Re: [discuss] drop support for Java 5 and Java 6 for Windows

[Oliver-Rainer Wittmann]

Hi,

On 15.11.2013 08:38, janI wrote:

On 15 November 2013 08:25, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann 
wrote:



Hi,


On 15.11.2013 00:54, Kay Schenk wrote:


On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 11:26 PM, janI  wrote:

  On 14 November 2013 03:32, Kay Schenk  wrote:


  On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 5:11 AM, Andrea Pescetti 


wrote:



  On 12/09/2013 Kay Schenk wrote:


  Did we reach a consensus on this one?

Wait until 4.1 to "officially" change java build environment to 7?
Buildbots are still at 6, although I know some of us are using 7 for
building with no problems.



We didn't reach consensus, the reason being (rather than disagreement)
that it's unclear:
- what the proposal is about exactly
- what's broken in the current setup
- what's the impact on people who wish to build OpenOffice
- what's the impact on people who wish to use OpenOffice

Now, after yet another discussion where we explain Java to each other,


we



can take for granted that we all know about it and move on and see what



the


proposal is about in concrete, so that is can be evaluated properly and
maybe implemented in time for 4.1.

Regards,
Andrea.


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  OK, I'm back on this old thread. The thing is the security

considerations
do not just apply to Windows.  I suggest we switch to java 7 as default


and


change the settings for "javacompiler" in configure.in appropriately to
deal with this.

Although by default, I build with java 7, I will make this change
locally
and see what happens.



+1, so we use java 7 for development, but the final installation still
runs
with both java 6 and java 7.

rgds
jan I.



Well, in theory, yes. In practice -- I guess not. :(

I changed my configure.in etc and rebuilt. Then a final stop with this
message --

   javac: source release 1.7 requires target release 1.7

in module jvmfwk


The man page for javac (openJDK 7)has this info talks about "default"
values for targets depending on source...here are the last bits of that

o If -source is 1.5, the value of -target is 1.7

   o If -source is 1.6, the value of -target is 1.7

   o For all other values of -source, the value of -target is the value of
-source.

but no specific information  saying iyou can NOT specify a target value
that is below your source value.

I imagine this is universal and not just specific to openJDK but I don't
know for sure.

Any other ideas?



On my attempt to build on Windows with Java 1.7 (Windows 7 64bit Home
Premium VM) I did the following:
After having setup the build environment via configure, bootstrap and
sourcing the creating 'winenv.set.sh' I set the environment variable
JAVAFLAGS to "-source 1.5 -target 1.5" by command
- export JAVAFLAGS='-source 1.5 -target 1.5'

My build was sucessfull and the resulting installation set worked on a
different Windows machine with Java 1.6



I have done a similar thing on ubuntu 12.04, manually modified
LinuxX86-64Env.Set.sh and it builds correctly.




Unfortunately, I did not continued my work on it - e.g.
- detecting the Java version during configure
- setting JAVAFLAGS automatically depending on the detected Java version



It seems the right place to do this is configure.in. But why detect
version, why not simple set the flags ?



Yes, you are right.
When it works in the build environment with all the different Java 
versions this is the simply solution.



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Re: [discuss] drop support for Java 5 and Java 6 for Windows

[janI]

On 15 November 2013 08:25, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann  wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> On 15.11.2013 00:54, Kay Schenk wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 11:26 PM, janI  wrote:
>>
>>  On 14 November 2013 03:32, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>>>
>>>  On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 5:11 AM, Andrea Pescetti >>>
> wrote:
>

  On 12/09/2013 Kay Schenk wrote:
>
>  Did we reach a consensus on this one?
>> Wait until 4.1 to "officially" change java build environment to 7?
>> Buildbots are still at 6, although I know some of us are using 7 for
>> building with no problems.
>>
>>
> We didn't reach consensus, the reason being (rather than disagreement)
> that it's unclear:
> - what the proposal is about exactly
> - what's broken in the current setup
> - what's the impact on people who wish to build OpenOffice
> - what's the impact on people who wish to use OpenOffice
>
> Now, after yet another discussion where we explain Java to each other,
>
 we
>>>
 can take for granted that we all know about it and move on and see what
>
 the

> proposal is about in concrete, so that is can be evaluated properly and
> maybe implemented in time for 4.1.
>
> Regards,
>Andrea.
>
>
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>
>
>  OK, I'm back on this old thread. The thing is the security
 considerations
 do not just apply to Windows.  I suggest we switch to java 7 as default

>>> and
>>>
 change the settings for "javacompiler" in configure.in appropriately to
 deal with this.

 Although by default, I build with java 7, I will make this change
 locally
 and see what happens.


>>> +1, so we use java 7 for development, but the final installation still
>>> runs
>>> with both java 6 and java 7.
>>>
>>> rgds
>>> jan I.
>>>
>>>
>> Well, in theory, yes. In practice -- I guess not. :(
>>
>> I changed my configure.in etc and rebuilt. Then a final stop with this
>> message --
>>
>>   javac: source release 1.7 requires target release 1.7
>>
>> in module jvmfwk
>>
>>
>> The man page for javac (openJDK 7)has this info talks about "default"
>> values for targets depending on source...here are the last bits of that
>>
>> o If -source is 1.5, the value of -target is 1.7
>>
>>   o If -source is 1.6, the value of -target is 1.7
>>
>>   o For all other values of -source, the value of -target is the value of
>> -source.
>>
>> but no specific information  saying iyou can NOT specify a target value
>> that is below your source value.
>>
>> I imagine this is universal and not just specific to openJDK but I don't
>> know for sure.
>>
>> Any other ideas?
>>
>>
> On my attempt to build on Windows with Java 1.7 (Windows 7 64bit Home
> Premium VM) I did the following:
> After having setup the build environment via configure, bootstrap and
> sourcing the creating 'winenv.set.sh' I set the environment variable
> JAVAFLAGS to "-source 1.5 -target 1.5" by command
> - export JAVAFLAGS='-source 1.5 -target 1.5'
>
> My build was sucessfull and the resulting installation set worked on a
> different Windows machine with Java 1.6
>

I have done a similar thing on ubuntu 12.04, manually modified
LinuxX86-64Env.Set.sh and it builds correctly.


>
> Unfortunately, I did not continued my work on it - e.g.
> - detecting the Java version during configure
> - setting JAVAFLAGS automatically depending on the detected Java version
>

It seems the right place to do this is configure.in. But why detect
version, why not simple set the flags ?

rgds
jan I.

>
>
> Best regards, Oliver.
>
>
>
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Re: [discuss] drop support for Java 5 and Java 6 for Windows

[Oliver-Rainer Wittmann]

Hi,

On 15.11.2013 00:54, Kay Schenk wrote:

On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 11:26 PM, janI  wrote:


On 14 November 2013 03:32, Kay Schenk  wrote:


On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 5:11 AM, Andrea Pescetti 
wrote:



On 12/09/2013 Kay Schenk wrote:


Did we reach a consensus on this one?
Wait until 4.1 to "officially" change java build environment to 7?
Buildbots are still at 6, although I know some of us are using 7 for
building with no problems.



We didn't reach consensus, the reason being (rather than disagreement)
that it's unclear:
- what the proposal is about exactly
- what's broken in the current setup
- what's the impact on people who wish to build OpenOffice
- what's the impact on people who wish to use OpenOffice

Now, after yet another discussion where we explain Java to each other,

we

can take for granted that we all know about it and move on and see what

the

proposal is about in concrete, so that is can be evaluated properly and
maybe implemented in time for 4.1.

Regards,
   Andrea.


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OK, I'm back on this old thread. The thing is the security considerations
do not just apply to Windows.  I suggest we switch to java 7 as default

and

change the settings for "javacompiler" in configure.in appropriately to
deal with this.

Although by default, I build with java 7, I will make this change locally
and see what happens.



+1, so we use java 7 for development, but the final installation still runs
with both java 6 and java 7.

rgds
jan I.



Well, in theory, yes. In practice -- I guess not. :(

I changed my configure.in etc and rebuilt. Then a final stop with this
message --

  javac: source release 1.7 requires target release 1.7

in module jvmfwk


The man page for javac (openJDK 7)has this info talks about "default"
values for targets depending on source...here are the last bits of that

o If -source is 1.5, the value of -target is 1.7

  o If -source is 1.6, the value of -target is 1.7

  o For all other values of -source, the value of -target is the value of
-source.

but no specific information  saying iyou can NOT specify a target value
that is below your source value.

I imagine this is universal and not just specific to openJDK but I don't
know for sure.

Any other ideas?



On my attempt to build on Windows with Java 1.7 (Windows 7 64bit Home 
Premium VM) I did the following:
After having setup the build environment via configure, bootstrap and 
sourcing the creating 'winenv.set.sh' I set the environment variable 
JAVAFLAGS to "-source 1.5 -target 1.5" by command

- export JAVAFLAGS='-source 1.5 -target 1.5'

My build was sucessfull and the resulting installation set worked on a 
different Windows machine with Java 1.6


Unfortunately, I did not continued my work on it - e.g.
- detecting the Java version during configure
- setting JAVAFLAGS automatically depending on the detected Java version


Best regards, Oliver.


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Request a actual Build for Mac OS

[Raphael Bircher]

Hi all

I'm not able to build with Mac OS X 10.5 anymore. We have rised the 
Pyton requestment for OpenOffic and it's not easy to upgrade the python 
on this machine. The other build machin is not seted up to build against 
10.4. But I want to have a actual build from truck for automated tests. 
Can someone offer such builds to me.


The Windows and Linux builds I can take from the buildbot.

Greetings Raphael

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Re: [discuss] drop support for Java 5 and Java 6 for Windows

[Kay Schenk]

On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 11:26 PM, janI  wrote:

> On 14 November 2013 03:32, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 5:11 AM, Andrea Pescetti  > >wrote:
> >
> > > On 12/09/2013 Kay Schenk wrote:
> > >
> > >> Did we reach a consensus on this one?
> > >> Wait until 4.1 to "officially" change java build environment to 7?
> > >> Buildbots are still at 6, although I know some of us are using 7 for
> > >> building with no problems.
> > >>
> > >
> > > We didn't reach consensus, the reason being (rather than disagreement)
> > > that it's unclear:
> > > - what the proposal is about exactly
> > > - what's broken in the current setup
> > > - what's the impact on people who wish to build OpenOffice
> > > - what's the impact on people who wish to use OpenOffice
> > >
> > > Now, after yet another discussion where we explain Java to each other,
> we
> > > can take for granted that we all know about it and move on and see what
> > the
> > > proposal is about in concrete, so that is can be evaluated properly and
> > > maybe implemented in time for 4.1.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >   Andrea.
> > >
> > >
> > > -
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org
> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
> > >
> > >
> > OK, I'm back on this old thread. The thing is the security considerations
> > do not just apply to Windows.  I suggest we switch to java 7 as default
> and
> > change the settings for "javacompiler" in configure.in appropriately to
> > deal with this.
> >
> > Although by default, I build with java 7, I will make this change locally
> > and see what happens.
> >
>
> +1, so we use java 7 for development, but the final installation still runs
> with both java 6 and java 7.
>
> rgds
> jan I.
>

Well, in theory, yes. In practice -- I guess not. :(

I changed my configure.in etc and rebuilt. Then a final stop with this
message --

 javac: source release 1.7 requires target release 1.7

in module jvmfwk


The man page for javac (openJDK 7)has this info talks about "default"
values for targets depending on source...here are the last bits of that

o If -source is 1.5, the value of -target is 1.7

 o If -source is 1.6, the value of -target is 1.7

 o For all other values of -source, the value of -target is the value of
-source.

but no specific information  saying iyou can NOT specify a target value
that is below your source value.

I imagine this is universal and not just specific to openJDK but I don't
know for sure.

Any other ideas?



>
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> -
> > MzK
> >
> > “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot,
> >  Nothing is going to get better. It's not.”
> >   -- Dr. Seuss, The Lorax
> >
>



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Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website

[Raphael Bircher]

Hi Everard

Am 14.11.13 23:21, schrieb Everard Walton:
I havw downloaded OpenOffice but cannot open the application. 
Apache_OpenOffice_4.0.1_MacOS_x86_install_en-US.dmg.   Mac 10.9 
Mavericks will not permit this software to open saying that it is from 
an unidentified developer.
This is the known GateKeeper Problem, The solution you can find in the 
Release not or in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTZw5o2EC0M


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Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website

[Everard Walton]

I havw downloaded OpenOffice but cannot open the application. 
Apache_OpenOffice_4.0.1_MacOS_x86_install_en-US.dmg.   Mac 10.9 
Mavericks will not permit this software to open saying that it is from 
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Re: draft blog post: Apache OpenOffice 4.1 to Bring Enhanced Accessibility Support

[Marcus (OOo)]

Am 11/14/2013 03:30 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:

On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:08 PM, janI  wrote:

On 13 November 2013 20:28, Rob Weir  wrote:


This will be something to post after Steve merges the code intro the
trunk, which I understand will be soon:

https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_4_1_to

Does anyone have anything else to add?  A quote from an assistive
technology vendor or accessibility expert would be good.



Having learned from the experience with the sidebar, I think it would be
correct to add that we (of course) make these new features available to
other office packages. I for one still get a bit upset, thinking how the
sidebar was announced in other packages, before we released it.



I've updated the draft here:

https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_4_1_to


Thanks, great text.

Marcus


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Re: Apache OpenOffice - programosy

[Marcus (OOo)]

Am 11/14/2013 04:12 AM, schrieb Rob Weir:

On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Peter Junge  wrote:

At the download page (www.programosy.pl/program,openoffice-org.html), I
find:
++ Producent: CollabNet, Inc
++ Licencja: Freeware (darmowa)

I think that needs to be fixed.



I'm not sure this is really an award like the other ones we feature.
I don't see a real review or publication.  It looks more like a
catalog of software with descriptions and ratings.  There are
thousands of sites like this on the web.  I think it dilutes the value
of real awards if we treat this as equivalent.


I also don't see a thing that looks like an award. Just a possibility to 
rate 1-5 stars for the software. The case that we got 5 stars is great 
but doesn't change the whole topic.



Also, in general we don't want to get involved in link exchanges.


Right.

Marcus




On 11/13/2013 11:56 PM, Partnership Programosy wrote:


Hello,

Apache OpenOffice is on our site in first place in its category:
http://www.programosy.pl/kategoria,pakiety-biurowe,1,1.html

To this day, it was downloaded 55,348 times.

Can we ask you to add our link:
http://www.programosy.pl/program,openoffice-org.html
in this place:
http://www.openoffice.org/awards/

This program has been awarded five stars by our editors.
We would be honored if on your website will be placed one of our logo:
http://programosy.pl/img/stars.png or
http://programosy.pl/images/b_programosypl.png or
http://www.programosy.pl/favicon.ico or link.

Programosy.pl has ~40 000 unique users visits a day.

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Re: Updated migration guide?

[Graham Lauder]

On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:35 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Graham Lauder  wrote:
> .
> .
> .
> >
> > I've made a start on the Main, Introduction and sharing files pages.  I'd
> > forgotten how unsatisfactory it was, it was a bit of a rushed job after
> all.
> > I'm beginning to think that considering the amount of work that is going
> to
> > be required to bring it up to scratch that it may be more sensible just
> go
> > full on with the new guide.
> >  It would also give us the advantage of it being under the Apache
> License.
> >
>
>
> I'm not opposed to starting a new document.  But I'm unlikely to pull
> out of my head a comprehensive set of functional differences between
> MS Office and AOO and hints for users.  That seems to be the focus of
> that wiki page.  In fact I'd even argue that the document is misnamed.
>  I'd call it "A Guide to Apache OpenOffice for Former Microsoft Office
> Users" or "And End User's guide to Moving from Microsoft Office to
> Apache OpenOffice" something like that.
>

+1, and in that light it makes it probably more useful to that User set.
 Certainly more so than a document that can be used to ease migration



>
> Where I could offer more new content would be on the higher level
> migration issues, organizational strategies/approaches for migrating.
>

Excellent, especially for Large Enterprises.  I've been involved with
migration in Corporate environments but usually only at the implementation
stage and only once at the planning stage and even then it was limited to
driving the senior management team to see the benefits and to get them
behind it.
That particular migration is why I'm so keen to get a decent Migration
Guide.  The move to OOo was successful for over a year and a new head of
ISS came in and bought MSO licenses across the org.  That was not such a
big deal,  the big deal to me is that there was hardly a wimper of
objection from Dept heads.
 My gut feeling is that initially the whole thing was done as means of
reducing licensing penalty exposure.  They had bought a large Govt
Department and had no idea what their IT hardware and software inventory
was.  (I was told not to tell anyone about the migration because they were
very concerned about a BSA audit that could have run into many hundreds of
thousands of dollars in non-compliance penalties). One of the reasons I
hate the idea of us claiming "Cost Free".
They went back to MSO easily because the exit from OOo was seen as "Cost
Free".  What REALLY peed me off, was that MS got to crow about the shift
back and I had been sworn to secrecy!   So any Corporate Migration Guide
has to honestly assist in cost evaluation of exit strategies in both
directions.  I can estimate but really it's way outside my experience.




Cheers
GL



>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
> > Cheers
> > GL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> > Cheers
> >> > GL
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> > Regards
> >> >> > Keith
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> 
> >> >> >> Regards Keith
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I don't think it would be extremely difficult to update the
> >> >> >> guide. The tasks would be mainly:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 1) Update branding, logos, references to websites,
> >> >> >> ownership, license, etc., of OpenOffice.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 2) Update screenshots to current UI of AOO
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 3) Update any technical content that has changed, e.g.,
> >> >> >> platforms supported, file filters, etc.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 4) Write content for new migration-relevant features in
> >> >> >> AOO.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 5) General technical and editorial review of the content.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Any other ideas?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> -Rob
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> 
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Re: draft blog post: Apache OpenOffice 4.1 to Bring Enhanced Accessibility Support

[Kay Schenk]

On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 6:30 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:08 PM, janI  wrote:
> > On 13 November 2013 20:28, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >
> >> This will be something to post after Steve merges the code intro the
> >> trunk, which I understand will be soon:
> >>
> >>
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_4_1_to
> >>
> >> Does anyone have anything else to add?  A quote from an assistive
> >> technology vendor or accessibility expert would be good.
> >>
> >
> > Having learned from the experience with the sidebar, I think it would be
> > correct to add that we (of course) make these new features available to
> > other office packages. I for one still get a bit upset, thinking how the
> > sidebar was announced in other packages, before we released it.
> >
>
> I've updated the draft here:
>
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_4_1_to
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>

looks good -- very much to the point


>
>
> > but that just my way of thinking.
> >
> > rgds
> > jan I.
> >
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
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Re: [OS2] gcc 4.7.3, CPPULIB now required for some modules

[Yuri Dario]

Hi Herbert,


> Graphicfilter [1] has quite more that one source file. Some of its 
> subdirectories already use CPPULIB directly. If there is a new 
> subdirectory where its needed nowadays I suggest to just add the CPPULIB 

I counted 14 graphicfilter dlls requiring it. I will add CPPULIB to 
SHL1STDLIBS only for OS2 builds.

thanks,

-- 
Bye,

Yuri Dario

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Re: Docs are opening in Read-Only!

[Lars Eilebrecht]

Please remove the security@openoffice address from any responses to this
email! 

The Apache Open Office security list is ONLY for reporting potential
security vulnerabilities in Open Office.  Please send questions like this to
the user mailing list only!


Best regards
-- 
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Debajit Banerjee wrote:
> Dear Ma'm/Sir,
> 
> All my Open-Office saved spreadsheet (I've not checked other kinds of docs)
> docs are opening in 'Read-Only' mode today, though new docs can be created
> in normal Read-Write mode. My version of OO is 4.0.1.
> 
> Please help me to fix this issue.
> 
> Thanks & regards
> - Debajit (Dave)


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Re: Product Open Office writter

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Carret Chris  wrote:
>
> Your product is just a fucking bullshit !!
>
> I spent hours preparing a project for our company. I saved and I closed 
> Writter. Few minutes after, I opened it again and everything was completely 
> different !! Many elements disappeared and the others completely 
> moved !
>

I'm sorry you are having problems.  The symptoms you report are not
typical.  Most users have no problems with using OpenOffice.
Unfortunately we cannot offer further advice without more detail from
you, including:

1) What version of OpenOffice are you running?

2) What operating system (and what version) are you running?

3) Was the document loaded the 2nd time on the same machine or a
different machine?  (Whether or not a particular font is installed can
make a difference)

4) What exactly changed in the document?

5) Does this happen with every document or just this one?

> We will never work with this shit again and be sure that we will inform our 
> teams about this so bad product !!

I should remind you that you are posting to a publicly visible and
archived mailing list, visible to all, including potential future
employers.  If you are at all concerned about your non-civil behavior
being visible for all time you might try to moderate your language in
the future.

Regards,

-Rob

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Docs are opening in Read-Only!

[Debajit Banerjee]

Dear Ma'm/Sir,

All my Open-Office saved spreadsheet (I've not checked other kinds of docs)
docs are opening in 'Read-Only' mode today, though new docs can be created
in normal Read-Write mode. My version of OO is 4.0.1.

Please help me to fix this issue.

Thanks & regards
- Debajit (Dave)

Re: Product Open Office writter

[Misha Konoplitskiy]

What extension does it has?

четверг, 14 ноября 2013 г. пользователь Carret Chris писал:

>
> Your product is just a fucking bullshit !!
>
> I spent hours preparing a project for our company. I saved and I closed
> Writter. Few minutes after, I opened it again and everything was completely
> different !! Many elements disappeared and the others
> completely moved !
>
> We will never work with this shit again and be sure that we will inform
> our teams about this so bad product !!
>

Product Open Office writter

[Carret Chris]

Your product is just a fucking bullshit !!

I spent hours preparing a project for our company. I saved and I closed 
Writter. Few minutes after, I opened it again and everything was completely 
different !! Many elements disappeared and the others completely 
moved !

We will never work with this shit again and be sure that we will inform our 
teams about this so bad product !!

Re: Updated migration guide?

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Graham Lauder  wrote:
.
.
.
>
> I've made a start on the Main, Introduction and sharing files pages.  I'd
> forgotten how unsatisfactory it was, it was a bit of a rushed job after all.
> I'm beginning to think that considering the amount of work that is going to
> be required to bring it up to scratch that it may be more sensible just go
> full on with the new guide.
>  It would also give us the advantage of it being under the Apache License.
>


I'm not opposed to starting a new document.  But I'm unlikely to pull
out of my head a comprehensive set of functional differences between
MS Office and AOO and hints for users.  That seems to be the focus of
that wiki page.  In fact I'd even argue that the document is misnamed.
 I'd call it "A Guide to Apache OpenOffice for Former Microsoft Office
Users" or "And End User's guide to Moving from Microsoft Office to
Apache OpenOffice" something like that.

Where I could offer more new content would be on the higher level
migration issues, organizational strategies/approaches for migrating.

Regards,

-Rob

> Cheers
> GL
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> > Cheers
>> > GL
>> >
>> >
>> >> > Regards
>> >> > Keith
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> 
>> >> >> Regards Keith
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I don't think it would be extremely difficult to update the
>> >> >> guide. The tasks would be mainly:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 1) Update branding, logos, references to websites,
>> >> >> ownership, license, etc., of OpenOffice.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 2) Update screenshots to current UI of AOO
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 3) Update any technical content that has changed, e.g.,
>> >> >> platforms supported, file filters, etc.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 4) Write content for new migration-relevant features in
>> >> >> AOO.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 5) General technical and editorial review of the content.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Any other ideas?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -Rob
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> 
>> >> 
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Re: draft blog post: Apache OpenOffice 4.1 to Bring Enhanced Accessibility Support

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:08 PM, janI  wrote:
> On 13 November 2013 20:28, Rob Weir  wrote:
>
>> This will be something to post after Steve merges the code intro the
>> trunk, which I understand will be soon:
>>
>> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_4_1_to
>>
>> Does anyone have anything else to add?  A quote from an assistive
>> technology vendor or accessibility expert would be good.
>>
>
> Having learned from the experience with the sidebar, I think it would be
> correct to add that we (of course) make these new features available to
> other office packages. I for one still get a bit upset, thinking how the
> sidebar was announced in other packages, before we released it.
>

I've updated the draft here:

https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_4_1_to

Regards,

-Rob


> but that just my way of thinking.
>
> rgds
> jan I.
>
>>
>> -Rob
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Creating Windows patches (update Nov. 14)

[Andre Fischer]

I am currently committing several cleanup changes as preparation for 
building patches on Windows.  Most of these remove unused features and 
you should not experience any difference when building OpenOffice.


One that is technically still usable is the ability to build 
installation sets for several languages in one run of 
make_installer.pl.  Note that this is different from building 
multilingual installation sets, where the resulting office supports more 
than one language.  Multilingual builds still work. Building for 
multiple languages could only be triggered by either calling 
make_installer.pl directly or by using the --with-packager-list=pack.lst 
with configure and in pack.lst having a list of languages concatenated 
with #.  If you don't know what the --with-packager-list option is (and 
are not insane enough to call make_installer.pl on the command line) 
then you can ignore this mail.  Otherwise you just have to replace # 
with | in your pack.lst.


I have removed the ability to build more than one language in one run of 
make_installer.pl because it is

a) hardly ever used (I hope)
b) there is an easy work around (replace # with |)
c) it makes make_installer.pl more complex than necessary. Logging, for 
example, can be simplified considerably


-Andre

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Re: [OS2] gcc 4.7.3, CPPULIB now required for some modules

[Herbert Duerr]

Hi Yuri,

On 13.11.2013 11:04, Yuri Dario wrote:

But maybe there really are new uses of cssu::Any in the modules you
mentioned. Do the error messages say which object files need these
methods that were missing without the CPPULIB dependency?


yes, I see the module name. e.g. for graphicfilter it is the only .cxx
file present in the directory. Preprocessor shows that functions are
referenced because any2.h is included.


Graphicfilter [1] has quite more that one source file. Some of its 
subdirectories already use CPPULIB directly. If there is a new 
subdirectory where its needed nowadays I suggest to just add the CPPULIB 
line to the makefile. I don't think there is any more reason to worry.


[1] 
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk/main/filter/source/graphicfilter/


Herbert

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Re: Updated migration guide?

[Graham Lauder]

On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 2:49 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Graham Lauder  wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Keith N. McKenna
> >>  wrote:
> >> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> >> > Hash: SHA1
> >> >
> >> > Graham Lauder wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Rob Weir 
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Keith N. McKenna
> >> >>>  wrote:
> >> >> Rob Weir wrote:
> >> >> I'm thinking of starting to create an updated migration
> >> >> guide for AOO. If you have any thoughts on this, or want to
> >> >> help, let me know.
> >> >>
> >> >> Target audience includes:
> >> >>
> >> >> 1) Individual Microsoft Office users, where such users
> >> >> provide their own technical support.
> >> >>
> >> >> 2) IT departments who support users migrating from MS
> >> >> Office to OpenOffice
> >> >>
> >> >> 3) Groups considering moving to AOO and wanting some
> >> >> guidance on migration strategy
> >> >>
> >> >> Rather than starting from scratch, I looked around to see
> >> >> if there is anything close that could be updated.   I saw
> >> >> that we have a few older versions of this kind of
> >> >> document:
> >> >>
> >> >> 1) "Migration Guide: A guide to ease your migration to
> >> >> OpenOffice.org from other office suites" (2004)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> 
> >>
> http://www.openoffice.org/documentation/manuals/oooauthors/MigrationGuide.pdf
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> 
> >> > 2) OpenOffice.org 2.0 Migration Guide (2006)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> 
> >>
> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Migration_Guide
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> 
> >> > 3) OpenOffice.org Migration Guide (2006)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> https://wiki.openoffice.org/w/images/7/79/0600MG-MigrationGuide.pdf
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> > Does anyone know of anything more recent than the 2006 version?
> >> >> Does anyone know where the source for the 2006 PDF is?  Or
> >> >> was it generated from the wiki?
> >> >>
> >> >> I believe that all the documentation for Version 2 was done on the
> >> >> wiki and was then made into PDF's using an add-on.
> >> >>
> >> 
> >>  OK.  If I wanted to start a new revision of the guide, without
> >>  wiping out or replacing the old version, is there any way to do
> >>  this?   For example, is it possible to make a copy of this page
> >>  and the subpages?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>
> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Migration_Guide
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> > I don't see how to do this.  Perhaps it requires admin rights?
> >> 
> >>  -Rob
> >> 
> >> >>
> >> >>> Ack Sorry,  GMail defaults can be a pain... as I was trying to
> >> >>> say
> >> >>
> >> >>> It shouldn't be too difficult,  I think that you can do this
> >> >>> using the move tab, you can rename that and the subpages as well
> >> >>> although that's not a copy per se.
> >> >>
> >> >>> I'll see what I can do, just may have to revert,  if it all turns
> >> >>> to custard tarts
> >> >>
> >> >>> Cheers GL
> >> >>
> >> > Graham;
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> > Using the Move command will rename the pages to the new namespace and
> >> > set a redirect on the original to the new pages.
> >> >
> >> > One word of caution. Those pages are covered by the CCBY license. The
> >> > only way I now to redo those pages under an alv2 license would be to
> >> > start over from scratch and not use the prior pages at all. For me it
> >> > makes much more sense to just update the pages with current
> >> > information and keep the license as is. However I bring it up as some
> >> > people have rather strong opinions about using other than the alv2
> >> > license.
> >> >
> >>
> >> I don't see a problem building on the existing content, under the
> >> stated license.  We're not including these guides in a release.  The
> >> reason for a copy was to preserve the existing material for users
> >> while a new version is being prepared.  It could take a few weeks to
> >> do the update and it could be messy day-to-day.
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > OK I've set up a new structure, not sure what the 502 error is, but edits
> > seem to be taking in any case, even though the 502 still keeps popping
> up.
> >
> > The old version has been moved to
> >
> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Migration_Guide_2006
> >
> >
> > And I've shifted an editable version to
> > https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/UserGuide/Migration_Guide
> <
> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/UserGuide/Migration_Guide/Calc_and_Excel
> >
> >
> > I've put a link to the old Guide on the bottom of the front page
> >
> > I noted that there is no link to the Migration guide on the Documentation
> > f

Re : Re: Re : RE: Re: [Accessibility] IA2 Integration proposal

[mengualjeanphi]

Hi

So I deduce from this message and the other thread that from now, the ia2 
branch is deprecated, right?
For trunk builds, what should I choose? Is it good if I choose for example 
Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.0_Win_x86_install_fr.exe_1537977.exe ? I mean is it good 
if I take the localized package? I guess the next build will be something as 
Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.0_Win_x86_install_fr.exe_1537978.exe ? An idea when it 
will be public? Otherwise can you tell me the package I have to choose when it 
is ready?


regards,

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De: Steve Yin 
À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Envoyé: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 11:29:03 +0100 (CET)
Objet: Re: Re : RE: Re: [Accessibility] IA2 Integration proposal

Hi Jean,

Maybe due to this issue.
I made a temp fix for the branch and integrated with the branch into the
trunk. You can try the next trunk build. Thanks.


On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 6:20 PM,  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> My user is in the group named "administrator". It likely explains why I
> don't have a "run as admin" command in the context menu.
>
> The command you suggest works. But after a reboot, nothing changes. OOO
> stays inaccessible for NVDA. I don't understand, all the more since it has
> been worked a few months ago.
>
> An idea?
>
>  Message original 
>
> Sujet:
>
> Re: [Accessibility] IA2 Integration proposal
>
> Date :
>
> Thu, 14 Nov 2013 13:25:25 +0800
>
> De :
>
> Steve Yin  
>
> Répondre à :
>
> dev@openoffice.apache.org
>
> Pour :
>
> dev@openoffice.apache.org
>
>
>
> Hi Jean,
>
> You can run the console with administrator privilege and type "regsvr32
> oleacc.dll" then press "Enter" key.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 6:26 PM, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe <
> mengualjean...@free.fr> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I use Windows XP Pro, and now I am working on r1540658.
> >
> > regsvr2.exe /U UAccCOM.dl says: module not found.
> >
> > How should I register
> >
> >
> > oleacc.dll and oleaut32.dll? Is it relevant on XP (the bug you mention
> > seems to be on W7).
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Le 11/11/2013 14:43, V Stuart Foote a écrit :
> >
> >> Jean-Phillipe,
> >>
> >> Removal of earlier revisions of the ia2 branch may have corrupted the
> MSAA
> >> libraries.
> >>
> >> Have you unregistered UAccCOM.dll with a regsvr2.exe /U command, and
>  have
> >>
> >> you tried re-registering the oleacc.dll and oleaut32.dll?
> >>
> >> Additional notes in issue  aoo#123640
> >> <
> >>
> >
> >  https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123640>  .
> >>
> >> Stuart
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.
> >>
> nabble.com/Accessibility-IA2-Integration-proposal-tp4655454p460.html
> >> Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >>
> >> -
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> >
> > Jean-Philippe MENGUAL
> >
> > accelibreinfo, votre partenaire en informatique adaptée aux déficients
> > visuels
> >
> > Mail: te...@accelibreinfo.eu
> >
> > Site Web: http://www.accelibreinfo.eu
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> Steve Yin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Re : RE: Re: [Accessibility] IA2 Integration proposal

[Steve Yin]

Hi Jean,

Maybe due to this issue.
I made a temp fix for the branch and integrated with the branch into the
trunk. You can try the next trunk build. Thanks.


On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 6:20 PM,  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> My user is in the group named "administrator". It likely explains why I
> don't have a "run as admin" command in the context menu.
>
> The command you suggest works. But after a reboot, nothing changes. OOO
> stays inaccessible for NVDA. I don't understand, all the more since it has
> been worked a few months ago.
>
> An idea?
>
>  Message original 
>
> Sujet:
>
> Re: [Accessibility] IA2 Integration proposal
>
> Date :
>
> Thu, 14 Nov 2013 13:25:25 +0800
>
> De :
>
> Steve Yin  
>
> Répondre à :
>
> dev@openoffice.apache.org
>
> Pour :
>
> dev@openoffice.apache.org
>
>
>
> Hi Jean,
>
> You can run the console with administrator privilege and type "regsvr32
> oleacc.dll" then press "Enter" key.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 6:26 PM, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe <
> mengualjean...@free.fr> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I use Windows XP Pro, and now I am working on r1540658.
> >
> > regsvr2.exe /U UAccCOM.dl says: module not found.
> >
> > How should I register
> >
> >
> > oleacc.dll and oleaut32.dll? Is it relevant on XP (the bug you mention
> > seems to be on W7).
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Le 11/11/2013 14:43, V Stuart Foote a écrit :
> >
> >> Jean-Phillipe,
> >>
> >> Removal of earlier revisions of the ia2 branch may have corrupted the
> MSAA
> >> libraries.
> >>
> >> Have you unregistered UAccCOM.dll with a regsvr2.exe /U command, and
>  have
> >>
> >> you tried re-registering the oleacc.dll and oleaut32.dll?
> >>
> >> Additional notes in issue  aoo#123640
> >> <
> >>
> >
> >  https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123640>  .
> >>
> >> Stuart
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.
> >>
> nabble.com/Accessibility-IA2-Integration-proposal-tp4655454p460.html
> >> Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> >
> > Jean-Philippe MENGUAL
> >
> > accelibreinfo, votre partenaire en informatique adaptée aux déficients
> > visuels
> >
> > Mail: te...@accelibreinfo.eu
> >
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> >
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> >
> >
>
>
> --
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>
> Steve Yin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re : RE: Re: [Accessibility] IA2 Integration proposal

[mengualjeanphi]

Hi,

My user is in the group named "administrator". It likely explains why I don't 
have a "run as admin" command in the context menu.

The command you suggest works. But after a reboot, nothing changes. OOO stays 
inaccessible for NVDA. I don't understand, all the more since it has been 
worked a few months ago.

An idea?

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Re: [Accessibility] IA2 Integration proposal

Date : 

Thu, 14 Nov 2013 13:25:25 +0800

De : 

Steve Yin   

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Hi Jean,
 
You can run the console with administrator privilege and type "regsvr32
oleacc.dll" then press "Enter" key.
 
 
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 6:26 PM, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe <
mengualjean...@free.fr> wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> I use Windows XP Pro, and now I am working on r1540658.
> 
> regsvr2.exe /U UAccCOM.dl says: module not found.
> 
> How should I register
> 
> 
> oleacc.dll and oleaut32.dll? Is it relevant on XP (the bug you mention
> seems to be on W7).
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> 
> Le 11/11/2013 14:43, V Stuart Foote a écrit :
> 
>> Jean-Phillipe,
>> 
>> Removal of earlier revisions of the ia2 branch may have corrupted the MSAA
>> libraries.
>> 
>> Have you unregistered UAccCOM.dll with a regsvr2.exe /U command, and  have
>> 
>> you tried re-registering the oleacc.dll and oleaut32.dll?
>> 
>> Additional notes in issue  aoo#123640
>> <
>> 
> 
>  https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123640>  .
>> 
>> Stuart
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Accessibility] IA2 should be enabled automatically

[Steve Yin]

Agree with you. For AT detection, we use WM_GETOBJECT and
SPI_GETSCREENREADER flag. The check box is usefulness now and can be
removed from AOO Windows version.


On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Andre Fischer  wrote:

> On 14.11.2013 04:34, Steve Yin wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Based on this issue > >,
>>
>> IA2 feature and the status of the option about accessibility check box
>> should be enabled automatically when AOO detects screen reader running. Do
>> you agree with that? Thanks.
>>
>
> I don't think that we should change the check box.  If we can detect
> accessibility support easily (without loading large libraries or starting
> Java) then I would prefer the Linux way (did not check Mac).  On Linux
> there is no accessibility check box.  You activate or deactivate
> accessibility via the system.  If we can do that on Windows then we should
> do it and remove the checkbox.
>
> I looked at issue 123643.  The comments describe more than one way to
> detect accessibility support.  Which one is used by the commit (rev.
> 1541823).
>
> -Andre
>
>
>
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Reg: Problem with Configuring

[Dhananjayan Santhanakrishnan]

Hai,
I am done with the installations. In configurations step, completed the 
autoconf in main. After that when I give configure, the commmand not found 
error is popping. How to proceed? 

Regards,
Dhananjayan. 

Re: [Accessibility] IA2 should be enabled automatically

[Andre Fischer]

On 14.11.2013 04:34, Steve Yin wrote:

Hi all,

Based on this issue ,
IA2 feature and the status of the option about accessibility check box
should be enabled automatically when AOO detects screen reader running. Do
you agree with that? Thanks.


I don't think that we should change the check box.  If we can detect 
accessibility support easily (without loading large libraries or 
starting Java) then I would prefer the Linux way (did not check Mac).  
On Linux there is no accessibility check box.  You activate or 
deactivate accessibility via the system.  If we can do that on Windows 
then we should do it and remove the checkbox.


I looked at issue 123643.  The comments describe more than one way to 
detect accessibility support.  Which one is used by the commit (rev. 
1541823).


-Andre






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Re: [Accessibility] IA2 should be enabled automatically

[Steve Yin]

Hi Juergen,

Yes. This option will be automatically checked only when AOO (Windows
version) detects screen reader or other ATs running.


On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:

> On 11/14/13 7:16 AM, Liu Ping wrote:
> > +1
> > I agree that IA2 feature can be enabled automatically as default option
> > ,which enable screen readers and other
> > assistive technologies to work at beginning and convenient to most
> > people who be eager to need this feature
> >
>
> we should really differentiate, if AOO can detect a running screen
> reader or other assistive tools we can and should enable it. But only
> then and not by default.
>
> Juergen
>
>
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Steve Yin 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Based on this issue <
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123643
> >>> ,
> >> IA2 feature and the status of the option about accessibility check box
> >> should be enabled automatically when AOO detects screen reader running.
> Do
> >> you agree with that? Thanks.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Best Regards,
> >>
> >> Steve Yin
> >>
> >
>
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Re: draft blog post: Apache OpenOffice 4.1 to Bring Enhanced Accessibility Support

[Steve Yin]

That reads better. : )


On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Marcus (OOo) 
> wrote:
> > Am 11/13/2013 09:12 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
> >
> >> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Donald Whytock
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >>>
>  This will be something to post after Steve merges the code intro the
>  trunk, which I understand will be soon:
> 
> 
> 
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_4_1_to
> 
>  Does anyone have anything else to add?  A quote from an assistive
>  technology vendor or accessibility expert would be good.
> 
> 
> >>>   Looks good in general.  How does "vision-impaired" compare to "blind
> or
> >>> low-sight"?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Honestly, I'm not absolutely certain what the preferred term is these
> >> days.  I certainly don't want to cause offense by using the wrong
> >> words.  But I did see the term "blind or low-sight" on a website
> >> discussing assistive technologies.  If anyone (Stuart, maybe?) knows
> >> better, let me know.
> >
> >
> > I had a remarkable experience when I wrote something about sound in
> > StarOffice (yes, years ago) and how deaf people could work with it. The
> way
> > of how to explain it was wrong with the wording I used, I had to correct
> it
> > in in a policitcal correct way and give an apology to the group who
> wrote a
> > mail to point me to the error.
> >
> > Therefore I would say it's better to spend more time than you think
> first to
> > use the correct wordings.
> >
>
> I searched for answers and found this, from the American Foundation
> for the Blind:
>
> When you speak about someone with a disability, refer to the person
> and then to the disability. For example, refer to "a person who is
> blind" rather than to "a blind person."
>
> http://www.afb.org/section.aspx?SectionID=36&TopicID=163&DocumentID=2263
>
> Given those guidelines maybe we change the current:
>
> "Support for these interfaces enables screen readers and other
> assistive technologies to work with Apache OpenOffice, which in turn
> enables more productive use of OpenOffice by blind and low-vision
> users."
>
> to
>
> "Support for these interfaces enables screen readers and other
> assistive technologies to work with Apache OpenOffice, which in turn
> enables more productive use of OpenOffice users who are blind or have
> low-vision." ???
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
> > I'm sure Steve can lend a helping hand here.
> >
> > Marcus
> >
> >
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Re: [Accessibility] IA2 should be enabled automatically

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 11/14/13 7:16 AM, Liu Ping wrote:
> +1
> I agree that IA2 feature can be enabled automatically as default option
> ,which enable screen readers and other
> assistive technologies to work at beginning and convenient to most
> people who be eager to need this feature
> 

we should really differentiate, if AOO can detect a running screen
reader or other assistive tools we can and should enable it. But only
then and not by default.

Juergen


> 
> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Steve Yin  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Based on this issue >> ,
>> IA2 feature and the status of the option about accessibility check box
>> should be enabled automatically when AOO detects screen reader running. Do
>> you agree with that? Thanks.
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Steve Yin
>>
> 


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Re: draft blog post: Apache OpenOffice 4.1 to Bring Enhanced Accessibility Support

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 11/13/13 10:08 PM, janI wrote:
> On 13 November 2013 20:28, Rob Weir  wrote:
> 
>> This will be something to post after Steve merges the code intro the
>> trunk, which I understand will be soon:
>>
>> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_4_1_to
>>
>> Does anyone have anything else to add?  A quote from an assistive
>> technology vendor or accessibility expert would be good.
>>
> 
> Having learned from the experience with the sidebar, I think it would be
> correct to add that we (of course) make these new features available to
> other office packages. I for one still get a bit upset, thinking how the
> sidebar was announced in other packages, before we released it.
> 
> but that just my way of thinking.

I can understand you but that is something we probably can't prevent.
The only thing we can do is to talk about it publicly. And yes we will
see postings where people explain that they have merged the long
promised but never integrated iAccessbility2 features from Symphony in
there code and probably no word about AOO. The fact that Steve worked
several month on this to make it happen and that IBM sponsored this work
is then not important. At least not worth to mention because it would be
positive feedback.

Juergen

> 
> rgds
> jan I.
> 
>>
>> -Rob
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