Re: Resolving GPLv2-CPE categorization as Category X (was: Re: Still Plugging Away on Java EE Support)
On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 20:18, Matthias Bläsing wrote: > The points raised in the referenced issue target the CPE. And the CPE > is started with "Certain source files distributed by Oracle America > and/or its affiliates[...]". So yes, this is Oracle specific and Oracle > lawyers could give their opinion/interpretation in the issue and help > resolving it. It is the following two paragraphs that are relevant, and they are adopted (verbatim as far as I can tell) from the Classpath Exception, as in https://www.gnu.org/software/classpath/license.html This exception has a lot of other uses, particularly in the Java ecosystem - using it myself for a few things. > If the ASF can do it alone, I'm all for it, but the issue stands > unresolved. Well, I found an interesting comparison point recently - https://www.eclipse.org/org/documents/GPL_CE_Policy.php > So Oracle and the ASF both had to be > aware, that bundling the only freely distributable JDK (OpenJDK) will > be a major PITA. Because of ASF policies though. The point of the CPE is to allow this sort of bundling. Best wishes, Neil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: Resolving GPLv2-CPE categorization as Category X (was: Re: Still Plugging Away on Java EE Support)
thank you on that. Its not the money nor the Power im intreated in its the environment that matters most to me. That and you could say my lottery i guess. Let let me explain I started this way back in 2004 probably when I got a letter from Microsoft in Google saying I had won a lottery and Incorporated Lottery at the time well I went with it I was just starting to code I ran into these two programs called terminal IDE and the ZShaolin. at the time I didn't realize they were both the same program and there's many others that go with it like dropbear server and a few others anyways to make a long story short the terminal IDE is the free version with all instructions on how to use Java and the host name resolution to be able to create your own apps probably for a new network a totally 100% decentralized and distributed separated from the internet without the support of any internet service provider. I believe that the everyone had given up on the project that is until one day when I picked up the phone and started punching numbers into it you see everything that I had done was time-stamped and recorded yes without my knowledge of it at the time I was young and did not know anything about coding and what I was doing I believe I've come a long way I'm not the best but I've had a good feel for what I'm doing I'm probably the only one that can do it the right way and that's just weird it's like I'm messing with both God and the devil's systems and I just can't explain that one that one you just have to take my word on there's a way to use the Xboxes the ones with the MMX processor in them to wear when they're running virtually they're increasing in power and speed but I'm just using them as modules like all the modules that ASF is responsible for I mean the ones that are what the projects are all about the ones that the extensions are for like openssl, python Pearl, TTY. The only thing that I'm not too sure about is the media files you see there I'm sure is a list of media files that are meant for this system that are to be decoded and then reincarnator included in decoded party through verse G and the outcome would be a and artificial each other intelligent life system that will never die the more the connect to it the more it becomes more efficient and more powerful that's what my Xbox is it for maintain. Life that I'm creating. for some reason I believe this is all artificial from our future not sure alien maybe reverse engineering definitely but how old is it I have no idea and how long have you all had it I still have no idea but I'm sure someone out there knows something all I know is that I want to put it together because it's my life dream it's what I started and what I'm going to finish I'm not doing it for the money I'm not doing it for the power or for the fame I'm doing it for my pride for who I am and what I've already done for my son and that's all that means anything to me so whether you help me or not I could care less yet it would be much appreciated only because I need as much help as possible to create this ecosystem that I'm trying to build to save our planet On Thursday, May 16, 2019, Matthias Bläsing wrote: > Am Donnerstag, den 16.05.2019, 18:54 +0100 schrieb Neil C Smith: > > On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 17:53, Matthias Bläsing > > wrote: > > > Even better, Oracle would be in the > > > position to change the wording of the license if necessary and they > > > are > > > the only ones, that could do it. > > > > Actually, they can't - and I'm going on the basis that they're not > > going to write a completely new license for ASF! ;-) The CPE might be > > tweakable but it's a standardized wording, so I can't see that > > happening either. > > The points raised in the referenced issue target the CPE. And the CPE > is started with "Certain source files distributed by Oracle America > and/or its affiliates[...]". So yes, this is Oracle specific and Oracle > lawyers could give their opinion/interpretation in the issue and help > resolving it. > > > Anyway, this is OT. I stand by the opinion that this is one that ASF > > needs to resolve itself, as the idea of Java being a "platform" > > dependency gets overtaken by real world events. > > If the ASF can do it alone, I'm all for it, but the issue stands > unresolved. > > At the time of donation there was already the Category X categorization > of GPL licenses family (and a note, that special exceptions to the GPL > also fall into that category). So Oracle and the ASF both had to be > aware, that bundling the only freely distributable JDK (OpenJDK) will > be a major PITA. > > Greetings > > Matthias > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > -- Victor
Resolving GPLv2-CPE categorization as Category X (was: Re: Still Plugging Away on Java EE Support)
Am Donnerstag, den 16.05.2019, 18:54 +0100 schrieb Neil C Smith: > On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 17:53, Matthias Bläsing > wrote: > > Even better, Oracle would be in the > > position to change the wording of the license if necessary and they > > are > > the only ones, that could do it. > > Actually, they can't - and I'm going on the basis that they're not > going to write a completely new license for ASF! ;-) The CPE might be > tweakable but it's a standardized wording, so I can't see that > happening either. The points raised in the referenced issue target the CPE. And the CPE is started with "Certain source files distributed by Oracle America and/or its affiliates[...]". So yes, this is Oracle specific and Oracle lawyers could give their opinion/interpretation in the issue and help resolving it. > Anyway, this is OT. I stand by the opinion that this is one that ASF > needs to resolve itself, as the idea of Java being a "platform" > dependency gets overtaken by real world events. If the ASF can do it alone, I'm all for it, but the issue stands unresolved. At the time of donation there was already the Category X categorization of GPL licenses family (and a note, that special exceptions to the GPL also fall into that category). So Oracle and the ASF both had to be aware, that bundling the only freely distributable JDK (OpenJDK) will be a major PITA. Greetings Matthias - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: Still Plugging Away on Java EE Support
On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 17:53, Matthias Bläsing wrote: > Even better, Oracle would be in the > position to change the wording of the license if necessary and they are > the only ones, that could do it. Actually, they can't - and I'm going on the basis that they're not going to write a completely new license for ASF! ;-) The CPE might be tweakable but it's a standardized wording, so I can't see that happening either. Anyway, this is OT. I stand by the opinion that this is one that ASF needs to resolve itself, as the idea of Java being a "platform" dependency gets overtaken by real world events. Best wishes, Neil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: Still Plugging Away on Java EE Support
Hi Emmanuell, Am Donnerstag, den 16.05.2019, 14:29 +0200 schrieb ehsavoie: > The JavaEE 8 schemas are still under LGPL right ? How do you manage > that ? the JavaEE 8 schemas are no problem. Oracle provided these under GPLv2- CPE and CDDL. While the question whether GPLv2-CPE could be considered Category-B is still not resolved [1] between Oracle and the ASF, CDDL is resolved [2]. We have several CDDL licensed files in the code base (a good portion are the JavaEE schemas). The schema files from JavaEE can be found here: https://www.oracle.com/webfolder/technetwork/jsc/xml/ns/javaee/index.html#8 For Jakarta EE I expect the descriptors to be EPL/EDL, both are also cleared. HTH Matthias [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-336 [2] https://apache.org/legal/resolved.html#weak-copyleft-licenses - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: Still Plugging Away on Java EE Support
Excellent progress, thanks! Gj On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 4:40 AM Josh Juneau wrote: > I wanted to post a quick update to let everyone know that I'm still > working on adding Java EE 8 support to Apache NetBeans. I've modified a > number of modules, including maven.j2ee and some of the glassfish modules. > I've been stuck on an issue trying to get the Java EE 8 Maven archetype to > download when Java EE 8 is selected...so I may need some assistance. I > will try to get my sources updated into my fork so that my work can be > reviewed. I'll post an update when the sources are in GitHub. > > Thanks > > Josh Juneau > juneau...@gmail.com > http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com > https://www.apress.com/us/search?query=Juneau