Re: Official survey service? (Was: Re: Conversation: Pick A Logo)
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 19/04/2013 Rob Weir wrote: Using a non-openoffice.org site is a non-issue. We've gathered user opinions on Google Moderator and Facebook, without problems. Other groups in the ASF have used Google Docs-based surveys. No one has ever raised concerns about using 3rd party services for this. The difference here is that we shouldn't encourage the use of domains like openofficesomething.com for our community initiatives. We have the right to use *.openoffice.org, and we should just use it. Nothing else. Uh. Interesting idea. That's why I proposed that over a month ago: http://markmail.org/message/gpgvnbdxw2vyhiro But my preference was to figure out the technology a but more and move to the subdomain once we were ready for a broader survey. I did not anticipate that after ignoring surveys for over a year that there would be such sudden impatience to do this. Well I don't exactly see sudden impatience but we (perhaps that we is you Rob) should wait with contacting infra until we are more comfortable with LimeSurvey. Like all services, it will require specs and ongoing attention. I think we should all be relatively happy with the attention the logo survey has gotten, however. In any case, will you next deal with our OpenGrok and Test link instances, which are at Adfinis domains, and of course our downloads which are at sourceforge.org addresses? -Rob Regards, Andrea. --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- MzK There's no upside in screwing with things you can't explain. -- Captain Roy Montgomery, Castle
Re: Official survey service? (Was: Re: Conversation: Pick A Logo)
Rob Weir wrote: In any case, will you next deal with our OpenGrok and Test link instances, which are at Adfinis domains Why not? It would make sense to recognize them as important community services and point opengrok.openoffice.org and testlink.openoffice.org to them. and of course our downloads which are at sourceforge.org addresses? All the relevant HTML pages are already under openoffice.org; only the final bits are served from non-openoffice.org servers, but we are never advertising non-openoffice.org links for downloads, so no issue here. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Official survey service? (Was: Re: Conversation: Pick A Logo)
On Apr 21, 2013 3:26 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Rob Weir wrote: In any case, will you next deal with our OpenGrok and Test link instances, which are at Adfinis domains Why not? It would make sense to recognize them as important community services and point opengrok.openoffice.org and testlink.openoffice.org to them. +1 it is no big issue to make. However I see a big difference, these links will only be used by someone who develop/test AOO and not end-users. I think it is fair to expect that volunteers/committers does not get confused. @rob: Thx for completing the setup of survey.o.o and of course our downloads which are at sourceforge.org addresses? we could make download.openoffice.org but since we already have download links I would not do that. All the relevant HTML pages are already under openoffice.org; only the final bits are served from non-openoffice.org servers, but we are never advertising non-openoffice.org links for downloads, so no issue here. This is to me THE most important issue.we only advertise .openoffice.org. There are enough other packages out there who play with words. The newest I found was a package text formerly openoffice as if we are dead or taken over. rgds jan i Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Official survey service? (Was: Re: Conversation: Pick A Logo)
On Apr 19, 2013, at 5:37 AM, janI wrote: On 19 April 2013 13:48, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 7:39 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On 19 April 2013 13:29, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 7:20 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On 18 April 2013 21:58, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: janI wrote: On 18 April 2013 13:13, Rob Weir wrote: If we want I can put a poll up on http://openofficesurvey.org. Where would like survey.openoffice.org to point to ? Indeed, let's avoid using unofficial domains when we can redirect an official subdomain. Redirecting the DNS won't pose a big burden on Infra and just requires (lazy) consensus here. Regards, Andrea. 23 hours, not bad for month-long wrestling match with Infra to get something like this set up !!! The patch I made for dns is up and running. you can open survey.openoffice.org. BUT something is not working in the other end, reply comes from hostmonster, with a possibilities to buy cars erc. The DNS stuff had to happen first, and only then I can get it working on my end. and yes I am a direct person, I like to tell people when they do something good and visa versa, but I dont like assuming ill behaivourbut that is just my way, and I am sorry if my direct way offended someonebut look infra got their part done, without wrestling. I'm not assuming bad behavior. I was just stating that I don't have the time to guess whether this is an occasion where we get a fast response or a slow one. The response time from Infra, IMHO, is entirely unpredictable. I have another DNS-related Infra request that are no more complicated and have waited almost a year. It looks like we were fortunate this time. or we have a better connection now :-) think about the other infra things that have happened lately (wiki, new translate, proxy setup), the ones I know off have all had resonable response time I was not trying to shoot at you, I just have another impression of infra...but of course, I am not neutral. Our need to pick a logo design is very predictable and the time line for that must go forward. So I was happy to move forward with this either way. If I can avoid a dependency on Infra that is a good thing, not a bad one. completely correct, but if the price is to have a non openoffice.orgsite, it is at least a high price to pay. Using a non-openoffice.org site is a non-issue. We've gathered user opinions on Google Moderator and Facebook, without problems. Other groups in the ASF have used Google Docs-based surveys. No one has ever raised concerns about using 3rd party services for this. This is not a high price to pay. In any case, my practice remains -- and I'm sure most in Infra would agree with me here -- if you can do something without having a dependency on Apache Infra it is a good thing. Let them focus on things that only they can do. Self-service is a good thing. No problem, everybody is entitled to have their opinion...I just try to help. You wrote earlier I have another DNS-related Infra request that are no more complicated and have waited almost a year I had a look in jira to find the issue, to see if I could solve it, but I cannot find any open issues with you as requestor, and when I search for DNS there are no really old issues. If you give me the jira number I will have a look at it, and maybe ask why it has waited so long. Exactly. There are five unordered principles to dealing with infrastructure. (1) Politeness. (2) Patience. (3) Persistence. (4) Be Willing to Help. The more you help, the more you understand, the more you can help, ... several project committers have done this. (5) Put the request in JIRA. Infra looks there when they have cycles. Regards, Dave rgds Jan I. -Rob @rob: can you please have a look at your end, you need problaly to add it as a vhost. Yes. I am not sure what the survey actually is, some kind of py/perl/js, I can get an idea, I can think about how we can move it to our own site. It is a PHP app, LimeSurvey. Pre-reqs are listed here: http://manual.limesurvey.org/wiki/Installation#1._Make_sure_you_can_use_LimeSurvey_on_your_website thx for the link, I will have a look at it. rgds jan I. Regards, -Rob rgds Jan I. --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Official survey service? (Was: Re: Conversation: Pick A Logo)
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 7:20 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On 18 April 2013 21:58, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: janI wrote: On 18 April 2013 13:13, Rob Weir wrote: If we want I can put a poll up on http://openofficesurvey.org. Where would like survey.openoffice.org to point to ? Indeed, let's avoid using unofficial domains when we can redirect an official subdomain. Redirecting the DNS won't pose a big burden on Infra and just requires (lazy) consensus here. Regards, Andrea. 23 hours, not bad for month-long wrestling match with Infra to get something like this set up !!! The patch I made for dns is up and running. you can open survey.openoffice.org. BUT something is not working in the other end, reply comes from hostmonster, with a possibilities to buy cars erc. The DNS stuff had to happen first, and only then I can get it working on my end. and yes I am a direct person, I like to tell people when they do something good and visa versa, but I dont like assuming ill behaivourbut that is just my way, and I am sorry if my direct way offended someonebut look infra got their part done, without wrestling. I'm not assuming bad behavior. I was just stating that I don't have the time to guess whether this is an occasion where we get a fast response or a slow one. The response time from Infra, IMHO, is entirely unpredictable. I have another DNS-related Infra request that are no more complicated and have waited almost a year. It looks like we were fortunate this time. Our need to pick a logo design is very predictable and the time line for that must go forward. So I was happy to move forward with this either way. If I can avoid a dependency on Infra that is a good thing, not a bad one. @rob: can you please have a look at your end, you need problaly to add it as a vhost. Yes. I am not sure what the survey actually is, some kind of py/perl/js, I can get an idea, I can think about how we can move it to our own site. It is a PHP app, LimeSurvey. Pre-reqs are listed here: http://manual.limesurvey.org/wiki/Installation#1._Make_sure_you_can_use_LimeSurvey_on_your_website Regards, -Rob rgds Jan I. --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Official survey service? (Was: Re: Conversation: Pick A Logo)
On 19 April 2013 13:29, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 7:20 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On 18 April 2013 21:58, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: janI wrote: On 18 April 2013 13:13, Rob Weir wrote: If we want I can put a poll up on http://openofficesurvey.org. Where would like survey.openoffice.org to point to ? Indeed, let's avoid using unofficial domains when we can redirect an official subdomain. Redirecting the DNS won't pose a big burden on Infra and just requires (lazy) consensus here. Regards, Andrea. 23 hours, not bad for month-long wrestling match with Infra to get something like this set up !!! The patch I made for dns is up and running. you can open survey.openoffice.org. BUT something is not working in the other end, reply comes from hostmonster, with a possibilities to buy cars erc. The DNS stuff had to happen first, and only then I can get it working on my end. and yes I am a direct person, I like to tell people when they do something good and visa versa, but I dont like assuming ill behaivourbut that is just my way, and I am sorry if my direct way offended someonebut look infra got their part done, without wrestling. I'm not assuming bad behavior. I was just stating that I don't have the time to guess whether this is an occasion where we get a fast response or a slow one. The response time from Infra, IMHO, is entirely unpredictable. I have another DNS-related Infra request that are no more complicated and have waited almost a year. It looks like we were fortunate this time. or we have a better connection now :-) think about the other infra things that have happened lately (wiki, new translate, proxy setup), the ones I know off have all had resonable response time I was not trying to shoot at you, I just have another impression of infra...but of course, I am not neutral. Our need to pick a logo design is very predictable and the time line for that must go forward. So I was happy to move forward with this either way. If I can avoid a dependency on Infra that is a good thing, not a bad one. completely correct, but if the price is to have a non openoffice.org site, it is at least a high price to pay. @rob: can you please have a look at your end, you need problaly to add it as a vhost. Yes. I am not sure what the survey actually is, some kind of py/perl/js, I can get an idea, I can think about how we can move it to our own site. It is a PHP app, LimeSurvey. Pre-reqs are listed here: http://manual.limesurvey.org/wiki/Installation#1._Make_sure_you_can_use_LimeSurvey_on_your_website thx for the link, I will have a look at it. rgds jan I. Regards, -Rob rgds Jan I. --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Official survey service? (Was: Re: Conversation: Pick A Logo)
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 7:39 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On 19 April 2013 13:29, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 7:20 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On 18 April 2013 21:58, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: janI wrote: On 18 April 2013 13:13, Rob Weir wrote: If we want I can put a poll up on http://openofficesurvey.org. Where would like survey.openoffice.org to point to ? Indeed, let's avoid using unofficial domains when we can redirect an official subdomain. Redirecting the DNS won't pose a big burden on Infra and just requires (lazy) consensus here. Regards, Andrea. 23 hours, not bad for month-long wrestling match with Infra to get something like this set up !!! The patch I made for dns is up and running. you can open survey.openoffice.org. BUT something is not working in the other end, reply comes from hostmonster, with a possibilities to buy cars erc. The DNS stuff had to happen first, and only then I can get it working on my end. and yes I am a direct person, I like to tell people when they do something good and visa versa, but I dont like assuming ill behaivourbut that is just my way, and I am sorry if my direct way offended someonebut look infra got their part done, without wrestling. I'm not assuming bad behavior. I was just stating that I don't have the time to guess whether this is an occasion where we get a fast response or a slow one. The response time from Infra, IMHO, is entirely unpredictable. I have another DNS-related Infra request that are no more complicated and have waited almost a year. It looks like we were fortunate this time. or we have a better connection now :-) think about the other infra things that have happened lately (wiki, new translate, proxy setup), the ones I know off have all had resonable response time I was not trying to shoot at you, I just have another impression of infra...but of course, I am not neutral. Our need to pick a logo design is very predictable and the time line for that must go forward. So I was happy to move forward with this either way. If I can avoid a dependency on Infra that is a good thing, not a bad one. completely correct, but if the price is to have a non openoffice.org site, it is at least a high price to pay. Using a non-openoffice.org site is a non-issue. We've gathered user opinions on Google Moderator and Facebook, without problems. Other groups in the ASF have used Google Docs-based surveys. No one has ever raised concerns about using 3rd party services for this. This is not a high price to pay. In any case, my practice remains -- and I'm sure most in Infra would agree with me here -- if you can do something without having a dependency on Apache Infra it is a good thing. Let them focus on things that only they can do. Self-service is a good thing. -Rob @rob: can you please have a look at your end, you need problaly to add it as a vhost. Yes. I am not sure what the survey actually is, some kind of py/perl/js, I can get an idea, I can think about how we can move it to our own site. It is a PHP app, LimeSurvey. Pre-reqs are listed here: http://manual.limesurvey.org/wiki/Installation#1._Make_sure_you_can_use_LimeSurvey_on_your_website thx for the link, I will have a look at it. rgds jan I. Regards, -Rob rgds Jan I. --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Official survey service? (Was: Re: Conversation: Pick A Logo)
On 19 April 2013 13:48, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 7:39 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On 19 April 2013 13:29, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 7:20 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On 18 April 2013 21:58, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: janI wrote: On 18 April 2013 13:13, Rob Weir wrote: If we want I can put a poll up on http://openofficesurvey.org. Where would like survey.openoffice.org to point to ? Indeed, let's avoid using unofficial domains when we can redirect an official subdomain. Redirecting the DNS won't pose a big burden on Infra and just requires (lazy) consensus here. Regards, Andrea. 23 hours, not bad for month-long wrestling match with Infra to get something like this set up !!! The patch I made for dns is up and running. you can open survey.openoffice.org. BUT something is not working in the other end, reply comes from hostmonster, with a possibilities to buy cars erc. The DNS stuff had to happen first, and only then I can get it working on my end. and yes I am a direct person, I like to tell people when they do something good and visa versa, but I dont like assuming ill behaivourbut that is just my way, and I am sorry if my direct way offended someonebut look infra got their part done, without wrestling. I'm not assuming bad behavior. I was just stating that I don't have the time to guess whether this is an occasion where we get a fast response or a slow one. The response time from Infra, IMHO, is entirely unpredictable. I have another DNS-related Infra request that are no more complicated and have waited almost a year. It looks like we were fortunate this time. or we have a better connection now :-) think about the other infra things that have happened lately (wiki, new translate, proxy setup), the ones I know off have all had resonable response time I was not trying to shoot at you, I just have another impression of infra...but of course, I am not neutral. Our need to pick a logo design is very predictable and the time line for that must go forward. So I was happy to move forward with this either way. If I can avoid a dependency on Infra that is a good thing, not a bad one. completely correct, but if the price is to have a non openoffice.orgsite, it is at least a high price to pay. Using a non-openoffice.org site is a non-issue. We've gathered user opinions on Google Moderator and Facebook, without problems. Other groups in the ASF have used Google Docs-based surveys. No one has ever raised concerns about using 3rd party services for this. This is not a high price to pay. In any case, my practice remains -- and I'm sure most in Infra would agree with me here -- if you can do something without having a dependency on Apache Infra it is a good thing. Let them focus on things that only they can do. Self-service is a good thing. No problem, everybody is entitled to have their opinion...I just try to help. You wrote earlier I have another DNS-related Infra request that are no more complicated and have waited almost a year I had a look in jira to find the issue, to see if I could solve it, but I cannot find any open issues with you as requestor, and when I search for DNS there are no really old issues. If you give me the jira number I will have a look at it, and maybe ask why it has waited so long. rgds Jan I. -Rob @rob: can you please have a look at your end, you need problaly to add it as a vhost. Yes. I am not sure what the survey actually is, some kind of py/perl/js, I can get an idea, I can think about how we can move it to our own site. It is a PHP app, LimeSurvey. Pre-reqs are listed here: http://manual.limesurvey.org/wiki/Installation#1._Make_sure_you_can_use_LimeSurvey_on_your_website thx for the link, I will have a look at it. rgds jan I. Regards, -Rob rgds Jan I. --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Official survey service? (Was: Re: Conversation: Pick A Logo)
Hi Em 17/04/2013 21:08, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org escreveu: If we want I can put a poll up on http://openofficesurvey.org. Rob, isn't better use this service in side of our domain? Some thing like survey.OpenOffice.org? My two cents... ;-) Best regards Claudio
Re: Official survey service? (Was: Re: Conversation: Pick A Logo)
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 7:05 AM, Claudio Filho filh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Em 17/04/2013 21:08, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org escreveu: If we want I can put a poll up on http://openofficesurvey.org. Rob, isn't better use this service in side of our domain? Some thing like survey.OpenOffice.org? My two cents... ;-) No objections is someone wants to have a month-long wrestling match with Infra to get something like this set up. But I was able to get it set up on my server in 30 minutes, including buying the domain from GoDaddy for $7.00. -Rob Best regards Claudio
Re: Official survey service? (Was: Re: Conversation: Pick A Logo)
On 18 April 2013 13:13, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 7:05 AM, Claudio Filho filh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Em 17/04/2013 21:08, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org escreveu: If we want I can put a poll up on http://openofficesurvey.org. Rob, isn't better use this service in side of our domain? Some thing like survey.OpenOffice.org? My two cents... ;-) No objections is someone wants to have a month-long wrestling match with Infra to get something like this set up. But I was able to get it set up on my server in 30 minutes, including buying the domain from GoDaddy for $7.00. Infra is not always that bad, they work hard, but if one asks nicely things normally get done quickly. The new translate-vm2 was up and running 24hours after I asked for it. Where would like survey.openoffice.org to point to ? rgds Jan I. -Rob Best regards Claudio
Re: Official survey service? (Was: Re: Conversation: Pick A Logo)
Hi 2013/4/18, janI j...@apache.org: On 18 April 2013 13:13, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: No objections is someone wants to have a month-long wrestling match with Infra to get something like this set up. But I was able to get it set up on my server in 30 minutes, including buying the domain from GoDaddy for $7.00. My thinking is about the use of pseudodomains using the name of OpenOffice. Sure that we know who works in the project and who are the people, but (IMHO) is important join all services under the same domain. Infra is not always that bad, they work hard, but if one asks nicely things normally get done quickly. The new translate-vm2 was up and running 24hours after I asked for it. Some times, they have a hard lot of work that gives for us this impression. As I already have helped in the infra of BrOffice, I know how hard is them work, but one time that the home is clean is more easy (and responsive) they work/reply for our requests. Where would like survey.openoffice.org to point to ? Direct to point, Janl. ;-) We can redirect the domain to your server, Rob, and after to migrate to Apache servers when possible. Bests, Claudio - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Official survey service? (Was: Re: Conversation: Pick A Logo)
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Claudio Filho filh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi 2013/4/18, janI j...@apache.org: On 18 April 2013 13:13, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: No objections is someone wants to have a month-long wrestling match with Infra to get something like this set up. But I was able to get it set up on my server in 30 minutes, including buying the domain from GoDaddy for $7.00. My thinking is about the use of pseudodomains using the name of OpenOffice. Sure that we know who works in the project and who are the people, but (IMHO) is important join all services under the same domain. Infra is not always that bad, they work hard, but if one asks nicely things normally get done quickly. The new translate-vm2 was up and running 24hours after I asked for it. Some times, they have a hard lot of work that gives for us this impression. As I already have helped in the infra of BrOffice, I know how hard is them work, but one time that the home is clean is more easy (and responsive) they work/reply for our requests. Where would like survey.openoffice.org to point to ? Direct to point, Janl. ;-) We can redirect the domain to your server, Rob, and after to migrate to Apache servers when possible. Directing to my server is easy. Apache needs to create the survey.openoffice.org subdomain and set the DNS A record to point to 67.20.112.98. -Rob Bests, Claudio - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Official survey service? (Was: Re: Conversation: Pick A Logo)
2013/4/18 Claudio Filho filh...@gmail.com: Hi Hi. Where would like survey.openoffice.org to point to ? Direct to point, Janl. ;-) We can redirect the domain to your server, Rob, and after to migrate to Apache servers when possible. +1 Albino - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Official survey service? (Was: Re: Conversation: Pick A Logo)
janI wrote: On 18 April 2013 13:13, Rob Weir wrote: If we want I can put a poll up on http://openofficesurvey.org. Where would like survey.openoffice.org to point to ? Indeed, let's avoid using unofficial domains when we can redirect an official subdomain. Redirecting the DNS won't pose a big burden on Infra and just requires (lazy) consensus here. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
