Possible new Volunteer (was:Fwd: Re: I was told you guys don't often visit the forums and I still wanted to thank the developers)

[Peter Kovacs]

Hi all,

Steve here is volunteering to help. See below.
Can someone guide him further?

Also I am not sure about what the exact situation is on donations. What is the 
current situation here?

All the best
peter


 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Steve 
Gesendet: 12. Februar 2018 06:05:29 MEZ
An: Peter Kovacs 
Betreff: Re: I was told you guys don't often visit the forums and I still 
wanted to thank the developers

Hi Peter. Thanks for reaching out.  I definitely would like to see OpenOffice 
thrive.  I will try to help with documentation and reporting bugs/usability 
issues; I think this is really where you guys can have a big edge on 
LibreOffice as they seem fixated on chasing Microsoft instead of usability.   
Also, maybe I can donate some money. Is it possible to do this by check? 


> On Jan 25, 2018, at 12:09 AM, Peter Kovacs  wrote:
> 
> Hi Steve,
> 
> We are indeed a conservative Project. We want to ship a basic Office that you 
> as a user extend to your needs by using add-ons.
> Very similar to the idea Firefox uses.
> Despite this vision, openoffice is still a complex tool.
> 
> However we are also today a complete volunteer project. I like to ask if you 
> would consider to become involved.
> All that we do can be learned and not all project development that is needed 
> to be done has the required skill set of a programmer.
> We could also use people that do:
> User support
> Testing
> Documentation
> Translation
> 
> You need to bring following traits that are reqired:
> Openness, respect,  courage to the project. If you can add determination and 
> initiative that would be super cool. And sometimes patience is required.
> 
> What do you say?
> 
> Am 25. Januar 2018 03:48:59 MEZ schrieb Steve :
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you and CONGRATULATIONS!!
>> 
>> by
>> tanstaaf1
>> 
>> » Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:27 pm
>> 
>> I've just come back to Open Office after a multi-year fling with
>> LibreOffice. The arc of my document application history is basically
>> Wordstar/Lotus->MSOffice->OO->LIbre ... and now, I think, back to OO.
>> 
>> What brought me back and what have I noticed and what would I like your
>> developers/steering committee to keep in mind? Libre has, for me, gone
>> off the deep end in gratuitous feature creep and senselessly increasing
>> user interface complexity. Specifically? I was unable to reformat and
>> properly print text I had copied and pasted in; I was unable to find
>> what were once-upon-a-time pretty simple commands to see text
>> formatting and change it; I was unable to use the help system to find
>> help; I was unable to create an account on their website in a
>> reasonable period of time to even ask for help.
>> 
>> And it occurred to me -- after several hours of this roundabout with no
>> progress being made toward a really simple thing -- that I might take
>> another look at OpenOffice. And what I found was: OO installed much
>> more quickly and easily than recent LO updates; OO opened to a MUCH
>> simpler user interface; IN OO MY FORMATTING PROBLEM WENT AWAY!   And I
>> decided to post a thank you to the OO community and found how much
>> simpler it was to create an account and post my comment here! Your
>> software JUST WORKS.
>> 
>> My suggestion to the OO developers is to adopt as a motto something
>> Einstein supposedly said: "A scientific theory should be as simple as
>> possible, but no simpler.” Now, in this case we are talking software,
>> but I think this quote still is relevant.  Know the needs of your
>> target market and stop trying to add extra “features” that few people
>> in the key demographic actually value.
>> 
>> Lately it seems I'm living in an increasingly nightmarish dystopia.
>> With software this is especially the case.   Further, I suspect
>> spreading software complexity is driving most of the cancerous spread
>> of complexity and bugs into the bigger world. Remember the ORIGINAL
>> Mac? Remember how you could just sit down and click with a mouse and
>> pretty much figure out how to use everything in a reasonable period of
>> time? What happened?
>> 
>> Anyway, I thank the developers of Apache OpenOffice for allowing me to
>> just get my work done this morning. Thanks for keeping the user
>> interface SIMPLE and fast. Thanks for just working!
>> 
>> KISS!
>> Open Office 4.1.5 MacOS 10.12.4



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Re: [proposal] going Agile

[Peter Kovacs]

How can I build only core package?
I am only aware to build everything, or a certain range of modules, or I can 
build explicit one module.

I do not want to take away the ability to build all in one step.
But I think if you are only rebuilding core it saves you a lot of time. And if 
you can check  if there is an effect beyond package boarders, it helps you to 
avoid the issues that had happened in 4.1.5.
Just thinking. I said I am sorry was to hasty in this.

Am 10. Februar 2018 14:46:01 MEZ schrieb Patricia Shanahan :
>
>> On Feb 9, 2018, at 20:05, Peter Kovacs  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 09.02.2018 01:19, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>>> On February 8, 2018, at 5:51 AM, Peter Kovacs 
>wrote:
>>> 
>>> # Devide the Project into different selfcontained parts. so we have
>>> smaller chunks to swallow. (Maybe we should consider breaking the
>>> compile Process into individual compile steps by package just to
>reduce
>>> Complexity.)
>>> How would this be different from what we have now? The code is
>already divided into modules, and the build process builds each to get
>the packages.
>> I wrote hasty. I do not know for sure since to me the build system is
>a big huge black box.
>> I want more transperency, better control over the code.
>> I think if we hard split the build and only build each package on
>their own we will gain a better view on the code. But I could be wrong.
>> At least I would like to have the option.
>
>You already have the option. I am not sure it would help. 
>
>I am a bit worried be “At least”. Any change that breaks build
>automation would be impractical for me. I need to issue a single
>command, go do none AOO activities, and have my new build ready to test
>when I get back.
>
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Re: 4.2.0 minor errors

[Mechtilde]

Hello,

this message commes also when you install via dpkg -i.

If you install openoffice-core01*.deb again, it works.

As dpkg as apt use the same internal database whera all installed files
are saved.

Every time a file comes in anothere package now this message appears.

Regards

Mechtilde

Am 11.02.2018 um 23:05 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
> On 11/02/2018 Pedro Lino wrote:
>> dpkg: error processing archive openoffice-core01_4.2.0-1_amd64.deb
>> (--install):
>> trying to overwrite '/opt/openoffice4/program/gconfbe1.uno.so', which
>> is also in package openoffice-gnome-integration 4.1.5-1
>> Errors were encountered while processing:
>> openoffice-core01_4.2.0-1_amd64.deb
> 
> What command line are you using? Are you installing all packages
> altogether? I mean, I would expect that all files in /opt/openoffice4/
> are overwritten by files from the newer packages, and this is just
> normal; but in your case it looks like there is a mismatch between the
> old "owner" of that file (package openoffice-gnome-integration) and the
> new candidate owner (openoffice-core01).
> 
> Assuming you are upgrading multiple deb packages with the same
> command-line, what happens if you add openoffice-gnome-integration (from
> the proper directory) to it?
> 
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
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Re: 4.2.0 minor errors

[Pedro Lino]

> What command line are you using? Are you installing all packages 
> altogether? I mean, I would expect that all files in /opt/openoffice4/ 
> are overwritten by files from the newer packages, and this is just 
> normal; but in your case it looks like there is a mismatch between the 
> old "owner" of that file (package openoffice-gnome-integration) and the 
> new candidate owner (openoffice-core01).

I use
sudo dpkg -i *.deb
cd desktop-integration
sudo dpkg -i *.deb
 
> Assuming you are upgrading multiple deb packages with the same 
> command-line, what happens if you add openoffice-gnome-integration (from 
> the proper directory) to it?

It works without errors but then I can't execute any of the AOO links in the 
Gnome Applications/Office menu

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Re: 4.2.0 minor errors

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 11/02/2018 Pedro Lino wrote:

dpkg: error processing archive openoffice-core01_4.2.0-1_amd64.deb (--install):
trying to overwrite '/opt/openoffice4/program/gconfbe1.uno.so', which is also 
in package openoffice-gnome-integration 4.1.5-1
Errors were encountered while processing:
openoffice-core01_4.2.0-1_amd64.deb


What command line are you using? Are you installing all packages 
altogether? I mean, I would expect that all files in /opt/openoffice4/ 
are overwritten by files from the newer packages, and this is just 
normal; but in your case it looks like there is a mismatch between the 
old "owner" of that file (package openoffice-gnome-integration) and the 
new candidate owner (openoffice-core01).


Assuming you are upgrading multiple deb packages with the same 
command-line, what happens if you add openoffice-gnome-integration (from 
the proper directory) to it?


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: 4.2.0 minor errors

[Pedro Lino]

I'm not sure if this is related but the last version that updates correctly 
from 4.1.5 is r1816311 from Jim's archive

All newer versions return

dpkg: error processing archive openoffice-core01_4.2.0-1_amd64.deb (--install):
trying to overwrite '/opt/openoffice4/program/gconfbe1.uno.so', which is also 
in package openoffice-gnome-integration 4.1.5-1

Errors were encountered while processing:
openoffice-core01_4.2.0-1_amd64.deb

Hope this helps.

> On February 11, 2018 at 4:28 PM Matthias Seidel wrote:
> 
> 
> Am 09.02.2018 um 13:48 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
> 
> > > Can you try the versions from:
> > 
> > o http://people.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/AOO-4.2.0-dev-r1823225/
> > 
> > > I have still the same problem with this build.
> 
> Matthias
> 
> >
> 
> > > Thx!
> > 
> > > > > On Feb 9, 2018, at 4:24 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
> > > 
> > > When I use 4.2.0, running on Xubuntu 16.04.03, to open an 
> > > existing .odt file I get a small popup that informs me of "general 
> > > error". The file then opens correctly; starting 4.2.0 in a terminal gives 
> > > no diagnostic. Opening Writer from the start centre there is no such 
> > > error message; I can generate a test document, but when I save, again I 
> > > get an error "Error saving the document Tom: General Error". However the 
> > > file Tom.odt is actually saved (in spite of the error message), and will 
> > > reopen giving the above "general error" message,
> > > 
> > > Opening an existing simple spreadsheet - a short list of 
> > > description and amount - I get a Yellow exclamation mark and "Not all 
> > > attributes could be read"; on dismissing this, the sheet opens correctly.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --
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Re: 4.2.0 minor errors

[Matthias Seidel]

Am 09.02.2018 um 13:48 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
> Can you try the versions from:
>
> o http://people.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/AOO-4.2.0-dev-r1823225/ 
> 

I have still the same problem with this build.

Matthias

>
> Thx!
>
>> On Feb 9, 2018, at 4:24 AM, Rory O'Farrell  wrote:
>>
>> When I use 4.2.0, running on Xubuntu 16.04.03, to open an existing .odt file 
>> I get a small popup that informs me of "general error".  The file then opens 
>> correctly; starting 4.2.0 in a terminal gives no diagnostic.  Opening Writer 
>> from the start centre there is no such error message; I can generate a test 
>> document, but when I save, again I get an error "Error saving the document 
>> Tom: General Error".  However the file Tom.odt is actually saved (in spite 
>> of the error message), and will reopen giving the above "general error" 
>> message,
>>
>> Opening an existing simple spreadsheet - a short list of description and 
>> amount - I get a Yellow exclamation mark and "Not all attributes could be 
>> read"; on dismissing this, the sheet opens correctly.
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Rory O'Farrell 
>>
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