subject:"Re\: \[VOTE\] The new direction for project Mnemonic"

Re: [VOTE] The new direction for project Mnemonic

2024-03-24 Thread Katarina K

+1

Thx


On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 1:30 PM Gordon  wrote:

> Thanks Xiaojing and Li,
>
> Right, the AutoML and security would be interesting and important
> directions for a popular memory library project.
> I think it is crucial to design a successful library with ML usability and
> security in mind at the very beginning.
> We may need to further find a path to maximize the contribution to those
> promising applications.
>
> Thanks.
> Gordon.
>
> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 12:02 AM Li Shen  wrote:
>
> > +1
> > adding features to support AI is a good direction. Would we also consider
> > some security enhancements such as nonvolatile memory encryption?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Li
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 4:30 PM Xiaojin Jiao  wrote:
> >
> >> Another direction could be enhancing our platform to have some AI-based
> >> memory management capability, like this one: Machine Learning Makes
> Memory
> >> Management More Efficient | College of Computing (gatech.edu)
> >> <
> >>
> https://www.cc.gatech.edu/news/623810/machine-learning-makes-memory-management-more-efficient
> >> >
> >> A wild thought :),  AutoML is quite popular lately, we could think about
> >> if
> >> it's possible to push our library into an AutoML library to help it
> manage
> >> the memory.
> >> --
> >> Best Regards,
> >>
> >>
> >> Xiaojin Jiao
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 12:51 PM Gordon  wrote:
> >>
> >> > Thanks Zhen.
> >> > Right, it is also the most challenging technique we are going to
> >> achieve.
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 10:45 AM rhythmwind 
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > +1. Agree with Xiaojin's idea.
> >> > >
> >> > > If mnemonic project could provid a cost effective way to meet speed
> >> and
> >> > > capacity required by ever increasing demand of ML models, it will be
> >> much
> >> > > attractive.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks Zhen
> >> > >
> >> > >  Original message 
> >> > > From: Gordon 
> >> > > Date: 3/21/24 10:16 AM (GMT-08:00)
> >> > > To: dev@mnemonic.apache.org, priv...@mnemonic.apache.org
> >> > > Subject: Re: [VOTE] The new direction for project Mnemonic
> >> > >
> >> > > Thank you Xiaojing and Chenyang.
> >> > >
> >> > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 8:10 AM Chenyang Li <
> morningsun@gmail.com
> >> >
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Ok sound good to me then
> >> > > >
> >> > > > +1
> >> > > >
> >> > > > < = >
> >> > > > LESS IS MORE
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 6:18 PM Gordon  wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Hi Chenyang,
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > You are right, how to optimize the ML/AI workload through
> >> > non-volatile
> >> > > > > objects is a big challenge.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > I saw some successful efforts on this domain, for example,
> Apache
> >> > Arrow
> >> > > > > provided optimized dataframe and numpy array to accelerate the
> >> data
> >> > > > > processing, while they do have DLPack protocol to improve the
> >> > > efficiency
> >> > > > of
> >> > > > > tensors and arrays exchange between major frameworks.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > So that's why I think we might find the similar path to ML/AI
> >> > > workloads,
> >> > > > > thanks.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Best regards
> >> > > > > Gordon
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 11:01 AM Chenyang Li <
> >> > morningsun@gmail.com
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > Ml/ai will be interesting to add, but the problem is I don’t
> >> see a
> >> > > > clear
> >> >

Re: [VOTE] The new direction for project Mnemonic

2024-03-23 Thread Gordon

Thanks Xiaojing and Li,

Right, the AutoML and security would be interesting and important
directions for a popular memory library project.
I think it is crucial to design a successful library with ML usability and
security in mind at the very beginning.
We may need to further find a path to maximize the contribution to those
promising applications.

Thanks.
Gordon.

On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 12:02 AM Li Shen  wrote:

> +1
> adding features to support AI is a good direction. Would we also consider
> some security enhancements such as nonvolatile memory encryption?
>
> Thanks,
> Li
>
> On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 4:30 PM Xiaojin Jiao  wrote:
>
>> Another direction could be enhancing our platform to have some AI-based
>> memory management capability, like this one: Machine Learning Makes Memory
>> Management More Efficient | College of Computing (gatech.edu)
>> <
>> https://www.cc.gatech.edu/news/623810/machine-learning-makes-memory-management-more-efficient
>> >
>> A wild thought :),  AutoML is quite popular lately, we could think about
>> if
>> it's possible to push our library into an AutoML library to help it manage
>> the memory.
>> --
>> Best Regards,
>>
>>
>> Xiaojin Jiao
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 12:51 PM Gordon  wrote:
>>
>> > Thanks Zhen.
>> > Right, it is also the most challenging technique we are going to
>> achieve.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 10:45 AM rhythmwind 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > +1. Agree with Xiaojin's idea.
>> > >
>> > > If mnemonic project could provid a cost effective way to meet speed
>> and
>> > > capacity required by ever increasing demand of ML models, it will be
>> much
>> > > attractive.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks Zhen
>> > >
>> > >  Original message 
>> > > From: Gordon 
>> > > Date: 3/21/24 10:16 AM (GMT-08:00)
>> > > To: dev@mnemonic.apache.org, priv...@mnemonic.apache.org
>> > > Subject: Re: [VOTE] The new direction for project Mnemonic
>> > >
>> > > Thank you Xiaojing and Chenyang.
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 8:10 AM Chenyang Li > >
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Ok sound good to me then
>> > > >
>> > > > +1
>> > > >
>> > > > < = >
>> > > > LESS IS MORE
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 6:18 PM Gordon  wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Hi Chenyang,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > You are right, how to optimize the ML/AI workload through
>> > non-volatile
>> > > > > objects is a big challenge.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I saw some successful efforts on this domain, for example, Apache
>> > Arrow
>> > > > > provided optimized dataframe and numpy array to accelerate the
>> data
>> > > > > processing, while they do have DLPack protocol to improve the
>> > > efficiency
>> > > > of
>> > > > > tensors and arrays exchange between major frameworks.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > So that's why I think we might find the similar path to ML/AI
>> > > workloads,
>> > > > > thanks.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Best regards
>> > > > > Gordon
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 11:01 AM Chenyang Li <
>> > morningsun@gmail.com
>> > > >
>> > > > > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Ml/ai will be interesting to add, but the problem is I don’t
>> see a
>> > > > clear
>> > > > > > interception from Mnemonic project.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Does anybody have any ideas on this?
>> > > > > > Chenyang
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > < = >
>> > > > > > LESS IS MORE
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 9:58 AM Gordon 
>> wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Hi Mnemonic contributors and PMCs,
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > As the benefits of

Re: [VOTE] The new direction for project Mnemonic

2024-03-23 Thread Li Shen

+1
adding features to support AI is a good direction. Would we also consider
some security enhancements such as nonvolatile memory encryption?

Thanks,
Li

On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 4:30 PM Xiaojin Jiao  wrote:

> Another direction could be enhancing our platform to have some AI-based
> memory management capability, like this one: Machine Learning Makes Memory
> Management More Efficient | College of Computing (gatech.edu)
> <
> https://www.cc.gatech.edu/news/623810/machine-learning-makes-memory-management-more-efficient
> >
> A wild thought :),  AutoML is quite popular lately, we could think about if
> it's possible to push our library into an AutoML library to help it manage
> the memory.
> --
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Xiaojin Jiao
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 12:51 PM Gordon  wrote:
>
> > Thanks Zhen.
> > Right, it is also the most challenging technique we are going to achieve.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 10:45 AM rhythmwind 
> wrote:
> >
> > > +1. Agree with Xiaojin's idea.
> > >
> > > If mnemonic project could provid a cost effective way to meet speed and
> > > capacity required by ever increasing demand of ML models, it will be
> much
> > > attractive.
> > >
> > > Thanks Zhen
> > >
> > > ---- Original message ----
> > > From: Gordon 
> > > Date: 3/21/24 10:16 AM (GMT-08:00)
> > > To: dev@mnemonic.apache.org, priv...@mnemonic.apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: [VOTE] The new direction for project Mnemonic
> > >
> > > Thank you Xiaojing and Chenyang.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 8:10 AM Chenyang Li 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ok sound good to me then
> > > >
> > > > +1
> > > >
> > > > < = >
> > > > LESS IS MORE
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 6:18 PM Gordon  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Chenyang,
> > > > >
> > > > > You are right, how to optimize the ML/AI workload through
> > non-volatile
> > > > > objects is a big challenge.
> > > > >
> > > > > I saw some successful efforts on this domain, for example, Apache
> > Arrow
> > > > > provided optimized dataframe and numpy array to accelerate the data
> > > > > processing, while they do have DLPack protocol to improve the
> > > efficiency
> > > > of
> > > > > tensors and arrays exchange between major frameworks.
> > > > >
> > > > > So that's why I think we might find the similar path to ML/AI
> > > workloads,
> > > > > thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards
> > > > > Gordon
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 11:01 AM Chenyang Li <
> > morningsun@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Ml/ai will be interesting to add, but the problem is I don’t see
> a
> > > > clear
> > > > > > interception from Mnemonic project.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does anybody have any ideas on this?
> > > > > > Chenyang
> > > > > >
> > > > > > < = >
> > > > > > LESS IS MORE
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 9:58 AM Gordon  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Mnemonic contributors and PMCs,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As the benefits of non-volatile memory technology are very
> > limited
> > > on
> > > > > its
> > > > > > > own, we may need to consider developing some applications to
> > > present
> > > > > it,
> > > > > > > such as ML/AI. so I would like to call a vote to make a
> community
> > > > wide
> > > > > > > decision on this new direction for Mnemonic, please vote, and
> we
> > > can
> > > > > > > definitely do further discussion on it after it, thanks.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please vote accordingly,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [] +1 approve
> > > > > > > [] +0 no opinion
> > > > > > > [] -1 disapprove  with a reason
> > >

Re: [VOTE] The new direction for project Mnemonic

2024-03-22 Thread Xiaojin Jiao

Another direction could be enhancing our platform to have some AI-based
memory management capability, like this one: Machine Learning Makes Memory
Management More Efficient | College of Computing (gatech.edu)
<https://www.cc.gatech.edu/news/623810/machine-learning-makes-memory-management-more-efficient>
A wild thought :),  AutoML is quite popular lately, we could think about if
it's possible to push our library into an AutoML library to help it manage
the memory.
--
Best Regards,


Xiaojin Jiao



On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 12:51 PM Gordon  wrote:

> Thanks Zhen.
> Right, it is also the most challenging technique we are going to achieve.
>
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 10:45 AM rhythmwind  wrote:
>
> > +1. Agree with Xiaojin's idea.
> >
> > If mnemonic project could provid a cost effective way to meet speed and
> > capacity required by ever increasing demand of ML models, it will be much
> > attractive.
> >
> > Thanks Zhen
> >
> >  Original message 
> > From: Gordon 
> > Date: 3/21/24 10:16 AM (GMT-08:00)
> > To: dev@mnemonic.apache.org, priv...@mnemonic.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [VOTE] The new direction for project Mnemonic
> >
> > Thank you Xiaojing and Chenyang.
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 8:10 AM Chenyang Li 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Ok sound good to me then
> > >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > < = >
> > > LESS IS MORE
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 6:18 PM Gordon  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Chenyang,
> > > >
> > > > You are right, how to optimize the ML/AI workload through
> non-volatile
> > > > objects is a big challenge.
> > > >
> > > > I saw some successful efforts on this domain, for example, Apache
> Arrow
> > > > provided optimized dataframe and numpy array to accelerate the data
> > > > processing, while they do have DLPack protocol to improve the
> > efficiency
> > > of
> > > > tensors and arrays exchange between major frameworks.
> > > >
> > > > So that's why I think we might find the similar path to ML/AI
> > workloads,
> > > > thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards
> > > > Gordon
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 11:01 AM Chenyang Li <
> morningsun@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Ml/ai will be interesting to add, but the problem is I don’t see a
> > > clear
> > > > > interception from Mnemonic project.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does anybody have any ideas on this?
> > > > > Chenyang
> > > > >
> > > > > < = >
> > > > > LESS IS MORE
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 9:58 AM Gordon  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Mnemonic contributors and PMCs,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As the benefits of non-volatile memory technology are very
> limited
> > on
> > > > its
> > > > > > own, we may need to consider developing some applications to
> > present
> > > > it,
> > > > > > such as ML/AI. so I would like to call a vote to make a community
> > > wide
> > > > > > decision on this new direction for Mnemonic, please vote, and we
> > can
> > > > > > definitely do further discussion on it after it, thanks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please vote accordingly,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [] +1 approve
> > > > > > [] +0 no opinion
> > > > > > [] -1 disapprove  with a reason
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you all for your participation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > Gordon
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 11:56 PM Gordon 
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Sander,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sorry for the late reply, I submitted the report for the
> Mnemonic
> > > > > > > community and will discuss with our PMCs to make a decision on
> > the
> > > > > > > direction of our project/community, thanks.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best regards
&

Re: [VOTE] The new direction for project Mnemonic

2024-03-21 Thread Gordon

Thanks Zhen.
Right, it is also the most challenging technique we are going to achieve.

On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 10:45 AM rhythmwind  wrote:

> +1. Agree with Xiaojin's idea.
>
> If mnemonic project could provid a cost effective way to meet speed and
> capacity required by ever increasing demand of ML models, it will be much
> attractive.
>
> Thanks Zhen
>
>  Original message 
> From: Gordon 
> Date: 3/21/24 10:16 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: dev@mnemonic.apache.org, priv...@mnemonic.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] The new direction for project Mnemonic
>
> Thank you Xiaojing and Chenyang.
>
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 8:10 AM Chenyang Li 
> wrote:
>
> > Ok sound good to me then
> >
> > +1
> >
> > < = >
> > LESS IS MORE
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 6:18 PM Gordon  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Chenyang,
> > >
> > > You are right, how to optimize the ML/AI workload through non-volatile
> > > objects is a big challenge.
> > >
> > > I saw some successful efforts on this domain, for example, Apache Arrow
> > > provided optimized dataframe and numpy array to accelerate the data
> > > processing, while they do have DLPack protocol to improve the
> efficiency
> > of
> > > tensors and arrays exchange between major frameworks.
> > >
> > > So that's why I think we might find the similar path to ML/AI
> workloads,
> > > thanks.
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > > Gordon
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 11:01 AM Chenyang Li  >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ml/ai will be interesting to add, but the problem is I don’t see a
> > clear
> > > > interception from Mnemonic project.
> > > >
> > > > Does anybody have any ideas on this?
> > > > Chenyang
> > > >
> > > > < = >
> > > > LESS IS MORE
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 9:58 AM Gordon  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Mnemonic contributors and PMCs,
> > > > >
> > > > > As the benefits of non-volatile memory technology are very limited
> on
> > > its
> > > > > own, we may need to consider developing some applications to
> present
> > > it,
> > > > > such as ML/AI. so I would like to call a vote to make a community
> > wide
> > > > > decision on this new direction for Mnemonic, please vote, and we
> can
> > > > > definitely do further discussion on it after it, thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please vote accordingly,
> > > > >
> > > > > [] +1 approve
> > > > > [] +0 no opinion
> > > > > [] -1 disapprove  with a reason
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you all for your participation.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Gordon
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 11:56 PM Gordon  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Sander,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sorry for the late reply, I submitted the report for the Mnemonic
> > > > > > community and will discuss with our PMCs to make a decision on
> the
> > > > > > direction of our project/community, thanks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best regards
> > > > > > Gordon.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, Mar 16, 2024 at 6:19 AM Sander Striker <
> stri...@apache.org
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Dear Mnemonic community,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> In the Apache governance model, the ASF board delegates
> > > responsibility
> > > > > for
> > > > > >> managing projects to PMCs. This allows projects to govern
> > > themselves,
> > > > in
> > > > > >> terms
> > > > > >> of their own development goals, guidelines, and volunteer
> spirit,
> > > > within
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >> scope of our purpose as an open source foundation. The state
> > allows
> > > us
> > > > > to
> > > > > >> supply an umbrella of corporate protection to our projects and
> > > > &g

Re: [VOTE] The new direction for project Mnemonic

2024-03-21 Thread rhythmwind

+1. Agree with Xiaojin's idea. If mnemonic project could provid a cost 
effective way to meet speed and capacity required by ever increasing demand of 
ML models, it will be much attractive.Thanks Zhen
 Original message From: Gordon  Date: 
3/21/24  10:16 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: dev@mnemonic.apache.org, 
priv...@mnemonic.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] The new direction for project 
Mnemonic Thank you Xiaojing and Chenyang.On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 8:10 AM 
Chenyang Li wrote:> Ok sound good to me then>> +1>>   
  < = >> LESS IS MORE>>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 6:18 PM Gordon 
 wrote:>> > Hi Chenyang,> >> > You are right, how to 
optimize the ML/AI workload through non-volatile> > objects is a big 
challenge.> >> > I saw some successful efforts on this domain, for example, 
Apache Arrow> > provided optimized dataframe and numpy array to accelerate the 
data> > processing, while they do have DLPack protocol to improve the 
efficiency> of> > tensors and arrays exchange between major frameworks.> >> > 
So that's why I think we might find the similar path to ML/AI workloads,> > 
thanks.> >> > Best regards> > Gordon> >> >> > On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 11:01 AM 
Chenyang Li > > wrote:> >> > > Ml/ai will be 
interesting to add, but the problem is I don’t see a> clear> > > interception 
from Mnemonic project.> > >> > > Does anybody have any ideas on this?> > > 
Chenyang> > >> > > < = >> > > LESS IS MORE> > >> > >> > > On Mon, Mar 
18, 2024 at 9:58 AM Gordon  wrote:> > >> > > > Hi Mnemonic 
contributors and PMCs,> > > >> > > > As the benefits of non-volatile memory 
technology are very limited on> > its> > > > own, we may need to consider 
developing some applications to present> > it,> > > > such as ML/AI. so I would 
like to call a vote to make a community> wide> > > > decision on this new 
direction for Mnemonic, please vote, and we can> > > > definitely do further 
discussion on it after it, thanks.> > > >> > > > Please vote accordingly,> > > 
>> > > > [] +1 approve> > > > [] +0 no opinion> > > > [] -1 disapprove  with a 
reason> > > >> > > > Thank you all for your participation.> > > >> > > > Best,> 
> > > Gordon> > > >> > > > On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 11:56 PM Gordon 
 wrote:> > > >> > > > > Dear Sander,> > > > >> > > > > Sorry 
for the late reply, I submitted the report for the Mnemonic> > > > > community 
and will discuss with our PMCs to make a decision on the> > > > > direction of 
our project/community, thanks.> > > > >> > > > > Best regards> > > > > Gordon.> 
> > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Mar 16, 2024 at 6:19 AM Sander Striker 
 >> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> Dear Mnemonic 
community,> > > > >>> > > > >> In the Apache governance model, the ASF board 
delegates> > responsibility> > > > for> > > > >> managing projects to PMCs. 
This allows projects to govern> > themselves,> > > in> > > > >> terms> > > > >> 
of their own development goals, guidelines, and volunteer spirit,> > > within> 
> > > >> the> > > > >> scope of our purpose as an open source foundation. The 
state> allows> > us> > > > to> > > > >> supply an umbrella of corporate 
protection to our projects and> > > > >> volunteers, but> > > > >> only to the 
extent that we retain active and effective oversight> of> > > each> > > > >> 
project's operation on behalf of the public's interest.> > > > >>> > > > >> To 
enable the board to provide oversight across the foundation,> each> > > PMC> > 
> > >> is> > > > >> tasked with providing the board a quarterly report on the 
health> of> > > > their> > > > >> project. This allows us to hear your 
heartbeat, to see the project> > > > through> > > > >> your eyes, and to inform 
the public through our meeting minutes.> > > > >>> > > > >> The board has 
noticed that the reports for Mnemonic hav

Re: [VOTE] The new direction for project Mnemonic

2024-03-21 Thread Gordon

Thank you Xiaojing and Chenyang.

On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 8:10 AM Chenyang Li 
wrote:

> Ok sound good to me then
>
> +1
>
> < = >
> LESS IS MORE
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 6:18 PM Gordon  wrote:
>
> > Hi Chenyang,
> >
> > You are right, how to optimize the ML/AI workload through non-volatile
> > objects is a big challenge.
> >
> > I saw some successful efforts on this domain, for example, Apache Arrow
> > provided optimized dataframe and numpy array to accelerate the data
> > processing, while they do have DLPack protocol to improve the efficiency
> of
> > tensors and arrays exchange between major frameworks.
> >
> > So that's why I think we might find the similar path to ML/AI workloads,
> > thanks.
> >
> > Best regards
> > Gordon
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 11:01 AM Chenyang Li 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Ml/ai will be interesting to add, but the problem is I don’t see a
> clear
> > > interception from Mnemonic project.
> > >
> > > Does anybody have any ideas on this?
> > > Chenyang
> > >
> > > < = >
> > > LESS IS MORE
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 9:58 AM Gordon  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Mnemonic contributors and PMCs,
> > > >
> > > > As the benefits of non-volatile memory technology are very limited on
> > its
> > > > own, we may need to consider developing some applications to present
> > it,
> > > > such as ML/AI. so I would like to call a vote to make a community
> wide
> > > > decision on this new direction for Mnemonic, please vote, and we can
> > > > definitely do further discussion on it after it, thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Please vote accordingly,
> > > >
> > > > [] +1 approve
> > > > [] +0 no opinion
> > > > [] -1 disapprove  with a reason
> > > >
> > > > Thank you all for your participation.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Gordon
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 11:56 PM Gordon  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Dear Sander,
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry for the late reply, I submitted the report for the Mnemonic
> > > > > community and will discuss with our PMCs to make a decision on the
> > > > > direction of our project/community, thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards
> > > > > Gordon.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Mar 16, 2024 at 6:19 AM Sander Striker  >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Dear Mnemonic community,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> In the Apache governance model, the ASF board delegates
> > responsibility
> > > > for
> > > > >> managing projects to PMCs. This allows projects to govern
> > themselves,
> > > in
> > > > >> terms
> > > > >> of their own development goals, guidelines, and volunteer spirit,
> > > within
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> scope of our purpose as an open source foundation. The state
> allows
> > us
> > > > to
> > > > >> supply an umbrella of corporate protection to our projects and
> > > > >> volunteers, but
> > > > >> only to the extent that we retain active and effective oversight
> of
> > > each
> > > > >> project's operation on behalf of the public's interest.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> To enable the board to provide oversight across the foundation,
> each
> > > PMC
> > > > >> is
> > > > >> tasked with providing the board a quarterly report on the health
> of
> > > > their
> > > > >> project. This allows us to hear your heartbeat, to see the project
> > > > through
> > > > >> your eyes, and to inform the public through our meeting minutes.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The board has noticed that the reports for Mnemonic have been
> missed
> > > > >> for a number of months. This makes us sad because we have lost
> that
> > > > >> ability
> > > > >> to communicate with you, to see what may be preventing your good
> > > health,
> > > > >> and to ensure that we are providing the services that you need to
> > > > continue
> > > > >> as an Apache project.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The reports to the board are normally written by the PMC chair but
> > all
> > > > PMC
> > > > >> members have an individual responsibility to ensure that a report
> is
> > > > >> submitted. If the PMC chair is not available then any PMC member
> can
> > > > >> submit
> > > > >> the report. If you need help with this process, please reach out
> to
> > > > >> bo...@apache.org
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Please ensure that a report for Mnemonic is submitted to the board
> > > > >> for the next meeting on Wed, 20 Mar 2024 at 21:00 UTC.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> If the PMC chair is not going to be available for an extended
> period
> > > of
> > > > >> time,
> > > > >> it may make sense to rotate the PMC chair. Rotating the PMC chair
> > does
> > > > not
> > > > >> mean the current chair has failed. People's situations and
> interests
> > > > >> change;
> > > > >> rotation is good as it allows more people to become familiar with
> > that
> > > > >> role.
> > > > >> Again, if assistance is required with this process, please feel
> free
> > > to
> > > > >> reach out to bo...@apache.org
> > > > >>
> > > > >> As projects mature, they will naturally reach a point where
> activity
> > > > >>

Re: [VOTE] The new direction for project Mnemonic

2024-03-19 Thread Chenyang Li

Ok sound good to me then

+1

< = >
LESS IS MORE


On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 6:18 PM Gordon  wrote:

> Hi Chenyang,
>
> You are right, how to optimize the ML/AI workload through non-volatile
> objects is a big challenge.
>
> I saw some successful efforts on this domain, for example, Apache Arrow
> provided optimized dataframe and numpy array to accelerate the data
> processing, while they do have DLPack protocol to improve the efficiency of
> tensors and arrays exchange between major frameworks.
>
> So that's why I think we might find the similar path to ML/AI workloads,
> thanks.
>
> Best regards
> Gordon
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 11:01 AM Chenyang Li 
> wrote:
>
> > Ml/ai will be interesting to add, but the problem is I don’t see a clear
> > interception from Mnemonic project.
> >
> > Does anybody have any ideas on this?
> > Chenyang
> >
> > < = >
> > LESS IS MORE
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 9:58 AM Gordon  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Mnemonic contributors and PMCs,
> > >
> > > As the benefits of non-volatile memory technology are very limited on
> its
> > > own, we may need to consider developing some applications to present
> it,
> > > such as ML/AI. so I would like to call a vote to make a community wide
> > > decision on this new direction for Mnemonic, please vote, and we can
> > > definitely do further discussion on it after it, thanks.
> > >
> > > Please vote accordingly,
> > >
> > > [] +1 approve
> > > [] +0 no opinion
> > > [] -1 disapprove  with a reason
> > >
> > > Thank you all for your participation.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Gordon
> > >
> > > On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 11:56 PM Gordon  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear Sander,
> > > >
> > > > Sorry for the late reply, I submitted the report for the Mnemonic
> > > > community and will discuss with our PMCs to make a decision on the
> > > > direction of our project/community, thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards
> > > > Gordon.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Mar 16, 2024 at 6:19 AM Sander Striker 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Dear Mnemonic community,
> > > >>
> > > >> In the Apache governance model, the ASF board delegates
> responsibility
> > > for
> > > >> managing projects to PMCs. This allows projects to govern
> themselves,
> > in
> > > >> terms
> > > >> of their own development goals, guidelines, and volunteer spirit,
> > within
> > > >> the
> > > >> scope of our purpose as an open source foundation. The state allows
> us
> > > to
> > > >> supply an umbrella of corporate protection to our projects and
> > > >> volunteers, but
> > > >> only to the extent that we retain active and effective oversight of
> > each
> > > >> project's operation on behalf of the public's interest.
> > > >>
> > > >> To enable the board to provide oversight across the foundation, each
> > PMC
> > > >> is
> > > >> tasked with providing the board a quarterly report on the health of
> > > their
> > > >> project. This allows us to hear your heartbeat, to see the project
> > > through
> > > >> your eyes, and to inform the public through our meeting minutes.
> > > >>
> > > >> The board has noticed that the reports for Mnemonic have been missed
> > > >> for a number of months. This makes us sad because we have lost that
> > > >> ability
> > > >> to communicate with you, to see what may be preventing your good
> > health,
> > > >> and to ensure that we are providing the services that you need to
> > > continue
> > > >> as an Apache project.
> > > >>
> > > >> The reports to the board are normally written by the PMC chair but
> all
> > > PMC
> > > >> members have an individual responsibility to ensure that a report is
> > > >> submitted. If the PMC chair is not available then any PMC member can
> > > >> submit
> > > >> the report. If you need help with this process, please reach out to
> > > >> bo...@apache.org
> > > >>
> > > >> Please ensure that a report for Mnemonic is submitted to the board
> > > >> for the next meeting on Wed, 20 Mar 2024 at 21:00 UTC.
> > > >>
> > > >> If the PMC chair is not going to be available for an extended period
> > of
> > > >> time,
> > > >> it may make sense to rotate the PMC chair. Rotating the PMC chair
> does
> > > not
> > > >> mean the current chair has failed. People's situations and interests
> > > >> change;
> > > >> rotation is good as it allows more people to become familiar with
> that
> > > >> role.
> > > >> Again, if assistance is required with this process, please feel free
> > to
> > > >> reach out to bo...@apache.org
> > > >>
> > > >> As projects mature, they will naturally reach a point where activity
> > > >> reduces
> > > >> to a level that the project is no longer sustainable. At Apache,
> > > projects
> > > >> reach this stage when there are no longer 3 active PMC members
> > providing
> > > >> oversight. Projects that reach this stage are placed in our Attic,
> > where
> > > >> they continue to be accessible to the public but are not portrayed
> as
> > > >> having
> > > >> an active community for maintenance.

Re: [VOTE] The new direction for project Mnemonic

2024-03-18 Thread Gordon

Hi Xiaojing,

Thank you for your insights on this.

It is valuable for us to refer to those art of status engineering works for
the ML/AI domain. and looks very promising to have all AI/ML parameters,
dataset in memory storage to further accelerate the data process.

Let's further think about which steps we will take towards success. thanks.

Best regards
Gordon.


On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 12:21 PM Xiaojin Jiao  wrote:

> Quick thoughts :)
> Extend our Mnemonic interface to more advanced memory for AI.
> High-speed emerging memories for AI hardware accelerators | Nature Reviews
> Electrical Engineering  >
> How AI Impacts Memory
> Systems (semiengineering.com)
> 
> In-Memory Computing, AI Draws Research Interest - EE Times
> 
> --
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Xiaojin Jiao
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 11:01 AM Chenyang Li 
> wrote:
>
> > Ml/ai will be interesting to add, but the problem is I don’t see a clear
> > interception from Mnemonic project.
> >
> > Does anybody have any ideas on this?
> > Chenyang
> >
> > < = >
> > LESS IS MORE
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 9:58 AM Gordon  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Mnemonic contributors and PMCs,
> > >
> > > As the benefits of non-volatile memory technology are very limited on
> its
> > > own, we may need to consider developing some applications to present
> it,
> > > such as ML/AI. so I would like to call a vote to make a community wide
> > > decision on this new direction for Mnemonic, please vote, and we can
> > > definitely do further discussion on it after it, thanks.
> > >
> > > Please vote accordingly,
> > >
> > > [] +1 approve
> > > [] +0 no opinion
> > > [] -1 disapprove  with a reason
> > >
> > > Thank you all for your participation.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Gordon
> > >
> > > On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 11:56 PM Gordon  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear Sander,
> > > >
> > > > Sorry for the late reply, I submitted the report for the Mnemonic
> > > > community and will discuss with our PMCs to make a decision on the
> > > > direction of our project/community, thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards
> > > > Gordon.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Mar 16, 2024 at 6:19 AM Sander Striker 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Dear Mnemonic community,
> > > >>
> > > >> In the Apache governance model, the ASF board delegates
> responsibility
> > > for
> > > >> managing projects to PMCs. This allows projects to govern
> themselves,
> > in
> > > >> terms
> > > >> of their own development goals, guidelines, and volunteer spirit,
> > within
> > > >> the
> > > >> scope of our purpose as an open source foundation. The state allows
> us
> > > to
> > > >> supply an umbrella of corporate protection to our projects and
> > > >> volunteers, but
> > > >> only to the extent that we retain active and effective oversight of
> > each
> > > >> project's operation on behalf of the public's interest.
> > > >>
> > > >> To enable the board to provide oversight across the foundation, each
> > PMC
> > > >> is
> > > >> tasked with providing the board a quarterly report on the health of
> > > their
> > > >> project. This allows us to hear your heartbeat, to see the project
> > > through
> > > >> your eyes, and to inform the public through our meeting minutes.
> > > >>
> > > >> The board has noticed that the reports for Mnemonic have been missed
> > > >> for a number of months. This makes us sad because we have lost that
> > > >> ability
> > > >> to communicate with you, to see what may be preventing your good
> > health,
> > > >> and to ensure that we are providing the services that you need to
> > > continue
> > > >> as an Apache project.
> > > >>
> > > >> The reports to the board are normally written by the PMC chair but
> all
> > > PMC
> > > >> members have an individual responsibility to ensure that a report is
> > > >> submitted. If the PMC chair is not available then any PMC member can
> > > >> submit
> > > >> the report. If you need help with this process, please reach out to
> > > >> bo...@apache.org
> > > >>
> > > >> Please ensure that a report for Mnemonic is submitted to the board
> > > >> for the next meeting on Wed, 20 Mar 2024 at 21:00 UTC.
> > > >>
> > > >> If the PMC chair is not going to be available for an extended period
> > of
> > > >> time,
> > > >> it may make sense to rotate the PMC chair. Rotating the PMC chair
> does
> > > not
> > > >> mean the current chair has failed. People's situations and interests
> > > >> change;
> > > >> rotation is good as it allows more people to become familiar with
> that
> > > >> role.
> > > >> Again, if assistance is required with this process, please feel free
> > to
> > > >> reach out to bo...@apache.org
> > > >>
> > > >> As projects mature, they will naturally reach a point where activity
> > > >> reduces
> > >

Re: [VOTE] The new direction for project Mnemonic

2024-03-18 Thread Gordon

Hi Chenyang,

You are right, how to optimize the ML/AI workload through non-volatile
objects is a big challenge.

I saw some successful efforts on this domain, for example, Apache Arrow
provided optimized dataframe and numpy array to accelerate the data
processing, while they do have DLPack protocol to improve the efficiency of
tensors and arrays exchange between major frameworks.

So that's why I think we might find the similar path to ML/AI workloads,
thanks.

Best regards
Gordon


On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 11:01 AM Chenyang Li 
wrote:

> Ml/ai will be interesting to add, but the problem is I don’t see a clear
> interception from Mnemonic project.
>
> Does anybody have any ideas on this?
> Chenyang
>
> < = >
> LESS IS MORE
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 9:58 AM Gordon  wrote:
>
> > Hi Mnemonic contributors and PMCs,
> >
> > As the benefits of non-volatile memory technology are very limited on its
> > own, we may need to consider developing some applications to present it,
> > such as ML/AI. so I would like to call a vote to make a community wide
> > decision on this new direction for Mnemonic, please vote, and we can
> > definitely do further discussion on it after it, thanks.
> >
> > Please vote accordingly,
> >
> > [] +1 approve
> > [] +0 no opinion
> > [] -1 disapprove  with a reason
> >
> > Thank you all for your participation.
> >
> > Best,
> > Gordon
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 11:56 PM Gordon  wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Sander,
> > >
> > > Sorry for the late reply, I submitted the report for the Mnemonic
> > > community and will discuss with our PMCs to make a decision on the
> > > direction of our project/community, thanks.
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > > Gordon.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Mar 16, 2024 at 6:19 AM Sander Striker 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Dear Mnemonic community,
> > >>
> > >> In the Apache governance model, the ASF board delegates responsibility
> > for
> > >> managing projects to PMCs. This allows projects to govern themselves,
> in
> > >> terms
> > >> of their own development goals, guidelines, and volunteer spirit,
> within
> > >> the
> > >> scope of our purpose as an open source foundation. The state allows us
> > to
> > >> supply an umbrella of corporate protection to our projects and
> > >> volunteers, but
> > >> only to the extent that we retain active and effective oversight of
> each
> > >> project's operation on behalf of the public's interest.
> > >>
> > >> To enable the board to provide oversight across the foundation, each
> PMC
> > >> is
> > >> tasked with providing the board a quarterly report on the health of
> > their
> > >> project. This allows us to hear your heartbeat, to see the project
> > through
> > >> your eyes, and to inform the public through our meeting minutes.
> > >>
> > >> The board has noticed that the reports for Mnemonic have been missed
> > >> for a number of months. This makes us sad because we have lost that
> > >> ability
> > >> to communicate with you, to see what may be preventing your good
> health,
> > >> and to ensure that we are providing the services that you need to
> > continue
> > >> as an Apache project.
> > >>
> > >> The reports to the board are normally written by the PMC chair but all
> > PMC
> > >> members have an individual responsibility to ensure that a report is
> > >> submitted. If the PMC chair is not available then any PMC member can
> > >> submit
> > >> the report. If you need help with this process, please reach out to
> > >> bo...@apache.org
> > >>
> > >> Please ensure that a report for Mnemonic is submitted to the board
> > >> for the next meeting on Wed, 20 Mar 2024 at 21:00 UTC.
> > >>
> > >> If the PMC chair is not going to be available for an extended period
> of
> > >> time,
> > >> it may make sense to rotate the PMC chair. Rotating the PMC chair does
> > not
> > >> mean the current chair has failed. People's situations and interests
> > >> change;
> > >> rotation is good as it allows more people to become familiar with that
> > >> role.
> > >> Again, if assistance is required with this process, please feel free
> to
> > >> reach out to bo...@apache.org
> > >>
> > >> As projects mature, they will naturally reach a point where activity
> > >> reduces
> > >> to a level that the project is no longer sustainable. At Apache,
> > projects
> > >> reach this stage when there are no longer 3 active PMC members
> providing
> > >> oversight. Projects that reach this stage are placed in our Attic,
> where
> > >> they continue to be accessible to the public but are not portrayed as
> > >> having
> > >> an active community for maintenance.
> > >>
> > >> http://attic.apache.org/
> > >>
> > >> If Mnemonic has reached this point, please reach out to the Attic
> > project
> > >> to arrange transfer. On the other hand, if your project is mostly
> > dormant
> > >> but
> > >> still has at least three active PMC members, it can remain in that
> state
> > >> for
> > >> as long as needed. If your project is in such a state, please

Re: [VOTE] The new direction for project Mnemonic

2024-03-18 Thread Xiaojin Jiao

Quick thoughts :)
Extend our Mnemonic interface to more advanced memory for AI.
High-speed emerging memories for AI hardware accelerators | Nature Reviews
Electrical Engineering 
How AI Impacts Memory
Systems (semiengineering.com)

In-Memory Computing, AI Draws Research Interest - EE Times

--
Best Regards,


Xiaojin Jiao



On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 11:01 AM Chenyang Li 
wrote:

> Ml/ai will be interesting to add, but the problem is I don’t see a clear
> interception from Mnemonic project.
>
> Does anybody have any ideas on this?
> Chenyang
>
> < = >
> LESS IS MORE
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 9:58 AM Gordon  wrote:
>
> > Hi Mnemonic contributors and PMCs,
> >
> > As the benefits of non-volatile memory technology are very limited on its
> > own, we may need to consider developing some applications to present it,
> > such as ML/AI. so I would like to call a vote to make a community wide
> > decision on this new direction for Mnemonic, please vote, and we can
> > definitely do further discussion on it after it, thanks.
> >
> > Please vote accordingly,
> >
> > [] +1 approve
> > [] +0 no opinion
> > [] -1 disapprove  with a reason
> >
> > Thank you all for your participation.
> >
> > Best,
> > Gordon
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 11:56 PM Gordon  wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Sander,
> > >
> > > Sorry for the late reply, I submitted the report for the Mnemonic
> > > community and will discuss with our PMCs to make a decision on the
> > > direction of our project/community, thanks.
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > > Gordon.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Mar 16, 2024 at 6:19 AM Sander Striker 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Dear Mnemonic community,
> > >>
> > >> In the Apache governance model, the ASF board delegates responsibility
> > for
> > >> managing projects to PMCs. This allows projects to govern themselves,
> in
> > >> terms
> > >> of their own development goals, guidelines, and volunteer spirit,
> within
> > >> the
> > >> scope of our purpose as an open source foundation. The state allows us
> > to
> > >> supply an umbrella of corporate protection to our projects and
> > >> volunteers, but
> > >> only to the extent that we retain active and effective oversight of
> each
> > >> project's operation on behalf of the public's interest.
> > >>
> > >> To enable the board to provide oversight across the foundation, each
> PMC
> > >> is
> > >> tasked with providing the board a quarterly report on the health of
> > their
> > >> project. This allows us to hear your heartbeat, to see the project
> > through
> > >> your eyes, and to inform the public through our meeting minutes.
> > >>
> > >> The board has noticed that the reports for Mnemonic have been missed
> > >> for a number of months. This makes us sad because we have lost that
> > >> ability
> > >> to communicate with you, to see what may be preventing your good
> health,
> > >> and to ensure that we are providing the services that you need to
> > continue
> > >> as an Apache project.
> > >>
> > >> The reports to the board are normally written by the PMC chair but all
> > PMC
> > >> members have an individual responsibility to ensure that a report is
> > >> submitted. If the PMC chair is not available then any PMC member can
> > >> submit
> > >> the report. If you need help with this process, please reach out to
> > >> bo...@apache.org
> > >>
> > >> Please ensure that a report for Mnemonic is submitted to the board
> > >> for the next meeting on Wed, 20 Mar 2024 at 21:00 UTC.
> > >>
> > >> If the PMC chair is not going to be available for an extended period
> of
> > >> time,
> > >> it may make sense to rotate the PMC chair. Rotating the PMC chair does
> > not
> > >> mean the current chair has failed. People's situations and interests
> > >> change;
> > >> rotation is good as it allows more people to become familiar with that
> > >> role.
> > >> Again, if assistance is required with this process, please feel free
> to
> > >> reach out to bo...@apache.org
> > >>
> > >> As projects mature, they will naturally reach a point where activity
> > >> reduces
> > >> to a level that the project is no longer sustainable. At Apache,
> > projects
> > >> reach this stage when there are no longer 3 active PMC members
> providing
> > >> oversight. Projects that reach this stage are placed in our Attic,
> where
> > >> they continue to be accessible to the public but are not portrayed as
> > >> having
> > >> an active community for maintenance.
> > >>
> > >> http://attic.apache.org/
> > >>
> > >> If Mnemonic has reached this point, please reach out to the Attic
> > project
> > >> to arrange transfer. On the other hand, if your project is mostly
> > dormant
> > >> but
> > >> still has at least three active PMC members, it can remain in that
> state

Re: [VOTE] The new direction for project Mnemonic

2024-03-18 Thread Xiaojin Jiao

+1, thanks.
--
Best Regards,


Xiaojin Jiao



On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 9:58 AM Gordon  wrote:

> Hi Mnemonic contributors and PMCs,
>
> As the benefits of non-volatile memory technology are very limited on its
> own, we may need to consider developing some applications to present it,
> such as ML/AI. so I would like to call a vote to make a community wide
> decision on this new direction for Mnemonic, please vote, and we can
> definitely do further discussion on it after it, thanks.
>
> Please vote accordingly,
>
> [] +1 approve
> [] +0 no opinion
> [] -1 disapprove  with a reason
>
> Thank you all for your participation.
>
> Best,
> Gordon
>
> On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 11:56 PM Gordon  wrote:
>
> > Dear Sander,
> >
> > Sorry for the late reply, I submitted the report for the Mnemonic
> > community and will discuss with our PMCs to make a decision on the
> > direction of our project/community, thanks.
> >
> > Best regards
> > Gordon.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 16, 2024 at 6:19 AM Sander Striker 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Mnemonic community,
> >>
> >> In the Apache governance model, the ASF board delegates responsibility
> for
> >> managing projects to PMCs. This allows projects to govern themselves, in
> >> terms
> >> of their own development goals, guidelines, and volunteer spirit, within
> >> the
> >> scope of our purpose as an open source foundation. The state allows us
> to
> >> supply an umbrella of corporate protection to our projects and
> >> volunteers, but
> >> only to the extent that we retain active and effective oversight of each
> >> project's operation on behalf of the public's interest.
> >>
> >> To enable the board to provide oversight across the foundation, each PMC
> >> is
> >> tasked with providing the board a quarterly report on the health of
> their
> >> project. This allows us to hear your heartbeat, to see the project
> through
> >> your eyes, and to inform the public through our meeting minutes.
> >>
> >> The board has noticed that the reports for Mnemonic have been missed
> >> for a number of months. This makes us sad because we have lost that
> >> ability
> >> to communicate with you, to see what may be preventing your good health,
> >> and to ensure that we are providing the services that you need to
> continue
> >> as an Apache project.
> >>
> >> The reports to the board are normally written by the PMC chair but all
> PMC
> >> members have an individual responsibility to ensure that a report is
> >> submitted. If the PMC chair is not available then any PMC member can
> >> submit
> >> the report. If you need help with this process, please reach out to
> >> bo...@apache.org
> >>
> >> Please ensure that a report for Mnemonic is submitted to the board
> >> for the next meeting on Wed, 20 Mar 2024 at 21:00 UTC.
> >>
> >> If the PMC chair is not going to be available for an extended period of
> >> time,
> >> it may make sense to rotate the PMC chair. Rotating the PMC chair does
> not
> >> mean the current chair has failed. People's situations and interests
> >> change;
> >> rotation is good as it allows more people to become familiar with that
> >> role.
> >> Again, if assistance is required with this process, please feel free to
> >> reach out to bo...@apache.org
> >>
> >> As projects mature, they will naturally reach a point where activity
> >> reduces
> >> to a level that the project is no longer sustainable. At Apache,
> projects
> >> reach this stage when there are no longer 3 active PMC members providing
> >> oversight. Projects that reach this stage are placed in our Attic, where
> >> they continue to be accessible to the public but are not portrayed as
> >> having
> >> an active community for maintenance.
> >>
> >> http://attic.apache.org/
> >>
> >> If Mnemonic has reached this point, please reach out to the Attic
> project
> >> to arrange transfer. On the other hand, if your project is mostly
> dormant
> >> but
> >> still has at least three active PMC members, it can remain in that state
> >> for
> >> as long as needed. If your project is in such a state, please mention
> >> that in
> >> your report and verify the PMC's state at regular intervals.
> >>
> >> Finally, if you have any questions, please feel free to reach out to
> >> bo...@apache.org.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> The ASF Board
> >>
> >
>

Re: [VOTE] The new direction for project Mnemonic

2024-03-18 Thread Chenyang Li

Ml/ai will be interesting to add, but the problem is I don’t see a clear
interception from Mnemonic project.

Does anybody have any ideas on this?
Chenyang

< = >
LESS IS MORE


On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 9:58 AM Gordon  wrote:

> Hi Mnemonic contributors and PMCs,
>
> As the benefits of non-volatile memory technology are very limited on its
> own, we may need to consider developing some applications to present it,
> such as ML/AI. so I would like to call a vote to make a community wide
> decision on this new direction for Mnemonic, please vote, and we can
> definitely do further discussion on it after it, thanks.
>
> Please vote accordingly,
>
> [] +1 approve
> [] +0 no opinion
> [] -1 disapprove  with a reason
>
> Thank you all for your participation.
>
> Best,
> Gordon
>
> On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 11:56 PM Gordon  wrote:
>
> > Dear Sander,
> >
> > Sorry for the late reply, I submitted the report for the Mnemonic
> > community and will discuss with our PMCs to make a decision on the
> > direction of our project/community, thanks.
> >
> > Best regards
> > Gordon.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 16, 2024 at 6:19 AM Sander Striker 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Mnemonic community,
> >>
> >> In the Apache governance model, the ASF board delegates responsibility
> for
> >> managing projects to PMCs. This allows projects to govern themselves, in
> >> terms
> >> of their own development goals, guidelines, and volunteer spirit, within
> >> the
> >> scope of our purpose as an open source foundation. The state allows us
> to
> >> supply an umbrella of corporate protection to our projects and
> >> volunteers, but
> >> only to the extent that we retain active and effective oversight of each
> >> project's operation on behalf of the public's interest.
> >>
> >> To enable the board to provide oversight across the foundation, each PMC
> >> is
> >> tasked with providing the board a quarterly report on the health of
> their
> >> project. This allows us to hear your heartbeat, to see the project
> through
> >> your eyes, and to inform the public through our meeting minutes.
> >>
> >> The board has noticed that the reports for Mnemonic have been missed
> >> for a number of months. This makes us sad because we have lost that
> >> ability
> >> to communicate with you, to see what may be preventing your good health,
> >> and to ensure that we are providing the services that you need to
> continue
> >> as an Apache project.
> >>
> >> The reports to the board are normally written by the PMC chair but all
> PMC
> >> members have an individual responsibility to ensure that a report is
> >> submitted. If the PMC chair is not available then any PMC member can
> >> submit
> >> the report. If you need help with this process, please reach out to
> >> bo...@apache.org
> >>
> >> Please ensure that a report for Mnemonic is submitted to the board
> >> for the next meeting on Wed, 20 Mar 2024 at 21:00 UTC.
> >>
> >> If the PMC chair is not going to be available for an extended period of
> >> time,
> >> it may make sense to rotate the PMC chair. Rotating the PMC chair does
> not
> >> mean the current chair has failed. People's situations and interests
> >> change;
> >> rotation is good as it allows more people to become familiar with that
> >> role.
> >> Again, if assistance is required with this process, please feel free to
> >> reach out to bo...@apache.org
> >>
> >> As projects mature, they will naturally reach a point where activity
> >> reduces
> >> to a level that the project is no longer sustainable. At Apache,
> projects
> >> reach this stage when there are no longer 3 active PMC members providing
> >> oversight. Projects that reach this stage are placed in our Attic, where
> >> they continue to be accessible to the public but are not portrayed as
> >> having
> >> an active community for maintenance.
> >>
> >> http://attic.apache.org/
> >>
> >> If Mnemonic has reached this point, please reach out to the Attic
> project
> >> to arrange transfer. On the other hand, if your project is mostly
> dormant
> >> but
> >> still has at least three active PMC members, it can remain in that state
> >> for
> >> as long as needed. If your project is in such a state, please mention
> >> that in
> >> your report and verify the PMC's state at regular intervals.
> >>
> >> Finally, if you have any questions, please feel free to reach out to
> >> bo...@apache.org.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> The ASF Board
> >>
> >
>

Re: [VOTE] The new direction for project Mnemonic

2024-03-18 Thread Gordon

+1, Thanks.


On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 9:57 AM Gordon  wrote:

> Hi Mnemonic contributors and PMCs,
>
> As the benefits of non-volatile memory technology are very limited on its
> own, we may need to consider developing some applications to present it,
> such as ML/AI. so I would like to call a vote to make a community wide
> decision on this new direction for Mnemonic, please vote, and we can
> definitely do further discussion on it after it, thanks.
>
> Please vote accordingly,
>
> [] +1 approve
> [] +0 no opinion
> [] -1 disapprove  with a reason
>
> Thank you all for your participation.
>
> Best,
> Gordon
>
> On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 11:56 PM Gordon  wrote:
>
>> Dear Sander,
>>
>> Sorry for the late reply, I submitted the report for the Mnemonic
>> community and will discuss with our PMCs to make a decision on the
>> direction of our project/community, thanks.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Gordon.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 16, 2024 at 6:19 AM Sander Striker 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Mnemonic community,
>>>
>>> In the Apache governance model, the ASF board delegates responsibility
>>> for
>>> managing projects to PMCs. This allows projects to govern themselves, in
>>> terms
>>> of their own development goals, guidelines, and volunteer spirit, within
>>> the
>>> scope of our purpose as an open source foundation. The state allows us to
>>> supply an umbrella of corporate protection to our projects and
>>> volunteers, but
>>> only to the extent that we retain active and effective oversight of each
>>> project's operation on behalf of the public's interest.
>>>
>>> To enable the board to provide oversight across the foundation, each PMC
>>> is
>>> tasked with providing the board a quarterly report on the health of their
>>> project. This allows us to hear your heartbeat, to see the project
>>> through
>>> your eyes, and to inform the public through our meeting minutes.
>>>
>>> The board has noticed that the reports for Mnemonic have been missed
>>> for a number of months. This makes us sad because we have lost that
>>> ability
>>> to communicate with you, to see what may be preventing your good health,
>>> and to ensure that we are providing the services that you need to
>>> continue
>>> as an Apache project.
>>>
>>> The reports to the board are normally written by the PMC chair but all
>>> PMC
>>> members have an individual responsibility to ensure that a report is
>>> submitted. If the PMC chair is not available then any PMC member can
>>> submit
>>> the report. If you need help with this process, please reach out to
>>> bo...@apache.org
>>>
>>> Please ensure that a report for Mnemonic is submitted to the board
>>> for the next meeting on Wed, 20 Mar 2024 at 21:00 UTC.
>>>
>>> If the PMC chair is not going to be available for an extended period of
>>> time,
>>> it may make sense to rotate the PMC chair. Rotating the PMC chair does
>>> not
>>> mean the current chair has failed. People's situations and interests
>>> change;
>>> rotation is good as it allows more people to become familiar with that
>>> role.
>>> Again, if assistance is required with this process, please feel free to
>>> reach out to bo...@apache.org
>>>
>>> As projects mature, they will naturally reach a point where activity
>>> reduces
>>> to a level that the project is no longer sustainable. At Apache, projects
>>> reach this stage when there are no longer 3 active PMC members providing
>>> oversight. Projects that reach this stage are placed in our Attic, where
>>> they continue to be accessible to the public but are not portrayed as
>>> having
>>> an active community for maintenance.
>>>
>>> http://attic.apache.org/
>>>
>>> If Mnemonic has reached this point, please reach out to the Attic project
>>> to arrange transfer. On the other hand, if your project is mostly
>>> dormant but
>>> still has at least three active PMC members, it can remain in that state
>>> for
>>> as long as needed. If your project is in such a state, please mention
>>> that in
>>> your report and verify the PMC's state at regular intervals.
>>>
>>> Finally, if you have any questions, please feel free to reach out to
>>> bo...@apache.org.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> The ASF Board
>>>
>>

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