Re: Open office
On 01/21/2015 08:44 PM, Allan Landers wrote: I have just installed open office ( full version ) What a great product, Thank you. Regards Allan Landers Sent from my iPad Thanks, Allan! We're happy you're happy! :) -- - MzK There's a bit of magic in everything, and some loss to even things out. -- Lou Reed - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Explaining Java (was RE: Java 32) - BASE Questions
On 01/22/2015 09:42 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Before improving the messages and taking another run at the Java explanation on the web site, I ran more tests to be certain I knew the circumstances for one of the messages that is tied to SQL Exceptions. One thing I noticed (which was useful for seeing how the different messages arise) is that the default embedded database produced by OpenOffice Base is HSQLDB, which is 100% Java-required. According to the HSQLDB site, there was collaboration on upgrading the version of HSQLDB, http://hsqldb.org/web/openoffice.html. That's from November 2011 though. I have three questions: 1. What happened with regard to the improvements with regard to the version of HSQLDB used? We're still using the base of hsqldb 1.8 with patches for use with java 7. See: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121754 There had been some additional discussion switching to hsql 2.3 but this has not been done. See : https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121837 2. What happened with regard to being able to make an HSQLDB for local use but external to the .ODB file? I don't recall a discussion like this. Can you provide a reference? 3. Is there any effort at any stage of development to use a local but non-Java-requiring database? Not that I'm aware of. We've had requests for other dbs like sqlite but these were not in-depth discussions of a replacement. At some point, we do need a more in-depth discussion about Base. Please feel free to start this if you like. This isn't going to matter with regard to immediately cleaning up the messages and the explanation on the web site. I'm just curious because Base is a place that might have some relatively isolatable maintenance work (or maybe not). I think you're right about this. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 10:39 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: Explaining Java (was RE: Java 32) I've started working over the six Java-specific messages that are produced by AOO and adjusting the localizable explanation at http://openoffice.org/xx/java. WEB SITE QUESTION: For page-specific images that I want to include under content/xx/java/, can I simply put them in that directory, since they are only used by the web page(s) there? I am thinking that will work perfectly for localization, because the localized versions of those folders can replace the images made from screen captures with equivalent ones made from the same-language UI. And for starters, copies of the xx/java/ images can continue to be used until localization-friendlier ones are supplied. Is this a good way to approach this? Is there different guidance with regard to images having such local context? - Dennis -Original Message- From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 07:28 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Explaining Java (was RE: Java 32) Am 12/30/2014 03:54 PM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton: [ ... ] orcmid I thought the idea was to create openoffice.org/java/index.htm and seed the xx structure from that. Have I misunderstood how that is usually done? /orcmid I think there was no agreemnt here. However, it's just a commit more when we all agree that this is the best place. Can be done later as the page was recently updated by Kay. So, now the several error messages need to be updated. orcmid Some of the error messages can be essentially unchanged because they happen when the JRE is installed or has been intentionally avoided. I will put up a suggested list when I am feeling better. /orcmid That would be great. I'm a bit lost to resolve which text part is combined with what and in which case. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- - MzK There's a bit of magic in everything, and some loss to even things out. -- Lou Reed - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
[CODE] keyboard shortcut definitions
Does anyone know where I can find information on where actual keyboard shortcut definitions -- the actual escape sequences -- are defined for use in OpenOffice. I found an old thread on where the menus are defined -- the *.xcu files -- but the not the actual ascii sequence assignments. -- - MzK There's a bit of magic in everything, and some loss to even things out. -- Lou Reed - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [CODE] keyboard shortcut definitions
I think Louis has found all of the keyboard actions and then some. -- replying below to -- From: Louis Suárez-Potts [mailto:lui...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 16:34 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [CODE] keyboard shortcut definitions Kay, On 22 Jan 2015, at 17:58, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know where I can find information on where actual keyboard shortcut definitions -- the actual escape sequences -- are defined for use in OpenOffice. I found an old thread on where the menus are defined -- the *.xcu files -- but the not the actual ascii sequence assignments. orcmid Well, they are not actually ASCII sequences except when the UI is working in some sort of terminal mode and programs are seeing some- think like what ncurses provides. I am not certain where you are looking for where key codes are Recognized or used in Apache OpenOffice. It would help to know. MORE INFORMATION (but maybe not helpful?) For the garden-variety ASCII keyboard of the sort that eventually became the standard on PCs and many comparable devices, the keyboard works a bit differently, with key codes and state codes delivered to the software and indications of when a key is going down and when it has release back up. Operating systems intervene, so how keyboard actions are delivered is very much up to the software drivers that translate what is happening at the keyboard to something the OS wants applications to see. The resulting binary codes might correspond to ASCII characters, but many keys and combinations do not. Whatever those patterns are by the time keyboard actions are delivered to an application, they are a bit more complex and have already been transformed. Looking at the second link provided by Louis, the Accelerators.xcu shows an interesting technique for naming the keys (explained in the table just ahead of the Accelerators.xcu listing). This copes with the modifiers (Shift, Ctrl/Cmd, and Alt) along with the namings Of ordinary keyboard keys given in the appendix, at least for most of a standard PC keyboard (although I see missing keys in the Appendix). I suspect there are integer codes for all of the defined Key Identifier strings. Not sure where defined though. Here's how it works on Windows, but AOO probably has some mapping that works across platforms: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd375731(v=vs.85).aspx and this is without adding modifiers to the virtual-key codes. /orcmid -- - MzK There's a bit of magic in everything, and some loss to even things out. -- Lou Reed Probably these data are out of date. If so, I'm sure that someone more up to date and with more current brain cells will supply the correct information. At any rate…. * https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/Config/Configuration_Management * https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Framework/Article/Accelerators_Configuration and my fave, https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Framework/Article/OpenOffice.org_3.x_Commands These are to a degree (I hope) somewhat superseded with the 4.x code. What I did—and I'm sure you did this better—is just enter a natural language search in the AOO wikis. I also briefly looked through my old files from earlier CVS and SVN checkouts. louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL
I just ran into a great little project, Kivy. I am not making a serious proposal about a GUI framework, although Kivy is interesting in that regard. What I find more appealing is the project organization and the quality of the documentation. The project repository is on GitHub, of course: https://github.com/kivy/kivy. To get some sense of it I looked into the doc/ folder there. First impression: All open-source documentation should be this good. Go here: http://kivy.org/docs/. Try out the architectural overview that is mentioned in the introduction. The next page on the events and properties has a juicy diagram too. I have no idea how or whether this is similar to VCL. I'm just admiring Kivy with no particular context in mind. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Louis Suárez-Potts [mailto:lui...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 11:54 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; Dennis E. Hamilton Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL [ ... ] orcmid I'm just using this to stay on the thread. /orcmid - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Explaining Java (was RE: Java 32) - BASE Questions
On 22/01/2015 Kay Schenk wrote: On 01/22/2015 09:42 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: 1. What happened with regard to the improvements with regard to the version of HSQLDB used? We're still using the base of hsqldb 1.8 with patches for use with java 7. See: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121754 To be precise, as you will read there, we are using an unmodified 1.8.0.11, but since it was not released as a tarball but just as a SVN tag, we actually use 1.8.0.10 and patch it with the few changes needed to align the code to 1.8.0.11. 3. Is there any effort at any stage of development to use a local but non-Java-requiring database? No. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [CODE] keyboard shortcut definitions
Kay, On 22 Jan 2015, at 17:58, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know where I can find information on where actual keyboard shortcut definitions -- the actual escape sequences -- are defined for use in OpenOffice. I found an old thread on where the menus are defined -- the *.xcu files -- but the not the actual ascii sequence assignments. -- - MzK There's a bit of magic in everything, and some loss to even things out. -- Lou Reed Probably these data are out of date. If so, I'm sure that someone more up to date and with more current brain cells will supply the correct information. At any rate…. * https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/Config/Configuration_Management * https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Framework/Article/Accelerators_Configuration and my fave, https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Framework/Article/OpenOffice.org_3.x_Commands These are to a degree (I hope) somewhat superseded with the 4.x code. What I did—and I'm sure you did this better—is just enter a natural language search in the AOO wikis. I also briefly looked through my old files from earlier CVS and SVN checkouts. louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Explaining Java (was RE: Java 32) - BASE Questions
Before improving the messages and taking another run at the Java explanation on the web site, I ran more tests to be certain I knew the circumstances for one of the messages that is tied to SQL Exceptions. One thing I noticed (which was useful for seeing how the different messages arise) is that the default embedded database produced by OpenOffice Base is HSQLDB, which is 100% Java-required. According to the HSQLDB site, there was collaboration on upgrading the version of HSQLDB, http://hsqldb.org/web/openoffice.html. That's from November 2011 though. I have three questions: 1. What happened with regard to the improvements with regard to the version of HSQLDB used? 2. What happened with regard to being able to make an HSQLDB for local use but external to the .ODB file? 3. Is there any effort at any stage of development to use a local but non-Java-requiring database? This isn't going to matter with regard to immediately cleaning up the messages and the explanation on the web site. I'm just curious because Base is a place that might have some relatively isolatable maintenance work (or maybe not). - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 10:39 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: Explaining Java (was RE: Java 32) I've started working over the six Java-specific messages that are produced by AOO and adjusting the localizable explanation at http://openoffice.org/xx/java. WEB SITE QUESTION: For page-specific images that I want to include under content/xx/java/, can I simply put them in that directory, since they are only used by the web page(s) there? I am thinking that will work perfectly for localization, because the localized versions of those folders can replace the images made from screen captures with equivalent ones made from the same-language UI. And for starters, copies of the xx/java/ images can continue to be used until localization-friendlier ones are supplied. Is this a good way to approach this? Is there different guidance with regard to images having such local context? - Dennis -Original Message- From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 07:28 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Explaining Java (was RE: Java 32) Am 12/30/2014 03:54 PM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton: [ ... ] orcmid I thought the idea was to create openoffice.org/java/index.htm and seed the xx structure from that. Have I misunderstood how that is usually done? /orcmid I think there was no agreemnt here. However, it's just a commit more when we all agree that this is the best place. Can be done later as the page was recently updated by Kay. So, now the several error messages need to be updated. orcmid Some of the error messages can be essentially unchanged because they happen when the JRE is installed or has been intentionally avoided. I will put up a suggested list when I am feeling better. /orcmid That would be great. I'm a bit lost to resolve which text part is combined with what and in which case. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
