Re: Marketing - Apache logo

2014-02-18 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 17/02/2014 Detlef Nannen wrote:

this looks interesting. So far we finance a german Version of AOO-Flyers
itself. What are the conditions for support, and how it can work?


I'm answering both requests from you and Alexandro here.

OpenOffice has a small fund donated for the OpenOffice participation in 
events. This translates to partial travel reimbursements in case it's a 
conference with an OpenOffice track (like FOSDEM), production of 
merchandising to give away at events (stickers, leaflets etc.), 
production of other materials like roll-ups for booths/stands.


So far we used it only to produce a roll-up and leaflets in English for 
European events (Michael and Mechtilde have them) and to give partial 
support to speakers (but I think we never actually used it, besides a 
partial reimbursement we'll give to Jan for FOSDEM 2014, as discussed on 
this list; this has not been sent yet anyway).


While there are a few technicalities related to Apache being a charity 
and needing to justify its expenses correctly, the process is:


1) Have clear what you want to do. If you are producing leaflets or 
stickers, have a design ready. Send it to the dev list for validation 
(there are a number of checks, mainly on trademarks).


2) Once we are all OK with the design, send a cost estimate and a reason 
(event, or better a series of events; why it is important and so on).


3) The dev list will discuss, and possibly approve; you will have to pay 
first and then ask for reimbursement later.


If, instead, you want to have Apache-branded materials for events, these 
are much easier to obtain since they are already printed and available. 
Michael and Mechtilde for example have Apache stickers, and at FOSDEM 
I've also seen Apache-branded pens and pins. These simply need to be 
requested here, and if OK we can contact the Apache staff to have them 
delivered. The main issue is with delivery costs.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: [CWiki] Account Whitelisting

2014-02-18 Thread Andrea Pescetti

shzh zhao wrote:

I created an account in cwiki because I want to share some project
information in wiki. My account name is 'aoo.zhaoshzh'. Seems I have to
send out a mail to activate my account so that I can create a wiki.


Account aoo.zhaoshzh whitelisted.

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Re: switch trunk from Mac 32bit to 64bit

2014-02-18 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann

Hi,


On 17.02.2014 20:43, Marcus (OOo) wrote:


[snip]


BTW:
Cross the fingers that I'll get access to a 10.5.x machine after the
weekend.


I got the chance to test on a MacBook with 10.5.7 and it worked like I
wanted to see it.

So, we have confirmed that:
- users with 10.5 *) and 10.6 are pointed to AOO 4.0.1
- users with 10.7 and newer are pointed to AOO 4.1.0

*) I think we can forget to test 10.4 and older as it's unlikely that we
get the chance. However, I expect that these versions get identied the
same way, so I think these will be covered, too.

Feature done and verified. :-)



Thx for this feature.

Best regards, Oliver.

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Re: Windows 8

2014-02-18 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann

Hi,

On 18.02.2014 08:22, Amit Mittal wrote:

I have successfully built open office on my Windows 8 machine without
facing much issues except cygwin related setup problems :)



cool.
It would be great, if you could document your experience on the related 
wiki pages. Thx in advance.


Best regards, Oliver.


-amit


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Varun Bezzam varun.bez...@gmail.comwrote:


Thanks for your help

On 2/10/14, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann orwittm...@googlemail.com wrote:

Hi,

On 10.02.2014 09:09, Andre Fischer wrote:

On 08.02.2014 14:06, Varun Bezzam wrote:

Hi Everybody!
I have noticed that the official Building on Windows page
does not have any information on Building For Windows 8. My laptop
runs Windows 8. Is this a problem? Should I install a different OS?


No, don't install a different OS :-)
But you may also want to look at [1] and [2].


and at [3] as this one should contain the complete prerequists for
Building AOO on Windows.

[3]


https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Building_on_Windows



Best regards, Oliver.


And it would be great if
you note anything that does not work on Windows 8 as described and how
you solved it, so that we can add a section for Windows 8 to the wiki
pages.

Thanks,
Andre

[1] https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO
[2]


https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step#Windows_7




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Re: [RELEASE]: New snapshot is ready

2014-02-18 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann

Hi,

On 17.02.2014 20:37, Marcus (OOo) wrote:

Am 02/17/2014 02:43 PM, schrieb Herbert Duerr:

The development snapshot Wiki page is updated too, but due to server
problems it is currently inaccessible.


Just curious. How to update a Wiki page when the Wiki server is down?



Magic ;-)

Jürgen updated the wiki before the upload had been finished - as stated 
in his initial posting.


Best regards, Oliver.


Marcus

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Re: svn commit: r1568331 - in /openoffice/trunk/main: default_images/introabout/intro.png ooo_custom_images/dev/introabout/intro.png ooo_custom_images/dev_nologo/introabout/intro.png ooo_custom_images

2014-02-18 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann

Hi,

On 17.02.2014 12:42, Andre Fischer wrote:

On 17.02.2014 12:05, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

Hi,

On 17.02.2014 11:10, Andre Fischer wrote:

On 17.02.2014 09:33, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

Hi,

good catch.

One minor remark:
openoffice/trunk/main/default_images/introabout/intro.png and
openoffice/trunk/main/ooo_custom_images/dev/introabout/intro.png
does not carry the ASF logo anymore.
I think these should carry the ASF logo while the other two do not.



Because of the nologo part in their name?


Please have a second look ;-)
The two above mentioned images does _NOT_ have a nologo part in
their path/name.
These two images carried the ASF logo before Jürgen's accidental
change on 2014-02-12.


I know.  I interpreted that as another oversight.  Why would we want the
ASF logo in one variant of intro.png but not the other?

Is there anybody who actually *knows*
a) whether the non default_images/ variants are still used (otherwise we
don't have to bother anyway)
b) whether the ASF logo should be in some intro.png variants



As far as I know the images with the ASF logo are used for the builds 
which we as the ASF AOO community provide for convenience to our users.
The images without the ASF logo are official ones also usable for others 
in derived works etc.


Best regards, Oliver.



-Andre




Best regards, Oliver.


These images exist for a long
time and I don't think that nologo refers to the ASF logo. I don't
know what they should display, I don't even know if they (all
intro.png's outside default_images/) are still used.

-Andre



Best regards, Oliver.

On 14.02.2014 16:02, a...@apache.org wrote:

Author: af
Date: Fri Feb 14 15:02:32 2014
New Revision: 1568331

URL: http://svn.apache.org/r1568331
Log:
124224: Using the modern logo once again.

Modified:
openoffice/trunk/main/default_images/introabout/intro.png
openoffice/trunk/main/ooo_custom_images/dev/introabout/intro.png
openoffice/trunk/main/ooo_custom_images/dev_nologo/introabout/intro.png

openoffice/trunk/main/ooo_custom_images/nologo/introabout/intro.png

Modified: openoffice/trunk/main/default_images/introabout/intro.png
URL:
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/main/default_images/introabout/intro.png?rev=1568331r1=1568330r2=1568331view=diff


==


Binary files - no diff available.

Modified:
openoffice/trunk/main/ooo_custom_images/dev/introabout/intro.png
URL:
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/main/ooo_custom_images/dev/introabout/intro.png?rev=1568331r1=1568330r2=1568331view=diff


==


Binary files - no diff available.

Modified:
openoffice/trunk/main/ooo_custom_images/dev_nologo/introabout/intro.png

URL:
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/main/ooo_custom_images/dev_nologo/introabout/intro.png?rev=1568331r1=1568330r2=1568331view=diff


==


Binary files - no diff available.

Modified:
openoffice/trunk/main/ooo_custom_images/nologo/introabout/intro.png
URL:
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/main/ooo_custom_images/nologo/introabout/intro.png?rev=1568331r1=1568330r2=1568331view=diff


==


Binary files - no diff available.




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Re: [CWiki] Account Whitelisting

2014-02-18 Thread shzh zhao
Thanks a lot.


2014-02-18 16:08 GMT+08:00 Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org:

 shzh zhao wrote:

 I created an account in cwiki because I want to share some project
 information in wiki. My account name is 'aoo.zhaoshzh'. Seems I have to
 send out a mail to activate my account so that I can create a wiki.


 Account aoo.zhaoshzh whitelisted.

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Re: My self-build AOO starts and then closes immediately

2014-02-18 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann

Hi Regina,

On 13.02.2014 13:01, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi Jürgen,

Jürgen Schmidt schrieb:

On 2/11/14 8:00 PM, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi Oliver,

without user profile it shows the same behavior: start with short flash
of the image and creating user-folder, then close.

I have also tested a user profile, which works in other versions. Same
problem here. Only the debug build is affected. I have still got a debug
version of r1537973, which works; but with r1554790 it fails already.


Further tests show, that a pro-build is affected too. An administrative
install from buildbot build has some similar: The first attempt to start
closes immediately in the described way. Most times a second start works
then, sometimes I need further starts.



I suspect, that there is something in my Windows environment, but I have
no idea where to search.


I would make a complete rebuild and if the problem still exists start
further debugging.


New build is finished, but problem remains.

It does not always fail to start. Sometimes it starts with first
attempt, sometimes it needs several attempts.

I have tried, whether any action between makes a difference, but I see
no pattern.

The integrated installed AOO4.0.1 does not have this problems. Perhaps
something is missing, when an administrative install is done? Has
something relevant changed from r1537973 (which still starts without
problems) to now?



I was not able to observe the same on my local builds on recent trunk 
revision in the last days.


I have currently no idea what would cause such a behavior.

Sorry that I am not able to help.


Best regards, Oliver.



Kind regards
Regina





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Re: [RELEASE]: New snapshot is ready

2014-02-18 Thread Herbert Duerr

On 17.02.2014 20:37, Marcus (OOo) wrote:

Am 02/17/2014 02:43 PM, schrieb Herbert Duerr:

The development snapshot Wiki page is updated too, but due to server
problems it is currently inaccessible.


Just curious. How to update a Wiki page when the Wiki server is down?


By updating it before it went down ;-)

Herbert


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review denied: [Bug 124188] CRASH when pasting grouped contents from Draw over a selected image : [Attachment 82591] Avoid NULL pointer access

2014-02-18 Thread bugzilla
Oliver-Rainer Wittmann o...@apache.org has denied Andre
awf@googlemail.com's request for review:
Bug 124188: CRASH when pasting grouped contents from Draw over a selected image
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124188

Attachment 82591: Avoid NULL pointer access
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=82591action=edit


--- Additional Comments from Oliver-Rainer Wittmann o...@apache.org
The patch avoids the crash, but the document is afterwards in an inconsistent
state as the anchor attribute for the as-character anchored object inside the
corresponding text node is missing.

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Paste screenshots in AOO writer 4.1 bêta

2014-02-18 Thread Guy Waterval
Hi all,

I dont know if this issue is relevant or not, just for info.
I generally use greenshot to make screenshots and copy them from greenshot
to the clipboard before pasting them in Writer.
http://getgreenshot.org/
I have noticed a little issue with writer in the latest bêta AOO 4.1 under
Windows 7.0 (not tested in other OS).
In Impress, Draw and Calc all is OK, but not in Writer,  the command Paste
or Ctr+V gives no results (in AOO 4.01 it was OK).
If I make screenshots with the simple Windows Printscreen command, all is
OK, also in Writer.
So, only to indicate a change noticed between AOO 4.01 and AOO 4.1 bêta,
not obligatory a bug.

A+
-- 
gw


[IMPORTANT] Re: [RELEASE] review of solved issues incl. some minor Bugzilla clean up

2014-02-18 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann

Hi,

On 10.02.2014 14:11, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

Hi,

with the support of Herbert - thanks to his script and the provided
results - I reviewed the issues which we had solved for our next release
based on the commit messages and the current Bugzilla data. My intention
was to have the corresponding Bugzilla data cleaned up in order to be
able to run a simple Bugzilla query to retrieve a list of the solved
issues for AOO 4.1.0.
After some minor adjustments to the Bugzilla data the simple query for
issues whose field 'Target Milestone' equals '4.1.0' should give the
corresponding list of issues - currently 254. Some are not in 'solved'
state yet in the Bugzilla, but I assume they until the release.

Please keep the Bugzilla data up-to-date for your future work on our
next release in order to keep the simple query working.
Thanks in advance.



Please, please, please, keep the Bugzilla data up-to-date.
E.g., when you fix a certain issue for the next release set field 
'Target Milestone' to the value of the next release.
Then simple Bugzilla queries will be possible to determine which issues 
are solved for a certain release and more important which issues needs 
to be verified by QA for the next release.

Thx in advance.

Best regards, Oliver.



Best regards, Oliver.



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Re: Paste screenshots in AOO writer 4.1 bêta

2014-02-18 Thread Andre Fischer

On 18.02.2014 10:08, Guy Waterval wrote:

Hi all,

I dont know if this issue is relevant or not, just for info.
I generally use greenshot to make screenshots and copy them from greenshot
to the clipboard before pasting them in Writer.
http://getgreenshot.org/
I have noticed a little issue with writer in the latest bêta AOO 4.1 under
Windows 7.0 (not tested in other OS).
In Impress, Draw and Calc all is OK, but not in Writer,  the command Paste
or Ctr+V gives no results (in AOO 4.01 it was OK).
If I make screenshots with the simple Windows Printscreen command, all is
OK, also in Writer.
So, only to indicate a change noticed between AOO 4.01 and AOO 4.1 bêta,
not obligatory a bug.


What does Edit-Paste Special list as available data formats?

-Andre



A+



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Re: Paste screenshots in AOO writer 4.1 bêta

2014-02-18 Thread Guy Waterval
Hi André,

Thanks for your answer

2014-02-18 11:32 GMT+01:00 Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com:

 On 18.02.2014 10:08, Guy Waterval wrote:

 Hi all,

 I dont know if this issue is relevant or not, just for info.
 I generally use greenshot to make screenshots and copy them from greenshot
 to the clipboard before pasting them in Writer.
 http://getgreenshot.org/
 I have noticed a little issue with writer in the latest bêta AOO 4.1 under
 Windows 7.0 (not tested in other OS).
 In Impress, Draw and Calc all is OK, but not in Writer,  the command Paste
 or Ctr+V gives no results (in AOO 4.01 it was OK).
 If I make screenshots with the simple Windows Printscreen command, all is
 OK, also in Writer.
 So, only to indicate a change noticed between AOO 4.01 and AOO 4.1 bêta,
 not obligatory a bug.


 What does Edit-Paste Special list as available data formats?


Only bitmap, and I just notice that the Paste special command is OK in
Writer, only the normal Paste command doesn't give any results,
For other modules, the two commands (normal and special) are OK.

A+
-- 
gw





Re: US_inprogress folder went missing during the build

2014-02-18 Thread LOH KOK HOE
Hello guys,
I just update my workspace and the build has now run successfully. This
round I did the build without option -P. I wasn't sure whether the build is
cause by the option -P or my workspace could be rather old.
THanks @!


On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 8:47 PM, LOH KOK HOE huahsi...@gmail.com wrote:

 @Regina
 I did build with -P option for the reason to speed up the building
 process. This is the command I use in the build: build --all -P2 -- -P2,
 and then I did also try build --all, result still the same. I didn't
 configure any thing including the --with-lang option. So I leave it
 default. FYI, my development PC consist of Ubuntu 13.04 64bit, i5-2400 @
 3.10GHz with 8GB RAM.
 :o)


 On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:32 PM, Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de
  wrote:

 Hi,

 I build for Windows, but perhaps there are similar problems on Linux:

 Do you try to build with option -P ? I found, that -P4 does never work
 for me, but building without that option works.

 What is your value for --with-lang in configure? It seems to me that
 wrong values are not detected before packing.

 Kind regards
 Regina

 LOH KOK HOE schrieb:

  I have remove the unxingx6.pro and rebuild, error still persist. I'm
 having
 this error being shown during the build:

 **
 ERROR: Saved logfile:
 /home/kokhoe/workspace/aoo-trunk/main/instsetoo_native/
 unxlngx6.pro/Apache_OpenOffice/deb/logging/en-US/log_AOO410_en-US.log
 **
 Thu Feb 13 21:52:37 2014 (00:08 min.)
 dmake:  Error code 255, while making 'openoffice_en-US.deb'

 1 module(s):
   instsetoo_native
 need(s) to be rebuilt

 Reason(s):

 ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making
 /home/kokhoe/workspace/aoo-trunk/main/instsetoo_native/util

 When you have fixed the errors in that module you can resume the build by
 running:

 build --all:instsetoo_native



 On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann 
 orwittm...@googlemail.com wrote:

  Hi,


 On 12.02.2014 15:18, LOH KOK HOE wrote:

  As I following the
 guidelinehttps://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Building_
 installation_packages

 on


 building the AOO, I got following error shown in the log file, the log
 file were locate at AOO-ROOT/main/instsetoo_native/
 unxlngx6.pro/Apache_OpenOffice/deb/logging/en-US directory, and the
 file
 name was log_AOO410_en-US.log.

 ***
 ERROR: More than one new package in directory
 /home/kokhoe/workspace/aoo-trunk/main/instsetoo_native/
 unxlngx6.pro/Apache_OpenOffice/deb/install/en-US_inprogress/DEBS (
 /home/kokhoe/workspace/aoo-trunk/main/instsetoo_native/
 unxlngx6.pro/Apache_OpenOffice/deb/install/en-US_
 inprogress/DEBS/openoffice-writer-4.0.0-1-linux-3.8-x86_
 64.deb/home/kokhoe/workspace/aoo-trunk/main/instsetoo_native/
 unxlngx6.pro/Apache_OpenOffice/deb/install/en-US_
 inprogress/DEBS/openoffice-writer-4.0.0-1-linux-3.8-x86_64
 )
 in function: determine_new_packagename (packagepool)
 ***

 As I check in the install directory, I don't see US_inprogress
 folder,
 but I do see others. May I know how could I rectified this issue?


  Folder 'en-US_inprogress' is the folder name used during the creation
 of
 the installation packages. It is renamed to 'en-US' once the packaging
 has
 finished.

 Unfortunately, I can not help you with the error - I am not involved
 deep
 enough in the packaging.

 I recommendation is the remove folder 'unxlngx6.pro' (it is the build
 output folder) in module instsetoo_native and try a further 'build
 --all'

 Best regards, Oliver.


   The output of the console mention this:


 dmake:  Error code 255, while making 'openoffice_en-US.deb'

 It seems to me that the build was failed due to the builder failed to
 make
 a deb package.


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Trace Output

2014-02-18 Thread Steele, Raymond

I configured the OpenOffice build without debug and disabled symbols, but I am 
still getting 'trace' output in the terminal when I run ./soffice. How do I 
disable this?

Raymond



More annoying FUD

2014-02-18 Thread Rob Weir
http://www.italovignoli.org/2014/02/language-support-of-office-suites/

Don't you love it when they come up with these false comparisons?

If you look a little bit closer you see that they are releasing and
counting languages where the UI is only 15% translated.  So yes, if
you are willing to release incomplete work then you can claim to
support more languages.  But what kind of support is this?

A specific example:  Tartar (15% UI translated)

I thought OOo had a requirement for 80% completion before releasing a
translation.  With AOO we made the requirement be 100%.  LO releases
15% complete UI translations ?!

Of course, we shouldn't judge their release criteria.  That is their
business (and their users) not ours.  But when they make false
comparisons in a table, comparing apples-to-oranges, then we ought to
note it.  It is not fair to claim lower standards are the same as
greater results.

Another example:  They've released Hebrew support at 90% complete.  We
have Hebrew support at 96% complete, but we have not released it yet.

Another example:  Our Icelandic translation (unreleased) is 95%
complete.  Theirs (released) is only 88%.

Another example:  We have 36 languages at 100% complete UI
translation.  LO has only 13.

Look at the data and make your own comparisons:

https://translate.apache.org/projects/aoo40/

https://translations.documentfoundation.org/projects/libo_ui/

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Re: More annoying FUD

2014-02-18 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 Of course, we shouldn't judge their release criteria.  That is their
 business (and their users) not ours.  But when they make false
 comparisons in a table, comparing apples-to-oranges, then we ought to
 note it.

LIARS, that's the word.

FC

-- 
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act
Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un
Acto Revolucionario
- George Orwell

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Re: More annoying FUD

2014-02-18 Thread jan i
On 18 February 2014 18:34, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 http://www.italovignoli.org/2014/02/language-support-of-office-suites/

 Don't you love it when they come up with these false comparisons?

 If you look a little bit closer you see that they are releasing and
 counting languages where the UI is only 15% translated.  So yes, if
 you are willing to release incomplete work then you can claim to
 support more languages.  But what kind of support is this?

 A specific example:  Tartar (15% UI translated)

 I thought OOo had a requirement for 80% completion before releasing a
 translation.  With AOO we made the requirement be 100%.  LO releases
 15% complete UI translations ?!

 Of course, we shouldn't judge their release criteria.  That is their
 business (and their users) not ours.  But when they make false
 comparisons in a table, comparing apples-to-oranges, then we ought to
 note it.  It is not fair to claim lower standards are the same as
 greater results.

 Another example:  They've released Hebrew support at 90% complete.  We
 have Hebrew support at 96% complete, but we have not released it yet.

 Another example:  Our Icelandic translation (unreleased) is 95%
 complete.  Theirs (released) is only 88%.

 Another example:  We have 36 languages at 100% complete UI
 translation.  LO has only 13.

 Look at the data and make your own comparisons:

 https://translate.apache.org/projects/aoo40/

 https://translations.documentfoundation.org/projects/libo_ui/


We could also turn around at start releasing less than 100%, I got
frustratrated with some of the releases where danish have been around 96%,
and the missing bit was the scripting language.

If should be quite simple to group the release in 100% and less than 100%
so users are warned.

It should be noted when we say 100% it is the UI, it does not include the
help system.

But apart from that, I agree the blog is unfair and compare to give an
advantage instead of being fair (I think that is called marketing).

rgds
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Re: More annoying FUD

2014-02-18 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Rob Weir wrote:

Don't you love it when they come up with these false comparisons?


The standard Help Translate Apache OpenOffice page
https://openoffice.apache.org/translate.html
is probably too fair to be sexy, but it explains well the situation in 
OpenOffice:

  ---
A list of complete, released, translations available in the most recent 
release of Apache OpenOffice can be found at

http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html

A larger list of languages, including ones where translation work is 
still ongoing, can be found at

https://translate.apache.org/projects/aoo40/

while the full list of available translations, including incomplete and 
dormant ones, is available at

http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/extras/l10n/source/
  ---
(the latter is between 110 and 120)

I know people who say they can speak a bit German just because they can 
count to ten in German... Yes, knowing, or supporting, a language is a 
matter of definition in the end.


Just to put something useful in this thread, I would support the idea to 
make incomplete translations available in some way. This is helpful to 
the community. It will eventually come with genLang, but building a 
snapshot with all the 110+ languages (which is annoying to do with the 
current process, I know) would help in getting volunteers involved, as 
validated (but it was still an easy guess) by talking to booth visitors 
at FOSDEM.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: More annoying FUD

2014-02-18 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts


On 2014-02-18, at 13:39, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:

 Rob Weir wrote:
 Don't you love it when they come up with these false comparisons?
 
 The standard Help Translate Apache OpenOffice page
 https://openoffice.apache.org/translate.html
 is probably too fair to be sexy, but it explains well the situation in 
 OpenOffice:
  ---
 A list of complete, released, translations available in the most recent 
 release of Apache OpenOffice can be found at
 http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html
 
 A larger list of languages, including ones where translation work is still 
 ongoing, can be found at
 https://translate.apache.org/projects/aoo40/
 
 while the full list of available translations, including incomplete and 
 dormant ones, is available at
 http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/extras/l10n/source/
  ---
 (the latter is between 110 and 120)
 
 I know people who say they can speak a bit German just because they can count 
 to ten in German... Yes, knowing, or supporting, a language is a matter of 
 definition in the end.
 
 Just to put something useful in this thread, I would support the idea to make 
 incomplete translations available in some way. This is helpful to the 
 community. It will eventually come with genLang, but building a snapshot with 
 all the 110+ languages (which is annoying to do with the current process, I 
 know) would help in getting volunteers involved, as validated (but it was 
 still an easy guess) by talking to booth visitors at FOSDEM.
 
 Regards,
  Andrea.

I presume or hope that the above and then more from Rob and others is to find 
its way into our blog?

And I can point journalists to it.

It's not that I'm tired of the endless FUD from Italo—he apparently has 
little else to do or give meaning to his retirement—but that I'm depressed that 
the crop of tech journalists have not wised up. But then, they are getting 
wizened: most that rereport this crap have been doing this sort of 
meta-stenography now for over a decade. The new journals don't bother with this 
sort of thing.

louis
 
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Re: [RELEASE][DISCUSS] How to download AOO 4.1.0 Beta?

2014-02-18 Thread Marcus (OOo)

Am 02/18/2014 08:44 AM, schrieb Andre Fischer:

On 17.02.2014 20:44, Marcus (OOo) wrote:

Am 02/17/2014 09:37 AM, schrieb Andre Fischer:

On 14.02.2014 22:32, Rob Weir wrote:

On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de
wrote:

As this is our first beta release at Apache, I would like to clarify
some
things before it's maybe too late to change the facts and to prepare
webpages:

1. Target group

It is intended to be downloaded for the general public, right?

2. Hosting

We are planning to host the files at Sourceforge, right?

3. File names:

Of course the file names of the install files have to show a
difference
compared to the general release files. Suggestion:

Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.0_Beta_Win_x86_install.exe

*If* there is a need to publish another round, it could be extended
with a
number like:

Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.0_Beta2_Win_x86_install.exe

4. Directory structure:

Is it OK to expect to use the same dir structure like we have
currently for
4.0.1?


In general, yes, but please keep in mind that our Mac builds are now
64bit. I assume that the directories that contain the Mac downloads got
renamed (Servers are currently down so I can not check).


This is currently the complete path to the AOO 4.0.1 install files,
example for English US:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.0.1/binaries/en-US/


There is no part included to reflect the OS and I don't know of an
idea to do so. Or have I misunderstood you?


Looks like I assumed wrong. I had the directory structure of the
snapshot builds in mind, which obviously differ from that of the release.
So we only keep in mind that the names of the Mac binaries change (not
sure if that is relevant).


That's true. Will keep in mind.

Marcus




The above makes sense to me.



5. Download webpage:

Is it OK to expect to offer the download on our main download webpage?
http://www.openoffice.org/download/

If yes, I can build up a download offer like we have for the green
box. To
ease the download as best as possible.


I would not make this the default download option for users. We still
want most users to download AOO 4.0.1. So keep the first box on
/download.html as it is now.

Maybe a yellow box (yellow == caution) with language that makes it
clear that this is beta and gives the URL for reporting bugs.

Were you thinking of a language/platform switch logic for the beta?
Or just a link to a beta_other.html page with a table of links? If
we do the table, then we would have room on the same page to give a
prominent warning, a link to BZ, Release Notes, etc.

Thanks!

-Rob



Thanks

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Re: [RELEASE][DISCUSS] How to download AOO 4.1.0 Beta?

2014-02-18 Thread Marcus (OOo)

Am 02/18/2014 02:05 AM, schrieb Kay Schenk:

On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 3:49 AM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de  wrote:


Am 02/15/2014 11:37 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk:

  On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de

  wrote:

  Am 02/14/2014 10:47 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):


   Am 02/14/2014 10:32 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:



  On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de

wrote:

  As this is our first beta release at Apache, I would like to clarify

some
things before it's maybe too late to change the facts and to prepare
webpages:

1. Target group

It is intended to be downloaded for the general public, right?

2. Hosting

We are planning to host the files at Sourceforge, right?

3. File names:

Of course the file names of the install files have to show a
difference
compared to the general release files. Suggestion:

Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.0_Beta_Win_x86_install.exe

*If* there is a need to publish another round, it could be extended
with a
number like:

Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.0_Beta2_Win_x86_install.exe

4. Directory structure:

Is it OK to expect to use the same dir structure like we have
currently for
4.0.1?


  The above makes sense to me.



   5. Download webpage:



Is it OK to expect to offer the download on our main download webpage?
http://www.openoffice.org/download/

If yes, I can build up a download offer like we have for the green
box. To
ease the download as best as possible.


  I would not make this the default download option for users. We still

want most users to download AOO 4.0.1. So keep the first box on
/download.html as it is now.

Maybe a yellow box (yellow == caution) with language that makes it
clear that this is beta and gives the URL for reporting bugs.



I think I was not clear in my wording. :-)

Of course the current 4.0.1 should not be effected in any way.

With ease the download as best as possible I meant to do the same like
we have for the green box but of course with a different color and text.

   Were you thinking of a language/platform switch logic for the beta?


Or just a link to a beta_other.html page with a table of links? If
we do the table, then we would have room on the same page to give a
prominent warning, a link to BZ, Release Notes, etc.



I thought about the one-click-download we have already. Then of course a
beta-other.html is also needed and your suggestion makes absolutely
sense.

It could be a box somewhere below the green box. Or - as Kay mentioned -
a separate webpage.



I've added a quick version of how it could look like on the same download
webpage:

http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/index.html

- The first yellow box is for the download when the Beta release is
available. Of course the links are not yet working - but with link name
and
title you should get an first impression.



This looks good, and, given the wording, shouldn't cause confusion.



Thanks


  - The second one is a little teaser to show when is it coming. With a link

to the AOO blog - in case of if we want to blog about the upcoming Beta
release.



not sure about needing this.



Maybe we want to push the Beta release somehow. On the download webpage
this could help to point the attention to something that is coming soon.



Well, OK, I see your point, although the beta is supposed to be I just
assumed we would use normal channels when we were ready with this -- I
think the end of Feb is slated -- banner on website home page,
announcements e-mail, social channels. Again, it will be a voted
release. I think the only think that will remarkably distinguish it from a
production release is it's a more formal way to get feedback from users
before production.


That's all good. However, to have a little hint like 4.1.0 coming soon 
on the download webpage is IMHO very valueable. When I remember right 
it's one of the most visited webpages on the entire AOO website.


However, it's just a suggestion. Let's see what time will request.

Marcus




Juergen has proposed a new date for the  beta to Feb. 28...I will change
this on the wiki

http://markmail.org/message/5kn5mk2qndjircqm




  PS:

The green box is still for the Mac OS X test:
- download AOO 4.1.0 if 10.7 or newer is recognized in browser
- download AOO 4.0.1 if 10.6 or older is recognized in browser




not for me! :) Still wants to give me Linux.



You need to browse with MacOS to the webpage. With other OS's it's just
the normal behavior.


Marcus


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Re: More annoying FUD

2014-02-18 Thread Marcus (OOo)

Am 02/18/2014 07:39 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

Rob Weir wrote:

Don't you love it when they come up with these false comparisons?


The standard Help Translate Apache OpenOffice page
https://openoffice.apache.org/translate.html
is probably too fair to be sexy, but it explains well the situation in
OpenOffice:
---
A list of complete, released, translations available in the most recent
release of Apache OpenOffice can be found at
http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html

A larger list of languages, including ones where translation work is
still ongoing, can be found at
https://translate.apache.org/projects/aoo40/

while the full list of available translations, including incomplete and
dormant ones, is available at
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/extras/l10n/source/
---
(the latter is between 110 and 120)

I know people who say they can speak a bit German just because they can
count to ten in German... Yes, knowing, or supporting, a language is a
matter of definition in the end.

Just to put something useful in this thread, I would support the idea to
make incomplete translations available in some way. This is helpful to
the community. It will eventually come with genLang, but building a
snapshot with all the 110+ languages (which is annoying to do with the
current process, I know) would help in getting volunteers involved, as
validated (but it was still an easy guess) by talking to booth visitors
at FOSDEM.


yes, if the build system and effort could support the building of so 
many more languages I would support that wish, too.


Marcus


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Re: More annoying FUD

2014-02-18 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Thanks a lot for your investigations. It shows that both projects have a 
different view point of what an apple is and looks like.


Marcus



Am 02/18/2014 06:34 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:

http://www.italovignoli.org/2014/02/language-support-of-office-suites/

Don't you love it when they come up with these false comparisons?

If you look a little bit closer you see that they are releasing and
counting languages where the UI is only 15% translated.  So yes, if
you are willing to release incomplete work then you can claim to
support more languages.  But what kind of support is this?

A specific example:  Tartar (15% UI translated)

I thought OOo had a requirement for 80% completion before releasing a
translation.  With AOO we made the requirement be 100%.  LO releases
15% complete UI translations ?!

Of course, we shouldn't judge their release criteria.  That is their
business (and their users) not ours.  But when they make false
comparisons in a table, comparing apples-to-oranges, then we ought to
note it.  It is not fair to claim lower standards are the same as
greater results.

Another example:  They've released Hebrew support at 90% complete.  We
have Hebrew support at 96% complete, but we have not released it yet.

Another example:  Our Icelandic translation (unreleased) is 95%
complete.  Theirs (released) is only 88%.

Another example:  We have 36 languages at 100% complete UI
translation.  LO has only 13.

Look at the data and make your own comparisons:

https://translate.apache.org/projects/aoo40/

https://translations.documentfoundation.org/projects/libo_ui/


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deleted files still showing in repository browse -- help!

2014-02-18 Thread Kay Schenk
In this repository --

http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/documentation/online_help/helpauthoring/

I did an svn delete yesterday on all files  named
OOo2HelpAuthoring-number.html

Just the ones followed by a number, not the others, and not the png
files.
Yet, they are still showing in the web browse of the repository. In my
local repo, even deleting the whole directory, followed by an svn update
yields the correct files. So, does anyone know why these files are still
stuck like this in the web browse mode?

and, oops! I didn't realize svn delete wouldn't prompt me for a log
message so there was none. :/



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Re: More annoying FUD

2014-02-18 Thread Kazunari Hirano
Hi Rob and all,

Heavy snow hit Japan.  How about your places?

http://www.italovignoli.org/2014/02/language-support-of-office-suites/
I don't understand numbers on the table.
For example, Dzongkha.
Where does the number, 171,300, come from?

Thanks,
khirano



On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 2:34 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 http://www.italovignoli.org/2014/02/language-support-of-office-suites/

 Don't you love it when they come up with these false comparisons?

 If you look a little bit closer you see that they are releasing and
 counting languages where the UI is only 15% translated.  So yes, if
 you are willing to release incomplete work then you can claim to
 support more languages.  But what kind of support is this?

 A specific example:  Tartar (15% UI translated)

 I thought OOo had a requirement for 80% completion before releasing a
 translation.  With AOO we made the requirement be 100%.  LO releases
 15% complete UI translations ?!

 Of course, we shouldn't judge their release criteria.  That is their
 business (and their users) not ours.  But when they make false
 comparisons in a table, comparing apples-to-oranges, then we ought to
 note it.  It is not fair to claim lower standards are the same as
 greater results.

 Another example:  They've released Hebrew support at 90% complete.  We
 have Hebrew support at 96% complete, but we have not released it yet.

 Another example:  Our Icelandic translation (unreleased) is 95%
 complete.  Theirs (released) is only 88%.

 Another example:  We have 36 languages at 100% complete UI
 translation.  LO has only 13.

 Look at the data and make your own comparisons:

 https://translate.apache.org/projects/aoo40/

 https://translations.documentfoundation.org/projects/libo_ui/

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Re: More annoying FUD

2014-02-18 Thread David Gerard
On 18 February 2014 22:30, Kazunari Hirano khir...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't understand numbers on the table.
 For example, Dzongkha.
 Where does the number, 171,300, come from?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzongkha says 171,000 native speakers as
of 2006, sourced from Ethnologue.


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dmake clean

2014-02-18 Thread Steele, Raymond
I am not sure why, but I just did a dmake clean in ../main and once if finished 
all the module directories including source was deleted. Thankfully, I had a 
backup.  Can anyone explain this?

Raymond



RE: dmake clean

2014-02-18 Thread Steele, Raymond
I see in the Makefile:

clean .PHONY

-rm -rf */$(INPATH)
-rm -rf solver/*/$(INPATH)

I am going to make an assumption that I performed the dmake clean and $INPATH 
was not set, therefore  rm -rf */ was performed

From: Steele, Raymond
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:58 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: dmake clean

I am not sure why, but I just did a dmake clean in ../main and once if finished 
all the module directories including source was deleted. Thankfully, I had a 
backup.  Can anyone explain this?

Raymond



Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website

2014-02-18 Thread Graeme Charters
I have downloaded OpenOffice to my sister-in-law's HP mini (I think on 8th
February 2014). She ended up with the *Start.MySearchDial.com
http://Start.MySearchDial.com* redirects virus on her machine.

Nothing else has been downloaded onto her machine in recent times so I do
not think it can have come from any other source. With hindsight I now
recall that the process seemed not to be as simple and straightforward as
on previous occasions when I have downloaded OOO.

I hope this info will help you be aware of the problem.

Graeme Charters


Re: call for design of sticker etc.

2014-02-18 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 17/02/2014 Rob Weir wrote:

We have a few other requirements similar to this, for AOO-related
graphics design work.   Maybe we should make a list of such items on
the wiki, or even in BZ?  Then we can link to them from our Get
Involved page and similar places where we direct new volunteers.


Good idea. Or even a Get Involved in design page that is not much more 
than the list of needs (but this would be harder to update) and some 
links to the branding guidelines and trademark information...


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Question on building OpenOffice

2014-02-18 Thread Reem Elnagar
Hi :) 

I had a problem while building open office it was written in the step by step 
building guide in Ubuntu 
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step 
to write the command 

source LinuxX86-64Env.Set.sh 
but when I did that I got  No such file or directory can anyone tell what 
went wrong ?
Thanks in advance :) 


Re: dmake clean

2014-02-18 Thread Kay Schenk
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Steele, Raymond raymond.ste...@lmco.comwrote:

 I see in the Makefile:

 clean .PHONY

 -rm -rf */$(INPATH)
 -rm -rf solver/*/$(INPATH)

 I am going to make an assumption that I performed the dmake clean and
 $INPATH was not set, therefore  rm -rf */ was performed

 From: Steele, Raymond
 Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:58 PM
 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
 Subject: dmake clean

 I am not sure why, but I just did a dmake clean in ../main and once if
 finished all the module directories including source was deleted.
 Thankfully, I had a backup.  Can anyone explain this?

 Raymond


Hello Raymond --

Yes, an incredibly annoying thing and one I have experienced as well.

 If you source your env script and THEN do dmake clean, only the bits
generated toward the native build will disappear. The clean script does a
MUCH bigger remove if you don't do that first. The first time this happened
to me, I freaked a bit, but as I hadn't made any local mods, an svn update
got everything back.

 It's good that you had a backup since I'm assuming you made local mods
that you wanted to keep.  The build doc needs a bit of updating to help
others avoid this pitfall.


Happy coding!

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Re: More annoying FUD

2014-02-18 Thread Kay Schenk
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:09 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:

 On 18 February 2014 18:34, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

  http://www.italovignoli.org/2014/02/language-support-of-office-suites/
 
  Don't you love it when they come up with these false comparisons?
 
  If you look a little bit closer you see that they are releasing and
  counting languages where the UI is only 15% translated.  So yes, if
  you are willing to release incomplete work then you can claim to
  support more languages.  But what kind of support is this?
 
  A specific example:  Tartar (15% UI translated)
 
  I thought OOo had a requirement for 80% completion before releasing a
  translation.  With AOO we made the requirement be 100%.  LO releases
  15% complete UI translations ?!
 
  Of course, we shouldn't judge their release criteria.  That is their
  business (and their users) not ours.  But when they make false
  comparisons in a table, comparing apples-to-oranges, then we ought to
  note it.  It is not fair to claim lower standards are the same as
  greater results.
 
  Another example:  They've released Hebrew support at 90% complete.  We
  have Hebrew support at 96% complete, but we have not released it yet.
 
  Another example:  Our Icelandic translation (unreleased) is 95%
  complete.  Theirs (released) is only 88%.
 
  Another example:  We have 36 languages at 100% complete UI
  translation.  LO has only 13.
 
  Look at the data and make your own comparisons:
 
  https://translate.apache.org/projects/aoo40/
 
  https://translations.documentfoundation.org/projects/libo_ui/
 

 We could also turn around at start releasing less than 100%, I got
 frustratrated with some of the releases where danish have been around 96%,
 and the missing bit was the scripting language.


Maybe our criteria  needs another round of discussion?



 If should be quite simple to group the release in 100% and less than 100%
 so users are warned.

 It should be noted when we say 100% it is the UI, it does not include the
 help system.


I did not know this! I thought the translations included the help system.



 But apart from that, I agree the blog is unfair and compare to give an
 advantage instead of being fair (I think that is called marketing).

 rgds
 jan I.


We could definitely use a rebuttal blog -- maybe something like
 The localization strategies of Apache OpenOffice -- maximizing user
usability 

whether the FUD of this thread is referenced  or not



 
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Re: deleted files still showing in repository browse -- help!

2014-02-18 Thread Kay Schenk
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:

 Am 02/18/2014 11:06 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk:

  In this repository --

 http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/
 content/documentation/online_help/helpauthoring/

 I did an svn delete yesterday on all files  named
 OOo2HelpAuthoring-number.html

 Just the ones followed by a number, not the others, and not the png
 files.
 Yet, they are still showing in the web browse of the repository. In my
 local repo, even deleting the whole directory, followed by an svn update
 yields the correct files. So, does anyone know why these files are still
 stuck like this in the web browse mode?

 and, oops! I didn't realize svn delete wouldn't prompt me for a log
 message so there was none. :/


 Have you committed your delete actions? If not, that is very likely the
 cause.

 Marcus


yes, and basically nothing changed...






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I have posted 3 wiki for OOXML export

2014-02-18 Thread shzh zhao
1. shape export
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Shape+Export+in+OOXML+Export
2. DrawingML shape export
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/DrawingML+export+in+OOXML+export
3. UT method in OOXML export
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/UT+method+in+OOXML+Export

VML shape export will be added later.
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Re: Paste screenshots in AOO writer 4.1 bêta

2014-02-18 Thread Armin Le Grand

Hi,

this may have to do with my changes to #123922#, see [1] I will check 
this...


[1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123922

On 18.02.2014 05:36, Guy Waterval wrote:

Hi André,

Thanks for your answer

2014-02-18 11:32 GMT+01:00 Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com:


On 18.02.2014 10:08, Guy Waterval wrote:


Hi all,

I dont know if this issue is relevant or not, just for info.
I generally use greenshot to make screenshots and copy them from greenshot
to the clipboard before pasting them in Writer.
http://getgreenshot.org/
I have noticed a little issue with writer in the latest bêta AOO 4.1 under
Windows 7.0 (not tested in other OS).
In Impress, Draw and Calc all is OK, but not in Writer,  the command Paste
or Ctr+V gives no results (in AOO 4.01 it was OK).
If I make screenshots with the simple Windows Printscreen command, all is
OK, also in Writer.
So, only to indicate a change noticed between AOO 4.01 and AOO 4.1 bêta,
not obligatory a bug.


What does Edit-Paste Special list as available data formats?


Only bitmap, and I just notice that the Paste special command is OK in
Writer, only the normal Paste command doesn't give any results,
For other modules, the two commands (normal and special) are OK.

A+



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Re: willing to donate openoffice Base template

2014-02-18 Thread Roberto Galoppini
2014-02-17 14:27 GMT+01:00 John C. Pratt jpra...@gmail.com:

 Hello, I would like to donate

 http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/family-address-book-birthday-remindersto
 Open Office, and I am willing to remove all branding.

 My problem is this: I can't continue to host the download of this any more;
 I need a new way to offer it. Can you host it? (The problem is that there
 is no category for Base for templates, and you require that non -oxc
 extensions be hosting offsite. What can I do?

 I am willing to donate it but I understand that there may not be enough
 interest to maintain it.




Hi John,

 Actually for historical reason the Template website has been designed for
managing only Write, Calc and Impress templates. The best way to handle
this maybe to create a project page on SourceForge and we'll take care of
creating the page on the Template site. It seems like many in the past went
this way, and considering that now SourceForge is managing the Template
site the end-user experience will be just like for every other template.

If you do not want to create a SourceForge project for that just let me
know, you might send me your template and I'll take care of handling the
upload.

Roberto




 --John



Re: Trace Output

2014-02-18 Thread Andre Fischer

On 18.02.2014 16:56, Steele, Raymond wrote:

I configured the OpenOffice build without debug and disabled symbols, but I am 
still getting 'trace' output in the terminal when I run ./soffice. How do I 
disable this?

Raymond




Can you give us an example?  With that we can find the place in the 
source and understand why it is still printed.


-Andre


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Re: dmake clean

2014-02-18 Thread Andre Fischer

On 19.02.2014 00:48, Kay Schenk wrote:

On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Steele, Raymond raymond.ste...@lmco.comwrote:


I see in the Makefile:

clean .PHONY

 -rm -rf */$(INPATH)
 -rm -rf solver/*/$(INPATH)

I am going to make an assumption that I performed the dmake clean and
$INPATH was not set, therefore  rm -rf */ was performed

From: Steele, Raymond
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:58 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: dmake clean

I am not sure why, but I just did a dmake clean in ../main and once if
finished all the module directories including source was deleted.
Thankfully, I had a backup.  Can anyone explain this?

Raymond



Hello Raymond --

Yes, an incredibly annoying thing and one I have experienced as well.

  If you source your env script and THEN do dmake clean, only the bits
generated toward the native build will disappear. The clean script does a
MUCH bigger remove if you don't do that first. The first time this happened
to me, I freaked a bit, but as I hadn't made any local mods, an svn update
got everything back.

  It's good that you had a backup since I'm assuming you made local mods
that you wanted to keep.  The build doc needs a bit of updating to help
others avoid this pitfall.



Thanks for bringing this to my attention.  Up to now I thought that the 
worst that 'dmake clean' would do would be to delete dmake as well.

I will see what I can do.

-Andre




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HOW-TO use Microsoft Access databases from within OpenOffice.org 1.1

2014-02-18 Thread Gabriel
HOW-TO use Microsoft Access databases from within OpenOffice.org 1.1


I need help using Access *.mdb files with OpenOffice 4.0.1 on Windows 8 
(Stupid, I know. Win2K does not support touchscreen)

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