Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module
Hello All, I'm George Fravel and live in the Downingtown area of Pennsylvania ( a suburb of Philadelphia), USA. I have a background in systems analysis, organizational operational improvement (staffing, staff scheduling, materials management, etc), management of software development, web development, and training/teaching. Prior to the above, I was an officer in the U.S. Army for eight years. Current semi-retired I teach introduction to computers and applications (MS office) at LaSalle University (Philadelphia, PA, USA) and periodically web development, java programming, HTML, animation and graphics (Flash and PhotoShop) and digital photography. Until programs were dropped, I also taught the above for Penn State University, DPT Business School, and Cittone Institute (the latter two being business schools). Based on content provided on open source sites, it appears that my most likely use would be in the categories of user and QA. I'm looking for MEANINGFUL involvement in development and QA my background might suggest. George Fravel Sent from my iPad)
Nightly Builds
Hello where can I get an actual nightly build for testing for a 64 bit Linux-System (favoured DEBs) http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/#linux64 gives a 404 Kind regards Mechtilde signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Nightly Builds
Sorry for the noise, Now it works Mechtilde Am 17.02.2013 09:38, schrieb Mechtilde: Hello where can I get an actual nightly build for testing for a 64 bit Linux-System (favoured DEBs) http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/#linux64 gives a 404 Kind regards Mechtilde signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0
On 16/02/2013 Hagar Delest wrote: I'm rather disappointed by the way it has been handled. I agree it could have been better. There were also some unprecedented events, like a veto, and the discussion mixed in procedural elements, technical elements, folkloristic elements... And the tone of some messages should have been better. There are other threads open to discuss the generic handling, and I'm confident we will improve in future. Regards, Andrea.
Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar
On 12/02/2013 Jürgen Schmidt wrote: If we support both the underlying code would be more complex, slower and more ugly to maintain. OK. I had understood this part, so let's have a detailed description of the impact before we see how to handle this. The whole discussion is really based on assumption. We can ask our friends of SourceForge to analyze by a script all extensions and check if they contain an Addon.xcu or not. All developers, maintainers of extensions with Addon.xcu can we contact and can inform them about the proposed change and how to adapt the xcu. Good ideas, and we could maybe consider to add an Outdated notice, similar to the wiki pages, to extensions that contain an Addons.xcu. So, to start getting some facts, what should the script do? Unzip the extension and look in the expanded tree for a file named exactly Addons.xcu (not Addon.xcu, right)? Shall we also ask to check how many extensions provide an OpenOffice.org-maximal-version parameter as listed at http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/Extensions/Description_of_XML_Elements ? In light of Ariel's detailed analysis of the Oracle extensions (thanks!), what does Addons.cxu but *only* with OfficeMenuBarMerging node mean? I assume you meant Addons.xcu, but what does only with OfficeMenuBarMerging node mean? That these extensions will not be affected by this particular change? Or that updating them will be easier? We will have other elements to consider before assessing the impact on users (for example, the website does not currently filter by OpenOffice version; and some popular extensions, like LanguageTool, are not hosted in the official repository), but it's very good if we can have some real numbers to start. Regards, Andrea.
Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: My impression was that even if we made no changes, from the user's perspective, they would lose all extensions. This is due to the change in base directory for the profile. So all extensions would be lost and need to be reinstalled. So there will be no doubt in the user's mind, even if they do not read the release notes, that the extensions are gone. Just copy the Firefox way A dialog reading something like Oh, we´ve detected some extesions, checking for compatibility with 4.0... followed by the following extensions are not compatible with 4.0 and have been disabled, you might want to check [url] for newer versions compatible with 4.0. Of course, automated checking of each extension on a central database (like FF does) would be great, but the half-solution (informative message) above is better than nothing. Just my $0.02 FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto Revolucionario - George Orwell
[BUG][Assignment] Bug 121722 - IMCSCH and IMSECH calculate wrong
Hi, I would like to fix this bug. Can someone assign it to me? I think I should modify this in the module SC, correct? Thanks, Regards, Maarten
Re: [BUG][Assignment] Bug 121722 - IMCSCH and IMSECH calculate wrong
Maarten Kesselaers wrote: I would like to fix this bug. Can someone assign it to me? With pleasure! https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121722 is all yours now. I think I should modify this in the module SC, correct? Regina wrote in the issue that this is implemented in the scaddins module: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/main/scaddins/ A remark: you might have noticed that there is some resistance to changing the values returned by Calc formulas unless they are clearly wrong. So I would recommend that you also attach to the issue a test document where one can clearly see that the results we return now are wrong and that your patch fixes the problem while not introducing new bugs. Regards, Andrea.
Re: [BUG][Assignment] Bug 121722 - IMCSCH and IMSECH calculate wrong
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 11:26:54AM +0100, Maarten Kesselaers wrote: Hi, I would like to fix this bug. Can someone assign it to me? I think I should modify this in the module SC, correct? OpenGrok is your friend: http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/search?q=IMCSCHproject=aoo-trunk Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina pgpWoCPpDKMGz.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts in the future
On 15/02/2013 Greg Stein wrote: On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 05:31:43PM -0500, Rob Weir wrote: The point of a veto and a quick reversion is to return the code base quick to a state where it does not contain controversial changes in it. That is NOT the point of a veto. A veto is don't ship with that. The corollary actions are very, very different from what you suggest. Staying on the constructive part of this thread, here's Ross Gardler speaking from the past (2011): http://www.slideshare.net/rgardler/the-apache-way-and-openofficeorg --- How Conflict is Resolved * Everyone has a veto (-1) * Only committers veto is binding * Veto must be supported: - Reasoned argument with course of action - Willingness to implement alternative * Veto's force discussion and, if supported, version control rollback * Code can be vetoed, releases cannot --- If all this information is integrated into http://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html#Veto it will be easier in future to approach similar situations. (For the rest, I'm rather happy to see that some bold forward-looking statements in Ross' presentation are now true or mostly true... the project has made many steps forward since 2011!) Regards, Andrea.
Re: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts in the future
I hope someone moderates this through as I'm no longer subscribed to the list (Andrea cc'd me) Reviewing those bullets the only one that might be confusing is Willingness to implement alternative. Technically any supportes veto will stand however, in practice, I (me personally) expect people using a veto to still be active on a project. An alternative here means that the person using the veto acknowledges another community members desire to have a certain change and is willing to help the community find a solution that is an acceptable compromise. With this clarification I think all the points are already in the FAQ but if wording can be improved all committer have write access to the Apache.org site (if you want a review then members@ is the right place). Ross Sent from a mobile device, please excuse mistakes and brevity On 17 Feb 2013 13:50, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 15/02/2013 Greg Stein wrote: On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 05:31:43PM -0500, Rob Weir wrote: The point of a veto and a quick reversion is to return the code base quick to a state where it does not contain controversial changes in it. That is NOT the point of a veto. A veto is don't ship with that. The corollary actions are very, very different from what you suggest. Staying on the constructive part of this thread, here's Ross Gardler speaking from the past (2011): http://www.slideshare.net/**rgardler/the-apache-way-and-**openofficeorghttp://www.slideshare.net/rgardler/the-apache-way-and-openofficeorg --- How Conflict is Resolved * Everyone has a veto (-1) * Only committers veto is binding * Veto must be supported: - Reasoned argument with course of action - Willingness to implement alternative * Veto's force discussion and, if supported, version control rollback * Code can be vetoed, releases cannot --- If all this information is integrated into http://www.apache.org/**foundation/glossary.html#Vetohttp://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html#Veto it will be easier in future to approach similar situations. (For the rest, I'm rather happy to see that some bold forward-looking statements in Ross' presentation are now true or mostly true... the project has made many steps forward since 2011!) Regards, Andrea.
Re: Draft blog post: International Mother Language Day 2013 -- Translations requested
Hi, Thanks for your good work! I attached the text version of Korean translation. Regards, Jeongkyu On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: I have completed the translation and it is running here http://thewink.in/AOO-IMLD/IMLD-2013.html. I have also attached html file and the font. Both shall be uploaded together for proper rendering of Tamil letters. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 16 February 2013 14:30, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: I have just completed Tamil Translation. I have attached the file for review. In the mean while I will prepare the html file so that it can be put on the web With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 15 February 2013 22:02, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: The following link can be added to the blog http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengali_Language_Movement With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 15 February 2013 21:49, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com wrote: Up-front disclaimer: These comments are not meant to be negative, but do reflect my ignorance of the event. I'm asking the questions because I honestly don't know the answers. No disrespect intended. Thanks. I did some usage editing I also added the Wikipedia links, though I'd encourage translators to identify native language pages for these topics, where they exist. -Rob the way of Bangladeshi people give - the way that Bangladeshi people give or perhaps how Bangladeshi people give or the way of Bangladeshi people to give In every town of Bangladesh has Language Martyr's Monument - Every town of Bangladesh has a Language Martyr's Monument or perhaps In every town of Bangladesh there is a Language Martyr's Monument But just to confirm...does that mean there's a monument in every town, or does every town honor Language Movement Day? There are more than one Language Martyr's Monument in USA, UK, Italy and many other countries. Again, not sure if this refers to an actual monument or celebration of the event. And is the intent to say that US, UK, Italy and many other countries have monuments, or that each of them has more than one? Possible alternative: There are Language Martyr's Monuments in the USA, UK, Italy and many other countries. not only in February 21 but also in other days - not only on February 21 but also on other days As volunteer-run, non-profit organization - As a volunteer-run, non-profit organization Don On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 7:46 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=international_mother_language_day_2013 Thanks to Khan for the background information and Robin for the logo design. 1. Proofreading is always appreciated. 2. Robin, maybe you could make a version of the logo with transparent background rather than white? 3. Since we are commemorating International Mother Language Day, translations of the blog post are most welcome. If you can send me a translation by end of day Tuesday I can add it to the post. Or if you host a translation externally we can link to it. 4. I plan on posting on Wednesday afternoon, New York time, so we cover February 21st across all time zones. Thanks! -Rob -- Jeongkyu Kim OpenOffice.org Korean community lead Community website http://openoffice.or.kr Personal blog http://openoffice.or.kr/gomme 2013년 세계 모국어의 날 Apache OpenOffice 프로젝트는 자랑스러운 마음으로 2월 21일 세계 모국어의 날을 기리고자 합니다. 여기에서는 이 날이 중요한 이유와 함께 OpenOffice가 어떻게 언어적 다양성을 지원하고 있으며 여러분이 도울 수 있는 방법은 무엇인지 말씀드리겠습니다. h32월 21일을 기리는 이유/h3 2월 21일은 UNESCO가 a href=http://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/%EA%B5%AD%EC%A0%9C_%EB%AA%A8%EA%B5%AD%EC%96%B4%EC%9D%98_%EB%82%A0;세계 모국어의 날(International Mother Language Day)/a로 지정한 날입니다. 세계 모국어의 날은 원래 방글라데시 - 예전의 동파키스탄 - 에서 1952년부터 기념하기 시작한 언어 운동의 날(Language Movement Day)에서 유래했는데, 이 날은 a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengali_Language_Movement;벵골 언어 운동/a 기간 동안에 Dhaka 대학의 학생들이 파키스탄 경찰과 군대에 의해 사망한 날입니다. 이는 모국어 사용의 독립을 지키기 위해 목숨을 바친 유일한 사건입니다. 그들을 기억하기 위해 방글라데시 Dhaka 대학에는 a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaheed_Minar,_Dhaka;모국어 순교자 기념비(Shahid Minar)/a가 있습니다. 매년 백만명 이상의 사람들이 여기에 꽃을 바칩니다. 이는 방글라데시에서 큰 행사입니다. 방글라데시를 방문하는 많은 외국인들은 방글라데시 사람들이 그들의 용감한 영혼에 경의를 표하는 것을 경험합니다. 방글라데시의 많은 도시에는 모국어 순교자의 기념비가 있어서 지역 사람들도 꽃을 바칩니다. 모국어 순교자 기념비는 일본 도쿄에 있는 이케부코로 공원에도 건립되었습니다. 미국, 영국, 이태리를 비롯한 많은 나라에도 모국어 순교자 기념비가 있습니다. 2월 21일 뿐만 아니라 늘 여러분의 모국어에 대해 생각해 보시길 바랍니다. h3OpenOffice와 언어적 다양성/h3 오늘날, 모국어에 대한 위기는 정부의 탄압에서만 비롯되는 것이 아닙니다. 우리가 전자적으로 일하고 의사소통함에 따라 우리가 사용하는 소프트웨어에서 모국어를 지원하는 것이 매우 중요합니다. 소프트웨어가 어떤 언어를 지원하지 않으면 해당 언어와 이를 말하는 사람이 불리한 처지에 놓입니다. 이것이 a href=http://openoffice.apache.org/mission.html;Apache OpenOffice 프로젝트의 공적 목표/a가 언어적 다양성의 지원을 강조하는 이유입니다: 세상에는 6,000개 이상의 언어가 있지만 G20 경제 대국과
Re: Problems with import of OOXML custGeom command arcTo in import of .pptx
On 14/02/2013 Regina Henschel wrote: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121769 ... (1) What can we do with regard to license? If your concern is about conventions (choice of constant definitions and attribute names) I, personally and as a non-lawyer, wouldn't see it as problematic: license applies to code while this information is retrieved from an ODP document. (2) Should we (if possible from license) follow the way of LO? If this helps interoperability and the solution is technically good, I would be in favor. If it can technically be improved, it should be discussed together. Out of ignorance, is drawooo in drawooo:enhanced-path=M 3 3 G 3 3 ?f0 ?f1 Z N a common convention or something totally new? Regards, Andrea.
RE: Problems with import of OOXML custGeom command arcTo in import of .pptx
In case it is not clear where conventions arise in conjunction with prefixes on XML qualified names, it is the namespace that is bound to the prefix that establishes the convention. The prefix choice is relatively arbitrary (but one must avoid unintentional collision with a prefix that is already in use). Presumably the qualified attribute name prefix drawooo is bound to a namespace that is not one specified by any of the OASIS Standards for ODF. It is necessary to know what that namespace is and where is the authority that specifies what its local terms (such as enhanced-path) are and what the rules for the attribute value are. Assuming there is such a specification available, the namespace becomes reusable by other parties who want to implement the same feature. Since it is an extension, and ODF 1.2 consumers are allowed to ignore any foreign attribute names and their values, it is also useful to know what the fall-back is in this case. There is supposed to be a valid document remaining after the attribute is ignored. - Dennis PS: Having such an extension in general use is cause to request its incorporation in a future OASIS Standard for ODF. This will change the namespace and there will be need to support migration in that case. The earlier the OASIS namespace becomes known, the more quickly implementations can be designed to accept either, in anticipation that at some future point, the OASIS-specified namespace will become the one that is produced for a particular ODF version. That's all future work though. PPS: Current Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 .odt documents declare bindings to the following foreign namespaces, although they might not actually be used in any given XML content: xmlns:ooo=http://openoffice.org/2004/office; xmlns:ooow=http://openoffice.org/2004/writer; xmlns:oooc=http://openoffice.org/2004/calc; xmlns:rpt=http://openoffice.org/2005/report; xmlns:field=urn:openoffice:names:experimental:ooo-ms-interop:xmlns:field:1.0 The namespace that is bound to field is unusual. It is not one of the ones defined as under the authority of OAIS. (Those all begin urn:oasis:names ... .) -Original Message- From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 09:26 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Problems with import of OOXML custGeom command arcTo in import of .pptx On 14/02/2013 Regina Henschel wrote: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121769 ... (1) What can we do with regard to license? If your concern is about conventions (choice of constant definitions and attribute names) I, personally and as a non-lawyer, wouldn't see it as problematic: license applies to code while this information is retrieved from an ODP document. (2) Should we (if possible from license) follow the way of LO? If this helps interoperability and the solution is technically good, I would be in favor. If it can technically be improved, it should be discussed together. Out of ignorance, is drawooo in drawooo:enhanced-path=M 3 3 G 3 3 ?f0 ?f1 Z N a common convention or something totally new? Regards, Andrea.
Re: Problems with import of OOXML custGeom command arcTo in import of .pptx
Hi, Dennis E. Hamilton schrieb: In case it is not clear where conventions arise in conjunction with prefixes on XML qualified names, it is the namespace that is bound to the prefix that establishes the convention. The prefix choice is relatively arbitrary (but one must avoid unintentional collision with a prefix that is already in use). Presumably the qualified attribute name prefix drawooo is bound to a namespace that is not one specified by any of the OASIS Standards for ODF. It is necessary to know what that namespace is and where is the authority that specifies what its local terms (such as enhanced-path) are and what the rules for the attribute value are. Assuming there is such a specification available, the namespace becomes reusable by other parties who want to implement the same feature. The used namespace is http://openoffice.org/2010/draw AOO has the token XML_N_DRAW_EXT for it, but I don't know where it is used. Since it is an extension, and ODF 1.2 consumers are allowed to ignore any foreign attribute names and their values, it is also useful to know what the fall-back is in this case. There is supposed to be a valid document remaining after the attribute is ignored. I have done some further tests with LibreOffice and it seems that the implementation there is not finished, see https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61028 I have not tried it yet, but I think, that an import of the OOXML element custGeom with attribute arcTo would be possible using the existing draw:enhanced-path element with the command T. Kind regards Regina
Re: I Volunteer
Augustus - Aparanji Fine Arts wrote: I'm a graduate of Photography (BFA) from Jawaharlal Nehru University, Hyderabad, India and got interest in Graphic Designing with great zeal over art and aesthetics. I like to work as volunteer for you. Welcome, Augustus! Your skills make you a perfect candidate for the ongoing logo discussions currently being held on the marketing mailing list. See http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/intro-marketing.html for more information on joining the OpenOffice marketing group and see the wiki to get up to speed with the current logo discussions: for example, https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+-+Logo https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+-+Desktop+Icons https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Branding+Planning https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Apache+OpenOffice+4.0+Brand+Refresh+Project https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+-+Social+Sites Regards, Andrea.
RE: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0
I've been sitting on this in draft since Thursday because the two vetoes from Kay and Rob seemed to have been sufficient and I didn't want to pile onto Pedro. Pedro, it seems to me you are not paying attention. I agree that the veto should have left the patch to be reverted yourself, and the addition of veto as a tag is also very handy now. And here's mine now: -1 on the change from returning 1.0 for Calc OpenFormula function POWER(0,0) to returning an error value (as that term is used specifically for OpenFormula) instead. Furthermore, I am prepared to object to *any* patches to Calc functions at some level that does not explain exactly what the *Calc* impact is. What is correct for a C/C++ library result for pow[r] is not relevant. What matters is what is correct for *Calc*, and backward compatibility is an important technical factor that is applicable to this particular case. This has become tantamount to a Wikipedia edit war. It must stop. This business about turning in untested (in Calc) code and claiming that all issues (whatever they include) are resolved is not working. While that is presumably more-or-less all right on SVN trunk, I suggest that it is incumbent on the contributor to take a developer build and demonstrate that the result is as specified, after claiming what it is that is specified. And if that fails or the modified behavior is disputed, I prefer that the trunk not be left dirty. - Dennis TECHNICAL JUSTIFICATION It is agreed that there are three values any of which may be implementation-defined as the value produced by an implementation and that satisfies the ODF 1.2 OpenFormula specification (an OASIS Standard). AOO Calc produces one of those values and is in accord with ODF 1.2 in that respect. (There are no spreadsheet functions defined in earlier versions of the ODF specification.) The technical objection is around breaking backward compatibility with the body of existing OpenOffice.org, Apache OpenOffice, IBM Lotus Symphony and LibreOffice ODF documents. (They are all *already* incompatible with what Excel does, either in its recent ODF 1.2 support, its original native implementation, or in its support for OOXML.) The veto is appropriate on those grounds. A controversial breaking change is as valid a technical justification as is a performance issue. PS: I assume that there can continue to be a ballot or whatever other consensus directed determination following this, but the change should not be made until it survives such a determination. PPS: I agree with Rob to the extent that this is not about repair of a defect. I understand that some believe otherwise. I agree that it is about handling of an edge case in an interoperable manner. It comes down to interoperable with whom, because either choice is incompatible with someone. PPPS: I continue to prefer that POWER(0,0) be the Calc equivalent of NaN. I don't believe that gives me the right to impose it. As a progression of previous posts from me reveals, I believe that the issue is about defined functional behavior of a computational procedure, it is not about the mathematics of exponentiation beyond the desire to approach the far more significant uncontroversial features of exponentiation sufficient to count as practical success. POWER(0,0) is not critical to that endeavor. -Original Message- From: Pedro Giffuni [mailto:p...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:18 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0 Hello Kay; - Messaggio originale - Da: Kay Schenk I readily admit this is true. I would like my veto to stand and here I will elaborate and hopefully provide my technical justification. In my mind, current mathematical information aside, we have implemented an acceptable solution based on the ODF specification. If, at some point, some universal mathematical body says without doubt that 0^0 should never ever be considered 1, then I am assuming the ODF standards body would change the standard for that function, and we would then change the current calculation. I have seen many references to this issue on the web, some which support the current implementation, some of which do not. In my mind, this needs to go back to OASIS. So for what it's worth, this is my technical justification. We are not a mathematical body, we are implementing code that complies to the ODF standard. Can you please point me to the specific point of the ODF standard where this change has brought us out of compliance? If we have a problem with that standard, we need to discuss it with the standards body, not change existing code because of a personal viewpoint. We have no problems with the standards body. I don't like having to revert my work, of course, but this is not a matter of personal viewpoint. Please,, *please* do understand this issue has little to view with my personal point of view: I didn't create the BZ issue,
Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0
Ugh.. I am really tired of this. I even declare myself agnostic. I have a new way to address this issue and hopefully put an end to it and I will post it RSN, OK? Pedro.
Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar
On 2/17/13 10:36 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 12/02/2013 Jürgen Schmidt wrote: If we support both the underlying code would be more complex, slower and more ugly to maintain. OK. I had understood this part, so let's have a detailed description of the impact before we see how to handle this. The whole discussion is really based on assumption. We can ask our friends of SourceForge to analyze by a script all extensions and check if they contain an Addon.xcu or not. All developers, maintainers of extensions with Addon.xcu can we contact and can inform them about the proposed change and how to adapt the xcu. Good ideas, and we could maybe consider to add an Outdated notice, similar to the wiki pages, to extensions that contain an Addons.xcu. So, to start getting some facts, what should the script do? Unzip the extension and look in the expanded tree for a file named exactly Addons.xcu (not Addon.xcu, right)? The first step should be a simple check if an Addons.xcu is contained at all. Something like unzip -l extension | grep Addons.xcu should be enough. The second step if an Addons.xcu is contained is to check for the node oor:name=OfficeToolBar entry. Only if this entry exists the Addons.xcu the extension has to be updated. I will provide an example showing the change as part of the http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/API/Incompatible_API_changes See also http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/API http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/API/Concepts_API_changes Shall we also ask to check how many extensions provide an OpenOffice.org-maximal-version parameter as listed at http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/Extensions/Description_of_XML_Elements ? make sense but it is not necessary, this is something that the extension developer should decide. It's a recommendation to use it to ensure that an extension works with the next version. It can be seen as part of the QA for a serious extension ;-) In light of Ariel's detailed analysis of the Oracle extensions (thanks!), what does Addons.cxu but *only* with OfficeMenuBarMerging node mean? I assume you meant Addons.xcu, but what does only with OfficeMenuBarMerging node mean? That these extensions will not be affected by this particular change? Or that updating them will be easier? exactly, we have 2 ways to integrate here. One is to create a completely new toolbar with a new name. And the second one is to merge into existing toolbars at a specific position. This can be very useful and is not affected by this change. We will have other elements to consider before assessing the impact on users (for example, the website does not currently filter by OpenOffice version; and some popular extensions, like LanguageTool, are not hosted in the official repository), but it's very good if we can have some real numbers to start. well we can of course blow up this to whatever we want. There is a lot of room for improvements in many areas. We should not mix too many things. An improved extension repo with a hopefully working extension update mechanism. Here extensions that are not supported for 4.0 could be already filtered on the server and there is no demand to transport any info about this extensions to a 4.0 office. An improved extension mechanism where we would have an improved workflow and more features. Browsing extensions directly from the office, a configurable extension repo, dependencies to other extensions, ... Juergen
