
> 
> Thanks
> Sharan
> 
> On 20/05/16 14:26, Sharan Foga wrote:
> > Thanks very much to everyone for their feedback and support.
> >
> > Rich - I will contact these groups to see what feedback and advice
> > they can give.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Sharan
> >
> > On 20/05/16 14:05, Rich Bowen wrote:
> >> I would suggest that the most constructive thing we could do would be
> to
> >> reach out to pyladies and phpwomen and other similar organizations
> >> and ask
> >> for recommendations and assistance in setting up a similar entity
> here.
> >> On May 19, 2016 11:18, "Sharan Foga" <sharan.f...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi All
> >>>
> >>> I'm interested in finding out how we could encourage more women to
> >>> participate on Apache projects. It's a discussion topic that came up
> >>> last
> >>> week while I was at Apachecon. My understanding is that we don't
> >>> have any
> >>> current strategies in place so I think it could be good to look at
> >>> gathering some ideas about how to tackle the problem and also hear
> >>> about
> >>> any lessons learned from any previous or similar strategies.
> >>>
> >>> What do people think?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>> Sharan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >

Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Sharan Foga]

Thanks Patricia. I'll take a look and contact some more groups.

Thanks
Sharan

On 23/05/16 15:36, Patricia Shanahan wrote:

Systers, http://anitaborg.org/get-involved/systers/

More generally, the Wikipedia article on "Women in Computing", 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_computing, has some possible 
resources.


On 5/23/2016 3:45 AM, Sharan Foga wrote:

Hi All

Just a quick update. I've sent out an email to the following groups 
so far:


- Pyladies
- Phpladies
- Women Who Code
- Girls Who Code
- Black Girls Code

I'll post any feedback I get. Also if anyone thinks of any other groups
they'd like me to contact then please let me know.

Thanks
Sharan

On 20/05/16 14:26, Sharan Foga wrote:

Thanks very much to everyone for their feedback and support.

Rich - I will contact these groups to see what feedback and advice
they can give.

Thanks
Sharan

On 20/05/16 14:05, Rich Bowen wrote:
I would suggest that the most constructive thing we could do would 
be to

reach out to pyladies and phpwomen and other similar organizations
and ask
for recommendations and assistance in setting up a similar entity 
here.

On May 19, 2016 11:18, "Sharan Foga"  wrote:


Hi All

I'm interested in finding out how we could encourage more women to
participate on Apache projects. It's a discussion topic that came up
last
week while I was at Apachecon. My understanding is that we don't
have any
current strategies in place so I think it could be good to look at
gathering some ideas about how to tackle the problem and also hear
about
any lessons learned from any previous or similar strategies.

What do people think?

Thanks
Sharan

Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Patricia Shanahan]

Systers, http://anitaborg.org/get-involved/systers/

More generally, the Wikipedia article on "Women in Computing", 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_computing, has some possible 
resources.


On 5/23/2016 3:45 AM, Sharan Foga wrote:

Hi All

Just a quick update. I've sent out an email to the following groups so far:

- Pyladies
- Phpladies
- Women Who Code
- Girls Who Code
- Black Girls Code

I'll post any feedback I get. Also if anyone thinks of any other groups
they'd like me to contact then please let me know.

Thanks
Sharan

On 20/05/16 14:26, Sharan Foga wrote:

Thanks very much to everyone for their feedback and support.

Rich - I will contact these groups to see what feedback and advice
they can give.

Thanks
Sharan

On 20/05/16 14:05, Rich Bowen wrote:

I would suggest that the most constructive thing we could do would be to
reach out to pyladies and phpwomen and other similar organizations
and ask
for recommendations and assistance in setting up a similar entity here.
On May 19, 2016 11:18, "Sharan Foga"  wrote:


Hi All

I'm interested in finding out how we could encourage more women to
participate on Apache projects. It's a discussion topic that came up
last
week while I was at Apachecon. My understanding is that we don't
have any
current strategies in place so I think it could be good to look at
gathering some ideas about how to tackle the problem and also hear
about
any lessons learned from any previous or similar strategies.

What do people think?

Thanks
Sharan

Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[ARIJIT DAS]

those groups are for Girls only?

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Sharan Foga  wrote:

> Hi All
>
> Just a quick update. I've sent out an email to the following groups so far:
>
> - Pyladies
> - Phpladies
> - Women Who Code
> - Girls Who Code
> - Black Girls Code
>
> I'll post any feedback I get. Also if anyone thinks of any other groups
> they'd like me to contact then please let me know.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
>
> On 20/05/16 14:26, Sharan Foga wrote:
>
>> Thanks very much to everyone for their feedback and support.
>>
>> Rich - I will contact these groups to see what feedback and advice they
>> can give.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sharan
>>
>> On 20/05/16 14:05, Rich Bowen wrote:
>>
>>> I would suggest that the most constructive thing we could do would be to
>>> reach out to pyladies and phpwomen and other similar organizations and
>>> ask
>>> for recommendations and assistance in setting up a similar entity here.
>>> On May 19, 2016 11:18, "Sharan Foga"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All

 I'm interested in finding out how we could encourage more women to
 participate on Apache projects. It's a discussion topic that came up
 last
 week while I was at Apachecon. My understanding is that we don't have
 any
 current strategies in place so I think it could be good to look at
 gathering some ideas about how to tackle the problem and also hear about
 any lessons learned from any previous or similar strategies.

 What do people think?

 Thanks
 Sharan




>>
>

Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Sharan Foga]

Hi All

Just a quick update. I've sent out an email to the following groups so far:

- Pyladies
- Phpladies
- Women Who Code
- Girls Who Code
- Black Girls Code

I'll post any feedback I get. Also if anyone thinks of any other groups 
they'd like me to contact then please let me know.


Thanks
Sharan

On 20/05/16 14:26, Sharan Foga wrote:

Thanks very much to everyone for their feedback and support.

Rich - I will contact these groups to see what feedback and advice 
they can give.


Thanks
Sharan

On 20/05/16 14:05, Rich Bowen wrote:

I would suggest that the most constructive thing we could do would be to
reach out to pyladies and phpwomen and other similar organizations 
and ask

for recommendations and assistance in setting up a similar entity here.
On May 19, 2016 11:18, "Sharan Foga"  wrote:


Hi All

I'm interested in finding out how we could encourage more women to
participate on Apache projects. It's a discussion topic that came up 
last
week while I was at Apachecon. My understanding is that we don't 
have any

current strategies in place so I think it could be good to look at
gathering some ideas about how to tackle the problem and also hear 
about

any lessons learned from any previous or similar strategies.

What do people think?

Thanks
Sharan

Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Daniel Gruno]

On 05/22/2016 11:35 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> Here's a really good suggestion from one of our other lists...
> 
> "I wish we could hear from all the women who haven't come to Apache"

(pardon the waffling below...)

I am left wonderingcould we perhaps extend this a bit?

We know there's definitely an issue of women being proportionately
underrepresented in most FLOSS communities - what about other groups
that may be in the same boat, but doesn't have the same visibility here?

Would it make sense to broaden our search a bit and see if we can figure
out if there are other areas that are just as bad (or maybe even worse off)?

There is plenty of data surrounding how the world is made up of
different groups of people, whether it be gender, color, orientations,
faith, mental state etc, but none that I could immediately find on FLOSS
communities - and I can't help wondering if there are other groups just
as underrepresented out there (I could think of a few that might be, but
I have no data whatsoever to support my claims!).

I'm not saying we should start 100 different outreach programs or try to
be the perfect fit for everyone from day one...but it sure would be
interesting to see which groups we actually feel welcoming to, and which
we miss by a mile.

Does any such data on FLOSS communities in general already exist?

I know this may irk some people slightly, trying to open up that big bag
of profiles, but we won't really know if we are inadvertently hostile or
unwelcoming to certain parts of the world's population until we start
asking some questions.

Maybe some sort of survey on the matter? I would naturally prefer a
completely anonymous survey if we chose that route.

With regards,
Daniel.

> 
> I'm not crediting because it came from an internal list, but I am repeating 
> it as I agree with this excellent suggestion. If there are people in this 
> group here please feel free to reach out onlist or, if you feel you want to 
> say things better said privately, try Sharan who started the thread (or 
> anyone else you feel comfortable mailing with your thoughts).
> 
> Ross
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ross Gardler
>> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 8:39 AM
>> To: dev@community.apache.org
>> Subject: RE: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?
>>
>> We do not have current strategies. We've tried many things in the past but
>> they've never really succeeded. I'll not speculate on why, it's a complex 
>> issue.
>>
>> What I will say (with my Presidents hat firmly on), is that if folks come up
>> with a strategy that is in line with our charitable mission then please don't
>> hesitate to ask for any support you need.
>>
>> Ross
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Sharan Foga [mailto:sharan.f...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 8:18 AM
>>> To: dev@community.apache.org
>>> Subject: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?
>>>
>>> Hi All
>>>
>>> I'm interested in finding out how we could encourage more women to
>>> participate on Apache projects. It's a discussion topic that came up
>>> last week while I was at Apachecon. My understanding is that we don't
>>> have any current strategies in place so I think it could be good to
>>> look at gathering some ideas about how to tackle the problem and also
>>> hear about any lessons learned from any previous or similar strategies.
>>>
>>> What do people think?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Sharan
>>>
> 

Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[manirpathan manir]

manirpatha...@gmail.com
On May 20, 2016 6:26 PM, "Sharan Foga"  wrote:

> Thanks very much to everyone for their feedback and support.
>
> Rich - I will contact these groups to see what feedback and advice they
> can give.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
> On 20/05/16 14:05, Rich Bowen wrote:
>
>> I would suggest that the most constructive thing we could do would be to
>> reach out to pyladies and phpwomen and other similar organizations and ask
>> for recommendations and assistance in setting up a similar entity here.
>> On May 19, 2016 11:18, "Sharan Foga"  wrote:
>>
>> Hi All
>>>
>>> I'm interested in finding out how we could encourage more women to
>>> participate on Apache projects. It's a discussion topic that came up last
>>> week while I was at Apachecon. My understanding is that we don't have any
>>> current strategies in place so I think it could be good to look at
>>> gathering some ideas about how to tackle the problem and also hear about
>>> any lessons learned from any previous or similar strategies.
>>>
>>> What do people think?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Sharan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

RE: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Ross Gardler]

Here's a really good suggestion from one of our other lists...

"I wish we could hear from all the women who haven't come to Apache"

I'm not crediting because it came from an internal list, but I am repeating it 
as I agree with this excellent suggestion. If there are people in this group 
here please feel free to reach out onlist or, if you feel you want to say 
things better said privately, try Sharan who started the thread (or anyone else 
you feel comfortable mailing with your thoughts).

Ross

> -Original Message-
> From: Ross Gardler
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 8:39 AM
> To: dev@community.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?
> 
> We do not have current strategies. We've tried many things in the past but
> they've never really succeeded. I'll not speculate on why, it's a complex 
> issue.
> 
> What I will say (with my Presidents hat firmly on), is that if folks come up
> with a strategy that is in line with our charitable mission then please don't
> hesitate to ask for any support you need.
> 
> Ross
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Sharan Foga [mailto:sharan.f...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 8:18 AM
> > To: dev@community.apache.org
> > Subject: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?
> >
> > Hi All
> >
> > I'm interested in finding out how we could encourage more women to
> > participate on Apache projects. It's a discussion topic that came up
> > last week while I was at Apachecon. My understanding is that we don't
> > have any current strategies in place so I think it could be good to
> > look at gathering some ideas about how to tackle the problem and also
> > hear about any lessons learned from any previous or similar strategies.
> >
> > What do people think?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Sharan
> >

Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

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Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Mattmann, Chris A (3980)]

Thank Frans. You may want to contact Jane Wyngaard about this.
She is my Postdoc, from South Africa, and has been contributing
to Apache projects (OODT, Kafka, for example). 

She also is interested in doing an ApacheCon in SA and sent some
email to the dev@community list about that before.

++
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Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov
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++
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University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
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++









On 5/22/16, 9:59 AM, "Frans Badenhorst"  wrote:

>Hi
>
>In South Africa youth unemployment is as high as 50%.  Many have tried to
>even apply for a job, because the education is so poor that they are
>effectively unemployable.
>
>The only option women have who want to make a living for them selves is to
>start their own business.  Thousands do.  They run in to all kinds of
>problems which is entirely predictable.
>
>My idea was to start a Apache program that will teach users to use the
>system to run their small business.  Talented individuals will be trained
>further to do various tasks that match their interests and skills.  Some
>will concentrate on procurement, marketing, HR and so on and a few will
>look at installation, customization and even development of the system.
>
>I needed to establish a broadband connection ($200 and a mi=onthly fee of
>less than $20 to keep it going), plus some PC's workstation and furniture
>(desk and chair) totalling ($15 000) and could not get any funding.
>Investors here are not interested in start-up businesses,
>
>I think there is huge potential for women to start all kinds of businesses
>in services (catering, clothes making, hair and nail care,etc,) but also in
>agriculture (organic fruit, wine and vegetables) and manufacturing (e.g.
>arts and crafts) and various health related services and education.
>
>To succeed in business you need to have a good  (accounting, procurement,
>HR and marketing) systems. A till and catalogue, web site  and so on can
>all be provided by OfBiz at a very affordable rate. We need help to get
>this off the ground.
>
>If you have any ideas I will really appreciate it.
>
>
>Regards
>
>
>Frans Badenhost
>
>
>
>
>Frans Badenhorst
>
>On 19 May 2016 at 17:17, Sharan Foga  wrote:
>
>> Hi All
>>
>> I'm interested in finding out how we could encourage more women to
>> participate on Apache projects. It's a discussion topic that came up last
>> week while I was at Apachecon. My understanding is that we don't have any
>> current strategies in place so I think it could be good to look at
>> gathering some ideas about how to tackle the problem and also hear about
>> any lessons learned from any previous or similar strategies.
>>
>> What do people think?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sharan
>>
>>
>>

RE: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Ross Gardler]

Apache is about producing OSS. So as described here this is not a good fit for 
our charitable mission. But there are ways our communities might help.



For example,  take a look at Fineract (incubating) (added here). This is a 
project originally created by the Mifos Foundation. Mifos continues to focus on 
helping organizations setup financial vehicles which in turn help in the kind 
of circumstances you describe.



Within this community you will find plenty of people who have experience of 
these kinds of issues and solutions that do/do not work.



Ross



Sent from my Windows 10 phone



From: Frans Badenhorst<mailto:endpollut...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 9:59 AM
To: dev@community.apache.org<mailto:dev@community.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?



r
Hi

In South Africa youth unemployment is as high as 50%.  Many have tried to
even apply for a job, because the education is so poor that they are
effectively unemployable.

The only option women have who want to make a living for them selves is to
start their own business.  Thousands do.  They run in to all kinds of
problems which is entirely predictable.

My idea was to start a Apache program that will teach users to use the
system to run their small business.  Talented individuals will be trained
further to do various tasks that match their interests and skills.  Some
will concentrate on procurement, marketing, HR and so on and a few will
look at installation, customization and even development of the system.

I needed to establish a broadband connection ($200 and a mi=onthly fee of
less than $20 to keep it going), plus some PC's workstation and furniture
(desk and chair) totalling ($15 000) and could not get any funding.
Investors here are not interested in start-up businesses,

I think there is huge potential for women to start all kinds of businesses
in services (catering, clothes making, hair and nail care,etc,) but also in
agriculture (organic fruit, wine and vegetables) and manufacturing (e.g.
arts and crafts) and various health related services and education.

To succeed in business you need to have a good  (accounting, procurement,
HR and marketing) systems. A till and catalogue, web site  and so on can
all be provided by OfBiz at a very affordable rate. We need help to get
this off the ground.

If you have any ideas I will really appreciate it.


Regards


Frans Badenhost




Frans Badenhorst

On 19 May 2016 at 17:17, Sharan Foga <sharan.f...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All
>
> I'm interested in finding out how we could encourage more women to
> participate on Apache projects. It's a discussion topic that came up last
> week while I was at Apachecon. My understanding is that we don't have any
> current strategies in place so I think it could be good to look at
> gathering some ideas about how to tackle the problem and also hear about
> any lessons learned from any previous or similar strategies.
>
> What do people think?
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
>
>

Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Frans Badenhorst]

Hi

In South Africa youth unemployment is as high as 50%.  Many have tried to
even apply for a job, because the education is so poor that they are
effectively unemployable.

The only option women have who want to make a living for them selves is to
start their own business.  Thousands do.  They run in to all kinds of
problems which is entirely predictable.

My idea was to start a Apache program that will teach users to use the
system to run their small business.  Talented individuals will be trained
further to do various tasks that match their interests and skills.  Some
will concentrate on procurement, marketing, HR and so on and a few will
look at installation, customization and even development of the system.

I needed to establish a broadband connection ($200 and a mi=onthly fee of
less than $20 to keep it going), plus some PC's workstation and furniture
(desk and chair) totalling ($15 000) and could not get any funding.
Investors here are not interested in start-up businesses,

I think there is huge potential for women to start all kinds of businesses
in services (catering, clothes making, hair and nail care,etc,) but also in
agriculture (organic fruit, wine and vegetables) and manufacturing (e.g.
arts and crafts) and various health related services and education.

To succeed in business you need to have a good  (accounting, procurement,
HR and marketing) systems. A till and catalogue, web site  and so on can
all be provided by OfBiz at a very affordable rate. We need help to get
this off the ground.

If you have any ideas I will really appreciate it.


Regards


Frans Badenhost




Frans Badenhorst

On 19 May 2016 at 17:17, Sharan Foga  wrote:

> Hi All
>
> I'm interested in finding out how we could encourage more women to
> participate on Apache projects. It's a discussion topic that came up last
> week while I was at Apachecon. My understanding is that we don't have any
> current strategies in place so I think it could be good to look at
> gathering some ideas about how to tackle the problem and also hear about
> any lessons learned from any previous or similar strategies.
>
> What do people think?
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
>
>

Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Sharan Foga]

Thanks everyone for the feedback.

Is it possible for me to get some space (eg a page etc on the Comdev 
wiki) to put together these initial ideas and the action points? I'm 
also thinking of using it to help develop the ideas further and to track 
the actions in progress.


Thanks
Sharan

On 19/05/16 17:38, Ross Gardler wrote:

We do not have current strategies. We've tried many things in the past but 
they've never really succeeded. I'll not speculate on why, it's a complex issue.

What I will say (with my Presidents hat firmly on), is that if folks come up 
with a strategy that is in line with our charitable mission then please don't 
hesitate to ask for any support you need.

Ross


-Original Message-
From: Sharan Foga [mailto:sharan.f...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 8:18 AM
To: dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

Hi All

I'm interested in finding out how we could encourage more women to
participate on Apache projects. It's a discussion topic that came up last week
while I was at Apachecon. My understanding is that we don't have any current
strategies in place so I think it could be good to look at gathering some ideas
about how to tackle the problem and also hear about any lessons learned from
any previous or similar strategies.

What do people think?

Thanks
Sharan

Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Shane Curcuru]

Rich Bowen wrote on 5/20/16 3:34 PM:
> 
> 
> On 05/20/2016 03:02 PM, Pierre Smits wrote:
>> Will the board consider it, is an appropriate question here?
>>
> 
> Community development activities have been delegated to the ComDev PMC.
> There's no reason for the board to consider it.

This is a really important point that's often misunderstood about how
the ASF and our many Apache projects work.

- Things get done here because some individual does them.  So when we
(in the general case) see other support for our general idea, the next
step is to propose - or submit a patch! - some *specific* changes or
improvements to review and publish.  In particular a really easy place
to start is proposing a new URL/page on the ComDev website to serve as a
landing page for this question, with a brief intro.  There are plenty of
ComDev committers available to ensure website patches get applied.

- The ASF as a *Foundation* generally does far less than you think.  The
ASF is not an advocacy organization, we focus specifically on just
providing services and mentoring that Apache projects ask for to get
their job done of providing software for the public good.

The ASF delegates both responsibility and limited authority to a number
of PMCs (like ComDev) and officers of the corporation (like
President/EVP).  So taking action on positive welcoming programs here is
a thing the ComDev PMC should do (IMO), but is not something the board
is typically going to work on directly.  Similarly, individual Apache
projects are welcome to work on list (like CouchDB does) in their own
communities.

My guess as to the best approach is:

- Propose a landing page/resources page to collect the information
people on this topic are gathering.

- Work together to present this in a helpful and organized manner.

- Volunteer to go out to projects you're involved in and suggest
adopting these ideas, or even just having a project navigation link back
to this comdev page.

- Shane

> 
> 
> 
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Pierre Smits
>>
>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
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>>
>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Ross Gardler <ross.gard...@microsoft.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My point is that the Members *are* the foundation. The board are 9 the
>>> Members are 550+
>>>
>>> Ross
>>>
>>>> -Original Message-----
>>>> From: gch...@gmail.com [mailto:gch...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Greg
>>>> Chase
>>>> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 10:20 AM
>>>> To: dev@community.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Ross Gardler
>>>> <ross.gard...@microsoft.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The board can consider it or the members can do it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Outreach is only meaningful at the individual and project level, yes.
>>>>
>>>> Measurement, in aggregate, is something the Foundation could do if it
>>> wants
>>>> to make this a central issue.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think I'd even want to drill down the census by project level,
>>> however.
>>>> That would not be beneficial.  Only providing aggregate numbers to remind
>>>> people of the importance and benefit of diversity, and stimulate more of
>>> the
>>>> meaningful individual and project outreach.
>>>
>>
> 
> 

Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Rich Bowen]

On 05/20/2016 03:02 PM, Pierre Smits wrote:
> Will the board consider it, is an appropriate question here?
> 

Community development activities have been delegated to the ComDev PMC.
There's no reason for the board to consider it.



> Best regards,
> 
> Pierre Smits
> 
> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> OFBiz based solutions & services
> 
> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
> 
> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Ross Gardler <ross.gard...@microsoft.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> My point is that the Members *are* the foundation. The board are 9 the
>> Members are 550+
>>
>> Ross
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: gch...@gmail.com [mailto:gch...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Greg
>>> Chase
>>> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 10:20 AM
>>> To: dev@community.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Ross Gardler
>>> <ross.gard...@microsoft.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The board can consider it or the members can do it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Outreach is only meaningful at the individual and project level, yes.
>>>
>>> Measurement, in aggregate, is something the Foundation could do if it
>> wants
>>> to make this a central issue.
>>>
>>> I don't think I'd even want to drill down the census by project level,
>> however.
>>> That would not be beneficial.  Only providing aggregate numbers to remind
>>> people of the importance and benefit of diversity, and stimulate more of
>> the
>>> meaningful individual and project outreach.
>>
> 


-- 
Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon



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RE: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Ross Gardler]

A better question is do you have reason to believe the board will object and if 
they do will you as a member be satisfied?

Speaking as a member I would support such an activity. Unfortunately I don't 
have the time to deliver on it, but I'd certainly spend time learning from it.

Ross

> -Original Message-
> From: Pierre Smits [mailto:pierre.sm...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:02 PM
> To: dev@community.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?
> 
> Will the board consider it, is an appropriate question here?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Pierre Smits
> 
> ORRTIZ.COM
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> rrtiz.com=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7ccd4754e6d3
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> ata=O12O2Zvtkep48aG5po%2fVnqww0QSkPfcGvi2Csvi3%2bqI%3d>
> OFBiz based solutions & services
> 
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> zci.net%2foci-
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> XYd1BwmJPEDKWucapSE6OnSLigX0z0ugqAe7ZXK9qac%3d
> 
> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Ross Gardler
> <ross.gard...@microsoft.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > My point is that the Members *are* the foundation. The board are 9 the
> > Members are 550+
> >
> > Ross
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: gch...@gmail.com [mailto:gch...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Greg
> > > Chase
> > > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 10:20 AM
> > > To: dev@community.apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?
> > >
> > > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Ross Gardler
> > > <ross.gard...@microsoft.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > The board can consider it or the members can do it.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Outreach is only meaningful at the individual and project level, yes.
> > >
> > > Measurement, in aggregate, is something the Foundation could do if
> > > it
> > wants
> > > to make this a central issue.
> > >
> > > I don't think I'd even want to drill down the census by project
> > > level,
> > however.
> > > That would not be beneficial.  Only providing aggregate numbers to
> > > remind people of the importance and benefit of diversity, and
> > > stimulate more of
> > the
> > > meaningful individual and project outreach.
> >

Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Pierre Smits]

Will the board consider it, is an appropriate question here?

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
OFBiz based solutions & services

OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Ross Gardler <ross.gard...@microsoft.com>
wrote:

> My point is that the Members *are* the foundation. The board are 9 the
> Members are 550+
>
> Ross
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: gch...@gmail.com [mailto:gch...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Greg
> > Chase
> > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 10:20 AM
> > To: dev@community.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?
> >
> > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Ross Gardler
> > <ross.gard...@microsoft.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The board can consider it or the members can do it.
> > >
> >
> > Outreach is only meaningful at the individual and project level, yes.
> >
> > Measurement, in aggregate, is something the Foundation could do if it
> wants
> > to make this a central issue.
> >
> > I don't think I'd even want to drill down the census by project level,
> however.
> > That would not be beneficial.  Only providing aggregate numbers to remind
> > people of the importance and benefit of diversity, and stimulate more of
> the
> > meaningful individual and project outreach.
>

RE: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Ross Gardler]

My point is that the Members *are* the foundation. The board are 9 the Members 
are 550+

Ross

> -Original Message-
> From: gch...@gmail.com [mailto:gch...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Greg
> Chase
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 10:20 AM
> To: dev@community.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?
> 
> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Ross Gardler
> <ross.gard...@microsoft.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > The board can consider it or the members can do it.
> >
> 
> Outreach is only meaningful at the individual and project level, yes.
> 
> Measurement, in aggregate, is something the Foundation could do if it wants
> to make this a central issue.
> 
> I don't think I'd even want to drill down the census by project level, 
> however.
> That would not be beneficial.  Only providing aggregate numbers to remind
> people of the importance and benefit of diversity, and stimulate more of the
> meaningful individual and project outreach.

Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Greg Chase]

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Ross Gardler 
wrote:

> The board can consider it or the members can do it.
>

Outreach is only meaningful at the individual and project level, yes.

Measurement, in aggregate, is something the Foundation could do if it wants
to make this a central issue.

I don't think I'd even want to drill down the census by project level,
however.  That would not be beneficial.  Only providing aggregate numbers
to remind people of the importance and benefit of diversity, and stimulate
more of the meaningful individual and project outreach.

RE: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Ross Gardler]

The board can consider it or the members can do it.

> -Original Message-
> From: gch...@gmail.com [mailto:gch...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Greg
> Chase
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 8:28 AM
> To: dev@community.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?
> 
> I will admit to not having thought much about this topic until reading this
> email thread.
> 
> If we could consider ApacheCon Vancouver to be a sample, then it would
> seem that "yes" there is a much higher ratio of men to women participating
> in our events at least.
> 
> If the organization and the board want to start considering this issue, then
> measurements and baselines are a first step.
> 
> Many companies, such as Pivotal, the one I work for, are trying to improve
> their diversity in the public way.  Here's an example of our diversity numbers
> that we just released:
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fblog.piv
> otal.io%2fpivotal%2fnews%2fpivotal-releases-diversity-data-for-the-first-
> time=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7c19bf7a5936b044
> c1f06e08d380c35ec4%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1=7
> b8YZIlosrlvdQvk9l%2b0xD1JHDAaKF%2fTAaZNPm3Wc10%3d
> 
> The board could consider taking a census of participants in Apache: Board &
> Officers, members, committers, contributors, and then releasing these
> aggregate numbers on an annual basis.
> 
> This itself would be quite notable in the open source software world.
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 8:18 AM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > On 5/20/16, 5:26 AM, "Sharan Foga" <sharan.f...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>Hi All
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm interested in finding out how we could encourage more women to
> > >>>participate on Apache projects. It's a discussion topic that came
> > >>>up last  week while I was at Apachecon. My understanding is that we
> > >>>don't have any  current strategies in place so I think it could be
> > >>>good to look at  gathering some ideas about how to tackle the
> > >>>problem and also hear about  any lessons learned from any previous
> > >>>or similar strategies.
> >
> > FWIW, I know they are gearing up to host a "Girls Who Code" series at
> > the place I work this summer.  Since I am not female, I do not have an
> > easy way to influence whether Open Source or Apache is discussed
> > during that series.  Last year I tried to recruit two of the young
> > ladies who happened to use the same public transportation I do, but
> > was unsuccessful.  Maybe a better organized promotion from some female
> > volunteers at Apache could have better results.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Alex
> >
> >

Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Sharan Foga]

Thanks Alex.

I will put Girls Who Code on my list of groups to contact and see what 
feedback I get.


Where I am in the Czech Republic, I've seen that they have recently 
launched a similar program called 'Czechitas', so it seems that there 
are a few organisations out there that we can talk to to get some advice 
or maybe create some links to.


Thanks
Sharan

On 20/05/16 17:18, Alex Harui wrote:


On 5/20/16, 5:26 AM, "Sharan Foga"  wrote:

Hi All

I'm interested in finding out how we could encourage more women to
participate on Apache projects. It's a discussion topic that came up
last
week while I was at Apachecon. My understanding is that we don't have
any
current strategies in place so I think it could be good to look at
gathering some ideas about how to tackle the problem and also hear
about
any lessons learned from any previous or similar strategies.

FWIW, I know they are gearing up to host a "Girls Who Code" series at the
place I work this summer.  Since I am not female, I do not have an easy
way to influence whether Open Source or Apache is discussed during that
series.  Last year I tried to recruit two of the young ladies who happened
to use the same public transportation I do, but was unsuccessful.  Maybe a
better organized promotion from some female volunteers at Apache could
have better results.

Thanks,
-Alex

Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Greg Chase]

I will admit to not having thought much about this topic until reading this
email thread.

If we could consider ApacheCon Vancouver to be a sample, then it would seem
that "yes" there is a much higher ratio of men to women participating in
our events at least.

If the organization and the board want to start considering this issue,
then measurements and baselines are a first step.

Many companies, such as Pivotal, the one I work for, are trying to improve
their diversity in the public way.  Here's an example of our diversity
numbers that we just released:
https://blog.pivotal.io/pivotal/news/pivotal-releases-diversity-data-for-the-first-time

The board could consider taking a census of participants in Apache: Board &
Officers, members, committers, contributors, and then releasing these
aggregate numbers on an annual basis.

This itself would be quite notable in the open source software world.



On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 8:18 AM, Alex Harui  wrote:

>
>
> On 5/20/16, 5:26 AM, "Sharan Foga"  wrote:
> >>>Hi All
> >>>
> >>> I'm interested in finding out how we could encourage more women to
> >>> participate on Apache projects. It's a discussion topic that came up
> >>>last
> >>> week while I was at Apachecon. My understanding is that we don't have
> >>>any
> >>> current strategies in place so I think it could be good to look at
> >>> gathering some ideas about how to tackle the problem and also hear
> >>>about
> >>> any lessons learned from any previous or similar strategies.
>
> FWIW, I know they are gearing up to host a "Girls Who Code" series at the
> place I work this summer.  Since I am not female, I do not have an easy
> way to influence whether Open Source or Apache is discussed during that
> series.  Last year I tried to recruit two of the young ladies who happened
> to use the same public transportation I do, but was unsuccessful.  Maybe a
> better organized promotion from some female volunteers at Apache could
> have better results.
>
> Thanks,
> -Alex
>
>

Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Alex Harui]

On 5/20/16, 5:26 AM, "Sharan Foga"  wrote:
>>>Hi All
>>>
>>> I'm interested in finding out how we could encourage more women to
>>> participate on Apache projects. It's a discussion topic that came up
>>>last
>>> week while I was at Apachecon. My understanding is that we don't have
>>>any
>>> current strategies in place so I think it could be good to look at
>>> gathering some ideas about how to tackle the problem and also hear
>>>about
>>> any lessons learned from any previous or similar strategies.

FWIW, I know they are gearing up to host a "Girls Who Code" series at the
place I work this summer.  Since I am not female, I do not have an easy
way to influence whether Open Source or Apache is discussed during that
series.  Last year I tried to recruit two of the young ladies who happened
to use the same public transportation I do, but was unsuccessful.  Maybe a
better organized promotion from some female volunteers at Apache could
have better results.

Thanks,
-Alex

Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Sharan Foga]

Thanks very much to everyone for their feedback and support.

Rich - I will contact these groups to see what feedback and advice they 
can give.


Thanks
Sharan

On 20/05/16 14:05, Rich Bowen wrote:

I would suggest that the most constructive thing we could do would be to
reach out to pyladies and phpwomen and other similar organizations and ask
for recommendations and assistance in setting up a similar entity here.
On May 19, 2016 11:18, "Sharan Foga"  wrote:


Hi All

I'm interested in finding out how we could encourage more women to
participate on Apache projects. It's a discussion topic that came up last
week while I was at Apachecon. My understanding is that we don't have any
current strategies in place so I think it could be good to look at
gathering some ideas about how to tackle the problem and also hear about
any lessons learned from any previous or similar strategies.

What do people think?

Thanks
Sharan

Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Rich Bowen]

I would suggest that the most constructive thing we could do would be to
reach out to pyladies and phpwomen and other similar organizations and ask
for recommendations and assistance in setting up a similar entity here.
On May 19, 2016 11:18, "Sharan Foga"  wrote:

> Hi All
>
> I'm interested in finding out how we could encourage more women to
> participate on Apache projects. It's a discussion topic that came up last
> week while I was at Apachecon. My understanding is that we don't have any
> current strategies in place so I think it could be good to look at
> gathering some ideas about how to tackle the problem and also hear about
> any lessons learned from any previous or similar strategies.
>
> What do people think?
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
>
>

Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Marvin Humphrey]

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Sharan Foga  wrote:
> Hi All
>
> I'm interested in finding out how we could encourage more women to
> participate on Apache projects. It's a discussion topic that came up last
> week while I was at Apachecon. My understanding is that we don't have any
> current strategies in place so I think it could be good to look at gathering
> some ideas about how to tackle the problem and also hear about any lessons
> learned from any previous or similar strategies.
>
> What do people think?

One thing that individual projects can do is affirm the ASF Code of
Conduct on their websites.

  http://couchdb.apache.org/#contribute
  https://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/conduct

I'd suggest that anybody who feels like scratching this itch JFDI,
using the CouchDB language as a template. Don't ask permission first
and don't sweat the wording, just update the website -- because the
Code of Conduct already applies across all Apache projects. If people
feel like iterating on the wording later, that's fine -- but get
something up there to start with.

And then, once it's up, it would be great to hear back on this list about it. :)

Marvin Humphrey

RE: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?

[Ross Gardler]

We do not have current strategies. We've tried many things in the past but 
they've never really succeeded. I'll not speculate on why, it's a complex issue.

What I will say (with my Presidents hat firmly on), is that if folks come up 
with a strategy that is in line with our charitable mission then please don't 
hesitate to ask for any support you need.

Ross

> -Original Message-
> From: Sharan Foga [mailto:sharan.f...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 8:18 AM
> To: dev@community.apache.org
> Subject: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?
> 
> Hi All
> 
> I'm interested in finding out how we could encourage more women to
> participate on Apache projects. It's a discussion topic that came up last week
> while I was at Apachecon. My understanding is that we don't have any current
> strategies in place so I think it could be good to look at gathering some 
> ideas
> about how to tackle the problem and also hear about any lessons learned from
> any previous or similar strategies.
> 
> What do people think?
> 
> Thanks
> Sharan
>