Re: [RELEASE]: propose a AOO 4.1.1 bugfix release as next release
On 05/06/14 22:12, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Jürgen Schmidt wrote: The issue 124985 [1] can be seen as a meta issue where we have started to collect potential candidates for a AOO 4.1.1 bugfix release. Seeing the list, I agree a 4.1.1 is desirable. I would like to keep the effort minimal because the main work should go into a future release Sure, but I suggest to give translators the opportunity to: a- Fix translations b- Complete translations in time Of course we always had some deadlines, but they didn't always work well (e.g., people were expecting that fixing bugs in Pootle was enough). We should make an effort to communicate them better this time, especially if the schedule is expected to be quite short. for sure we will define a fixed deadline and I will not merge anything after this deadline. And in general if people work on improvements for translations they should create immediately an issue to track it. If it fits in the next release or not is of course something different and can be decided on demand. As long as we have no automatic integration it works via issues as in the past. And of course I don't see that this will change soon because nobody really works on it at the moment, at least not visible Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DOWNLOAD][PROPOSAL] How to download another version than offered in the green box?
Marcus (OOo) wrote: sure both buttons should react independent of each other. I've fixed this. Regarding the styling, this is indeed really a question of taste. To see the difference maybe better, I've styled both buttons different. I like the style that I now see for the first button (full version): dark text on light background, that becomes light text on dark background at hovering. I can't see the same effect on the second button (I don't know if this is a bug or if it is what you mean with styled different): I see both buttons styled the same way (dark text on light background) when not hovering, then if I hover over the second nothing changes. For the rest, really impressive improvements! Thanks. And let me add to this that the new analyze.html page is really nice too. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Code snippets from oooforum in AOO website?
Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: I just dropped Ed another email, this time I copied the four known email addresses that I have for him. I made an attempt at contacting him too, to confirm that the project would like to save the forum, or at least the current content. I pointed Ed to this thread. You have better connections than I have, so thanks for using them. Also, depending on your plans, do you have objections if the official Apache OpenOffice group mirrors the original content (they have a copy Not sure about this. Hagar wrote he has some stuff, but I don't know if that is a full dump (PHP code, database, attached files) which would allow us to restore the forum, or if it is just a collection of pages downloaded somehow. I'm not aware of any other archives than Hagar's one. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Code snippets from oooforum in AOO website?
On Fri, 06 Jun 2014 09:01:25 +0200 Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: I just dropped Ed another email, this time I copied the four known email addresses that I have for him. I made an attempt at contacting him too, to confirm that the project would like to save the forum, or at least the current content. I pointed Ed to this thread. You have better connections than I have, so thanks for using them. Also, depending on your plans, do you have objections if the official Apache OpenOffice group mirrors the original content (they have a copy Not sure about this. Hagar wrote he has some stuff, but I don't know if that is a full dump (PHP code, database, attached files) which would allow us to restore the forum, or if it is just a collection of pages downloaded somehow. I'm not aware of any other archives than Hagar's one. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org I think Floris V (moderator) on the forum has a dump also. If the oooforum is transferred, I think the archive should be read-only, so that ongoing conversations and modifications take place on the threads of the current forum. -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Code snippets from oooforum in AOO website?
On 6 June 2014 09:01, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: I just dropped Ed another email, this time I copied the four known email addresses that I have for him. I made an attempt at contacting him too, to confirm that the project would like to save the forum, or at least the current content. I pointed Ed to this thread. You have better connections than I have, so thanks for using them. Also, depending on your plans, do you have objections if the official Apache OpenOffice group mirrors the original content (they have a copy Not sure about this. Hagar wrote he has some stuff, but I don't know if that is a full dump (PHP code, database, attached files) which would allow us to restore the forum, or if it is just a collection of pages downloaded somehow. I'm not aware of any other archives than Hagar's one. If we end up getting a full dump, I can arrange space on a vm, so we can temporary load it to extract what we need. rgds jan I. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DOWNLOAD][PROPOSAL] How to download another version than offered in the green box?
Am 06/06/2014 08:54 AM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Marcus (OOo) wrote: sure both buttons should react independent of each other. I've fixed this. Regarding the styling, this is indeed really a question of taste. To see the difference maybe better, I've styled both buttons different. I like the style that I now see for the first button (full version): dark text on light background, that becomes light text on dark background at hovering. I can't see the same effect on the second button (I don't know if this is a bug or if it is what you mean with styled different): I see both buttons styled the same way (dark text on light background) when not hovering, then if I hover over the second nothing changes. yes, that was what I meant to see the difference. OK, it seems dark text on light background is the wished style. At least from Kay's and your feedback. I will not stress this topic any further as it seems difficult to reach the goal that at least a majority is happy. ;-) For the rest, really impressive improvements! Thanks. And let me add to this that the new analyze.html page is really nice too. Great. For now I'll leave this dev@ mailing list to report download problems. If it gets to many mails then we can re-think this. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Macro Security Button
Hi, On 05.06.2014 20:24, Steele, Raymond wrote: In reference to the following thread, is setting the -enable-category-b switch and re-compiling the only way to get the macro security button to work in OpenOffice? http://markmail.org/thread/etx2btp74xaazc3p configure option -enable-category-b activates the build of nss which is needed for security related stuff in AOO. Thus, you can use -enable-category-b to get the macro security stuff. I think you can also -enable-nss-module top get it work. Best regards, Oliver. Raymond - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
[INFRA] New monitoring system and status webpage
FYI https://blogs.apache.org/infra/entry/new_monitoring_system_nagios_is The Infra team has setup a new monitoring service called Circonus which is not really interesting for us. However, they also setup a new status webpage [1] to see the health of all servers. And this is indeed important for us as we see here and there some outages which can be verified on the status page. [1] http://status.apache.org/ Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
[DOWNLOAD] New download webpage
Hi all, http://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html As promized in a previous mail, I've now put the new webpage as default. If you find some errors please report them by mail or Bugzilla issue. If you think the design could be improved please make a (graphical) suggestion. I'll watch for errors and reports and will be available today and tomorrow for any short-term fixes. A big thank you to all who helped me with opinions suggestions. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DOWNLOAD] New download webpage
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Hi all, http://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html As promized in a previous mail, I've now put the new webpage as default. If you find some errors please report them by mail or Bugzilla issue. If you think the design could be improved please make a (graphical) suggestion. I'll watch for errors and reports and will be available today and tomorrow for any short-term fixes. A big thank you to all who helped me with opinions suggestions. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org I'm probably being stupid but I get empty drop down lists from which to select the OS, language and version. I tried with both FIrefox and IE. Francis
Re: [DOWNLOAD] New download webpage
Am 06/06/2014 08:12 PM, schrieb F C. Costero: On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: http://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html As promized in a previous mail, I've now put the new webpage as default. If you find some errors please report them by mail or Bugzilla issue. If you think the design could be improved please make a (graphical) suggestion. I'll watch for errors and reports and will be available today and tomorrow for any short-term fixes. A big thank you to all who helped me with opinions suggestions. I'm probably being stupid but I get empty drop down lists from which to select the OS, language and version. I tried with both FIrefox and IE. Please delete the browser cache. Or reload the webpage with pressed and hold [Shift] key (hopefully working also in browsers other than Firefox). Or restart it. HTH Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DOWNLOAD] New download webpage
The cache is why I tried IE because I very rarely use it and I didn't think I had used it at all since I rebuilt my hard drive a while ago. But indeed, clearing the cache fixed it. Sorry to bother you. Best regards, Francis On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 06/06/2014 08:12 PM, schrieb F C. Costero: On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: http://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html As promized in a previous mail, I've now put the new webpage as default. If you find some errors please report them by mail or Bugzilla issue. If you think the design could be improved please make a (graphical) suggestion. I'll watch for errors and reports and will be available today and tomorrow for any short-term fixes. A big thank you to all who helped me with opinions suggestions. I'm probably being stupid but I get empty drop down lists from which to select the OS, language and version. I tried with both FIrefox and IE. Please delete the browser cache. Or reload the webpage with pressed and hold [Shift] key (hopefully working also in browsers other than Firefox). Or restart it. HTH Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [INFRA] New monitoring system and status webpage
verified on the status page. [1] http://status.apache.org/ Where is forum and wiki? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [INFRA] New monitoring system and status webpage
On 6 June 2014 21:11, FR web forum ooofo...@free.fr wrote: verified on the status page. [1] http://status.apache.org/ Where is forum and wiki? not there, because there are no problems neither with the vms or the URLS. that page only shows where there are problems. rgds jan I. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
[RELEASE PLANNING] New release planning template in the Wiki
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Release+Planning+Template As promised some time ago I've now created a schedule plan for a new release. At first view it may look too detailed but IMHO exactly this is the advantage that nothing is forgotten and there is a kind of checklist public at a central place that everybody can find. Because it's a Wiki page everybody can correct or add things that were forgotten but important to know. Maybe obvious but please do not fill this plan but copy paste and create a new Release Planning AOO X.Y.Z wiki page when it is time for a new release. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Code snippets from oooforum in AOO website?
Le 06/06/2014 09:27, jan i a écrit : On 6 June 2014 09:01, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Not sure about this. Hagar wrote he has some stuff, but I don't know if that is a full dump (PHP code, database, attached files) which would allow us to restore the forum, or if it is just a collection of pages downloaded somehow. I'm not aware of any other archives than Hagar's one. If we end up getting a full dump, I can arrange space on a vm, so we can temporary load it to extract what we need. No idea but floris v is clearing the code linked to the phpBB features. Target is to have one page per topic. Hagar - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Code snippets from oooforum in AOO website?
On 06/06/2014 03:01 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: I just dropped Ed another email, this time I copied the four known email addresses that I have for him. I made an attempt at contacting him too, to confirm that the project would like to save the forum, or at least the current content. I pointed Ed to this thread. You have better connections than I have, so thanks for using them. Also, depending on your plans, do you have objections if the official Apache OpenOffice group mirrors the original content (they have a copy Not sure about this. Hagar wrote he has some stuff, but I don't know if that is a full dump (PHP code, database, attached files) which would allow us to restore the forum, or if it is just a collection of pages downloaded somehow. I'm not aware of any other archives than Hagar's one. I used httrack, which grabs the pages and nothing more. I assume that he probably did the same. I am just sad that I lost my copy :-( -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Code snippets from oooforum in AOO website?
On 06/06/2014 04:04 PM, Hagar Delest wrote: Le 06/06/2014 09:27, jan i a écrit : On 6 June 2014 09:01, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Not sure about this. Hagar wrote he has some stuff, but I don't know if that is a full dump (PHP code, database, attached files) which would allow us to restore the forum, or if it is just a collection of pages downloaded somehow. I'm not aware of any other archives than Hagar's one. If we end up getting a full dump, I can arrange space on a vm, so we can temporary load it to extract what we need. No idea but floris v is clearing the code linked to the phpBB features. Target is to have one page per topic. Hagar If you think that there is some way I can help, let me know. I am pretty good with PERL and have written numerous programs to troll large data stores cleaning files with complex internal structure. -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DOWNLOAD] New download webpage
On Jun 6, 2014 9:01 AM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Hi all, http://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html As promized in a previous mail, I've now put the new webpage as default. If you find some errors please report them by mail or Bugzilla issue. If you think the design could be improved please make a (graphical) suggestion. I'll watch for errors and reports and will be available today and tomorrow for any short-term fixes. A big thank you to all who helped me with opinions suggestions. Marcus All good for me! \o/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [CODE]: googletest is now available and can be used
On 02/06/2014 Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Maybe some volunteers have interest to adapt further existing unit tests, the idea is to migrate all existing tests from cppunit to gtest. ... [1] https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Googletest [2] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=125003 Why isn't this in a blog post? It is interesting, modern, suitable for new volunteers... it has everything to go there. I mean, of course we need to track this in Bugzilla and document it on the wiki, but neither of these two tools (or the dev list, for that matter) is effective for outreach. Nice things should be more visible. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: English dictionaries - beta - 20140601
On 05/06/2014 Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: (Moving discussion to dev@) Next month I will release another update and replace it for what is best. The publisher is optional in the description.xml, so you can omit it; or, if you want to keep the publisher for the link, put yourself or a fictional name as publisher. Indeed, Marco A.G.Pinto as publisher will be perfect, while the link to http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/english-dictionaries-apache-openoffice is of course correct and should be kept as it is. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: English dictionaries - beta - 20140601
Thanks, Andrea! :-) On 2014-07-01 I will update the dictionaries again and change that. 8-) Kind regards from your friend, Marco A.G.Pinto On 06/06/2014 23:25, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 05/06/2014 Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: (Moving discussion to dev@) Next month I will release another update and replace it for what is best. The publisher is optional in the description.xml, so you can omit it; or, if you want to keep the publisher for the link, put yourself or a fictional name as publisher. Indeed, Marco A.G.Pinto as publisher will be perfect, while the link to http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/english-dictionaries-apache-openoffice is of course correct and should be kept as it is. Regards, Andrea. --
Re: [Lazy Consensus] Webseitenänderung der 'Mailinglisten-Seite'
On 06.06.2014 12:10, Jörg Schmidt wrote: Hallo, wegen der anhaltenden Probleme/Diskusionen zur Moderation der dev-ML werde ich auf der Seite: http://www.openoffice.org/de/about-ooo/about-mailinglist.html Die Tabelle Interne Projektdiskussion der deutschsprachigen Community wie folgt ändern: Beschreibung: Die deutschsprachige Community betreibt eine Mailingliste zur internen Projektkommunikation, deren Archiv Sie hier[*] einsehen können. Diese Mailingliste dient nicht der Beantwortung von Anwenderfragen oder Fragen zum AOO-Projekt, bitte nutzen Sie dafür die vorstehend beschriebene Mailingliste users...@openoffice.apache.org. Einverstanden. Abonnieren: Sollten Sie als Nichtprojektmitglied Interesse haben diese, projektinterne, Liste zu abonnieren, wenden Sie sich bitte an joe...@apache.org. Archiv anschauen: mail-archives.apache.org[*] [*] Jeweils Links zu http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-dev-de/ Die Punkte Liste, Mail Schreiben, Abmelden werde ich ersatzlos streichen. Nicht einverstanden. Dies ändert den Charakter der Mailingliste wesentlich. Grund/Ziel? Ein Großteil der Probleme der dev-ML entsteht dadurch das sich Unberechtigte unbeabsichtigt fälschlich an diese Liste wenden statt an die users-Liste. Dies wird durch den obigen Zusatz, den ich unterstütze, klargestellt. Vorstehende Änderungen verringern diese Gefahr ohne Außenstehenden grundsätzlich die Möglichkeit zu versperren sich für die Liste anzumelden, wobei gleichzeitig für 'Insider' auch ohne Rückfrage klar ist wie sie die Liste direkt abonnieren können (denn die Listenadresse ist aus dem Archiv direkt erkennbar). Praktisch wird der Zugang vielen Außenstehenden versperrt. Es wird eine weitere Hürde zum Zugang zu dieser Mailingliste errichtet, die manche Menschen abschrecken dürfte. Es wird eine weitere Hürde zu dieser Mailingliste eingebaut, deren Notwendigkeit nicht einsichtig ist. Bisher war diese Mailingliste weder überbevölkert, noch durch übermäßigen Traffic gekennzeichnet. Viele Neulinge wird dies dann sehr umständliche Verfahren, das sich deutlich vom Zugang zu anderen ML unterscheidet, abweisend erscheinen und abschrecken. Unser Projekt ist keine gated community. Die angegebene Emailadresse (joe...@apache.org) ist meine Adresse, In der Tat! Es ist bezeichnend, dass Du diesen Vorschlag nicht zunächst im Kreise der Moderatoren (derer gibt es IMO drei) zur Diskussion gestellt hast. Daher sehe ich mich - zu meinem Bedauern - zum öffentlichen Widerspruch gezwungen. Gruß Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [Lazy Consensus] Webseitenänderung der 'Mailinglisten-Seite'
Am 06/06/2014 12:10 PM, schrieb Jörg Schmidt: Hallo, wegen der anhaltenden Probleme/Diskusionen zur Moderation der dev-ML werde ich auf der Seite: http://www.openoffice.org/de/about-ooo/about-mailinglist.html Die Tabelle Interne Projektdiskussion der deutschsprachigen Community wie folgt ändern: Beschreibung: Die deutschsprachige Community betreibt eine Mailingliste zur internen Projektkommunikation, deren Archiv Sie hier[*] einsehen können. Diese Mailingliste dient nicht der Beantwortung von Anwenderfragen oder Fragen zum AOO-Projekt, bitte nutzen Sie dafür die vorstehend beschriebene Mailingliste users...@openoffice.apache.org. Abonnieren: Sollten Sie als Nichtprojektmitglied Interesse haben diese, projektinterne, Liste zu abonnieren, wenden Sie sich bitte an joe...@apache.org. Archiv anschauen: mail-archives.apache.org[*] [*] Jeweils Links zu http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-dev-de/ Die Punkte Liste, Mail Schreiben, Abmelden werde ich ersatzlos streichen. Das wird nichts bringen, denn es funktioniert ja trotzdem, da die Liste technisch gesehen keine besondere ist. Ausserdem baut es nur eine unnötige Hürde auf für Interessierte, die mitlesen wollen und potenziell neue Mitstreiter. Grund/Ziel? Ein Großteil der Probleme der dev-ML entsteht dadurch das sich Unberechtigte unbeabsichtigt fälschlich an diese Liste wenden statt an die users-Liste. Vorstehende Änderungen verringern diese Gefahr ohne Außenstehenden grundsätzlich die Möglichkeit zu versperren sich für die Liste anzumelden, wobei gleichzeitig für 'Insider' auch ohne Rückfrage klar ist wie sie die Liste direkt abonnieren können (denn die Listenadresse ist aus dem Archiv direkt erkennbar). Die angegebene Emailadresse (joe...@apache.org) ist meine Adresse, ich werde dafür sorgen das bei Anfragen die Anfragenden entsprechende Informationen bekommen. Nunja, bislang hält sich der falsche Traffic sehr in Grenzen. In Grenzen, die wir IMHO durchaus verkraften können. Im Allgemeinen: Dein Vorschlag ist gut bis auf die Sache mit der Art und Weise wie auf die Liste zugegriffen wird. Derzeit sehe ich keine Notwendigkeit dafür es eizuschränken. Denn das eigentliche Problem ist ja nicht, dass neue Leute zweckfremde Sachen mailen, sondern das diese durchmoderiert werden. Es sei denn, die paar fremde Mails kamen alle von eingeschriebenen Postern, was ich aber nicht glaube. My 2ct. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-de-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-de-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Lazy Consensus] Webseitenänderung der 'Mailinglisten-Seite'
Am 06/06/2014 04:21 PM, schrieb Jörg Schmidt: From: Marcus (OOo) [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Die Punkte Liste, Mail Schreiben, Abmelden werde ich ersatzlos streichen. Das wird nichts bringen, Ich denke vielleicht doch, weil ich glaube das niemand der Insider abgehalten wird, hingegen diejenigen die sich _ungewollt_ falsch verhalten zum Teil schon. Bitte verstehe worum es geht, nämlich NICHT das Leute auf der dev-Liste Fragen zur Programmbedienung stellen weil sie das wirklich wollen, sondern sie tun das nur weil sie missverstehen wo ihre Frage hingehört. Wäre ihnen Letzteres klar würden sie selbst doch auch gleich auf der users-Liste posten. Ich kann es auch noch anders fokussieren: Es war allein mein Tun das ich die Info zur dev-Liste überhaupt auf die de-Webseite geschrieben habe, was ich nur getan habe weil mich Mathias indirekt danach fragte. Hätte ich es nicht getan, hätte es bis heute mit 99% Wahrscheinlichkeit noch niemand vermisst, jetzt jedoch werde ich von Michael dafür angegriffen Dinge auf der Webseite ändern zu wollen die überhaupt nicht existiert hätten wenn ich sie nicht selbst dort hingeschrieben hätte. denn es funktioniert ja trotzdem, da die Liste technisch gesehen keine besondere ist. richtig Ausserdem baut es nur eine unnötige Hürde auf für Interessierte, die mitlesen wollen und potenziell neue Mitstreiter. Das können wir gerne diskutieren, ich verweigere mich dem nicht. Im Allgemeinen: Dein Vorschlag ist gut bis auf die Sache mit der Art und Weise wie auf die Liste zugegriffen wird. Derzeit sehe ich keine Notwendigkeit dafür es eizuschränken. Denn das eigentliche Problem ist ja nicht, dass neue Leute zweckfremde Sachen mailen, sondern das diese durchmoderiert werden. EXAKT SO IST ES! Was aber tue ich bitteschön dagegen, wenn sich einer der Moderatoren strikt verweigert das endlich einzusehen? NUR SO solltest Du meinen Vorschlag verstehen, denn mein Gedanke war je weniger falsch platzierte Posts hier reinkommen desto weniger könnnen überhaupt falsch durchmoderiert werden Und ich wiederhole mich zum x-ten Male: Wenn wir jetzt eine getrennte dev-Liste haben dürfen wir doch nicht zulassen das durch Durchwinken aller Posts hier dieselbe Situation entsteht wie auf der users-Liste - das ist doch nun wirklich nur eine inhaltlich logische Forderung. Ein Hinweis auf der Webseite, was der Zweck dieser Liste ist und was nicht und was dann die Alternative ist -- +1 Das kannst Du gerne jetzt schon machen. Aber das löst nicht die wirkliche Ursache des Problems: Das Durchmoderieren zweckfremder Mails auf die dev-de@ Liste. @Michael: Bitte nicht falsch verstehen. Das geht nicht gegen Dich. Sondern - wie IMHO Du schon festgestellt hast - es fehlt an einem Agreement was hier hin soll und was nicht. Wenn wir uns über die Regeln im Klaren sind - aber bitte bloß kein großes und starres Regelwerk - dann sollte doch alles wieder gut sein. Und wenn dann doch mal 2-3 Mails im Monat auf die Liste kommen, die bei näherer Betrachtung eigentlich nicht hier hin gehören - nunja, das wird uns nicht umbringen. ;-) Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-de-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-de-h...@openoffice.apache.org
