Re: Karaf 3,4 plans?
Hi, I think this discussion shows that karaf needs an actual release and maintenance plan. Don't forget we still have 2.3.x and 2.x branch used and developed. 2.4 will be an OSGi r5 release too. Well, that's really confusing. ;-) Regards Benjamin On 19. Juni 2014 21:24:53 MESZ, Jean-Baptiste Onofré j...@nanthrax.net wrote: Hi Scott, to be clear, this is the current situation: Karaf 3.0.1 (latest release): Felix 4.2.1/Equinox 3.8.2, OSGi r4.3 (and partial r5 support) Karaf 3.0.2 (next release, planned in a couple of weeks): Felix 4.4.0/Equinox 3.9.1, OSGi r5 Karaf 4.0.0 (future): Felix 4.4.0/Equinox 3.9.1, OSGi r5 Regards JB On 06/19/2014 08:27 PM, Scott Lewis wrote: On 6/19/2014 1:59 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: Yes, it is but not yet released (it will be included in 3.0.2). I talked about the current version in 3.0.1 (latest release). I'm a little confused about framework versions and Karaf version. Is the conclusion that 3.0.1 (latest release) does not have the Felix version that supports OSGi R5? But some version of Felix that supports R5 will be included in Karaf 3.0.2? If that's right: 1) When is Karaf 3.0.2 to be expected? 2) Which version of Felix will be included in 3.0.2? Thanksinadvance, Scott -- Jean-Baptiste Onofré jbono...@apache.org http://blog.nanthrax.net Talend - http://www.talend.com -- Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail gesendet.
Re: Karaf 3,4 plans?
2014-06-20 11:01 GMT+02:00 Jean-Baptiste Onofré j...@nanthrax.net: Hi Benjamin, If you follow the discussion on the dev mailing list, I think the release plan is well defined. More over on the website you have the dependency matrix. We maintain two maintenance release branches: 1/ 2.3.x is previous maintenance release 2/ 3.0.x is current maintenance release 3/ 4.0.0 is future (where we do the refactoring, etc, it would not be released before September). 4/ 2.x (2.4.x) is transition branch between 2.3.x and 3.0.x. Not sure it would make much sense to release it now (I would encourage users to jump from 2.3.x to 3.0.x). So no plan for now about a release. That's why I didn't talk about 2.4 in my previous e-mail. Well, I actually need this release asap. Users can quite safely migrate from 2.3.x to 2.4.x, but switching to 3.0.x is a much bigger change with lots of incompatibilites. So users in need for OSGi r5 would really benefit from it. I'm planning for a 2.4.0 release as soon as the snapshot dependencies can be resolved. I will add a page on the website to add this plan: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KARAF-3060 I will do that in a couple of minutes. Regards JB On 06/20/2014 10:37 AM, Benjamin Graf wrote: Hi, I think this discussion shows that karaf needs an actual release and maintenance plan. Don't forget we still have 2.3.x and 2.x branch used and developed. 2.4 will be an OSGi r5 release too. Well, that's really confusing. ;-) Regards Benjamin On 19. Juni 2014 21:24:53 MESZ, Jean-Baptiste Onofré j...@nanthrax.net wrote: Hi Scott, to be clear, this is the current situation: Karaf 3.0.1 (latest release): Felix 4.2.1/Equinox 3.8.2, OSGi r4.3 (and partial r5 support) Karaf 3.0.2 (next release, planned in a couple of weeks): Felix 4.4.0/Equinox 3.9.1, OSGi r5 Karaf 4.0.0 (future): Felix 4.4.0/Equinox 3.9.1, OSGi r5 Regards JB On 06/19/2014 08:27 PM, Scott Lewis wrote: On 6/19/2014 1:59 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: Yes, it is but not yet released (it will be included in 3.0.2). I talked about the current version in 3.0.1 (latest release). I'm a little confused about framework versions and Karaf version. Is the conclusion that 3.0.1 (latest release) does not have the Felix version that supports OSGi R5? But some version of Felix that supports R5 will be included in Karaf 3.0.2? If that's right: 1) When is Karaf 3.0.2 to be expected? 2) Which version of Felix will be included in 3.0.2? Thanksinadvance, Scott -- Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail gesendet. -- Jean-Baptiste Onofré jbono...@apache.org http://blog.nanthrax.net Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: Karaf 3,4 plans?
Hi Guillaume, I have no problem to release 2.4.0, but it means that we have to release some dependency projects (aries especially) quickly. Let me help on that. Regards JB On 06/20/2014 02:07 PM, Guillaume Nodet wrote: 2014-06-20 11:01 GMT+02:00 Jean-Baptiste Onofré j...@nanthrax.net: Hi Benjamin, If you follow the discussion on the dev mailing list, I think the release plan is well defined. More over on the website you have the dependency matrix. We maintain two maintenance release branches: 1/ 2.3.x is previous maintenance release 2/ 3.0.x is current maintenance release 3/ 4.0.0 is future (where we do the refactoring, etc, it would not be released before September). 4/ 2.x (2.4.x) is transition branch between 2.3.x and 3.0.x. Not sure it would make much sense to release it now (I would encourage users to jump from 2.3.x to 3.0.x). So no plan for now about a release. That's why I didn't talk about 2.4 in my previous e-mail. Well, I actually need this release asap. Users can quite safely migrate from 2.3.x to 2.4.x, but switching to 3.0.x is a much bigger change with lots of incompatibilites. So users in need for OSGi r5 would really benefit from it. I'm planning for a 2.4.0 release as soon as the snapshot dependencies can be resolved. I will add a page on the website to add this plan: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KARAF-3060 I will do that in a couple of minutes. Regards JB On 06/20/2014 10:37 AM, Benjamin Graf wrote: Hi, I think this discussion shows that karaf needs an actual release and maintenance plan. Don't forget we still have 2.3.x and 2.x branch used and developed. 2.4 will be an OSGi r5 release too. Well, that's really confusing. ;-) Regards Benjamin On 19. Juni 2014 21:24:53 MESZ, Jean-Baptiste Onofré j...@nanthrax.net wrote: Hi Scott, to be clear, this is the current situation: Karaf 3.0.1 (latest release): Felix 4.2.1/Equinox 3.8.2, OSGi r4.3 (and partial r5 support) Karaf 3.0.2 (next release, planned in a couple of weeks): Felix 4.4.0/Equinox 3.9.1, OSGi r5 Karaf 4.0.0 (future): Felix 4.4.0/Equinox 3.9.1, OSGi r5 Regards JB On 06/19/2014 08:27 PM, Scott Lewis wrote: On 6/19/2014 1:59 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: Yes, it is but not yet released (it will be included in 3.0.2). I talked about the current version in 3.0.1 (latest release). I'm a little confused about framework versions and Karaf version. Is the conclusion that 3.0.1 (latest release) does not have the Felix version that supports OSGi R5? But some version of Felix that supports R5 will be included in Karaf 3.0.2? If that's right: 1) When is Karaf 3.0.2 to be expected? 2) Which version of Felix will be included in 3.0.2? Thanksinadvance, Scott -- Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail gesendet. -- Jean-Baptiste Onofré jbono...@apache.org http://blog.nanthrax.net Talend - http://www.talend.com -- Jean-Baptiste Onofré jbono...@apache.org http://blog.nanthrax.net Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: Karaf 3,4 plans?
On 6/20/2014 2:01 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: Hi Benjamin, If you follow the discussion on the dev mailing list, I think the release plan is well defined. FWIW, it would be helpful to translate the release plan to the roadmap: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KARAF/Roadmap There is lots of traffic on this mailing list that naturally has no connection to the release plans, and at least some of us cannot monitor the mailing list closely at all times. More over on the website you have the dependency matrix. That's great. Perhaps a link to it on the Roadmap would help. Scott
Re: Karaf 3,4 plans?
Hi Scott, I removed the link to this wiki page (on the website), because I don't like it. It's no more up to date an limited. On the other hand, I added: http://karaf.apache.org/index/community/releases-schedule.html Regards JB On 06/20/2014 08:05 PM, Scott Lewis wrote: On 6/20/2014 2:01 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: Hi Benjamin, If you follow the discussion on the dev mailing list, I think the release plan is well defined. FWIW, it would be helpful to translate the release plan to the roadmap: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KARAF/Roadmap There is lots of traffic on this mailing list that naturally has no connection to the release plans, and at least some of us cannot monitor the mailing list closely at all times. More over on the website you have the dependency matrix. That's great. Perhaps a link to it on the Roadmap would help. Scott -- Jean-Baptiste Onofré jbono...@apache.org http://blog.nanthrax.net Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: Karaf 3,4 plans?
Just to clarify even the 3.0.x branch is one r5 yet (since KARAF-2860). :-) Regards Benjamin On 18.06.2014 20:06, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: It sounds good to me. Regards JB On 06/18/2014 08:02 PM, Guillaume Nodet wrote: I'd like to have a release or karaf 2.4 and a 4.0 beta during july. I think we should aim for a 4.0 soon in september maybe. 2014-06-18 19:45 GMT+02:00 Jean-Baptiste Onofré j...@nanthrax.net: Hi Scott, Karaf 3 uses: - Felix Framework 4.2.1 - Equinox 3.8.2 So it means full OSGi r4.3 support, and partial r5 support. I upgraded Karaf 4 to use Felix Framework 4.4.0 and Equinox 3.9.1, providing a full OSGi r5 support. In term of release plan, I schedule Karaf 3.0.2 at least for end of next week (we need some update of transitive projects for full Java8 support). No plan for Karaf 4 for now. I would propose to prepare to r5 framework update for Karaf 3.0.3 (or maybe on a 3.1.x branch, it would be better). Regards JB On 06/18/2014 06:47 PM, Scott Lewis wrote: Hi Folks, I'm working on producing karaf features for ECF's upcoming Luna release (next week), and I'm wondering: should I target Karaf 3.0.1 or Karaf 4? I've seen discussion of Karaf 4 on this mailing list, but I couldn't find details of it on the karaf roadmap [1]. e.g. which OSGi framework version is going to be supported in 4 (i.e. which versions of Felix or Equinox are going to be used), as well as other new/added/changed features in karaf itself. It would also be nice to know some general release plans/schedule for 3.X and 4...if it's available. If possible, I would prefer to target both current and upcoming releases of karaf for the ECF R5 OSGi Remote Services impl being released June 25 [2], but there are some spec-imposed dependencies on framework versions (wiring API, etc), so it's helpful to know what the karaf 4 dependencies are going to be. Thanksinadvance for any info or plans pointers, Scott [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KARAF/Roadmap [2] https://wiki.eclipse.org/Simultaneous_Release -- Jean-Baptiste Onofré jbono...@apache.org http://blog.nanthrax.net Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: Karaf 3,4 plans?
Well, we can't make any plans on r6 until felix supports imho. 2014-06-19 10:43 GMT+02:00 Benjamin Graf benjamin.g...@gmx.net: Just to clarify even the 3.0.x branch is one r5 yet (since KARAF-2860). :-) Regards Benjamin On 18.06.2014 20:06, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: It sounds good to me. Regards JB On 06/18/2014 08:02 PM, Guillaume Nodet wrote: I'd like to have a release or karaf 2.4 and a 4.0 beta during july. I think we should aim for a 4.0 soon in september maybe. 2014-06-18 19:45 GMT+02:00 Jean-Baptiste Onofré j...@nanthrax.net: Hi Scott, Karaf 3 uses: - Felix Framework 4.2.1 - Equinox 3.8.2 So it means full OSGi r4.3 support, and partial r5 support. I upgraded Karaf 4 to use Felix Framework 4.4.0 and Equinox 3.9.1, providing a full OSGi r5 support. In term of release plan, I schedule Karaf 3.0.2 at least for end of next week (we need some update of transitive projects for full Java8 support). No plan for Karaf 4 for now. I would propose to prepare to r5 framework update for Karaf 3.0.3 (or maybe on a 3.1.x branch, it would be better). Regards JB On 06/18/2014 06:47 PM, Scott Lewis wrote: Hi Folks, I'm working on producing karaf features for ECF's upcoming Luna release (next week), and I'm wondering: should I target Karaf 3.0.1 or Karaf 4? I've seen discussion of Karaf 4 on this mailing list, but I couldn't find details of it on the karaf roadmap [1]. e.g. which OSGi framework version is going to be supported in 4 (i.e. which versions of Felix or Equinox are going to be used), as well as other new/added/changed features in karaf itself. It would also be nice to know some general release plans/schedule for 3.X and 4...if it's available. If possible, I would prefer to target both current and upcoming releases of karaf for the ECF R5 OSGi Remote Services impl being released June 25 [2], but there are some spec-imposed dependencies on framework versions (wiring API, etc), so it's helpful to know what the karaf 4 dependencies are going to be. Thanksinadvance for any info or plans pointers, Scott [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KARAF/Roadmap [2] https://wiki.eclipse.org/Simultaneous_Release -- Jean-Baptiste Onofré jbono...@apache.org http://blog.nanthrax.net Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: Karaf 3,4 plans?
Yes, it is but not yet released (it will be included in 3.0.2). I talked about the current version in 3.0.1 (latest release). Regards JB On 06/19/2014 10:43 AM, Benjamin Graf wrote: Just to clarify even the 3.0.x branch is one r5 yet (since KARAF-2860). :-) Regards Benjamin On 18.06.2014 20:06, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: It sounds good to me. Regards JB On 06/18/2014 08:02 PM, Guillaume Nodet wrote: I'd like to have a release or karaf 2.4 and a 4.0 beta during july. I think we should aim for a 4.0 soon in september maybe. 2014-06-18 19:45 GMT+02:00 Jean-Baptiste Onofré j...@nanthrax.net: Hi Scott, Karaf 3 uses: - Felix Framework 4.2.1 - Equinox 3.8.2 So it means full OSGi r4.3 support, and partial r5 support. I upgraded Karaf 4 to use Felix Framework 4.4.0 and Equinox 3.9.1, providing a full OSGi r5 support. In term of release plan, I schedule Karaf 3.0.2 at least for end of next week (we need some update of transitive projects for full Java8 support). No plan for Karaf 4 for now. I would propose to prepare to r5 framework update for Karaf 3.0.3 (or maybe on a 3.1.x branch, it would be better). Regards JB On 06/18/2014 06:47 PM, Scott Lewis wrote: Hi Folks, I'm working on producing karaf features for ECF's upcoming Luna release (next week), and I'm wondering: should I target Karaf 3.0.1 or Karaf 4? I've seen discussion of Karaf 4 on this mailing list, but I couldn't find details of it on the karaf roadmap [1]. e.g. which OSGi framework version is going to be supported in 4 (i.e. which versions of Felix or Equinox are going to be used), as well as other new/added/changed features in karaf itself. It would also be nice to know some general release plans/schedule for 3.X and 4...if it's available. If possible, I would prefer to target both current and upcoming releases of karaf for the ECF R5 OSGi Remote Services impl being released June 25 [2], but there are some spec-imposed dependencies on framework versions (wiring API, etc), so it's helpful to know what the karaf 4 dependencies are going to be. Thanksinadvance for any info or plans pointers, Scott [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KARAF/Roadmap [2] https://wiki.eclipse.org/Simultaneous_Release -- Jean-Baptiste Onofré jbono...@apache.org http://blog.nanthrax.net Talend - http://www.talend.com -- Jean-Baptiste Onofré jbono...@apache.org http://blog.nanthrax.net Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: Karaf 3,4 plans?
On 6/19/2014 1:59 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: Yes, it is but not yet released (it will be included in 3.0.2). I talked about the current version in 3.0.1 (latest release). I'm a little confused about framework versions and Karaf version. Is the conclusion that 3.0.1 (latest release) does not have the Felix version that supports OSGi R5? But some version of Felix that supports R5 will be included in Karaf 3.0.2? If that's right: 1) When is Karaf 3.0.2 to be expected? 2) Which version of Felix will be included in 3.0.2? Thanksinadvance, Scott
Re: Karaf 3,4 plans?
Hi Scott, to be clear, this is the current situation: Karaf 3.0.1 (latest release): Felix 4.2.1/Equinox 3.8.2, OSGi r4.3 (and partial r5 support) Karaf 3.0.2 (next release, planned in a couple of weeks): Felix 4.4.0/Equinox 3.9.1, OSGi r5 Karaf 4.0.0 (future): Felix 4.4.0/Equinox 3.9.1, OSGi r5 Regards JB On 06/19/2014 08:27 PM, Scott Lewis wrote: On 6/19/2014 1:59 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: Yes, it is but not yet released (it will be included in 3.0.2). I talked about the current version in 3.0.1 (latest release). I'm a little confused about framework versions and Karaf version. Is the conclusion that 3.0.1 (latest release) does not have the Felix version that supports OSGi R5? But some version of Felix that supports R5 will be included in Karaf 3.0.2? If that's right: 1) When is Karaf 3.0.2 to be expected? 2) Which version of Felix will be included in 3.0.2? Thanksinadvance, Scott -- Jean-Baptiste Onofré jbono...@apache.org http://blog.nanthrax.net Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: Karaf 3,4 plans?
It sounds good to me. Regards JB On 06/18/2014 08:02 PM, Guillaume Nodet wrote: I'd like to have a release or karaf 2.4 and a 4.0 beta during july. I think we should aim for a 4.0 soon in september maybe. 2014-06-18 19:45 GMT+02:00 Jean-Baptiste Onofré j...@nanthrax.net: Hi Scott, Karaf 3 uses: - Felix Framework 4.2.1 - Equinox 3.8.2 So it means full OSGi r4.3 support, and partial r5 support. I upgraded Karaf 4 to use Felix Framework 4.4.0 and Equinox 3.9.1, providing a full OSGi r5 support. In term of release plan, I schedule Karaf 3.0.2 at least for end of next week (we need some update of transitive projects for full Java8 support). No plan for Karaf 4 for now. I would propose to prepare to r5 framework update for Karaf 3.0.3 (or maybe on a 3.1.x branch, it would be better). Regards JB On 06/18/2014 06:47 PM, Scott Lewis wrote: Hi Folks, I'm working on producing karaf features for ECF's upcoming Luna release (next week), and I'm wondering: should I target Karaf 3.0.1 or Karaf 4? I've seen discussion of Karaf 4 on this mailing list, but I couldn't find details of it on the karaf roadmap [1]. e.g. which OSGi framework version is going to be supported in 4 (i.e. which versions of Felix or Equinox are going to be used), as well as other new/added/changed features in karaf itself. It would also be nice to know some general release plans/schedule for 3.X and 4...if it's available. If possible, I would prefer to target both current and upcoming releases of karaf for the ECF R5 OSGi Remote Services impl being released June 25 [2], but there are some spec-imposed dependencies on framework versions (wiring API, etc), so it's helpful to know what the karaf 4 dependencies are going to be. Thanksinadvance for any info or plans pointers, Scott [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KARAF/Roadmap [2] https://wiki.eclipse.org/Simultaneous_Release -- Jean-Baptiste Onofré jbono...@apache.org http://blog.nanthrax.net Talend - http://www.talend.com -- Jean-Baptiste Onofré jbono...@apache.org http://blog.nanthrax.net Talend - http://www.talend.com
