Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Cwiki Planning pages...

[jan i]

On Tuesday, February 17, 2015, Kay Schenk  wrote:

> If there are no objections, I would like to remove the AOO 5.0 cwiki
> page entirely in the next day or so --
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+5.0
>
> And, we seem to have an older AOO4 Brainstorming page --
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+Brainstorming
>
> which I would like to demote (make a child page of...) to a broader main
> page called "AOO Future Planning".
>
> Basically I would like us to have an ongoing main "future planning" area
> with some specific topics that could be given more detail in child pages.
>
> if there are no objections, I'll put this in place this by Friday pm of
> this week.

+1

rgds
jan i

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Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Cwiki Planning pages...

[Keith N. McKenna]

Kay Schenk wrote:
> If there are no objections, I would like to remove the AOO 5.0 cwiki
> page entirely in the next day or so --
> 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+5.0
> 
> And, we seem to have an older AOO4 Brainstorming page --
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+Brainstorming
> 
> which I would like to demote (make a child page of...) to a broader main
> page called "AOO Future Planning".
> 
> Basically I would like us to have an ongoing main "future planning" area
> with some specific topics that could be given more detail in child pages.
> 
> if there are no objections, I'll put this in place this by Friday pm of
> this week.
> 
+1 from me Kay.

Keith



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Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Cwiki Planning pages...

[Marcus]

Am 02/17/2015 12:28 AM, schrieb Kay Schenk:

If there are no objections, I would like to remove the AOO 5.0 cwiki
page entirely in the next day or so --

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+5.0


+1, no concrete content since October.


And, we seem to have an older AOO4 Brainstorming page --
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+Brainstorming

which I would like to demote (make a child page of...) to a broader main
page called "AOO Future Planning".

Basically I would like us to have an ongoing main "future planning" area
with some specific topics that could be given more detail in child pages.


And with no version number in the main part to keep it general.


if there are no objections, I'll put this in place this by Friday pm of
this week.


Marcus


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[LAZY CONSENSUS] Cwiki Planning pages...

[Kay Schenk]

If there are no objections, I would like to remove the AOO 5.0 cwiki
page entirely in the next day or so --

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+5.0

And, we seem to have an older AOO4 Brainstorming page --
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+Brainstorming

which I would like to demote (make a child page of...) to a broader main
page called "AOO Future Planning".

Basically I would like us to have an ongoing main "future planning" area
with some specific topics that could be given more detail in child pages.

if there are no objections, I'll put this in place this by Friday pm of
this week.

-- 
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MzK

"An old horse for a long, hard road,
 a young pony for a quick ride."
 -- Texas Bix Bender

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Re: [PROPOSAL] move repo to Git.

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 16/02/2015 Kay Schenk wrote:

again, I have never used git and it might be the coolest thing ever


It does have a reputation for being cool. This is justified in many 
cases, less justified in others. I know some developers who refuse to 
work with SVN in principle; true, maybe they would be perfectly 
comfortable with git-svn or even with a recent version of SVN; but 
relying on SVN is a factor that may scare new developers away. That 
said, before moving we should ensure that those who work on the code are 
happy: new developers can perfectly use git already now to checkout the 
code and to submit patches.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Open Office Spell Check

[Keith N. McKenna]

We Burgart wrote:
> Please provide me with some assistance. I have had and used Open Office
> for a number of years. Yesterday on version 4.0.1 and the spell check
> all of a sudden stopped working!! I tried and tried to correct it. I
> went your very confusing support website to see if it could be
> corrected. After wasting a LOT of time going in circles, I decided to
> upload the latest and greatest version of Open Office 4.1.1. After doing
> the upgrade, the spell check STILL is not working!! So, please someone
> in this fine organization give me some direction as to how I can change
> this? Thank you for your prompt response to this issue.
> 
> We Burgart
> 

This is usually caused by corruption in the User Profile and can be
fixed by resetting the Profile. For details on doing this see the
following tutorial in the User Forum: Reset your user profile:
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=12426#p58403

Hope this helps
Keith



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RE: [PROPOSAL] move repo to Git.

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

 -- replying in-line to --
From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 10:01
To: OOo Apache
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] move repo to Git.

[ ... ]


I'm just curious  about these statements. Have potential new developers
remarked on this to you?
Since most IDEs support a variety of version control mechanisms, I'm
wondering how the suggestion to switch to git might have emerged. But,
again, I have never used git and it might be the coolest thing ever -- I
have NO idea! :)



   I think there are many developers who only use Git and clamor for the
   familiar.  There is also tool religion involved.

   It takes some brain rewiring to get your head around how git works for
   an user, but it becomes easy after that. 

   The plus is that every working copy has the entire history, not just
   the latest of things.  Synchronizing with a master is an interesting
   process, and handling branches is particularly easy if you are careful.
   Collisions are handled in an intriguing way too.

   It is easy to start a branch in a working copy for testing an idea
   and getting it working, then merging it back to the main branch 
   before synchronizing with an upstream master.  This doesn't clutter
   the upstream and if you are careful to keep pulling down any changes
   from upstream before merging your branch, it can go very nicely.

   I did a Microsoft Virtual Academy on-line class on Git support in
   Visual Studio.  That was a trip.



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Re: Bugzilla on mailing list

[jan i]

HI.

Remark those that follow bugzilla-admin, will have noticed that Infra has
identified a problem with BZ sending mail.

I assume it will be solved quickly.

rgds
jan I.


On 16 February 2015 at 20:56, Dennis E. Hamilton 
wrote:

> Do you mean that you do not receive a direct copy of the Bugzilla notice
> where you are the creator or on the CC list for an issue?
>
> I just submitted a Bugzilla comment.  I received two copies: the list copy
> and a direct copy on [Issue 126098].
>
> Perhaps there was a change that interferes with mail rules you are using?
>
>
>  - Dennis
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: FR web forum [mailto:ooofo...@free.fr]
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 02:02
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Bugzilla on mailing list
>
> Hello list,
>
> Since Bugzilla maintenance, I see notifications in issues@ mailing list.
> But I don't receive any e-mails.
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RE: Bugzilla on mailing list

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Do you mean that you do not receive a direct copy of the Bugzilla notice where 
you are the creator or on the CC list for an issue?

I just submitted a Bugzilla comment.  I received two copies: the list copy and 
a direct copy on [Issue 126098].

Perhaps there was a change that interferes with mail rules you are using?


 - Dennis


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Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 02:02
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Bugzilla on mailing list

Hello list,

Since Bugzilla maintenance, I see notifications in issues@ mailing list.
But I don't receive any e-mails.
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Open Office Spell Check

[We Burgart]

Please provide me with some assistance. I have had and used Open Office 
for a number of years. Yesterday on version 4.0.1 and the spell check 
all of a sudden stopped working!! I tried and tried to correct it. I 
went your very confusing support website to see if it could be 
corrected. After wasting a LOT of time going in circles, I decided to 
upload the latest and greatest version of Open Office 4.1.1. After doing 
the upgrade, the spell check STILL is not working!! So, please someone 
in this fine organization give me some direction as to how I can change 
this? Thank you for your prompt response to this issue.


We Burgart

RE: OOo4Kids & OOoLight Status

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

I recommend something more neutral such as Starter, Intermediate, and Full or 
some equivalent, so it is about the interface, not the user of it.  The default 
on an install could be Starter in the absence of an existing user configuration.

Should we consider having the skins simply be options on a single binary, 
especially since they should all be able to consume the same ODF files?  This 
should mean that the same localizations would work and be done once for a 
release.  The help system might be specialized based on the skin selection, but 
that is an isolatable provision.  There would also be no explosion in the 
builds and problems of users having to choose among them.

I am assuming there would be no dramatic difference in the "chrome" so the move 
among levels is not startling in terms of appearance, but more in availability 
of menus, sidebars, some dialogs, etc.

And, of course, this is yet one more interesting area where we would have to 
find developers that are equipped and available to work on something like this.

 - Dennis

THINKING OUT LOUD

[To help with interchange, the configuration file could be used to signal which 
level was used to produce a document, so that the consumer has some idea what 
might be needed to edit all of its features.  Having this be smooth in all 
directions takes some more thought.]

My limited sense of OOo4Kids is that it is not just the build of OpenOffice but 
the packaging of extensions and other aids that matters.  

The downside of a single distribution is that it does not become smaller than 
the current one.  I don't know if that matters for an OOo4Kids clone or not.

  OT: This is a problem that Microsoft Office has attempted to address in a 
variety of ways over the years.  The idea is not to confront new users and the 
very occasional users with a plethora of choices and complex menus.  One 
attempt involved progressive disclosure of additional options and choices based 
on what an *individual* user tended to use, so it was personalized and dynamic. 
 Like it or not, the ribbon was the replacement for all that.  One useful 
feature about the ribbon is that it can be collapsed and almost all of the 
application window used for the document being worked on.  The context 
(right-click) menu provides a variety of immediate actions depending on where 
the cursor is and the ribbon can be recalled when needed.  And there are 
substantial provisions for customization, including simple tuning by users who 
put features they use often on a quick-start bar next to the window title.  I 
put a sample screen capture about this at 
.



-Original Message-
From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org] 
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 01:26
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: OOo4Kids & OOoLight Status

On Monday, February 16, 2015, RA Stehmann 
wrote:

> On 15.02.2015 23:14, Guy Waterval wrote:
>
>
> >
> > You could reduce the number of options here. For instance OOoLight is not
> > necessary. The differences with OOo4Kids are too small.
> > Novice, Intermediate and Advanced (AOO without modifications) should be
> > enough (personal opinion).
> >
> IMO the brand (OOoLight) should be kept and a special skin, so adults
> need not to use a "kiddy" skin, if they want to use a lighter office suit.


In order to keep it (as AOO) we. need to know
- is the brand registred and eho has the current right to the brand
- can we as AOO provide resources to keep this alive

I think it is a good downstream project, but I do not currently see a
possibility to add this to the AOO project.

rgds
jan i

>
> But this may not be important.
>
> Regards
> Michael
>
>

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Re: [PROPOSAL] move repo to Git.

[Marcus]

Am 02/15/2015 02:19 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

So, from what I can understand, the GIT repository would only replace
these three directories:

http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/
(which would become the master branch)
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/branches/
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/tags/
(which would become GIT branches and tags respectively).

All the rest in http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ would stay
unchanged and continue to be managed through SVN, which means that this
has no impact on people who work on the site and on translators who
commit files.


OK, if so then I'm out of the game and fine with changing to Git.

Marcus


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Re: [PROPOSAL] move repo to Git.

[Kay Schenk]

On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 9:53 AM, jan i  wrote:

> On 13 February 2015 at 18:13, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 3:43 AM, jan i  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi.
> > >
> > > We have now for a while had a readonly Git copy of our svn repo.
> > >
> > > Should we move to a full git repo, making it easier for new developers
> to
> > > participate (although it is in no way a guarantee, that it will attract
> > new
> > > people) by lowering the barrier.
> > >
> > > For more documentation on Git at Apache see
> > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/
> > >
> > > Moving to a full git repo (see http://git.apache.org/), would mean
> > giving
> > > up our current SVN repo, but history etc. will be available in Git
> > instead.
> > >
> > > The choice is there, and it is just a matter of how people want to
> work.
> > >
> > > thoughts ?
> > >
> > > rgds
> > > jan I.
> > >
> >
> > I'm not sure I understand the comment about making things easier but then
> > I'm not a git user currently. I'm good with svn.
> > I know we have read only git right now.
> >
>
> I did not mean for you and me, and others who are used to svn...using GIT
> might make it just a little bit easier for new developers.
>
> I have no strong feelings for the one or other solution, I am simply seeing
> it as a possibility to lower the level required to help.
>
> rgds
> jan I.
>


I'm just curious  about these statements. Have potential new developers
remarked on this to you?
Since most IDEs support a variety of version control mechanisms, I'm
wondering how the suggestion to switch to git might have emerged. But,
again, I have never used git and it might be the coolest thing ever -- I
have NO idea! :)



>
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> >
> >
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> >
> > "An old horse for a long, hard road,
> >  a young pony for a quick ride."
> > -- Texas Bix Bender
> >
>



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Re: Bugzilla on mailing list

[Marcus]

Am 02/16/2015 11:02 AM, schrieb FR web forum:

Since Bugzilla maintenance, I see notifications in issues@ mailing list.
But I don't receive any e-mails.
Did you have same problem?


at least no longer, I get the issues mails as always and cannot see a 
delay or other problem.


Marcus


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Dictionaries US/CA

[Marco A.G.Pinto]

Hello!

Yesterday (2015-02-15) Kevin Atkinson released an update for US and CA.

I have been working on en_GB but so far I have only added around 300 new 
words this month, because I have been terribly busy.


I will try to add as many as possible before the official .OXT release 
on 2015-03-01.


:-P

The news: the next update will have newer US+CA+the usual monthly GB update.

We are heading in the right direction and, in a year or two, we will 
have the best open-source dictionaries... at least for GB since it has 
over 10 000 new words since I embraced the project...


I want people to write Masters/PhD thesis with AOO in a year from now... 
the trick is to use also the LanguageTool add-on for grammar checking (I 
am creating the Portuguese rules for it).


PS->I can't remember if I already mentioned this, but I bought an Oxford 
Gold Account in the beginning of the year to have access to all 
examples. I hope people will realize that this is a serious effort to 
develop the best en_GB around, soon better than commercial software.


:-) ;-) :-P :-D 8-)

Kind regards,
  >Marco A.G.Pinto
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Bugzilla on mailing list

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Re: OOo4Kids & OOoLight Status

[jan i]

On Monday, February 16, 2015, RA Stehmann 
wrote:

> On 15.02.2015 23:14, Guy Waterval wrote:
>
>
> >
> > You could reduce the number of options here. For instance OOoLight is not
> > necessary. The differences with OOo4Kids are too small.
> > Novice, Intermediate and Advanced (AOO without modifications) should be
> > enough (personal opinion).
> >
> IMO the brand (OOoLight) should be kept and a special skin, so adults
> need not to use a "kiddy" skin, if they want to use a lighter office suit.


In order to keep it (as AOO) we. need to know
- is the brand registred and eho has the current right to the brand
- can we as AOO provide resources to keep this alive

I think it is a good downstream project, but I do not currently see a
possibility to add this to the AOO project.

rgds
jan i

>
> But this may not be important.
>
> Regards
> Michael
>
>

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Re: OOo4Kids & OOoLight Status

[RA Stehmann]

On 15.02.2015 23:14, Guy Waterval wrote:


> 
> You could reduce the number of options here. For instance OOoLight is not
> necessary. The differences with OOo4Kids are too small.
> Novice, Intermediate and Advanced (AOO without modifications) should be
> enough (personal opinion).
> 
IMO the brand (OOoLight) should be kept and a special skin, so adults
need not to use a "kiddy" skin, if they want to use a lighter office suit.

But this may not be important.

Regards
Michael



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