Re: [PROPOSAL] Initiate a Contest for Branding of 4.0

2012-11-16 Thread Alexandro Colorado
We do need more communication channels specially with external entities.
Linux Journal blog, sourceforge newsletters, prominent news channels like
Lxer http://lxer.com/ and others. This is what marketing should be focused
on at the moment. That way initiatives like this grasp major notoriety in
the open source world.

On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 1:58 AM, Graham Lauder g.a.lau...@gmail.com wrote:

 Feel free to hack at it Kevin, all input welcomed. I'll get more time this
 weekend, although I've been called in for Saturday, just a minor job so
 hopefully it won't turn into a major, then I can dedicate some effort to
 it.

 Cheers
 G


 On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  KG01 - see comments
 
  On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Graham Lauder g.a.lau...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 6:03 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
  
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Graham Lauder g.a.lau...@gmail.com
 
wrote:
 5 days is about up and we have no -1so I've started a page for
  creating
of
 the proposed RFP on the confluence wiki here:


  https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Brand+Contest+RFP

   
Question:  Is it worth (maybe before or as part of the Aim section)
saying a few brief words about what the current branding is, its
history and why we are rebranding now?
   
  
   Yes, that will be part of the preamble to the RFP.  I'll be getting to
  that
   this weekend, I'm on a contract at the moment and as is usual they are
   trying to squeeze 52 weeks into twelve!  :)
  
   Cheers
   G
  
  
   
   
 Discussion on the marketing list?

 I'm travelling for the next two days, connection may be intemittent

 Cheers
 GL
   
  
 
 
 
  KG01:
 
  Graham,
 
  Can we please update the proposal to indicate that the contest is open to
  the general public and members of the AOO community. There is an
 assumption
  that our existing community are not capable, or interested in
 contributing.
  This is not the case.
 
  When do you expect to run this contest? I have completed some concepts
 and
  I want to share with community. Shall I wait for your content? or just
  start posting via UX site? On one hand, I want the contest to attract
  designers to OpenOffice, on the other hand, I want to promote my design
  concepts now.
 
  Thoughts?
 
  Regards,
  Kevin
 




-- 
Alexandro Colorado
Apache OpenOffice Contributor
http://es.openoffice.org


Request to provide windows install-arc zip download on buildbot.

2012-11-16 Thread Zhe Liu
Hi,
Who can help to make buildbot to provide windows install-arc zip download?
I can't find the package in the links.
http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/win/
http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/winsnap/
 It's very useful for automated test. Just one command to copy the zip
from instsetoo_native/wntmsci12.pro/OpenOffice/archive/install/ to
the download site.
 Thanks.
-- 
Best Regards
From aliu...@gmail.com


Fwd: Re: Request for a stand - Apache OpenOffice - FOSDEM

2012-11-16 Thread RA Stehmann
Hello,

we've ask for a stand on FOSDEM.

Regards
Michael

 Original-Nachricht 
Betreff: Re: Request for a stand - Apache OpenOffice
Datum: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:52:51 +0100
Von: Wynke Stulemeijer wy...@fosdem.org
An: Dr. Michael Stehmann anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de
CC: sta...@fosdem.org, pesce...@apache.org


Hi Michael,

Thank you for your stand proposal. We have added it to the list of
candidates.


Kind regards,

Wynke.


On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 06:45:35PM +0100, Dr. Michael Stehmann wrote:
 Hello,
 
 * Project name: Apache OpenOffice
 
 * Stand description
 Apache OpenOffice wants to present a free office suite an d the
 community making it.
 
 * Project URLs
 http://openoffice.org
 http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/
 
 * Your name and relation to the project
 Michael Stehmann, Committer
 Mechtilde Stehmann, Committer
 
 * Why should FOSDEM accept this proposal?
 
 Apache OpenOffice (formerly OpenOffice.org) wants to come again to
 FOSDEM, for the first time as an Apache Top-Level Project.
 
 In the last years (except 2011, in that year we were guests at the
 CAcert stand) OpenOffice.org presented product and community at FOSDEM
 with a stand.
 
 OpenOffice is one of the largest Apache projects and we are hopefully we
 can bring our very good experiences with FOSDEM into the whole Apache
 community.
 
 Regards
 
 Mechtilde and Michael
 



 ___
 stands mailing list
 sta...@lists.fosdem.org
 https://lists.fosdem.org/listinfo/stands





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Re: New committer: Jan Iversen

2012-11-16 Thread jan iversen
Thanks for the promotion.

CMS / Pootle works, and I am trying hard to make a correct loaf file.

Any idea when SVN will be relocated ?

Jan

On 15 November 2012 23:58, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:

 The Apache OpenOffice PMC announces the addition of committer
 Jan Iversen, jani@ apache.org

 The list of all current podling committers is at:
 http://people.apache.org/**committers-by-project.html#ooohttp://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#ooo
 **.
 [ Not updated in real time; it might not reflect the new addition ]

 Committers have a defined role in the workings of the Apache Software
 Foundation: 
 http://www.apache.org/**foundation/how-it-works.htmlhttp://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html
 .

 For new committers:

 First, please read through the Guide for New Committers:
 http://www.apache.org/dev/new-**committers-guide.htmlhttp://www.apache.org/dev/new-committers-guide.html
   There is some
 useful information there related to email, security, etc.

 Secondly, you can control your profile and settings by using your
 Apache User ID and password, supplied for your Apache account,
 to log on to http://id.apache.org.  There you can change your
 password to one of your choosing.  In addition, please add the
 other e-mail addresses that you want to be known by.  If you want
 to change the forwarding of e-mail in the future, use
 the profile to accomplish that.

 Finally, you are now authorized to make commits to the Apache
 OpenOffice SVN repository and other repositories established
 for committers.  Use the https: version of the SVN URL.  Your
 Apache ID and password will be required on your first commit.
 Use options to retain your credentials for future commits if
 appropriate.

 [ Note: Jan's privileges apply to the new repository URL, so they will
 work only after SVN has been relocated; in the meantime, the best way to
 test committer privileges is to access Pootle or other services ]

  - the Apache OpenOffice PMC




Re: [BUILD] New gmake branch

2012-11-16 Thread Andre Fischer

On 16.11.2012 02:38, Andrew Rist wrote:

Andre,

I have updated the gmake branch (branches/gbuild) and changed all the 
headers.  A couple of quick fixes are added.
At this point the branch is trunk + CWS patches.   make -di takes me 
pretty far in, but I get:

GNUmakefile:35: *** Corrupted module targetstack! . Stop

also, there is a warning due to a hack in 
main/svx/AllLangResTarget_svx.mk (~108/135)


Can you see if you can nudge this forward?  Also, please teach us all 
to fish, so explain any fixes you make.


That is great news.  I will try to find the time to work on this.

-Andre



Thanks,
A.





Re: [PROPOSAL] Initiate a Contest for Branding of 4.0

2012-11-16 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 3:18 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote:
 We do need more communication channels specially with external entities.
 Linux Journal blog, sourceforge newsletters, prominent news channels like
 Lxer http://lxer.com/ and others. This is what marketing should be focused
 on at the moment. That way initiatives like this grasp major notoriety in
 the open source world.


Now that we've graduated we are allowed to make more formal
announcements, even press releases.  So if we develop a distribution
list we can target news channels like this.  But we would want to
provide the full package, e.g., quotes, a contact person for further
questions, etc.   Make it easy for the journalist on a busy schedule.

-Rob


 On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 1:58 AM, Graham Lauder g.a.lau...@gmail.com wrote:

 Feel free to hack at it Kevin, all input welcomed. I'll get more time this
 weekend, although I've been called in for Saturday, just a minor job so
 hopefully it won't turn into a major, then I can dedicate some effort to
 it.

 Cheers
 G


 On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  KG01 - see comments
 
  On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Graham Lauder g.a.lau...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 6:03 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
  
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Graham Lauder g.a.lau...@gmail.com
 
wrote:
 5 days is about up and we have no -1so I've started a page for
  creating
of
 the proposed RFP on the confluence wiki here:


  https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Brand+Contest+RFP

   
Question:  Is it worth (maybe before or as part of the Aim section)
saying a few brief words about what the current branding is, its
history and why we are rebranding now?
   
  
   Yes, that will be part of the preamble to the RFP.  I'll be getting to
  that
   this weekend, I'm on a contract at the moment and as is usual they are
   trying to squeeze 52 weeks into twelve!  :)
  
   Cheers
   G
  
  
   
   
 Discussion on the marketing list?

 I'm travelling for the next two days, connection may be intemittent

 Cheers
 GL
   
  
 
 
 
  KG01:
 
  Graham,
 
  Can we please update the proposal to indicate that the contest is open to
  the general public and members of the AOO community. There is an
 assumption
  that our existing community are not capable, or interested in
 contributing.
  This is not the case.
 
  When do you expect to run this contest? I have completed some concepts
 and
  I want to share with community. Shall I wait for your content? or just
  start posting via UX site? On one hand, I want the contest to attract
  designers to OpenOffice, on the other hand, I want to promote my design
  concepts now.
 
  Thoughts?
 
  Regards,
  Kevin
 




 --
 Alexandro Colorado
 Apache OpenOffice Contributor
 http://es.openoffice.org


Re: New committer: Jan Iversen

2012-11-16 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 5:05 AM, jan iversen j...@apache.org wrote:
 Thanks for the promotion.


Congratulations!


 CMS / Pootle works, and I am trying hard to make a correct loaf file.

 Any idea when SVN will be relocated ?


You can see the latest status on the JIRA issues here:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5407

It looks like we need careful coordination between the website
migration and the SVN migration since the website is built from SVN.

-Rob

 Jan

 On 15 November 2012 23:58, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:

 The Apache OpenOffice PMC announces the addition of committer
 Jan Iversen, jani@ apache.org

 The list of all current podling committers is at:
 http://people.apache.org/**committers-by-project.html#ooohttp://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#ooo
 **.
 [ Not updated in real time; it might not reflect the new addition ]

 Committers have a defined role in the workings of the Apache Software
 Foundation: 
 http://www.apache.org/**foundation/how-it-works.htmlhttp://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html
 .

 For new committers:

 First, please read through the Guide for New Committers:
 http://www.apache.org/dev/new-**committers-guide.htmlhttp://www.apache.org/dev/new-committers-guide.html
   There is some
 useful information there related to email, security, etc.

 Secondly, you can control your profile and settings by using your
 Apache User ID and password, supplied for your Apache account,
 to log on to http://id.apache.org.  There you can change your
 password to one of your choosing.  In addition, please add the
 other e-mail addresses that you want to be known by.  If you want
 to change the forwarding of e-mail in the future, use
 the profile to accomplish that.

 Finally, you are now authorized to make commits to the Apache
 OpenOffice SVN repository and other repositories established
 for committers.  Use the https: version of the SVN URL.  Your
 Apache ID and password will be required on your first commit.
 Use options to retain your credentials for future commits if
 appropriate.

 [ Note: Jan's privileges apply to the new repository URL, so they will
 work only after SVN has been relocated; in the meantime, the best way to
 test committer privileges is to access Pootle or other services ]

  - the Apache OpenOffice PMC




Re: Apache OO program crashes

2012-11-16 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann

Hi,

On 14.11.2012 16:43, tj wrote:

On 11/14/2012 09:52, Fan Zheng wrote:

+1.

A reproduce-able frequently crash issue should be considered as the NO. 1
issue anyway, whatever it is or not a well-known one. Especially for the
crash cases happen in the startup period.

and I agree with Rob that work-around solution would be acceptable for
current stage, if we dont have time for a BEAUTIFUL one. Just telling guys
that removing something in some place would confuse users, especially the
new comers.


+1

This /might/ happen to me, and I am preparing to make a reproducible case out of
it, if it does happen. My WV system has 3.3 installed, with 3.4 Beta and AOO
3.4.0 running in parallel. The 3.3 is heavily customized with menu and toolbar
alterations and several extensions. When I install 3.4.1 over the 3.3, ...

I will save the entire user folder for 3.3 first. Any other suggestions or
requests? (I lack the fu to work on this directly — all I have for XML editing
is Writer itself — but I'd sure like to help.)



It would be great to have these crashes reproducible.
I am currently facing the problem that in my various environments - native Win7 
(64bit) and various VMs with different Windows version - these crashes do not 
occur. Thus, as a developer I can not find the root cause in order to fix it.


Best regards, Oliver.


RE: Symphony IP Cleanup

2012-11-16 Thread Pedro Giffuni


--- Gio 15/11/12, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org ha scritto:
...
 
 So there is flexibility so long as no code appears in
 releases, but as you point out, code is leaking from the
 Symphony base into releases under the table.  That is
 not healthy.
 

I wouldnt put it like that. We are slowly taking what we need, and
that actually saves us time as we are not spending resources
on things that will never be released. This approach depends on
having IBM developers available but that is luckily the case.

All just IMHO though.

Pedro.





Let's think about a Call for Dev Volunteers

2012-11-16 Thread Rob Weir
As you have probably seen, we're currently doing a call for QA
volunteer, supported by a blog post, the website and social media.
They all direct users to an Introduction to QA page:
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/orientation/intro-qa.html

We've been promoting this for a week now and have received 5 or 6 good
responses.  Of course, not everyone who responds will become a
longer-term volunteer, but this is how we start.  I invite anyone with
some spare time (ha!) to jump on the QA list to help
coach/mentor/orient the new volunteers.  Their initial experience, in
the first few days and weeks, is critical.

This QA promotion follows some initial experiments with putting
targeted calls for volunteers on NL home pages.  You cans see an
example here:   http://www.openoffice.org/hi/

This approach has been very successful, perhaps because we get the
plea in front of exactly the audience that can most help in the
translation tasks.  In some cases we received 2 or 3 volunteers for a
language within a few days of adding this kind of message.   I'm
hoping we can do a broader call for localization volunteers as well.
Juergen has promised a blog post on this topic, based on his ApacheCon
presentation.

Next up I have a call for marketing volunteers:
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/orientation/intro-marketing.html
   We're still reviewing that page, and I need to prepare a blog post.
 Hopefully we can start promoting this in a week or two.

Which all brings us to Dev.  We all know how critical developers are.
I'm pretty sure that was why beer was invented.   I saved Dev for the
end because I wanted to fine-tune the recruitment approach before
doing Dev.   I'd like to brainstorm a little on what kind of
information we should gather together, in the form of new material or
links to existing (or updated) material, to make an Intro to Dev
page, in the style of the ones above.

Assumptions:

-- Volunteer has practical C++ and platform skills on at least one
core platform.  It is not practical for us to teach someone C++.

Goals:

-- Volunteer is able to download and build AOO

-- Volunteer is able to run AOO in a debugger

-- Volunteer is able to fix an easy bug in Bugzilla

-- Volunteer is able to submit a patch to fix the bug

-- Volunteer understands the basics about how we work on the lists,
how we make decisions, etc.

IMHO, someone who does the above, and repeats it 3 or 4 times, and
sticks around for a month or more, and is not a jerk, then they are
probably a good committer candidate.  I think that would be one
success metric for us.

Considering the above, I think we'd want the Intro to Dev page to
feature (not necessarily in this order):

-- Link to intro on Subversion

-- Patch submission instructions

-- Link to the Building Guide -- but might need a refresh

-- Link to a debugging guide (does this even exist?)

-- Link to Bugzilla and a pre-defined search for unclaimed easy
bugs. (Also, we need to mark some easy bugs in advance)

-- Link to previous write up on Discussion lists, Apache Way, etc.


Also, another idea was whether we might make the initial build
experience far easier for the developer if we encouraged the use of a
single platform and version.  A developer can use whatever they want,
within reason, of course.  But what if we said, if you use Ubuntu
12.04 LTS then here is a script that will install the exact pre-reqs
you need and bring down the build, set all the flags and kick off a
build?  In other words, control the environment and we can make the
initial build be painless.   In a world of virtual machines, this is
possible.

Anything else for the guide?   What else does a new developer need to
know to get started?   Also, is anyone interested in helping me put
this together?


-Rob


Re: Request to provide windows install-arc zip download on buildbot.

2012-11-16 Thread Andrew Rist


On 11/16/2012 12:18 AM, Zhe Liu wrote:

Hi,
Who can help to make buildbot to provide windows install-arc zip download?
I can't find the package in the links.
http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/win/
http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/winsnap/
  It's very useful for automated test. Just one command to copy the zip
from instsetoo_native/wntmsci12.pro/OpenOffice/archive/install/ to
the download site.
  Thanks.
I am happy to make changes to the configuration step.  What is the 
specific change needs to be made to the config command?
(this is a question for the larger community  anyone who knows 
please chime in.)
I know on Linux we use the --with-package-format=installed rpm deb to 
set the packaging - what is the correct version on Windows?

Also, for the automated testing:

 * are you using nightly or the snapshots build?
 * what languages are you interested in?
 * how can we hook up the testing to the buildbots and run it as part
   of the nightly??

A.



Re: [PROPOSAL] Initiate a Contest for Branding of 4.0

2012-11-16 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 7:01 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 3:18 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote:
  We do need more communication channels specially with external entities.
  Linux Journal blog, sourceforge newsletters, prominent news channels like
  Lxer http://lxer.com/ and others. This is what marketing should be
 focused
  on at the moment. That way initiatives like this grasp major notoriety in
  the open source world.
 

 Now that we've graduated we are allowed to make more formal
 announcements, even press releases.  So if we develop a distribution
 list we can target news channels like this.  But we would want to
 provide the full package, e.g., quotes, a contact person for further
 questions, etc.   Make it easy for the journalist on a busy schedule.


We used to have MarCons in the past. I wonder how will this be handled now?
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Marketing/MarCons

The development of press kits were also handled with specific guidelines
usually localized and with a consistent structure. Here is a sample of the
releases and how the structure consider a presskit:
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoRelease33





 -Rob


  On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 1:58 AM, Graham Lauder g.a.lau...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Feel free to hack at it Kevin, all input welcomed. I'll get more time
 this
  weekend, although I've been called in for Saturday, just a minor job so
  hopefully it won't turn into a major, then I can dedicate some effort to
  it.
 
  Cheers
  G
 
 
  On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Kevin Grignon 
 kevingrignon...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   KG01 - see comments
  
   On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Graham Lauder g.a.lau...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 6:03 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
 wrote:
   
 On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Graham Lauder 
 g.a.lau...@gmail.com
  
 wrote:
  5 days is about up and we have no -1so I've started a page for
   creating
 of
  the proposed RFP on the confluence wiki here:
 
 
  
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Brand+Contest+RFP
 

 Question:  Is it worth (maybe before or as part of the Aim
 section)
 saying a few brief words about what the current branding is, its
 history and why we are rebranding now?

   
Yes, that will be part of the preamble to the RFP.  I'll be getting
 to
   that
this weekend, I'm on a contract at the moment and as is usual they
 are
trying to squeeze 52 weeks into twelve!  :)
   
Cheers
G
   
   


  Discussion on the marketing list?
 
  I'm travelling for the next two days, connection may be
 intemittent
 
  Cheers
  GL

   
  
  
  
   KG01:
  
   Graham,
  
   Can we please update the proposal to indicate that the contest is
 open to
   the general public and members of the AOO community. There is an
  assumption
   that our existing community are not capable, or interested in
  contributing.
   This is not the case.
  
   When do you expect to run this contest? I have completed some concepts
  and
   I want to share with community. Shall I wait for your content? or just
   start posting via UX site? On one hand, I want the contest to attract
   designers to OpenOffice, on the other hand, I want to promote my
 design
   concepts now.
  
   Thoughts?
  
   Regards,
   Kevin
  
 
 
 
 
  --
  Alexandro Colorado
  Apache OpenOffice Contributor
  http://es.openoffice.org




-- 
Alexandro Colorado
Apache OpenOffice Contributor
http://es.openoffice.org


Apache mailing list archives

2012-11-16 Thread Larry Gusaas
The new addresses for the mailing lists appear on 
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html


But the links to the Apache archives still point to the incubator mailing lists. Non of the 
recent posts are in those archives.


--

-

Larry I. Gusaas
Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan   Canada
Website:  http://larry-gusaas.com
An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs. - 
Edgard Varese



Re: Best practices for contributing code to both Apache OpenOffice and LibreOffice

2012-11-16 Thread Jörg Schmidt
 

 -Original Message-
 From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] 

 This should be possible.  Right now I'm mainly gathering ideas and
 feedback.  Then I can propose some specific wording.  If that is good,
 then we can think about translations.

Rob,

I would really like to to help, but I think it would have to go to this really 
good terms and I think you see that my English is as bad as your German ;-)

If a German formulated text as a basis for further translations would appear 
useful, am I like to formulate a text ready, but a really good English text, I 
can not create.


Greetings,
Jörg



Re: [UX] Desoign Exploration - Dockable Task Pane Content Design

2012-11-16 Thread RGB ES
2012/11/16 Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com

 On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 
  On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 9:28 PM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  2012/11/15 Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com
 
   Hello All,
  
   I've been exploring the information design (content) for the dockable
  task
   pane. I've analyzed the current content in both LS and AOO, and
 captured
   some thoughts on future design direction.
   See:
  
  
 
 http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Design_Exploration_-_Task_Pane_Content_-_Information_Design
  
   Capture any thoughts or feedback in the discussion section of the wiki
   page.
   Thanks,
   Kevin
  
 
  Good ideas, indeed! Just a small point about the proposal: you are
  separating direct formatting (Content properties) from styles (Style
 list)
  which is a good idea, but we must keep in mind that there is no direct
  formatting for pages on Writer: the menu you get when you go to Format
 →
  Page does *not* do direct formatting, it just edit the current page
 style.
 
  IMO, the options are:
 
  - to not include page information on the content properties docker
 
  - to just show a static info panel giving the option to edit the
  corresponding page style or to apply one of the styles from a list.
 
  Maybe (thinking aloud in real time) instead of a page section it would
  be
  more interesting to show a breaks section, where you can insert and
  manage page breaks with change of page styles and reset of page
  numbering... or maybe put all this on its own panel. The possibility to
  edit the page style should be limited to the style list panel.
 
  Regards
  Ricardo
 
 
 
  Ricardo,
 
  Thanks for the input.
 
  I've posted your comments to the wiki discussion.
 
  I'll explore the page properties vs. style options.
 
  Regards,
  Kevin
 
 
  Ricardo,

 While Lotus Symphony presents page properties in the contextual task pane,
 they are related to the 'Page Styles'. Evoking the 'More' option command in
 page properties section header evokes the Page Styles document.

 So, are the page properties actually stored as styles, or just called
 styles?


That's right: page formatting can only be stored as styles. In fact, if you
want a landscape page between two portrait pages you need at lest two page
styles and change between them with two page breaks.

As a matter of fact, *everything* on Writer is stored as style, not only
page formatting. The ODF specialists here can tell the story far better
than me, but as far as I understand it even direct character and paragraph
formatting is stored on content.xml as hidden styles that do not show on
the Stylist (real styles are always on styles.xml). Even manual page
breaks are stored as one of those phantom paragraph styles with the page
break - before property enabled. But for page formatting there is no
hidden style: you need to define (or modify existing ones) as many real
page styles as page formats you need on a document *before* you apply them
using a proper page breaks. So, from the user perspective we do not have
direct formatting for pages, only (sort of) for paragraph and character
formatting.

NOTE: I really like the style only way. In fact, I would love to see an
alternative Writer UI were direct formatting is completely forbidden.
Direct formatting is a bad habit that always cause headaches. But that's
just me ;)

Regards
Ricardo




 I can't imaging someone looking to change the page styles to change the
 page orientation. Curious.

 Thoughts?

 Kevin



[Mwiki] Spam Attack in progress!

2012-11-16 Thread TJ Frazier
Since 05:00 (UTC+5) this morning, I have blocked over 150 spammers; the 
deleted-pages count is higher. Normal would be about half a dozen. And 
still they come.


In the short run, I can probably handle it, though help from any 
committer sysops would be useful.


In the long run, some site-maintainer work is needed. The additional 
powers available in later Mwiki versions might be enough to control this 
sort of thing. Clayton has advised that upgrading is a non-trivial 
problem, due to a possible encoding foul-up. Whatever we do, we need to 
do it sometime soon.


/tj/



Re: Editing needed on BZ footer -- remove podling reference

2012-11-16 Thread Kay Schenk
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:


 On Nov 15, 2012, at 3:08 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:

 
 
  On 11/14/2012 05:06 PM, TJ Frazier wrote:
  On 11/14/2012 18:47, Kay Schenk wrote:
  HI --
 
  Could one of our BZ admins please remove the podling reference in the
  footer area for Apache OOo Bugzilla? Thanks.
 
  Hi, Kay,
 
  A little research in the BZ Help [1] reveals in Section 6.3.5 that the
  global footer is in a template, global/footer.html.tmpl. AFAIK it will
  take root access to the system to change, i.e., we need a site
  maintainer to do it.
 
  HTH,
  /tj/
 
  Thanks again...Ok, I set up a task for infra --
 
  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5529

 And it is already done!

 BTW - There is no Apache OOo or Apache OpenOffice.org project. Shouldn't
 we rename this the Apache OpenOffice Bugzilla instead of Apache OOo
 Bugzilla?

 Regards,
 Dave


We probably should. I saw this also, but didn't take the time to bring this
up. :/ We should probably do as you suggest Apache OOo - Apache
OpenOffice. You'e only talking about the footer contents, right?


 
 
  [1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/docs/en/html/cust-templates.html
 
 
  --
  
  MzK
 
  “How wrong is it for a woman to expect the man to build the world
  she wants, rather than to create it herself?”
 -- Anais Nin




-- 

MzK

“How wrong is it for a woman to expect the man to build the world
 she wants, rather than to create it herself?”

-- Anais Nin


Re: Editing needed on BZ footer -- remove podling reference

2012-11-16 Thread Dave Fisher

On Nov 16, 2012, at 5:40 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:

 On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 
 On Nov 15, 2012, at 3:08 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
 
 
 
 On 11/14/2012 05:06 PM, TJ Frazier wrote:
 On 11/14/2012 18:47, Kay Schenk wrote:
 HI --
 
 Could one of our BZ admins please remove the podling reference in the
 footer area for Apache OOo Bugzilla? Thanks.
 
 Hi, Kay,
 
 A little research in the BZ Help [1] reveals in Section 6.3.5 that the
 global footer is in a template, global/footer.html.tmpl. AFAIK it will
 take root access to the system to change, i.e., we need a site
 maintainer to do it.
 
 HTH,
 /tj/
 
 Thanks again...Ok, I set up a task for infra --
 
 https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5529
 
 And it is already done!
 
 BTW - There is no Apache OOo or Apache OpenOffice.org project. Shouldn't
 we rename this the Apache OpenOffice Bugzilla instead of Apache OOo
 Bugzilla?
 
 Regards,
 Dave
 
 
 We probably should. I saw this also, but didn't take the time to bring this
 up. :/ We should probably do as you suggest Apache OOo - Apache
 OpenOffice. You'e only talking about the footer contents, right?

More than the footers for this one the name is in many places on the front. TJ 
might know how big this lift is.

Regards,
Dave

 
 
 
 
 [1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/docs/en/html/cust-templates.html
 
 
 --
 
 MzK
 
 “How wrong is it for a woman to expect the man to build the world
 she wants, rather than to create it herself?”
   -- Anais Nin
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 
 MzK
 
 “How wrong is it for a woman to expect the man to build the world
 she wants, rather than to create it herself?”
 
 -- Anais Nin



Re: Editing needed on BZ footer -- remove podling reference

2012-11-16 Thread TJ Frazier

On 11/16/2012 22:04, Dave Fisher wrote:


On Nov 16, 2012, at 5:40 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:


On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:



On Nov 15, 2012, at 3:08 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:




On 11/14/2012 05:06 PM, TJ Frazier wrote:

On 11/14/2012 18:47, Kay Schenk wrote:

HI --

Could one of our BZ admins please remove the podling reference in the
footer area for Apache OOo Bugzilla? Thanks.


Hi, Kay,

A little research in the BZ Help [1] reveals in Section 6.3.5 that the
global footer is in a template, global/footer.html.tmpl. AFAIK it will
take root access to the system to change, i.e., we need a site
maintainer to do it.

HTH,
/tj/


Thanks again...Ok, I set up a task for infra --

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5529


And it is already done!

BTW - There is no Apache OOo or Apache OpenOffice.org project. Shouldn't
we rename this the Apache OpenOffice Bugzilla instead of Apache OOo
Bugzilla?

Regards,
Dave



We probably should. I saw this also, but didn't take the time to bring this
up. :/ We should probably do as you suggest Apache OOo - Apache
OpenOffice. You'e only talking about the footer contents, right?


More than the footers for this one the name is in many places on the front. TJ 
might know how big this lift is.

Regards,
Dave


AFAIK, it's all in the templates. /tj/







[1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/docs/en/html/cust-templates.html






Re: Apache and ODF

2012-11-16 Thread Alki Nea
Greetings,
I wrote a free converter that takes an OpenOffice document (well, LibreOffice)
and converts it to Kindle format.
It's impossible to handle everything from the ODT format, as kindles are more
restrictive, so don't expect a 100% perfect conversion.
You can get it here: http://soft.alkinea.net
It uses kindlegen as the last step in the conversion, to ensure a better
compatibility with all kindles and future Amazon changes.
It's still in beta, but it's rather stable now.
Hope it helps.
Alki