RE: Splash Screen Lettering Size

[Kenneth Fogel]

Not quite, that issue refers to a 4K display. I have added a comment to the 
issue about the splash screen size on 1920x1080  Windows systems. I work on 
three systems each with different video hardware and the text is much too small 
on all three.

Ken


-Original Message-
From: Antonio  
Sent: April 7, 2019 3:43 AM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Splash Screen Lettering Size

Hi Kenneth,

That's https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-378?src=confmacro 
, I think.

See also Eirik's HiDPI effort here 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/HiDPI+%28Retina%29+improvements

Cheers,
Antonio

El 06/04/2019 a las 22:26, Kenneth Fogel escribió:
> I'm certain I'm not the first person to raise this issue but the opening 
> splash screen really needs, in my opinion, one significant change. Its not an 
> error but a matter of graphic design. The text on this screen needs to be 4 
> times larger. Not 2x, at least 3x and probably 4x. From a marketing point of 
> view I believe the brand name must stand out. Right now it appears as a 
> footnote.
> 
> Ken Fogel
> 
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Splash Screen Lettering Size

[Kenneth Fogel]

I'm certain I'm not the first person to raise this issue but the opening splash 
screen really needs, in my opinion, one significant change. Its not an error 
but a matter of graphic design. The text on this screen needs to be 4 times 
larger. Not 2x, at least 3x and probably 4x. From a marketing point of view I 
believe the brand name must stand out. Right now it appears as a footnote.

Ken Fogel


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RE: ApacheCon September 9-12

[Kenneth Fogel]

Great to hear that you are making a proposal. While my college is willing to 
let me out for a week for CodeOne I don't think they will let me out for two 
weeks. There may be assistance for travel and accommodation at this conference.

Ken


-Original Message-
From: Toni Epple  
Sent: March 29, 2019 12:39 AM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: ApacheCon September 9-12

Hi Ken, I’m planning to go there and submit a session. I‘d be happy to team up 
with anyone who would like to join.

—toni

Von meinem iPad gesendet

> Am 28.03.2019 um 15:03 schrieb Kenneth Fogel :
> 
> Hi,
>  
> The CFP deadline for this coming year’s ApacheCon is May 13. Its happening 
> the week before CodeOne. I was fortunate to speak at last year’s conference 
> held here in Montreal. I believe that NetBeans needs a presence here. Is 
> there anyone who could put together a proposal?
>  
> Ken Fogel
>  
> 
> Co- Chairperson and Co-Program Coordinator Computer Science Technology 
> Dawson College
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ApacheCon September 9-12

[Kenneth Fogel]

Hi,

The CFP deadline for this coming year's ApacheCon is May 13. Its happening the 
week before CodeOne. I was fortunate to speak at last year's conference held 
here in Montreal. I believe that NetBeans needs a presence here. Is there 
anyone who could put together a proposal?

Ken Fogel

[SmallKen2018]
Co- Chairperson and Co-Program Coordinator
Computer Science Technology
Dawson College
3040 Sherbrooke St. W
Westmount, Quebec
H3Z 1A4, Canada
Tel: 514-931-8731 x 4799
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Re: [VOTE] Apache NetBeans graduation to Top Level Project

[Kenneth Fogel]

+1

Our time has come.

RE: [VOTE] PMC chair for Apache NetBeans

[Kenneth Fogel]

+1

-Original Message-
From: Glenn Holmer  
Sent: March 1, 2019 9:29 AM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: [VOTE] PMC chair for Apache NetBeans

This voting thread is to confirm Geertjan Wielenga as the first PMC chair of 
NetBeans as we leave incubation and begin our journey as a top-level Apache 
project. As an Oracle employee, Geertjan has been in a unique position to help 
guide the project to independence and is the best choice to complete that 
process.

As a reminder, here are the duties of the PMC chair:

http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair

Please indicate your vote with +1, 0, or -1.

--
Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season came the 
aftermath -- and Cenbe."

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RE: testing servlets

[Kenneth Fogel]

I'm teaching Servlets, JSPs and JSF this semester. I use Payara 5, EE8 and Java 
8 and NetBeans 8.2 is the IDE we use. If I can be of assistance contact me at 
kfo...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca.

Ken


-Original Message-
From: joe schmo  
Sent: February 20, 2019 11:34 AM
To: d...@netbeans.apache.org
Subject: testing servlets

Can someone help me with setting up a deployment server to test servlets?

Thanks

BC

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RE: JPA ORM - Standalone or Server

[Kenneth Fogel]

I must admit my ignorance, usually a daily occurrence, and ask for the link 
where I can make suggestions/issues for the ORM and the default pom.xml file 
for Maven projects.

Ken


-Original Message-
From: Geertjan Wielenga  
Sent: January 28, 2019 4:15 PM
To: dev 
Subject: Re: JPA ORM - Standalone or Server

Excellent, create an issue, describe in great detail what is needed where and 
let's do it.

Gj

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 9:59 PM Kenneth Fogel 
wrote:

> Currently NetBeans generates code for JPA controllers for a standalone 
> application. I have to explain to my students how to make the 
> necessary changes to support CDI and server managed connections. May I 
> suggest that supporting server/CDI based code be added to the choices for JPA.
>
> Ken Fogel
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Apache NetBeans Version Number - Future Dating

[Kenneth Fogel]

With IntelliJ and Eclipse using the year.month approach may I suggest doing the 
same thing but instead of the release date we use the date it goes stale such 
as when the next release is expected. This way we will usually appear more up 
to date than the other IDEs. Though, I still like my moons of Jupiter idea.

Ken


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RE: What to do with features for EARs and EJBs?

[Kenneth Fogel]

Have I missed something? Have EJBs and EARs been deprecated? If not then why 
are we discussing whether or not to include them or what to call them.

Ken


-Original Message-
From: Antonio  
Sent: January 28, 2019 3:13 PM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: What to do with features for EARs and EJBs?

So I assume you can call it either "Vintage" or "Legacy".

That's what people call me at home too... X-D

El 28/1/19 a las 21:10, Antonio escribió:
> Once upon a long time ago (when I was young) that was called... J2EE 
> :-)
> 
> El 28/1/19 a las 21:06, Geertjan Wielenga escribió:
>> OK, OK, let's assume everyone continues to say 'keep it', the 
>> question is how do we call those categories, one is right now 'Java 
>> Web' and the other 'Java EE', does that still make sense? In the 
>> referenced blog entry, I suggest 'Modern Java EE' and 'Vintage Java 
>> EE', or should it be as it is, or different, if so, how?
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 8:59 PM Tomas Poledny  wrote:
>>
>>> +1 to keep. I am using it on my current project.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 28, 2019, 20:54 Gary Bello >>
 +1 for ejb/ear support

 On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 11:52 AM Andreas Ernst  wrote:

> +1 to keep the EAR and EJB support. YES, please.
>
> Am 28.01.19 um 20:42 schrieb Gaurav Gupta:
>> +1 to keep the EAR and EJB support.
>>
>> On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 at 1:07 AM, Antonio  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Last year I had to help out a customer that was stuck in Java 6 
>>> / WebLogic 8. NetBeans was of great help for me.
>>>
>>> I'd try to keep the EAR/EJB functionality. Don't know if as a 
>>> plugin
 or
>>> bundled in the IDE, though.
>>>
>>> Maybe it saves the day to somebody else in the future.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Antonio
>>>
>>> El 28/1/19 a las 20:05, Geertjan Wielenga escribió:
 Hi all,

 Especially to Java/Jakarta EE people out there, e.g., Ivar, 
 Josh,
> David,
>>> at
 least -- please advise what should be done with the EAR and EJB
> support,
>>> as
 described here:


>>>
>

>>> https://blogs.apache.org/netbeans/entry/enterprise-cluster-integrate
>>> d-into-apache
>>>

 And, hurray, thanks Matthias especially, and Vikas, Arunava,
>>> Sarvesh,
> and
 Reema, for a lot of work on relicensing, for getting the 
 enterprise
>>> cluster
 integrated!

 Gj

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JPA ORM - Standalone or Server

[Kenneth Fogel]

Currently NetBeans generates code for JPA controllers for a standalone 
application. I have to explain to my students how to make the necessary changes 
to support CDI and server managed connections. May I suggest that supporting 
server/CDI based code be added to the choices for JPA.

Ken Fogel

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RE: [VOTE] Apache NetBeans Version Number: 11.0

[Kenneth Fogel]

0

Ken


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Re: [VOTE] Apache NetBeans Version Number: 2019.03

[Kenneth Fogel]

+1

Ken Fogel



From: Laszlo Kishalmi 
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2019 10:51 PM
To: Apache NetBeans
Subject: [VOTE] Apache NetBeans Version Number: 2019.03

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Dear all,

Well, it is time to finalize out version scheme for a while. There will
be three voting threads created on this topic with subjects:

* [VOTE] Apache NetBeans Version Number: 11
* [VOTE] Apache NetBeans Version Number: 11.0
* [VOTE] Apache NetBeans Version Number: 2019.03

Everyone from the community can cast his/her own vote on each thread as:

+1 I like it, let's do this way
0 I'm Ok with it, does not particularly like it, but won't mind it
-1 I do not like it at all.

Each thread is going to be open for 72+ hours and going to be closed at
the same time. Regardless from the number of votes, that version number
would win which has the greatest sum of the vote values.

Voting is a community event! Be a proud community member and cast your
vote!

Thank you!

Laszlo Kishalmi

Volunteer Release Manager of Apache NetBeans 2019.03

P.S.: Please keep this thread for voting only!

RE: Apache NetBeans 11 or 11.0 ?

[Kenneth Fogel]

We could use seemingly random words like Eclipse does so that no one knows what 
the most recent version is. For example, we could use the names of the 63 moons 
of Jupiter, the planet with the most moons. Also, select them randomly, users 
will catch on if we do it alphabetically. Here are the 51 named moons:

AdrasteaErinome Isonoe  Sponde
Aitne   Euanthe KaleTaygete
AmaltheaEukeladeKallichore  Thebe
Ananke  Euporie Kalyke  Thelxinoe
Aoede   Europa  KoreThemisto
Arche   EurydomeLedaThyone
Autonoe GanymedeLysithea
Callirrhoe  Harpalyke   Megaclite   
CallistoHegemoneMetis   
Carme   Helike  Mneme   
Carpo   HermippeOrthosie
ChaldeneHerse   Pasiphae
Cyllene Himalia Pasithee
Dia Io  Praxidike   
Elara   Iocaste Sinope  

There are about 12 more moons with numeric names awaiting formal names.

Ken

DawsCon Update

[Kenneth Fogel]

As it stands now over 350 have registered for the event here in Montreal on 
Friday, January 11. How many actually show is the question. As a free event we 
tend to have more no-shows. I have asked all the participants who may have 
changed their mind to cancel their ticket at Eventbrite but very few have. We 
had a waiting list with over 40 people on it so I have converted them into 
available tickets.

I will expect some of you to come and present at next year's event on January 
10, 2020. I usually start looking for speakers for next year the day after this 
year's conference. I snared Josh Long last January.

Ken

NB 10, 8.2 EE Plugins and WildFly

[Kenneth Fogel]

TL;DR NetBeans 10, Java 11, NB 8.2 EE plugins and WildFly 15 don't work 
consistently.

When I used the recent binary for NB 10, the WildFly plugin from the 8.2 EE 
plugins no longer functioned. It went thru the motions but WildFly did not 
appear as a server. It did work in vc3. So, I decided to compile the latest 
version from the sources zip found at 
https://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans/incubating-10.0/incubating-netbeans-10.0-source.zip.

When I neglected to change my JAVA_HOME from 11 back to 8 it would not compile 
with Ant which is expected. What troubled me was that the errors that came in 
the 1 minutes and 30 seconds that it ran mainly had to do with missing XML 
libraries. I suspect that these are the libraries that Oracle removed. Will it 
ever be possible to compile NetBeans with JDL 11 or greater?

I changed the JAVA_HOME to point to Java 8 and ANT was happy and it started to 
compile. What is puzzling is the continuous stream of warnings either with 
Generic notation, deprecated classes or using soon to be forbidden Java 
internals. A common warning is : warning: unknown enum constant When.ALWAYS" 
along with a number of other "When" enums.

Compile on Windows took 41 minutes. I have been told that on Linux it takes 
about half that time. Despite all the warnings NetBeans started up fine now 
using JDK 11.

With nb up and running I went immediately to Tools -> Plugins and updated 
nbjavac Library and Oracle JS Parser Implementation.
I went to Plugins -> Settings and activated NetBeans 8.2 plugin portal.
I went to Plugins -> Installed and activated them all.
I went to  Plugins -> Available Plugin and checked off Check for Newest and all 
the 8.2 plugins appeared. I selected all the Java Web and EE plugins and the 
REST HTML 5 Client. In total there were 11 plugins selected.
Next I setup a connection to MySQL. I went to the Services tab and right mouse 
clicked on Servers and selected new connection.
For the MySQL (Connector/J driver) I added the MySQL 8 driver.
On the next screen I needed to edit the JDBC URL. It defaults to:
jdbc:mysql://localhost:3306/mysql?zeroDateTimeBehavior=convertToNull
but MySQL 8 requires:
jdbc:mysql://localhost:3306/mysql?zeroDateTimeBehavior=CONVERT_TO_NULL
Final step was to add the WildFly server. 
No change, I can select WildFly, point to its folder and get the domain field 
correctly filled in from previous attempts. But when I give the final OK the 
server does not appear under Servers.

Now it gets interesting. After the third attempt to add WildFly it worked and 
it appeared under Servers. Then I closed NetBeans, restarted and the WildFly 
server was no longer shown. Attempts to add it back failed even though nb did 
remember the WildFly setup. I need consistent behaviour in the classroom and it 
does not look like nb 10 in an EE environment can do it.

All of this means that I will have to use NetBeans 8.2, Java 8 and Payara as I 
have for the past two years. This will have a minimal impact on my curriculum 
other than having to explain why we are still using a 4 year old version of 
Java. Sigh.

Ken








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Testing for my Winter courses

[Kenneth Fogel]

Installed AdoptOpenJDK 11.01
WildFly 15.0.0
NetBeans 10 vc4 and added 8.2 EE plugins
All under Windows 10 and all using Java 11.

My first JSF sample program, Maven based, compiled and deployed to WildFly. 
WildFly was successfully started from inside NetBeans.
NetBeans did not start the browser but if I entered the URL my first JSF demo 
worked. Only 59 more programs to test. For now I will assume issues I have are 
my fault or may be related to the 8.2 EE plugin.

If testing goes well I'll deploy Java 11, WildFly and NB 10 at school for use 
next semester. 

Is there an ETA for the release candidate (apologies if this has been mentioned 
before)?

If there is no interest in this let me know and I'll just restrict myself to 
Twitter for updates.

Ken




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RE: NetBeans - the UI for Maven

[Kenneth Fogel]

Let me add to the chorus recognizing that Maven should be the default build 
system. Other than my first Intro to Java courses, all my other courses require 
the use of Maven. NetBeans always did it best and its time to make Ant the 
option and Maven the standard. 

I also agree that Graadle should be a first class citizen but the default 
should go to Maven.

I'd also like to see that the decision on the build system should be made after 
the project type and not before, as it is now.

Finally, how about a wizard to simplify creating archetypes in Maven.

Ken


-Original Message-
From: Jaroslav Tulach  
Sent: November 24, 2018 2:54 AM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Cc: us...@maven.apache.org
Subject: NetBeans - the UI for Maven

Hi guys,
the Apache NetBeans release 10 is (almost) finished and ready for download. 
Time to look forward: Long live Apache NetBeans - the UI for Apache Maven!

NetBeans is known for its excellent Maven support. Time to bring it to new 
level - time to lead all NetBeans newbies directly into Maven hands:

Whenever one creates new Java project from scratch a Maven project should be 
created.

Currently the default project type is Ant based, but as Jesse Glick (the author 
of the Ant based projects integration) once asked: "Is anybody still using 
that!?" That is the question! Newcomers use it, but otherwise it is useless 
dead end road. Starting new Ant based project in a year 2018 is a nonsence!

The current duality of Ant/Maven project support also wastes precious NetBeans 
development resources - features are usually implemented for Ant based projects 
first and only then ported to Maven. That's misfocused and upside down. 

Let's make the switch and offer Maven projects by default. Maven is well suited 
for the task: it is standard, well adopted build system. Maven comes with 
project archetypes that will serve as great starting templates for our newly 
generated project. 

What will change? Not the code, but the presentation: When one invokes "New 
Project" in NetBeans 11, there should be:

Java:
  - Java Application
  - Java Frontend Application
  - Project from Archetype
  - POM Project
  - NetBeans Application

Ant(ic)/Java:
  - Java Free-Form Project
  - Java Modular Project
  - Java Project with Existing Sources
  - Java Class Library
  - Java Application

Ant(ic)/JavaFX:
  - JavaFX Application
  - JavaFX Preloader
  - JavaFX FXML Application
  - JavaFX in Swing Application
  - JavaFX Project with Existing Sources

Ant(ic)/NetBeans Modules:
  - Module
  - Module Suite
  - Library Wrapper Module
  - NetBeans Platform Application

PHP:
  // unchanged

HTML5/JavaScript:
  // unchanged


The "Java" category will offer only Maven based projects. I hope this change 
will be welcomed by NetBeans as well as Maven supporters and will help Apache 
NetBeans to move forward and focus on support of technology that matters!

Best regards and thanks in advance for your support.
Jaroslav Tulach
NetBeans founder & initial architect




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RE: Apache NetBeans: Duke's Choice Award Winner 2018

[Kenneth Fogel]

I just noticed that the image file of us hoding Duke is dropped by the list. 
You can see the photo near the end of my blog post at 
https://www.omnijava.com/2018/10/27/my-oracle-code-one-2018-personal-experience/

Ken


From: Kenneth Fogel 
Sent: October 27, 2018 4:35 PM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Apache NetBeans: Duke's Choice Award Winner 2018

Attached is the group photo from CodeOne taken on October 23, 2018.

While we may have been at Code One to receive the award, it is an award for the 
entire Apache NetBeans family.

Ken


From: Geertjan Wielenga 
mailto:geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.INVALID>>
Sent: October 23, 2018 7:29 PM
To: dev 
mailto:dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org>>; 
NetBeans Mailing List 
mailto:us...@netbeans.apache.org>>
Subject: Apache NetBeans: Duke's Choice Award Winner 2018

Hi all,

Congratulations to all of us!

We have won the highest accolade in the Java ecosystem -- a Duke's Choice Award.

Oracle press release:

https://www.oracle.com/it/corporate/pressrelease/oow18-code-one-java-keynote-2018-10-22.html

Attached is a happy pic of a lot of Apache NetBeans PPMC members at the award 
ceremony, together with Georges Saab, Vice President, Software Development, 
Java Platform Group at Oracle.

This is big news!

Gj

RE: Apache NetBeans: Duke's Choice Award Winner 2018

[Kenneth Fogel]

Attached is the group photo from CodeOne taken on October 23, 2018.

While we may have been at Code One to receive the award, it is an award for the 
entire Apache NetBeans family.

Ken


From: Geertjan Wielenga 
Sent: October 23, 2018 7:29 PM
To: dev ; NetBeans Mailing List 

Subject: Apache NetBeans: Duke's Choice Award Winner 2018

Hi all,

Congratulations to all of us!

We have won the highest accolade in the Java ecosystem -- a Duke's Choice Award.

Oracle press release:

https://www.oracle.com/it/corporate/pressrelease/oow18-code-one-java-keynote-2018-10-22.html

Attached is a happy pic of a lot of Apache NetBeans PPMC members at the award 
ceremony, together with Georges Saab, Vice President, Software Development, 
Java Platform Group at Oracle.

This is big news!

Gj



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RE: Apache NetBeans at Oracle Code One 2018

[Kenneth Fogel]

I can be available for private presentations if anyone misses mine. There is 
also my stand-up routine, I mean presentation, on Villainy on Monday eve.

Ken

-Original Message-
From: mark stephens  
Sent: October 17, 2018 10:44 AM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Apache NetBeans at Oracle Code One 2018

Shame a couple are scheduled at the same time.

We are going head to head with Ken Fogel on tuesday...

Regards,

MArk

> On 17 Oct 2018, at 15:06, Geertjan Wielenga 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Several are heading off to San Francisco, note that here's the program 
> for the week from a NetBeans perspective:
> 
> https://blogs.apache.org/netbeans/entry/apache-netbeans-at-oracle-code
> 
> Here's a list of those of us who'll be around, if your name is 
> missing, please add it so we know who to aim to bump into. :-)
> 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Oracle+Code+One+2
> 018
> 
> The kickoff is the unofficial get together on Saturday evening at the 
> Thirsty Bear from around 19:00.
> 
> See you there!
> 
> Gj


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Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Which NetBeans domains to keep?

[Kenneth Fogel]

I’d suggest also keeping netbeans.info as this TLD is becoming a go to on a 
topic when someone is uncertain which TLD to use.

Ken


From: Scott Palmer 
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 9:21 AM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Which NetBeans domains to keep?

I’m curious as to why subdomains are not used instead?

stage.netbeans.org
dev.netbeans.org

I agree that .com and .net should redirect.

Regards,

Scott


> On Sep 24, 2018, at 8:46 AM, pa...@tabor.one wrote:
>
> There are couple of directions we can split users flow as Geertjan suggested, 
> but we must be accurate with it not to create too many places of interest.
>
> netbeans.org - is a root for all the Netbeans users around the globe. We must 
> keep it anyway. Also we can add blogs and tutorials
> stagenetbeans.org - staging are, really cool to have one +1
> devnetbeans.org - we can use this one to create an alternate tracker (for 
> example Phabricator) for developers team. It's good to keep it if we plan to 
> do so, if not - we can trash it.
> netbeans.net - simple redirect to netbeans.org, just for convenience of 
> newcomers
> netbeans.com - simple redirect to netbeans.org, just for convenience of 
> newcomers
>
> I think it's fair enough for all purposes.
>
> ED


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Re: ApacheCon Info Request

[Kenneth Fogel]

I should have remembered that page, I’ve visited it. Thanks.

Ken Fogel
Co-Chairperson and Co-Program Coordinater
Computer Science Technology
Dawson College
3040 Sherbrooke St. W
Westmount, Quebec
H3Z 1A4, Canada
Tel: 514-931-8731 x 4799
Twitter: @omniprof


From: Geertjan Wielenga 
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 10:02 AM
To: dev
Subject: Re: ApacheCon Info Request

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+Release+Roadmap

Gj

On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 3:47 PM, Kenneth Fogel 
wrote:

> I would like to have a timeline for the dev cycle for NetBeans. I’m
> sitting at a Tomcat session that is all about bug fixes and development
> plans. My presentation will have coding demos but I should probably say a
> few things about the progress of NetBeans thru the Apache process. No rush,
> I just need it today.
>
> Ken
>

ApacheCon Info Request

[Kenneth Fogel]

I would like to have a timeline for the dev cycle for NetBeans. I’m sitting at 
a Tomcat session that is all about bug fixes and development plans. My 
presentation will have coding demos but I should probably say a few things 
about the progress of NetBeans thru the Apache process. No rush, I just need it 
today.

Ken

RE: ApacheCon Presentation

[Kenneth Fogel]

Here is a new version with opinion and silliness removed. I can't promise not 
to be silly at the presentation but I will keep my opinions, other than 
NetBeans is the finest IDE, out of it. Ideally I will go through the slides in 
15 minutes (the PraxisLIVE demo will take a few minutes) and then focus on the 
good bits in a live demo.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/xx2u18hti0cgfz9/AABSPXOP620d_GNR-EA7bQtPa?dl=0

Ken


 

-Original Message-
From: Geertjan Wielenga  
Sent: September 15, 2018 6:11 PM
To: dev 
Subject: Re: ApacheCon Presentation

The message to bring is even more positive than you think. :-)

For example:

"Oracle  has  not  abandoned  NetBeans."

...even that I'd recommend to omit, since it sounds a lot to me like "A has not 
done B", which sounds exactly like "A has in fact done B but here I am to 
defend A and tell you that it has not done B while we all know that yes it 
probably has done precisely B after all and I am here to defend it for various 
reasons etc."

I.e., just don't even go there. :-)

In a similar vein, I wonder about "Might  be  boring  but  the  mothers of  all 
 those  involved  were  very  proud  of  their  children."

Come on! What those people in Prague put together is now the basis of software 
at NASA and Boeing. Why, for what possible purpose, can one be cynical about 
that or use it as the basis for a cheap joke that means nothing at all?

Really, we are all part of something that is of significance and that is why we 
are involved in this project. Let's be straight up proud about it and there's 
simply no need at all to add any tone of cynicism, or halfhearted modesty, or 
fake whatever it is to it.

We're part of an absolutely uniquely awesome project -- the statistics are 
there for all to see:

https://projects.apache.org/statistics.html

https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/graphs/contributors

https://jelastic.com/blog/software-stacks-statistics-report-q2-2018/

No need to be falsely humble in any way at all -- instead, let each and every 
one of your slides exude the relevance and meaningfuleness of everything we 
here as a community have done together over very many years and are continuing 
to do for free and all in the best interests of everybody. :-)

Stand up straight with your shoulders back and represent everything that is 
good and honest about software development, which we so patently and clearly 
present ourselves to be in everything that we do.

Gj


Oracle has not abandoned NetBeans


On Sat, Sep 15, 2018 at 10:48 PM, Kenneth Fogel 
wrote:

> Thank you to everyone who commented on the first set of slides in my 
> presentation. I have updated some slides to be more positive and much 
> less opinionated. Please provide me with any additional comments that 
> can make this presentation the best it can be.
>
> Here are the files from my DropBox. There are pptx, odp, and pdf versions.
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/xx2u18hti0cgfz9/AABSPXOP620d_GNR-EA7bQtPa?d
> l=0
>
> Ken
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Geertjan Wielenga 
> Sent: September 15, 2018 10:37 AM
> To: dev 
> Subject: Re: ApacheCon Presentation
>
> Definitely the way you have it is the right way to go since that's 
> what most users will be doing and having too.
>
> Gj
>
> On Sat, Sep 15, 2018 at 4:36 PM, Kenneth Fogel 
>  >
> wrote:
>
> > I have successfully installed the 8.2 plugins for JavaScript, PHP & JEE.
> > My question is whether it is better to compile and use the latest 
> > NetBeans
> > 9 code or stay with 9 plus 8.2 plugins for my presentation.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Geertjan Wielenga 
> > Sent: September 14, 2018 1:38 AM
> > To: dev 
> > Subject: Re: ApacheCon Presentation
> >
> > Maybe you can show/talk about JavaScript and PHP as well, those are 
> > popular languages and work well in NetBeans, in addition to Java, of
> course.
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 1:25 AM, Kenneth Fogel 
> >  > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > That's why I sent out the slides so I'll be happy to remove those
> lines.
> > > For the demonstration component I plan to talk about Maven's 
> > > excellent integration, NetBeans as a platform by showing 
> > > PraxisLIVE, the ease of building plugins and remote coding on a 
> > > Raspberry Pi. Is there anything more important that I should be 
> > > showing? The session is 50
> > minutes long.
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > >
> >
>

RE: ApacheCon Presentation

[Kenneth Fogel]

Thank you to everyone who commented on the first set of slides in my 
presentation. I have updated some slides to be more positive and much less 
opinionated. Please provide me with any additional comments that can make this 
presentation the best it can be.

Here are the files from my DropBox. There are pptx, odp, and pdf versions.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/xx2u18hti0cgfz9/AABSPXOP620d_GNR-EA7bQtPa?dl=0

Ken

-Original Message-
From: Geertjan Wielenga  
Sent: September 15, 2018 10:37 AM
To: dev 
Subject: Re: ApacheCon Presentation

Definitely the way you have it is the right way to go since that's what most 
users will be doing and having too.

Gj

On Sat, Sep 15, 2018 at 4:36 PM, Kenneth Fogel 
wrote:

> I have successfully installed the 8.2 plugins for JavaScript, PHP & JEE.
> My question is whether it is better to compile and use the latest 
> NetBeans
> 9 code or stay with 9 plus 8.2 plugins for my presentation.
>
> Ken
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Geertjan Wielenga 
> Sent: September 14, 2018 1:38 AM
> To: dev 
> Subject: Re: ApacheCon Presentation
>
> Maybe you can show/talk about JavaScript and PHP as well, those are 
> popular languages and work well in NetBeans, in addition to Java, of course.
>
> Gj
>
> On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 1:25 AM, Kenneth Fogel 
>  >
> wrote:
>
> > That's why I sent out the slides so I'll be happy to remove those lines.
> > For the demonstration component I plan to talk about Maven's 
> > excellent integration, NetBeans as a platform by showing PraxisLIVE, 
> > the ease of building plugins and remote coding on a Raspberry Pi. Is 
> > there anything more important that I should be showing? The session 
> > is 50
> minutes long.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
>

RE: ApacheCon Presentation

[Kenneth Fogel]

That's why I sent out the slides so I'll be happy to remove those lines. For 
the demonstration component I plan to talk about Maven's excellent integration, 
NetBeans as a platform by showing PraxisLIVE, the ease of building plugins and 
remote coding on a Raspberry Pi. Is there anything more important that I should 
be showing? The session is 50 minutes long.

Ken

RE: ide.etc -- should that be inside 'ide'

[Kenneth Fogel]

Does anyone say Eclipse IDE or IntelliJ IDE? Maybe its time to just call it 
NetBeans. Just thinking out loud.

-Original Message-
From: Geertjan Wielenga  
Sent: September 12, 2018 8:04 AM
To: dev 
Subject: Re: ide.etc -- should that be inside 'ide'

That's great.

Yes, I wonder where that projectopener is used, but this is somehow a clue
maybe: "Application for opening projects downloaded from web in NetBeans IDE".

https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/blob/master/ide.etc/projectopener/nbproject/project.properties

If it's not used anywhere, maybe it can be deleted, unless it's useful somehow 
that we don't know about.

Gj




On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 1:56 PM, Ralph Benjamin Ruijs < 
ralph.benja...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hiding it inside the ide folder, before cleaning it up, is not ideal
> :) Can you give me a couple of days, I'll create a PR with either a 
> proposal to clean it up, or moving it into ide ?
>
> btw, I can't find any reference to the projectopener project inside 
> ide.etc.
>
>
> - Ralph
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 1:41 PM Geertjan Wielenga 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Ralph,
> >
> > Since it's called 'ide.etc', and it includes a feature about opening 
> > projects, i.e., that's an ide-related feature, what would be the 
> > problem with having it be part of the 'ide' folder -- at least 
> > until/unless we
> find
> > a way to reorganize its content?
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 9:26 AM, Ralph Benjamin Ruijs < 
> > ralph.benja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > The folder used to be called just ide, and the most descriptive 
> > > name I could think of was etc (which is not descriptive at all). I 
> > > don't think it should be in the ide folder/cluster, but can maybe 
> > > be moved to a higher cluster like platform or even go into 
> > > nbbuild. Another option would be to clean it up and move the files 
> > > to more logical places individually.
> > >
> > >
> > > - Ralph
> > > On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 9:21 AM Geertjan Wielenga 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi all, especially Ralph,
> > > >
> > > > Should...
> > > >
> > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/tree/master/ide.etc
> > > >
> > > > ...maybe be inside the 'ide' folder:
> > > >
> > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/tree/master/ide
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Gj
> > >
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RE: dpi on Windows Java 9

[Kenneth Fogel]

I continue to change -J-Dsun.java2d.dpiaware=true to false to have NetBeans 
appear properly and respect Microsoft scaling on a Hi DPI display. Having 
everything scalable regardless of the display is a worthwhile goal. The same 
for having control of the font size for everything, not just the editor and 
output windows.


-Original Message-
From: Christian Lenz  
Sent: September 12, 2018 2:53 AM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: AW: dpi on Windows Java 9

Great, thx 


Von: Eirik Bakke
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. September 2018 00:42
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: RE: dpi on Windows Java 9

I've submitted a pull request that adds scalable icons for the most important 
window system icons, that is those in o.n.swing.tabcontrol and openide.awt, 
starting with the Windows L (plus a couple of platform-independent icons):

https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/pull/859

LAF icons, in particular, are often both simple and highly parameterized (need 
both enabled, disabled, rollover, and pressed variants, and might eventually 
need Darcula versions), and so made sense to implement with custom painting 
code. This is the approach taken in Swing's own Windows L, e.g. for checkbox 
checks and combobox dropdown arrows [1]. On Windows, in particular, arbitrary 
DPI scalings can be encountered, so the Mac approach of just serving an extra 
bitmap "@2x" resolution for each icon does not work in all cases.

(For other kinds of icons, there's still a need to let ImageUtilities load 
bitmaps with multiple resolutions available. Automatic SVG loading & rendering, 
like Tim Boudreau suggested, would be another great feature.)
 
-- Eirik
[1] See 
http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk10/jdk10/jdk/file/tip/src/java.desktop/share/classes/com/sun/java/swing/plaf/windows/WindowsIconFactory.java

-Original Message-
From: Tim Boudreau 
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 5:14 PM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org; Emilian Bold 
Subject: Re: dpi on Windows Java 9

IMO, if we wanted to do this and be future-proof, the thing to do would be to 
convert the icons to SVG or some similar vector format and update the icon 
loading code in ImageUtilities to use it.

There are some tools - particularly potrace - that can assist in initial 
conversion, but deal in tracing lines and shapes and give 2- or 3- color output 
(potrace lets you set a single interior color for closed shapes), but which 
could be helpful as a start.

Given that SVG is XML-based, I could imagine that just using something like 
Batik to load SVG would be unacceptable;  but SVG could be used as a 
designer-friendly input stage, and then be compiled by the build process into 
something more performant (either literal Java code that paints the contents of 
the svg, or some binary representation of drawing instructions), much the same 
way resource bundle message annotations are turned into static methods.

I've written code before that implements a Graphics2D that simply stores a list 
of everything it was told to do - wouldn't be that hard to take the list of 
drawing instructions from there and generate Java code to reproduce those steps.

Straw man example:

 - Code that uses an SVG icon is annotated with
@Icon("org/netbeans/modules/x/myIcon.svg")
 - At build time:
   - Annotation processor looks up that file, reads it with Batik, paints it 
into a code-generating Graphics2D which outputs a generated static method 
myIcon() on a generated class in the same package
   - Code that wants to use the icon calls the static method, the same way 
bundle messages are loaded in modern NetBeans code
 - At run time:
   - If using the generated static method, the output is just an image or an 
icon, no surprises
   - For the case where icons are shared across modules (this happens), 
ImageUtilities could be tweaked to, in the case of a .svg extension, try to 
look up the generated class / method (and optionally fall back to Batik if 
nobody minded a dependency on it, but that could be pluggable via Lookup if 
it's even needed)

The hard part is converting to SVG, since turning an image into efficient 
vectors is a genuinely hard problem where there are many non-optimal answers 
and few optimal ones - particularly for converting gradients.  I could imagine 
getting a little better output by running the icon through potrace with several 
color filters on it and combining the output.  But likely it simply requires a 
bunch of manual tweaking.

-Tim


On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 4:07 PM, Emilian Bold 
wrote:

> > In my opinion, the correct fix would be for applications to provide 
> > higher resolution icons :) It's a win-win for everyone.
>
> https://nextbeans.com/retina
> https://jaxenter.com/netbeans/netbeans-retina
>
> --emi
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>
> On 11 March 2018 9:49 PM, cowwoc  wrote:
>
> > I might be in the minority, but I actually prefer the new look. It 
> > makes
> >
> > Netbeans a lot easier to use in high DPI environments 

ApacheCon Presentation

[Kenneth Fogel]

Geertjan has recommended that I make my presentation on NetBeans that I will be 
giving at ApacheCone available to everyone on this list for comment and 
suggestion. He has already made some suggestions that I have incorporated. Here 
is the link to a DropBox folder were you can find a pptx, odp and pdf version 
of the same slides.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/xx2u18hti0cgfz9/AABSPXOP620d_GNR-EA7bQtPa?dl=0

Send comments to this group or directly to me at 
kfo...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca

I don't want to bore my audience with too much background. I was thinking of 
downloading and running Praxis as a demo of NetBeans as a platform. I 
especially want suggestions for what I should be showing off about NetBeans in 
the 50 minutes that I have. I always like to stress Maven and easy database and 
server management. I also talk about the amount of technical support I need to 
provide to my students by pointing out the complexity in IntelliJ and Eclipse. 
I don't bad mouth the other tools, I just point out that in my opinion using 
NetBeans is more natural, especially for a developer just starting out.

I am testing this last theory by allowing my students this term to use any of 
the three IDEs. They have never seen NetBeans before. They have used Eclipse. 
Slowly and a few at a time every day they are abandoning IntelliJ and Eclipse 
because they are getting in the way of their coding.

I look forward to your comments. Also, if you haven't already done so please 
follow me on Twitter where I make pithy and annoying observations on 
programming and Java. I also want to embarrass my students by being more 
plugged into social media than they are. You can also follow me on Facebook, 
LinkedIn and Instagram.

Ken Fogel

[ken_220_220]
Co- Chairperson and Co-Program Coordinator
Computer Science Technology
Dawson College
3040 Sherbrooke St. W
Westmount, Quebec
H3Z 1A4, Canada
Tel: 514-931-8731 x 4799
[twitter]
[Dawson 50 white on blue]

RE: Installers

[Kenneth Fogel]

After a bizarre experience with Eclipse's Windows installer, it dumped 350 meg 
into the user AppData folder in addition to where it was actually installed, I 
am questioning installers for Windows. I solved my Eclipse problem by just 
downloading the zipped version. NetBeans does not require any special treatment 
for Windows. It can be unzipped and a shortcut created. I assume it will no 
longer ship with Glassfish, a good thing, so its not necessary to deal with the 
GlassFish installation which is only to unzip it into a folder anyways. When 
NetBeans starts up it will create whatever folders it needs in the User folder. 
Yes, an installer is nice but all it should do on the Windows platform is unzip 
NetBeans in the folder of choice and add a shortcut. What about the Java 
Packager or is that not usable due to licensing?

Ken


-Original Message-
From: Carl Mosca  
Sent: August 10, 2018 7:33 AM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Installers

Well first off is MacOS dmg because that's where I code mostly.  Secondly I 
like the idea of both an RPM and a deb for those Linux distros but I get the 
"yum install" "apt-get" thing to it's just as high a priority for me.

And yes, I know Windows has to be addressed a well but that's my order of 
interest at this point.  On Windows, I would have to look because I don't know 
what the msi/exe preference is these days.

Carl

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 7:10 AM Geertjan Wielenga 
 wrote:

> Which kinds of installers, i.e., for which operating systems, do you 
> want to create installers?
>
> Indeed, makes sense to me the idea of them being created during the build.
>
> Gj
>
> On Friday, August 10, 2018, Carl Mosca  wrote:
>
> > OK but I probably should have been a little more specific about the 
> > coordination part of my question.
> >
> > I am assuming that building the installers would, at some point, be 
> > part
> of
> > the build process.
> >
> > I believe Jenkins and ant are currently used.  Is there any history 
> > or preference with solutions to create the installers I should be aware of?
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Carl
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 2:36 AM Geertjan Wielenga 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, if you can create installers, that would be wonderful!
> > >
> > > I’ve seen about three different Mac OSX installers around so far.
> > >
> > > Please don’t wait, create installers if you can, and write back 
> > > here
> with
> > > instructions when you’ve done so.
> > >
> > > Gj
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, August 8, 2018, Carl Mosca  wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am wondering if anyone is working on these. I would like to 
> > > > help if needed.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Carl J. Mosca
> >
>


--
Carl J. Mosca

RE: Error updating version in pom.xml

[Kenneth Fogel]

I was notified today that this bug has been located and squished. I assume the 
fix will appear in 9.01 or 9.1 although the notice stated that the fix is in 
the master now. Kudos to Matthias Bläsing for resolving this.

Ken

-Original Message-
From: Brett Ryan  
Sent: July 31, 2018 6:53 PM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Error updating version in pom.xml

Gj, just found that in 8.2 if you have the cursor immediately after the >, it 
doesn’t replace the version string and does the 9.0 behaviour.

Also, if you have the cursor in the middle of a version string it filters from 
that prefix.

I guess this is why I thought it wasn’t avail in 8.2 as I always do if after 
the >

> On 28 Jul 2018, at 19:11, Geertjan Wielenga 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGuvhDJ0f80
> 
> Above you see how it works in 8.2 and how it works in 9.0 vc3.
> 
> Hope it helps,
> 
> Gj
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 7:12 AM, Brett Ryan  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m still using 8.2 in production, and I’ve never seen it replace the 
>> version. However, i use the following recommended strategy in maven 
>> projects.
>> 
>> 1. Use variables for storing versions used in dependencies 2. Use the 
>> versions [1] plugin to identify new releases 3. Never use ranges, 
>> it’s not supported in maven 3 any more.
>> 
>> [1]: https://www.mojohaus.org/versions-maven-plugin/
>> 
>>> On 28 Jul 2018, at 13:15, Tim Boudreau  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm frequently annoyed by this too. Has a bug been filed?
>>> 
>>> -Tim
>>> --
>>> http://timboudreau.com
>> 

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RE: ApacheCon Montreal NetBeans Presentation Suggestions

[Kenneth Fogel]

Yes, please put ApacheCon on this page. Here are the details of my presentation:
https://apachecon.dukecon.org/acna/2018/#/scheduledEvent/7e6b57d36ccd834f2

Ken


-Original Message-
From: Antonio Vieiro  
Sent: August 7, 2018 4:40 PM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: ApacheCon Montreal NetBeans Presentation Suggestions

So we can update our events page at
http://netbeans.apache.org/community/events.html, right? That page requires 
some love...


El El mar, 7 ago 2018 a las 18:33, Kenneth Fogel 
escribió:

> This year ApacheCon is happening here in my home town of Montreal. I 
> will be presenting “What Makes NetBeans Special” on September 25th. 
> This may be the first Apache conference now that NetBeans is part of 
> the foundation and it appears that this is the only session on 
> NetBeans. What I’d like to hear from people on this mailing list is what you 
> think I should present.
> The session is 50 minutes so I want to ensure I am presenting the most 
> important elements. Here is the description of the session I submitted:
>
> “NetBeans is a full featured IDE that does not get in the way of the 
> developer. In this presentation you will see how NetBeans works with 
> many of the standard tools and frameworks. You will see how smoothly 
> NetBeans works with Maven and Git. You’ll also see how NetBeans works 
> with frameworks such as JavaFX, JSF, and others. NetBeans can also be 
> the front-end tool for managing databases and servers and you will be 
> shown how easy this is to do. NetBeans deserves your love and at the 
> end of this presentation you will feel the love.”
>
>
>
> I am also doing a session on NetBeans at Code One entitled “Got a Gig 
> Teaching Java? You Should Be Using Apache NetBeans in the Classroom”. 
> It’s not the only session on NetBeans at Code One. Here as well if any 
> of you have ideas that have an education slant then please let me know.
>
>
>
> You can contact me directly at kfo...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca
>
>
>
> *Ken Fogel*
>
>
>
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=3040+Sherbrooke+St.+W+%0D%0A+Westmount,+Qu
> ebec+%0D%0A+H3Z+1A4,+Canada=gmail=g>
>
>
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=3040+Sherbrooke+St.+W+%0D%0A+Westmount,+Qu
> ebec+%0D%0A+H3Z+1A4,+Canada=gmail=g>
>
> Co- Chairperson and Co-Program Coordinator
>
> Computer Science Technology
>
> Dawson College
>
> 3040 Sherbrooke St. W
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=3040+Sherbrooke+St.+W+%0D%0A+Westmount,+Qu
> ebec+%0D%0A+H3Z+1A4,+Canada=gmail=g>
>
> Westmount, Quebec
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=3040+Sherbrooke+St.+W+%0D%0A+Westmount,+Qu
> ebec+%0D%0A+H3Z+1A4,+Canada=gmail=g>
>
> H3Z 1A4, Canada
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=3040+Sherbrooke+St.+W+%0D%0A+Westmount,+Qu
> ebec+%0D%0A+H3Z+1A4,+Canada=gmail=g>
>
> Tel: 514-931-8731 x 4799
>
> Cell: 514-892-2809
>
> [image: twitter] <https://twitter.com/omniprof>
>
> [image: Dawson 50 white on blue]
>
>
>
>
>

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ApacheCon Montreal NetBeans Presentation Suggestions

[Kenneth Fogel]

This year ApacheCon is happening here in my home town of Montreal. I will be 
presenting "What Makes NetBeans Special" on September 25th. This may be the 
first Apache conference now that NetBeans is part of the foundation and it 
appears that this is the only session on NetBeans. What I'd like to hear from 
people on this mailing list is what you think I should present. The session is 
50 minutes so I want to ensure I am presenting the most important elements. 
Here is the description of the session I submitted:
"NetBeans is a full featured IDE that does not get in the way of the developer. 
In this presentation you will see how NetBeans works with many of the standard 
tools and frameworks. You will see how smoothly NetBeans works with Maven and 
Git. You'll also see how NetBeans works with frameworks such as JavaFX, JSF, 
and others. NetBeans can also be the front-end tool for managing databases and 
servers and you will be shown how easy this is to do. NetBeans deserves your 
love and at the end of this presentation you will feel the love."

I am also doing a session on NetBeans at Code One entitled "Got a Gig Teaching 
Java? You Should Be Using Apache NetBeans in the Classroom". It's not the only 
session on NetBeans at Code One. Here as well if any of you have ideas that 
have an education slant then please let me know.

You can contact me directly at 
kfo...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca

Ken Fogel

[cid:image005.png@01D42E4A.D67D23D0]
Co- Chairperson and Co-Program Coordinator
Computer Science Technology
Dawson College
3040 Sherbrooke St. W
Westmount, Quebec
H3Z 1A4, Canada
Tel: 514-931-8731 x 4799
Cell: 514-892-2809
[twitter]
[Dawson 50 white on blue]

RE: Error updating version in pom.xml

[Kenneth Fogel]

I absolutely do not consider this an issue that should hold up the release. 
However, it is in my opinion a bug that needs to be addressed. A feature of 
NetBeans has been diminished and needs to be addressed at least for 9.01.

Ken

-Original Message-
From: Geertjan Wielenga  
Sent: July 27, 2018 5:03 PM
To: dev 
Subject: Re: Error updating version in pom.xml

Well, no one has touched the Maven modules AFAIK. I can reproduce it though. 
I'm sure you're aware that we've now voted on the release and we're pretty 
close to releasing it, so it's certainly not going to be fixed in time for 9.0 
at this stage. Not sure how it's going to be worked out to fix this, since 
again no one has touched the Maven code AFAIK. Possibly that functionality is 
provided by some plugin that isn't part of Java SE, i.e., note again that 
Apache NetBeans (incubating) 9.0 is focused on 9.0 only. If you add the 8.2 
update center (as explained here
https://blogs.apache.org/netbeans/entry/what-s-happened-to-my) you might find 
that when you install the Java EE related plugins, that functionality you're 
missing will be added.

Gj


On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 10:50 PM, Kenneth Fogel 
wrote:

> What I like about 8.2 was that I could explore all the possible 
> versions and either stay with the one I have or switch to a newer or older 
> one.
> Deleting what's there first shouldn’t be necessary. From a teaching 
> perspective, what will happen is that students will be inserting new 
> version numbers into the field only to have it fail during the project 
> compile. I suspect this is an unintended side effect from some other 
> change.
>
> Ken
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Geertjan Wielenga 
> Sent: July 27, 2018 4:04 PM
> To: dev 
> Subject: Re: Error updating version in pom.xml
>
> Maybe delete the number that you don't want and then call up code 
> completion?
>
> Gj
>
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 9:55 PM, Kenneth Fogel 
>  >
> wrote:
>
> > I have just added this to jira but I'm curious if anyone else 
> > noticed this in 9.0 vc3.
> >
> > When editing the pom.xml file:
> > 1.5 in any place in a pom.xml.
> > Type a period in front of the existing period and I get a list of 
> > other version numbers.
> > When I select the new version it is inserted into the existing 
> > version instead of replacing it.
> > 1.1.75.5
> > It did work properly in 8.2.
> >
> > Ken Fogel
> >
> >
> >
>
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RE: Error updating version in pom.xml

[Kenneth Fogel]

What I like about 8.2 was that I could explore all the possible versions and 
either stay with the one I have or switch to a newer or older one. Deleting 
what's there first shouldn’t be necessary. From a teaching perspective, what 
will happen is that students will be inserting new version numbers into the 
field only to have it fail during the project compile. I suspect this is an 
unintended side effect from some other change. 

Ken

-Original Message-
From: Geertjan Wielenga  
Sent: July 27, 2018 4:04 PM
To: dev 
Subject: Re: Error updating version in pom.xml

Maybe delete the number that you don't want and then call up code completion?

Gj

On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 9:55 PM, Kenneth Fogel 
wrote:

> I have just added this to jira but I'm curious if anyone else noticed 
> this in 9.0 vc3.
>
> When editing the pom.xml file:
> 1.5 in any place in a pom.xml.
> Type a period in front of the existing period and I get a list of 
> other version numbers.
> When I select the new version it is inserted into the existing version 
> instead of replacing it.
> 1.1.75.5
> It did work properly in 8.2.
>
> Ken Fogel
>
>
>

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Error updating version in pom.xml

[Kenneth Fogel]

I have just added this to jira but I'm curious if anyone else noticed this in 
9.0 vc3.

When editing the pom.xml file:
1.5 in any place in a pom.xml.
Type a period in front of the existing period and I get a list of other version 
numbers.
When I select the new version it is inserted into the existing version instead 
of replacing it.
1.1.75.5
It did work properly in 8.2.

Ken Fogel

Project Loading Time Trials

[Kenneth Fogel]

Using the stopwatch in my iPhone Clock app I measured how long 8.2 and 9.0 vc3 
took to load on my Windows desktop and finish background scanning of the 47 
sample programs from my Fall course. NB 9 vc3's best time was 10 seconds while 
NB 8.2's best time was 17 seconds. My subjective impressions appears to be 
bourn out. Kudos to the developers.

Ken
 

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Re: nb-javac - was Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 (incubating) [vote candidate 3]

[Kenneth Fogel]

Yes, I did get the unsigned warning. My plan for teaching is to use Java 8 in 
the fall and move to 11 in the winter, NetBeans and EE willing.

Ken

Ken Fogel
Co-Chairperson and Co-Program Coordinater
Computer Science Technology
Dawson College
3040 Sherbrooke St. W
Westmount, Quebec
H3Z 1A4, Canada
Tel: 514-931-8731 x 4799
Twitter: @omniprof


From: Neil C Smith 
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2018 12:48 PM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: nb-javac - was Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 (incubating) 
[vote candidate 3]

On Sat, 21 Jul 2018 at 17:23, Kenneth Fogel  wrote:
> Curious to know why nb-javac is required? Was it always a part of NetBeans 
> and only just removed? Why is it not required for Java 9?

It's a patched version of javac that has long been part of NetBeans,
but it wasn't part of the donation (for obvious reasons), so is still
LGPL licensed and can't be included.

AFAIK, with Java 9+ the standard JDK version of javac has features
which make it more usable for editor support, so this can be used
instead.

Did you get the warning about the signing of nb-javac? This to me
seems more of an issue with it that would be good to fix before
release.

I also need to figure out how the best way to still bundle it in
PraxisLIVE, as I don't have the same license restriction - something
to look at soon when I move off 8.2 base.

Best wishes,

Neil

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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 (incubating) [vote candidate 3]

[Kenneth Fogel]

+1

Using Windows 10 Pro Version 1803
Compiled as directed with Java 1.8.0_172 taking 26 minutes
Numerous warnings related to deprecated methods and lack of use of generics but 
build was successful.
Reviewed all text files and verified the key (learned how to do it with 
PowerShell)
My unofficial testing by compiling and executing my student sample code and the 
CalendarFX library was successful.
Only annoyance, the text in the splash screen image could be larger.

Curious to know why nb-javac is required? Was it always a part of NetBeans and 
only just removed? Never asked for this when installing 8.2. Why is it not 
required for Java 9?

As I tweeted, I'm happy to now have it available to my students when classes 
begin in late August. Subjectively it feels faster than 8.2 especially when it 
starts up with 48 Maven based projects it must scan through. Will conduct time 
trials for my amusement.

Ken Fogel

Voting

[Kenneth Fogel]

While I am on this list I never made it to 
d...@netbeans.apache.org. Wishing to follow 
the steps in 
https://blogs.apache.org/netbeans/entry/tentative-schedule-for-apache-netbeans 
it appears I need a different level of access. Could someone point me in the 
right direction to get this resolved?

Thanks,

Ken Fogel

Re: Compiling on Windows & Splash Screen

[Kenneth Fogel]

Will do.

Ken Fogel
Co-Chairperson and Co-Program Coordinater
Computer Science Technology
Dawson College
3040 Sherbrooke St. W
Westmount, Quebec
H3Z 1A4, Canada
Tel: 514-931-8731 x 4799
Twitter: @omniprof


From: Geertjan Wielenga 
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 4:09 PM
To: dev
Subject: Re: Compiling on Windows & Splash Screen

Great, thanks for this feedback, please do the two things described here:

https://blogs.apache.org/netbeans/entry/tentative-schedule-for-apache-netbeans

Gj


On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 9:49 PM, Kenneth Fogel 
wrote:

> I have successfully compiled RC1 (31 min) and created the minimal Hello
> World. Then compiled VC3 (26 min) and when it started it wanted either
> nb-javac installed or have me switch to Java 9. I installed nb-javac and my
> Hello World worked. I have 46 sample programs that I use in my Fall desktop
> course, all Maven based, that I will try out.
>
> I have one comment concerning the splash screen. The text is far too
> small. It should be at least 3x larger. Show it on a HiDPI (4K) display
> and the text will disappear. This brings up the possible need for two
> splash images. One for up to 2K displays and one for greater than 2K.
>
> Ken
>
>

Compiling on Windows & Splash Screen

[Kenneth Fogel]

I have successfully compiled RC1 (31 min) and created the minimal Hello World. 
Then compiled VC3 (26 min) and when it started it wanted either nb-javac 
installed or have me switch to Java 9. I installed nb-javac and my Hello World 
worked. I have 46 sample programs that I use in my Fall desktop course, all 
Maven based, that I will try out.

I have one comment concerning the splash screen. The text is far too small.  It 
should be at least 3x larger. Show it on a HiDPI (4K) display and the text will 
disappear. This brings up the possible need for two splash images. One for up 
to 2K displays and one for greater than 2K.

Ken

RE: NetBeans at COFAN (Conférence au Faso sur le Numérique) in Burkina Faso

[Kenneth Fogel]

I have a presentation at ApacheCon here in Montreal at the end of September on 
Apache NetBeans. What did you find that your audience was most interested in?

Ken


-Original Message-
From: constantin drabo  
Sent: July 3, 2018 5:34 PM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: NetBeans at COFAN (Conférence au Faso sur le Numérique) in Burkina Faso

Hello everyone,
Here a link I would like to share with you. It's on a summary of  my NetBeans 
presentation at COFAN (Conférence au Faso sur le Numérique)  in Burkina Faso.
https://blogs.apache.org/netbeans/entry/netbeans-for-javaee-project-productivity

Constantin Drabo

?? La Terre est le berceau de l'humanité??, mais on ne passe pas sa vie 
enti??re dans un berceau. ??
- ConstantinE. Tsiolkovski , p??re de l'astronautique?? et de 
l'a??rospatiale modernes.

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RE: NB 9 RC1 Updating Failes on Win 10

[Kenneth Fogel]

One last point. I completed the Help -> Updates under Java 10 and it did 
successfully update. I switched to Java 8 and when I chose Help -> Update it 
immediately displayed the Some plugins require Java Source Base installed and 
all I can do is Cancel. Also under Java 8 on Tools -> Plugins the Update tab 
shows IDE Platform as an update but I get the same "Some plugins ..." dialog. 
Back to Java 10 where the Tools -> Plugins Updates tab shows IDE Platform and 
Ant as needing updates but clicking on Update results in the "Some plugins . . 
." dialog with only the Cancel button.

Ken


-Original Message-
From: Emilian Bold  
Sent: July 1, 2018 2:16 PM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: NB 9 RC1 Updating Failes on Win 10

The Apache mailing list removes attachments so we cannot see your screenshot.

Could you copy-paste the stacktrace or error you see?

--emi

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On 1 July 2018 8:42 PM, Kenneth Fogel  wrote:

> If there is a better place to report then then please let me know.
>
> When I install the RC1 binaries and go to update plugins I get:
>
> This happens when using a Java 8 SDK and a Java 10 SDK. Only difference 
> between 8 and 10 is that NetBeans does not show Ant as an update with Java 8. 
> Otherwise both want Java Source Base plugin installed. What is and where is 
> Java Source Base plugin.
>
> I’m using:
>
> Win 10 Pro
>
> Version 1803
>
> OS Build: 17134.112
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ken

RE: NB 9 RC1 Updating Failes on Win 10

[Kenneth Fogel]

Sorry about that. No stacktrace just dialog box messages. Here is the rundown:

Using Java 8 SDK 1.80_172 as set in netbeans.conf

I go to Help -> Check For Updates and the first dialog pops showing:

The following plugins will be updated:
Docker UI [1.1.4 -> 1.1.4]
IDE Platform [1.34 -> 1.34]
Local Tasks [1.26 -> 1.26]

This appears for less than 3 seconds when its replaced with a second dialog 
that shows:

Some plugins require plugin Java Source Base to be installed.
The plugin Java Source Base is requested in implementation version 2.
The following plugin is affected:
Java Shell Support.

With this second dialog the only choice is to Cancel.

If I use Windows -> Plugins then the Updates tab it shows me the following 
titles in the left hand panel of the dialog. The text is what appears in the 
right hand panel of the dialog.:

IDE Platform

Installed version: 1.34 Available version: 1.34 (Internal Updates) Source: 
Apache NetBeans IDE Dev (Build incubator-netbeans-release-302-on-20180517)  
Plugin Description
The IDE Platform consists of the modules in the Base IDE that do not naturally 
belong to any of its visible plugins, but are installed together with the 
plugins that require them. The modules (NBMs) in IDE Platform are: Directory 
Chooser, External HTML Browser, External Libraries, General Online Help, 
General Options Dialog Panels, Generic Languages Framework, HTTP Server, IDE 
Defaults, Project UI, Refactoring API, Tag Based Editors Library, Timers API, 
and User Utilities.  
Internal Updates
Editor Hints [1.41.0.7.55->1.43.0.7.55]
Native Execution [1.40.13.1->1.40.15.1]
Native Terminal [1.24.5.1->1.24.7.1]

Docker UI

Installed version: 1.1.4 Available version: 1.1.4 (Internal Updates) Source: 
Apache NetBeans IDE Dev (Build incubator-netbeans-release-302-on-20180517)  
Plugin Description
Provides UI widgets for management of the Docker from the IDE.  
Internal Updates
Docker API [1.21.5->1.21.6] 
Terminal Emulator [1.38->1.38.1]

Local Tasks

Installed version: 1.26 Available version: 1.26 (Internal Updates) Source: 
Apache NetBeans IDE Dev (Build incubator-netbeans-release-302-on-20180517)  
Plugin Description
Support for the Local Tasks tracker  
Internal Updates
Eclipse Jobs Mechanism [3.5.100->3.5.101]

---
I updated netbeans.conf to point to Java 10 and rebooted the computer.

When I go to Help->Update I see:

The following plugins will be updated:
Ant[3.85.0.2 -> 3.85.0.2]
Docker UI [1.1.4 ->1,1,4]
IDE Platform [1.34 -> 1.34]
Local Tasks [1.26 -> 1.26]

In 3 seconds this dialog is replaced with one that says:

The following plugins will be updated:

Docker UI
 Docker API [1.21.5 -> 1.21.6]
 Terminal Emulator [1.38 -> 1.38.1] 
IDE Platform
 Native Execution [1.40.13.1 -> 1.40.15.1] 
 Native Terminal [1.24.5.1 -> 1.24.7.1] 
Local Tasks 
 Eclipse Jobs Mechanism [3.5.100 -> 3.5.101]

I am able to click on Next. Earlier today I got the Java Source Base message 
but not now. 

If I go to Tools -> Plugins and select the Updates tab I now have a list of 
four updates. The first three are the same as under Java 8 plus the following 
addition:

Ant

Installed version: 3.85.0.2 Available version: 3.85.0.2 (Internal Updates) 
Source: Apache NetBeans IDE Dev (Build 
incubator-netbeans-release-302-on-20180517)  
Plugin Description
The Ant module integrates Apache's Ant build tool into the IDE. Ant is a Java- 
and XML-based build tool, which you can use to write scripts to build, test, 
and deploy applications.  
Internal Updates
Java Shell Support [1.0.25.55.16.1.4->1.0.55.16.1.2]

If I click on the Update button I get the same dialog as I had in Java 8 that 
read:
Some plugins require Java Source Base to be installed.

NetBeans appears to work other than 'var' crashing jShell.

Ken




-Original Message-
From: Emilian Bold  
Sent: July 1, 2018 2:16 PM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: NB 9 RC1 Updating Failes on Win 10

The Apache mailing list removes attachments so we cannot see your screenshot.

Could you copy-paste the stacktrace or error you see?

--emi

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On 1 July 2018 8:42 PM, Kenneth Fogel  wrote:

> If there is a better place to report then then please let me know.
>
> When I install the RC1 binaries and go to update plugins I get:
>
> This happens when using a Java 8 SDK and a Java 10 SDK. Only difference 
> between 8 and 10 is that NetBeans does not show Ant as an update with Java 8. 
> Otherwise both want Java Source Base plugin installed. What is and where is 
> Java Source Base plugin.
>
> I’m using:
>
> Win 10 Pro
>
> Version 1803
>
> OS Build: 17134.112
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ken

NB 9 RC1 Updating Failes on Win 10

[Kenneth Fogel]

If there is a better place to report then then please let me know.

When I install the RC1 binaries and go to update plugins I get:

[cid:image002.png@01D41141.62EAD2D0]

This happens when using a Java 8 SDK and a Java 10 SDK. Only difference between 
8 and 10 is that NetBeans does not show Ant as an update with Java 8. Otherwise 
both want Java Source Base plugin installed. What is and where is Java Source 
Base plugin.

I'm using:
Win 10 Pro
Version 1803
OS Build: 17134.112

Thanks,

Ken

RE: NetBeans talks at Oracle Codeone conference (was Javaone)

[Kenneth Fogel]

Hi,

My talk, Got a gig teaching Java? You should be using Apache NetBeans in the 
classroom, as a BOF was also accepted. See you in SF.

Ken


-Original Message-
From: mark stephens [mailto:marksteph...@idrsolutions.com] 
Sent: June 28, 2018 2:00 AM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: NetBeans talks at Oracle Codeone conference (was Javaone)

My talk submission 

"Writing better code (faster) in Apache NetBeans IDE” has been accepted so I 
will be in San Francisco for the conference in October.

Any news on other talks?

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pom file for Maven JavaFX NB 9 RC1

[Kenneth Fogel]

The pom.xml file generated when a project type of Maven JavaFX is still 
referring to the Java 1.7 JavaFX external jar. Come Java 11 there will need to 
be a dependency for OpenJFX but considering that JavaFX is included in 8, 9 and 
10, the generated pom.xml needs to be updated. I instruct me students to never 
use this choice but to use plan Maven Java Application for JavaFX applications.

Ken Fogel

PS: Its summer vacation for college teachers so I can turn my attention to 
annoying everyone, I mean contributing, on this mailing list 

Maven & NB

[Kenneth Fogel]

Just a question on the version of Maven. The RC1 candidate uses 3.3.9. The old 
version from 8.2 was 3.0.5. The current version is 3.5.3. I can change the 
version at Tools->Java->Maven. I am just curious if there is not some way to 
always install the most recent version whenever someone downloads NB or must 
Maven be wrapped  in to the distributable version of NB?

Ken

RE: Javaone 2018

[Kenneth Fogel]

I've submitted 3 proposals but will be happy to be involved with other 
presentations. Hotel prices are much lower this year, actually made a 
refundable reservation for more than $500 less compared to last year at a hotel 
in Union Square. I'd hate not using it if I don't get the golden ticket. Every 
year this feels a little like Willy Wonka.

Ken


-Original Message-
From: Geertjan Wielenga  
Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2018 11:18 AM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Javaone 2018

Would be great!

Happy to participate too and will also be submitting sessions.

Gj

On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 5:03 PM, Zoran Sevarac  wrote:

> Yes I will also submit some talk about my app that uses NetBeans Platform.
>
> Are there any plans/ideas to submit something together, some community 
> session?
>
> On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM, mark stephens < 
> marksteph...@idrsolutions.com
> > wrote:
>
> > JavaOne has traditionally been a high point on the NetBeans calendar.
> >
> > This year it has morphed into 
> > https://www.oracle.com/code-one/index.html
> >
> > There is currently a call for speakers open until 10th May.
> >
> > https://reg.rainfocus.com/flow/oracle/oow18/codeonecfp/cfpHome
> >
> > I have put in 2 NetBeans proposals - a beginner talk on Using 
> > Netbeans
> IDE
> > (Writing better code (faster) in Apache NetBeans IDE) and one on 
> > some hacking I have been doing to the code (Hacking the NetBeans IDE).
> >
> > It is worth putting in a presentation as you get a ticket to all the 
> > activities at the event (including the concert).
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > MArk Stephens
> > IDRsolutions
> >
> >
> > 
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> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Zoran Sevarac, PhD, Assistant Professor Department of Software 
> Engineering University of Belgrade, Faculty of Organisational Sciences 
>  Neuroph  founder 
> | Java Champion 
>  | 
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RE: Celebrating 20 Years of NetBeans 1998 - 2018

[Kenneth Fogel]

I have submitted a proposal for a keynote at the September ApacheCon here in 
Montreal. Talking about Netbeans' 20 year history will be part of that. If 
anyone has any stories, anecdotes, or other information then I could use for my 
presentation please pass them on. I could also use this information to create a 
celebratory page on NetBeans' achievements in honor of its 20th birthday.

We will also need a birthday cake.

Ken


-Original Message-
From: Kai Uwe Pel [mailto:kaiuwe...@asia.com] 
Sent: April 5, 2018 11:57 AM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Celebrating 20 Years of NetBeans 1998 - 2018

Hello,

kindly I would like to reminder all you guys, that this year we are having our 
excellent "20 Years NetBeans Birthday"... if I am not wrong.

https://netbeans.org/birthday/

It would be great, if we could make an official announcement at our 
http://netbeans.apache.org  as well.

It would be also great, if someone can arrange this coming event/statement into 
public.

Cheers,
Kai


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ApacheCon Presentations

[Kenneth Fogel]

Hi,

Geertjan has recommended that I run my proposals for sessions on NetBeans at 
ApacheCon past everyone here. I have until Friday to submit. If any of you are 
planning on presenting in Montreal just let me know and I will defer to your 
presentation.

Here is what I came up with. They could all be beefed up a bit. The first I 
will propose as a keynote and the other two as a regular session. Having never 
submitted to an Apache Con please let me know if there is something I need to 
know or are missing. Here they are:
---
Apache and NetBeans
Since first being introduced to the Java programming community NetBeans has 
been a popular development environment whose users are passionate about it. 
NetBeans is now part of the Apache portfolio. In this presentation you will 
hear where NetBeans has come from, what sets it apart from the other IDEs, and 
where it is hoped to go as part of the Apache portfolio. NetBeans, the other 
IDE.

NetBeans and the Developer
NetBeans is a full featured IDE that does not get in the way of the developer. 
In this presentation you will see how NetBeans works with many of the standard 
tools and frameworks. You will see how smoothly NetBeans works with Maven and 
Git. You'll also see how NetBeans works with frameworks such as JavaFX, JSF, 
and others. NetBeans can also be the front-end tool for managing databases and 
servers and you will be shown how easy this is to do. NetBeans deserves your 
love and at the end of this presentation you will feel the love.

NetBeans and the Raspberry Pi
The Raspberry Pi is the most popular single board computer for experimenting 
and prototyping. NetBeans is the ideal tool for developing in this environment. 
In this presentation you will see how NetBeans can connect directly to a Pi 
from your desktop/laptop system. From here you will see how the development 
cycle works. Standalone applications, web applications, and robot applications 
will all be part of the demonstration. You can even run NetBeans directly on 
the Pi. Come and see the magic.
---

No need to be polite, just tell me what I need to improve the proposals,

Ken

RE: Casual Error Reporting

[Kenneth Fogel]

Hi,

When the RC build did not include EE I retrieved it through plugins. The only 
issues has been exceptions thrown when changing some config items and when 
trying to run the web app in my browser. I am able to prove that all is working.

From what you wrote, are the EE components I downloaded still NB 8.2?

Ken


-Original Message-
From: John McDonnell <mcdonnell.j...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 4:34 PM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Casual Error Reporting

Hi Kenneth,

I don't use Java EE day to day so my knowledge might be hazy but, the Java EE 
portion of NetBeans hasn't been donated yet, as such is likely you'll see 
errors relating to this in the NetBeans 9.0 Beta.  That means you can import 
the plugin from the plugin portal for Java EE, but I don't know how well that 
works.

Java EE is part of the second donation that shouldn't be too far away



Regards

John

On 26 March 2018 at 21:01, Kenneth Fogel <kfo...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have finally brought up NetBeans on my Windows 10 platform. I was 
> interested in how it will work with my web apps that I use in my courses.
> I'm running Java 9 alongside Java 8 and I am using Payara 5. Some 
> exceptions pop up and I am asked if these errors can be sent and my 
> netbeans.org credentials are accepted and my reports appear to be all 
> duplicates. I assume that other people are doing the same and getting 
> the same errors. The basic web app based on JSF and JPA/EclipseLink 
> runs flawlessly though I can't get NB 9 to open my browser. The app 
> runs fine from Payara's admin console.
>
> So my question is, am I doing this right or should I work more 
> formally in NetCat or are my exception reports sufficient?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ken
>
>

Casual Error Reporting

[Kenneth Fogel]

Hi,

I have finally brought up NetBeans on my Windows 10 platform. I was interested 
in how it will work with my web apps that I use in my courses. I'm running Java 
9 alongside Java 8 and I am using Payara 5. Some exceptions pop up and I am 
asked if these errors can be sent and my netbeans.org credentials are accepted 
and my reports appear to be all duplicates. I assume that other people are 
doing the same and getting the same errors. The basic web app based on JSF and 
JPA/EclipseLink runs flawlessly though I can't get NB 9 to open my browser. The 
app runs fine from Payara's admin console.

So my question is, am I doing this right or should I work more formally in 
NetCat or are my exception reports sufficient?

Thanks,

Ken

ApacheCon Montreal

[Kenneth Fogel]

I just received a notice of an Apache Con that will occur in Montreal at the 
end of September. I thought I might submit a talk on NetBeans. I could use 
suggestions about what I should put in my presentation such as what’s amazing 
about NetBeans 9.  The CFP closes March 30.

Ken Fogel

RE: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

[Kenneth Fogel]

As far as I can tell Swing and AWT were pretty much abandoned years ago except 
for maintenance.

Ken

-Original Message-
From: Matthias Bläsing [mailto:mblaes...@doppel-helix.eu] 
Sent: March 12, 2018 1:37 PM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from 
Oracle JDK

Am Montag, den 12.03.2018, 17:26 + schrieb Neil C Smith:
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 at 17:12 Geertjan Wielenga < 
> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I really wouldn't be worried at all about something that will be 
> > supported "through at least 2026".
> > 
> 
> In a public, freely available JDK?
> 

I did not see Swing or AWT marked as deprecated in OpenJDK. So removal
at this point is out of the question. I doubt that Oracle will remove
the whole desktop module from their JDK, so even Oracle JDK will most
probably carry AWT+Swing.

My reading is a bit less *heaven will fall*:

 * The java plugin is dead (thanks go to the browser makers)
 * Java Web Start is mostly dead and was never open source. Interested
   parties could place their money on Red Hat, which might have its
   open source successor (Iced Tea Web)
 * JavaFX is not part of the Oracle JDK anymore
 * The future of Swing and AWT is not yet decided

To read more into the white-paper is just reading tea-leaves. It might
be fun, but the future is not told there.

Greetings

Matthias

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RE: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

[Kenneth Fogel]

This is most distressing to me. You point out that "no new rendering pipelines 
using new nifty features of graphics cards". It implies that serious graphics 
application will need to be written in C/C++ and OpenGL. By my twisted logic it 
can also be said that EE is dead too because its been spun off to Eclipse. 

Ken

 


-Original Message-
From: Jaroslav Tulach [mailto:jaroslav.tul...@gmail.com] 
Sent: March 12, 2018 11:59 AM
To: Apache NetBeans 
Subject: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from 
Oracle JDK

> "Oracle has begun conversations with interested parties in the Java

> ecosystem on the stewardship of JavaFX, Swing and AWT beyond the above
 referenced timeframes."

>>>
>>
The official announcement is here and people are finally starting to realize 
the truth: There is no future for JavaFX, AWT and Swing. Nobody will sponsor 
development of anything new for these technologies. Even if they get transfered 
to their new owners, they will be in maintenance mode:
Bugfixes and little features. No bigger changes - no new rendering pipelines 
using new nifty features of graphics cards. Just sustaining. I've been 
explaining this would happen since 2012.

To help us out of this situation and save Java as a programming language I 
dedicated my days to smoothing out interoperability between Java and JavaScript 
with the goal to reuse the most flexible and portable rendering system of these 
days: the browser. My work has already been donated to Apache, see: 
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-html4j - let's use it to build new 
features of NetBeans and other future Java desktop applications. Get started by 
reading Javadoc at http://bits.netbeans.org/html+java/

Forget about AWT, Swing and JavaFX - the future is HTML. In case you still care 
about Java, then your future should be Apache HTML/Java API!
-jt

RE: [VOTE] Apache NetBeans Logo (NETBEANS-145)

[Kenneth Fogel]

Logo ID 2 : +1

-Original Message-
From: Antonio [mailto:anto...@vieiro.net] 
Sent: March 1, 2018 7:33 AM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: [VOTE] Apache NetBeans Logo (NETBEANS-145)

Hi all,

For popular demand let's vote about the NetBeans Logo in the mailing list, 
that's easier for everybody, right? This will close NETBEANS-145 [1].

The received entries are at [2].

Please state the icon identifer you vote for (only icons count, do not pay 
attention to typography).

Thanks all,
Antonio


[1]
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-145

[2]
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+Logo+Contest

 Forwarded Message 
Subject: Re: [ANN] Closing the NetBeans Logo Contest
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 12:23:50 +
From: John McDonnell 
Reply-To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

We should create a vote thread here, or on users.  This is consistent with 
normal apache votes.  All it needs is a link to the confluence page to show the 
images and their option numbers.

It avoids everyone having to have edit writes on the confluence just for a vote.

Regards

John



On 1 March 2018 at 12:21, John Kostaras  wrote:

> It's not clear where do we have to add our vote: in confluence 
>  Apache+NetBeans+Logo+Contest>or
> in jira ?
>
> I vote for option 2, too.
>
> Regards,
>
> John.
>
> On 1 March 2018 at 13:16, Neil C Smith  wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 at 12:08 Peter Steele  wrote:
> >
> > > That means you need to have an account that is approved for editting.
> > >
> >
> > Good catch!  Do we really want to restrict voting to wiki editors?  
> > Or to dev@?  Or to users@?
> >
> > Personally, I'm in favour of at least having a thread on here
> specifically
> > for voting, if not one at users@ too.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Neil
> > --
> > Neil C Smith
> > Artist & Technologist
> > www.neilcsmith.net
> >
> > Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - 
> > www.praxislive.org
> >
>


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RE: NetBeans Day Planning

[Kenneth Fogel]

Good to know for our event in January.

Ken


-Original Message-
From: Geertjan Wielenga [mailto:geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: August 31, 2017 3:37 AM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: NetBeans Day Planning

The last word on this from Apache is that what we're doing is running meetups. 
We don't need to ask for permission for each and every meetup, i.e., these are 
small events that are not a big deal.

If that direction is wrong or changed, hope a mentor or someone else can let us 
know.

Gj

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 8:17 AM, Anton Epple <toni.ep...@eppleton.de> wrote:

> Hi Geertjan,
>
> It’s fantastic news that the first code donation is finally complete.
>
> As you know I’m organizing a NetBeans Day for September 14th. So far I 
> didn’t contact Apache about the event, because the trademark, I 
> believe, was still Oracle’s. So Apache wouldn’t have been able to 
> grant clearance for my event anyway.
>
> After the first code donation is complete now, I would like to bring 
> up this topic again. Should I follow the process outlined in the wiki, 
> or is this still too early? Also, did you get a response from your 
> blanket request?
>
> Thanks
>
> Toni
>
>
>
> Am 07.05.17, 11:30 schrieb "Geertjan Wielenga" <
> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:
>
> A risk I'm seeing is that discussions we're having are going to 
> keep coming
> up again because we don't remember the earlier discussion because 
> of not
> having kept notes on it or documented the outcome. Based on the 
> "[mentors]
> Clearance for upcoming NetBeans events" thread, here's the guidance we
> received, i.e., now documented on the Wiki:
>
> 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBeans+Events
>
> Also, I have written to tradema...@apache.org to ask for a blanket
> clearance for our meetups, i.e., NetBeans Days are basically NetBeans
> meetups, i.e., events where between 60  and 100 community members get
> together to share their experiences and tips with NetBeans and related
> technologies. I've also asked how to announce these events via the 
> Apache
> channels.
>
> I've also pointed out that we'll not hold NetBeans Days at the 
> same time as
> ApacheCons in the same geography, and of course we'll be attending
> ApacheCons too, to talk about the cool things that Apache NetBeans
> (incubating) will make/is making possible for the whole Apache 
> community.
>
> Gj
>
> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > The thread is called "[mentors] Clearance for upcoming NetBeans 
> events".
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> There was a discussion about NetBeans Days earlier on in these 
> threads,
> >> specifically because of NetBeans Day Montreal. Please take a 
> look through
> >> the mail threads and you should find the answer to this question.
> >>
> >> Gj
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Kenneth Fogel < 
> kfo...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> Same question for Montreal's day next January.
> >>>
> >>> Ken
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Anton Epple [mailto:toni.ep...@eppleton.de]
> >>> Sent: May 3, 2017 5:05 AM
> >>> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> >>> Subject: NetBeans Day Planning
> >>>
> >>> Hi everyone,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> We’re planning to hold a NetBeans Day in Munich in September, 
> and I’ve
> >>> got a couple of questions regarding the event:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Since by then the project should have been (hopefully) 
> transferred to
> >>> Apache, I’d like to know who/where to ask for permission of 
> using the title
> >>> “NetBeans Day”.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Apache has an Event Listing (https://events.apache.org/). Is it
> >>> possible to get added there? Who should I talk to?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The last two NetBeans Days in Munich where sponsored by Oracle.
> The next
> >>> Event will be held at my office, and I’ll be able to sponsor a 
> part of it,
> >>> but since it’s an event for 80+ people I decided to also give 
> others a
> >>> chance to sponsor the event ;-). Does Apache have resources 
> for sponsoring
> >>> events or can Apache help with finding sponsors?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Toni
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
>

Wizards

[Kenneth Fogel]

Today I prepared and then gave a lecture on how to create a Maven based JavaFX 
project with NetBeans (pptx available on request). What made this harder than 
it had to be was that NetBeans is generating code for JavaFX 2.0 and not JavaFX 
8. A similar problem occurs when using JPA ORM where the JPA controller is for 
standalone applications rather than for server containers. I am curious if 
there is a dedicated group who keeps the wizards up to date. While I am not 
sufficiently skilled to work directly on NetBeans source or plugins  I am 
interested in improving the code that is generated whenever a new file or 
project is created. If there is some small way I can contribute then please 
call on me.

Ken

RE: NetBeans Day Planning

[Kenneth Fogel]

Hi,

Same question for Montreal's day next January.

Ken


-Original Message-
From: Anton Epple [mailto:toni.ep...@eppleton.de] 
Sent: May 3, 2017 5:05 AM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: NetBeans Day Planning

Hi everyone,

 

We’re planning to hold a NetBeans Day in Munich in September, and I’ve got a 
couple of questions regarding the event: 

 

Since by then the project should have been (hopefully) transferred to Apache, 
I’d like to know who/where to ask for permission of using the title “NetBeans 
Day”. 

 

Apache has an Event Listing (https://events.apache.org/). Is it possible to get 
added there? Who should I talk to? 

 

The last two NetBeans Days in Munich where sponsored by Oracle. The next Event 
will be held at my office, and I’ll be able to sponsor a part of it, but since 
it’s an event for 80+ people I decided to also give others a chance to sponsor 
the event ;-). Does Apache have resources for sponsoring events or can Apache 
help with finding sponsors?

 

Thanks

 

Toni

RE: Becoming a member

[Kenneth Fogel]

Hi Geertjan,

I think I figured it out. I inserted a row and added myself with a Need Vote. 
User name is kfogel.

Ken

-Original Message-
From: Geertjan Wielenga [mailto:geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: March 24, 2017 7:42 PM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Becoming a member

Hi Ken,

What's your Confluence user name?

Thanks,

Geertjan

On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 12:08 AM, Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de.invalid>
wrote:

> Hi Ken!
>
> The ASF is all merit based.
>
> The usual process is that someone contributes to a project for a while.
> And if the PMC members of the project think you would be a good 
> addition to the project then they hold an internal (private) VOTE 
> thread (72h) on this person.
>
> You can find a bit more information at:
> https://community.apache.org/contributors/
>
> During incubation thiss is a bit more relaxed. Sometimes there are 
> people who already did very valuable contributions to the project 
> before the incubation starts.
> In which case it is usually much faster to get on board.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> > Am 24.03.2017 um 23:44 schrieb Kenneth Fogel 
> ><kfo...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca
> >:
> >
> > So I created an account for Confluence. Then I created an account on
> JIRA. The Who's Who page says that if I am not a committer I need a 
> status of Need Vote. Problem is I can't see how to get on the list.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Geertjan Wielenga [mailto:geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com]
> > Sent: March 24, 2017 9:27 AM
> > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Becoming a member
> >
> > Here's the info:
> >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+Particip
> > ate
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 2:14 PM, Kenneth Fogel <
> kfo...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> While I had not planned to join as a committer or other category, 
> >> it seems that to make the process of setting up a Netbeans Day 
> >> easier I should join or sign up for something at Apache. I might 
> >> even contribute to make NetBeans a better tool in the classroom. 
> >> Could you point me to the appropriate place to do this? I could 
> >> sign up as an individual or a representative of my institution, Dawson 
> >> College.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Ken
> >>
> >> PS: I remember when we first started this list there were 
> >> references to this information but auto archiving has moved those 
> >> messages from my
> cache.
> >>
>
>

RE: Becoming a member

[Kenneth Fogel]

So I created an account for Confluence. Then I created an account on JIRA. The 
Who's Who page says that if I am not a committer I need a status of Need Vote. 
Problem is I can't see how to get on the list.

Ken


-Original Message-
From: Geertjan Wielenga [mailto:geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: March 24, 2017 9:27 AM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Becoming a member

Here's the info:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+Participate

Thanks,

Gj

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 2:14 PM, Kenneth Fogel <kfo...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca>
wrote:

> While I had not planned to join as a committer or other category, it 
> seems that to make the process of setting up a Netbeans Day easier I 
> should join or sign up for something at Apache. I might even 
> contribute to make NetBeans a better tool in the classroom. Could you 
> point me to the appropriate place to do this? I could sign up as an 
> individual or a representative of my institution, Dawson College.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ken
>
> PS: I remember when we first started this list there were references 
> to this information but auto archiving has moved those messages from my cache.
>

Becoming a member

[Kenneth Fogel]

While I had not planned to join as a committer or other category, it seems that 
to make the process of setting up a Netbeans Day easier I should join or sign 
up for something at Apache. I might even contribute to make NetBeans a better 
tool in the classroom. Could you point me to the appropriate place to do this? 
I could sign up as an individual or a representative of my institution, Dawson 
College.

Thanks,

Ken

PS: I remember when we first started this list there were references to this 
information but auto archiving has moved those messages from my cache.

RE: [mentors] Clearance for upcoming NetBeans events

[Kenneth Fogel]

Hi,

What do you propose that we do? I have a long lead time here in Montreal but 
there are a lot of hoops. For example, who is my PMC?

Ken


-Original Message-
From: Geertjan Wielenga [mailto:geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: March 23, 2017 11:56 AM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: [mentors] Clearance for upcoming NetBeans events

Hi all, especially our Apache mentors,

I've been told by Mark Struberg that we need to get clearance for NetBeans 
events, re this link:

https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/events.html

We have several upcoming NetBeans events, in fact, these are happening 
continually, NetBeans events are organized all over the world by members of the 
NetBeans community. Upcoming ones include the following:

April 2017:
NetBeans Day India in Bangalore
NetBeans Day UK in London
NetBeans Day Greece in Athens
October 2017:
NetBeans Day San Francisco
January 2018
NetBeans Day Canada in Montreal

All these are organized via members of the Apache NetBeans community.

What needs to be done to get clearance for the above, as well as upcoming 
events, must they be requested per event, etc.

Right now, the NetBeans brand has not been transferred officially to Apache, 
we'd like to do this once the first code donation has taken place.
Ultimately I suppose all these events would be known as Apache NetBeans Days 
rather than NetBeans Days.

Thanks,

Geertjan