Re: 2015 -- Our 30th Anniversary
On 11/24/2014 11:00 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: Let's imagine a roller coaster. But I would also ask then the group at OX (Ye Olde Hamburg contingent), as well as others in LO, say, to join in. This quarter century chunk is *serious* time. It's not a trivial expanse of forget me nots trod under history's sneakers. It's time that's been spent making a product that's proven resilient and powerful and it its making included a huge number of people, not all of whom are here listening but all the same are there using. louis You are SO right! Regardless of a 30th or 25th anniversary, it is not inconsequential. So what are your thoughts on appropriate activities for this occasion? On 24 November 2014 at 13:01, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 11:48 PM, Roberto Galoppini roberto.galopp...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-11-23 21:55 GMT+01:00 Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com: On 2014-11 -23, at 12:58, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Rob Weir r...@robweir.com wrote: Those who know the history know that Apache OpenOffice is the continuation of the OpenOffice.org project, which itself came from a proprietary suite developed in Germany called StarOffice, which itself started as StarWriter, an application written in 1985 by Marco Börries . So next year, in 2015, will be our 30th anniversary. Any ideas what we might do? For example, does anyone still have a Zilog Z80 (or an emulator) that can run the original StarWriter? It looks like some emulators here: http://www.z80.info/z80emu.htm#EMU_CPU_W32 It might be interesting to show the history of Writer, from release to release, via a set of screen shots (or a movie) showing the evolution of the UI. Regards, -Rob Can we reach a consensus on whether 2015 should be a 25 yr or 30 yr anniversary? It would be great to get some graphic types involved soon in creating an appropriate logo for the websites to put up in 2015. Why do we need a certain date to enable good graphics? Note, I’m a historian. That means that I distrust any claim to date certainty and believe, rather, that we can trace backwards the emergence of modalities of living which in the present lay claim to having been birthed at particular moments, though in historical narrative that was only when they were revealed to be as such. Hence, a graph(ic) would do nicely, no? Not a cake but a chart? I wasn't actually thinking of a cake but maybe a fun modification to the round logo for a year -- encircled with silver (25th anniversary?) or the like. Would be cool to do something like this: http://historyofbitcoin.org/ Yes, it would, and I think we have this timeline somewhere...I'll try to locate it. Roberto Despite the fact that 1985 was the release of a text based StarWriter rather than graphical, I, personally am good with this date. -- - MzK One must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star. -- Friedrich Nietzsche - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- - MzK One must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star. -- Friedrich Nietzsche -- - MzK One must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star. -- Friedrich Nietzsche - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: 2015 -- Our 30th Anniversary
Hi Louis, Am 24.11.2014 um 20:00 schrieb Louis Suárez-Potts: Let's imagine a roller coaster. But I would also ask then the group at OX (Ye Olde Hamburg contingent), as well as others in LO, say, to join in. This quarter century chunk is *serious* time. It's not a trivial expanse of forget me nots trod under history's sneakers. It's time that's been spent making a product that's proven resilient and powerful and it its making included a huge number of people, not all of whom are here listening but all the same are there using. louis for StarOffice the first release was 1995 not 1985 when Marco started his business in Lüneburg (near Hamburg). Development of StarOffice based on StarView started in 1994. When looking at StarWriter then development started earlier and later StarOffice was a complete rewrite of the ideas used in former StarWriter releases. Kind regards, Joost - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: 2015 -- Our 30th Anniversary
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 11:48 PM, Roberto Galoppini roberto.galopp...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-11-23 21:55 GMT+01:00 Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com: On 2014-11 -23, at 12:58, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Rob Weir r...@robweir.com wrote: Those who know the history know that Apache OpenOffice is the continuation of the OpenOffice.org project, which itself came from a proprietary suite developed in Germany called StarOffice, which itself started as StarWriter, an application written in 1985 by Marco Börries . So next year, in 2015, will be our 30th anniversary. Any ideas what we might do? For example, does anyone still have a Zilog Z80 (or an emulator) that can run the original StarWriter? It looks like some emulators here: http://www.z80.info/z80emu.htm#EMU_CPU_W32 It might be interesting to show the history of Writer, from release to release, via a set of screen shots (or a movie) showing the evolution of the UI. Regards, -Rob Can we reach a consensus on whether 2015 should be a 25 yr or 30 yr anniversary? It would be great to get some graphic types involved soon in creating an appropriate logo for the websites to put up in 2015. Why do we need a certain date to enable good graphics? Note, I’m a historian. That means that I distrust any claim to date certainty and believe, rather, that we can trace backwards the emergence of modalities of living which in the present lay claim to having been birthed at particular moments, though in historical narrative that was only when they were revealed to be as such. Hence, a graph(ic) would do nicely, no? Not a cake but a chart? I wasn't actually thinking of a cake but maybe a fun modification to the round logo for a year -- encircled with silver (25th anniversary?) or the like. Would be cool to do something like this: http://historyofbitcoin.org/ Yes, it would, and I think we have this timeline somewhere...I'll try to locate it. Roberto Despite the fact that 1985 was the release of a text based StarWriter rather than graphical, I, personally am good with this date. -- - MzK One must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star. -- Friedrich Nietzsche - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- - MzK One must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
Re: 2015 -- Our 30th Anniversary
Let's imagine a roller coaster. But I would also ask then the group at OX (Ye Olde Hamburg contingent), as well as others in LO, say, to join in. This quarter century chunk is *serious* time. It's not a trivial expanse of forget me nots trod under history's sneakers. It's time that's been spent making a product that's proven resilient and powerful and it its making included a huge number of people, not all of whom are here listening but all the same are there using. louis On 24 November 2014 at 13:01, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 11:48 PM, Roberto Galoppini roberto.galopp...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-11-23 21:55 GMT+01:00 Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com: On 2014-11 -23, at 12:58, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Rob Weir r...@robweir.com wrote: Those who know the history know that Apache OpenOffice is the continuation of the OpenOffice.org project, which itself came from a proprietary suite developed in Germany called StarOffice, which itself started as StarWriter, an application written in 1985 by Marco Börries . So next year, in 2015, will be our 30th anniversary. Any ideas what we might do? For example, does anyone still have a Zilog Z80 (or an emulator) that can run the original StarWriter? It looks like some emulators here: http://www.z80.info/z80emu.htm#EMU_CPU_W32 It might be interesting to show the history of Writer, from release to release, via a set of screen shots (or a movie) showing the evolution of the UI. Regards, -Rob Can we reach a consensus on whether 2015 should be a 25 yr or 30 yr anniversary? It would be great to get some graphic types involved soon in creating an appropriate logo for the websites to put up in 2015. Why do we need a certain date to enable good graphics? Note, I’m a historian. That means that I distrust any claim to date certainty and believe, rather, that we can trace backwards the emergence of modalities of living which in the present lay claim to having been birthed at particular moments, though in historical narrative that was only when they were revealed to be as such. Hence, a graph(ic) would do nicely, no? Not a cake but a chart? I wasn't actually thinking of a cake but maybe a fun modification to the round logo for a year -- encircled with silver (25th anniversary?) or the like. Would be cool to do something like this: http://historyofbitcoin.org/ Yes, it would, and I think we have this timeline somewhere...I'll try to locate it. Roberto Despite the fact that 1985 was the release of a text based StarWriter rather than graphical, I, personally am good with this date. -- - MzK One must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star. -- Friedrich Nietzsche - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- - MzK One must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
Re: 2015 -- Our 30th Anniversary
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 2:48 AM, Roberto Galoppini roberto.galopp...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-11-23 21:55 GMT+01:00 Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com: On 2014-11 -23, at 12:58, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Rob Weir r...@robweir.com wrote: Those who know the history know that Apache OpenOffice is the continuation of the OpenOffice.org project, which itself came from a proprietary suite developed in Germany called StarOffice, which itself started as StarWriter, an application written in 1985 by Marco Börries . So next year, in 2015, will be our 30th anniversary. Any ideas what we might do? For example, does anyone still have a Zilog Z80 (or an emulator) that can run the original StarWriter? It looks like some emulators here: http://www.z80.info/z80emu.htm#EMU_CPU_W32 It might be interesting to show the history of Writer, from release to release, via a set of screen shots (or a movie) showing the evolution of the UI. Regards, -Rob Can we reach a consensus on whether 2015 should be a 25 yr or 30 yr anniversary? It would be great to get some graphic types involved soon in creating an appropriate logo for the websites to put up in 2015. Why do we need a certain date to enable good graphics? Note, I’m a historian. That means that I distrust any claim to date certainty and believe, rather, that we can trace backwards the emergence of modalities of living which in the present lay claim to having been birthed at particular moments, though in historical narrative that was only when they were revealed to be as such. Hence, a graph(ic) would do nicely, no? Not a cake but a chart? Would be cool to do something like this: http://historyofbitcoin.org/ I noticed this time line widget, from the same group that makes the timeplot widget we use on our download stats page: http://www.simile-widgets.org/timeline/ -Rob Roberto Despite the fact that 1985 was the release of a text based StarWriter rather than graphical, I, personally am good with this date. -- - MzK One must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star. -- Friedrich Nietzsche - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: 2015 -- Our 30th Anniversary
Kay Schenk wrote: On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 11:48 PM, Roberto Galoppini wrote: Would be cool to do something like this: http://historyofbitcoin.org/ Yes, it would, and I think we have this timeline somewhere...I'll try to locate it. We used it for the end of year post on 31 Dec 2103: https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/apache_openoffice_in_2013_a (Roller does not allow the embed, so I had to use a trick to display it, but it will work on sane systems). Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: 2015 -- Our 30th Anniversary
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Rob Weir r...@robweir.com wrote: Those who know the history know that Apache OpenOffice is the continuation of the OpenOffice.org project, which itself came from a proprietary suite developed in Germany called StarOffice, which itself started as StarWriter, an application written in 1985 by Marco Börries . So next year, in 2015, will be our 30th anniversary. Any ideas what we might do? For example, does anyone still have a Zilog Z80 (or an emulator) that can run the original StarWriter? It looks like some emulators here: http://www.z80.info/z80emu.htm#EMU_CPU_W32 It might be interesting to show the history of Writer, from release to release, via a set of screen shots (or a movie) showing the evolution of the UI. Regards, -Rob Can we reach a consensus on whether 2015 should be a 25 yr or 30 yr anniversary? It would be great to get some graphic types involved soon in creating an appropriate logo for the websites to put up in 2015. Despite the fact that 1985 was the release of a text based StarWriter rather than graphical, I, personally am good with this date. -- - MzK One must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
Re: 2015 -- Our 30th Anniversary
On 2014-11 -23, at 12:58, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Rob Weir r...@robweir.com wrote: Those who know the history know that Apache OpenOffice is the continuation of the OpenOffice.org project, which itself came from a proprietary suite developed in Germany called StarOffice, which itself started as StarWriter, an application written in 1985 by Marco Börries . So next year, in 2015, will be our 30th anniversary. Any ideas what we might do? For example, does anyone still have a Zilog Z80 (or an emulator) that can run the original StarWriter? It looks like some emulators here: http://www.z80.info/z80emu.htm#EMU_CPU_W32 It might be interesting to show the history of Writer, from release to release, via a set of screen shots (or a movie) showing the evolution of the UI. Regards, -Rob Can we reach a consensus on whether 2015 should be a 25 yr or 30 yr anniversary? It would be great to get some graphic types involved soon in creating an appropriate logo for the websites to put up in 2015. Why do we need a certain date to enable good graphics? Note, I’m a historian. That means that I distrust any claim to date certainty and believe, rather, that we can trace backwards the emergence of modalities of living which in the present lay claim to having been birthed at particular moments, though in historical narrative that was only when they were revealed to be as such. Hence, a graph(ic) would do nicely, no? Not a cake but a chart? Despite the fact that 1985 was the release of a text based StarWriter rather than graphical, I, personally am good with this date. -- - MzK One must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star. -- Friedrich Nietzsche - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: 2015 -- Our 30th Anniversary
2014-11-23 21:55 GMT+01:00 Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com: On 2014-11 -23, at 12:58, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Rob Weir r...@robweir.com wrote: Those who know the history know that Apache OpenOffice is the continuation of the OpenOffice.org project, which itself came from a proprietary suite developed in Germany called StarOffice, which itself started as StarWriter, an application written in 1985 by Marco Börries . So next year, in 2015, will be our 30th anniversary. Any ideas what we might do? For example, does anyone still have a Zilog Z80 (or an emulator) that can run the original StarWriter? It looks like some emulators here: http://www.z80.info/z80emu.htm#EMU_CPU_W32 It might be interesting to show the history of Writer, from release to release, via a set of screen shots (or a movie) showing the evolution of the UI. Regards, -Rob Can we reach a consensus on whether 2015 should be a 25 yr or 30 yr anniversary? It would be great to get some graphic types involved soon in creating an appropriate logo for the websites to put up in 2015. Why do we need a certain date to enable good graphics? Note, I’m a historian. That means that I distrust any claim to date certainty and believe, rather, that we can trace backwards the emergence of modalities of living which in the present lay claim to having been birthed at particular moments, though in historical narrative that was only when they were revealed to be as such. Hence, a graph(ic) would do nicely, no? Not a cake but a chart? Would be cool to do something like this: http://historyofbitcoin.org/ Roberto Despite the fact that 1985 was the release of a text based StarWriter rather than graphical, I, personally am good with this date. -- - MzK One must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star. -- Friedrich Nietzsche - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: 2015 -- Our 30th Anniversary
On 13/11/14 17:23, Malte Timmermann wrote: Hi Louis, On 28.10.2014 21:12, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: Hi Malte, And you are right wrt many early developers working for Open-Xchange now :) Yes, and perhaps one day we’ll even see something (I joke; there is already something). Actually everyone can look at the demo version of App Suite, including OX Text and OX Spreadsheet: http://www.open-xchange.com/demo cool, you make good progress, I like it Juergen Same focus - Office productivity, ODF and OOXML. Hm. You might want to share with us what’s going on over there…. See below :) Just different technology - now written for the browser. Right. Can you edit in the browser? I mean, edit ODF or OOXML docs. using, for instance, Chrome or Firefox or Safari? Exactly. ODF and OOXML are our natively supported formats that we can edit in the browser. Text and Spreadsheet are already available. We work on the documents very different compared to Open Office or MS Office. One of our most important features is the document roundtrip. You can safely switch between editing with OX Documents and editing with your native application. And we have real-time communication to quickly distribute changes to other clients. I just wrote a blog post that explains the technical details how we achieve it. http://techblog.open-xchange.com/2014/11/13/ox-documents-roundtrip-and-operations/ Best regards Malte. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: 2015 -- Our 30th Anniversary
Hi Louis, On 28.10.2014 21:12, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: Hi Malte, And you are right wrt many early developers working for Open-Xchange now :) Yes, and perhaps one day we’ll even see something (I joke; there is already something). Actually everyone can look at the demo version of App Suite, including OX Text and OX Spreadsheet: http://www.open-xchange.com/demo Same focus - Office productivity, ODF and OOXML. Hm. You might want to share with us what’s going on over there…. See below :) Just different technology - now written for the browser. Right. Can you edit in the browser? I mean, edit ODF or OOXML docs. using, for instance, Chrome or Firefox or Safari? Exactly. ODF and OOXML are our natively supported formats that we can edit in the browser. Text and Spreadsheet are already available. We work on the documents very different compared to Open Office or MS Office. One of our most important features is the document roundtrip. You can safely switch between editing with OX Documents and editing with your native application. And we have real-time communication to quickly distribute changes to other clients. I just wrote a blog post that explains the technical details how we achieve it. http://techblog.open-xchange.com/2014/11/13/ox-documents-roundtrip-and-operations/ Best regards Malte. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: 2015 -- Our 30th Anniversary
Hi Louis, I am not interested in being interviewed in a podcast, but if you have specific questions, just let me know. Private email to my web.de account, as I don't follow the mails on the AOO/LO lists on a regular base, except for the security lists. And you are right wrt many early developers working for Open-Xchange now :) We are 14(!) former colleagues from Sun's OpenOffice.org.team. 12 of them even already worked for StarDivision. Same focus - Office productivity, ODF and OOXML. Just different technology - now written for the browser. Best regards Malte. On 27.10.2014 19:57, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: Malte! So, you do realize this is probably one of the very very few witness accounts we have of the origins of StarOffice? (later OpenOffice) ... and if you were to consent to writing more--or being interviewed in a podcast for more--we, or at least I, would be grateful... and better informed of that application that has so formed my adult life. best louis On 27 October 2014 14:53, Malte Timmermann malte_timmerm...@gmx.com wrote: Honestly, I don't agree on 30th Anniversary, but see 2015 as 25th Anniversary. StarWriter for text screens was written in Lueneburg near Hamburg. In Pascal. By people which later didn't work on StarWriter for Windows. In 1990, Marco started the new StarDivision location in Hamburg. StarWriter for GUI systems to be developed from scratch. Written in C++. By completely different people. When I started there in 1991, there was only a Writer prototype, as we also needed to first develop StarView, the class library for abstracting from Windows, OS/2, Mac and Unix Motif. Yes, there was a StarWriter Mac version in the beginning, long before it was canceled, and many years went by before there was one again! The concept of StarView was to create native system widgets for their corresponding components. As this approach lead to different issues, and not all systems had the same set of widgets, we later replaced StarView with VCL, as you know it today. First versions of StarOffice for Windows contained Calc and Draw developed outside from StarDivision, both using their own technology stack. Iirc, StarOffice 3.0 was the first version of the suite with all components based on StarView. The English Wiki referenced page below is misleading wrt versions. There also was a StarWriter 1.0 for Windows, many years after StarWriter 1.0 for DOS (which already was available in version 6 then). The version history is much better documented on the German Wiki page: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarOffice Just some historical data :) Best regards Malte. On 24.10.2014 17:25, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Roberto Galoppini roberto.galopp...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-10-24 16:41 GMT+02:00 Rob Weir r...@robweir.com: Those who know the history know that Apache OpenOffice is the continuation of the OpenOffice.org project, which itself came from a proprietary suite developed in Germany called StarOffice, which itself started as StarWriter, an application written in 1985 by Marco Börries . So next year, in 2015, will be our 30th anniversary. Any ideas what we might do? For example, does anyone still have a Zilog Z80 (or an emulator) that can run the original StarWriter? I'm still a proud owner of a ZX Spectrum Sinclair 48k, never heard about a StarWriter app, though. Does it exist, ideas about to get it? Cool! This is from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarOffice#History It references a page on our wiki that claims StarWriter 1.0 was released in 1985. No idea where to get the code. Maybe Juergen or another old-timer would have a clue for us? -Rob Roberto It looks like some emulators here: http://www.z80.info/z80emu.htm#EMU_CPU_W32 It might be interesting to show the history of Writer, from release to release, via a set of screen shots (or a movie) showing the evolution of the UI. Regards, -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: English dictionary (Re: 2015 -- Our 30th Anniversary)
Wrong answer.The end user should not have to fix anything it should work when the product is downloaded or the application should not be included in the download. It worked without difficulty prior to the latest version being released. I sent true end users to download the software , they downloaded the software and the spell check dictionary did not work. This damages our credibility as an alternative solution to pay for products that are available. What is the timeline for the download to be corrected? Alphonso Whitfield III 912-590-6266 Sales Office 912-590-6139 Ops Center i...@thevitalportal.com Vital Inc. 315 Plant Ave Suite E Waycross, Georgia 31501 - Original Message - From: Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org To: dev@openoffice.apache.org, market...@openoffice.apache.org Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 4:44:54 PM Subject: English dictionary (Re: 2015 -- Our 30th Anniversary) On 27/10/2014 Alphonso Whitfield III wrote: When is the English language dictionary going to be fixed in the spell checker application? The English dictionary is not supposed to be fixed since it already works. If it doesn't work for you, try resettin your user profile. There are plenty of explanations around, see for example https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12426 Note that your comment has nothing to do with the original topic of this discussion. Please do change at least the subject (and possibly start a new discussion instead of replying to an existing one). Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: English dictionary (Re: 2015 -- Our 30th Anniversary)
There is no wrong answer here. The question is, do you want to fix your immediate problem, or are you willing to wait until there is something in the installer to destroy your profile every time you install an update, or something else? Andrea described the state of affairs and the options for working around it that are available now. Let's look a little deeper. There are occasions where the user profile carries information that causes opening of an application to fail because of a document-recovery failure or other corruption of previous work. There may also be problems because an user profile is corrupted in some manner, all by itself. This is because some sort of corruption happened already, and restarting doesn't improve matters. If we could tell that this was the case in the software, OpenOffice could request permission to fix it immediately on it being detected. It would not have anything to do with installing updates. (The reason for engaging users is that there may be other consequences if the fix involves deleting the user profile or destruction of autosave material.) Alternatively, there could be some sort of option in the current document-recovery-failure message to ask if the user profile should be reset. I.e., give the user a way to break out of the problem by selecting a don't recover option on the dialog, or something. Again, this has nothing to do with giving magical powers to the installer. This is easy to say. It may be hard to implement. And it requires some volunteers (not just one) to tease it out, come up with fixes, verify the situation by intentionally creating document-recovery problems, and also ensure that the remedy is otherwise benign. That will take volunteers who are equipped to deal with the problem and have both the desire and the opportunity to work on it. I agree that it would be valuable to have such a remedy, and anything that inspires user confidence is important. You might want to find a bug to vote for, such as https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=71681. Or https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=61610. There are others (I found over 100 bugzilla entries using search on document recovery. There are many ways for there to be corruption of one kind or another. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Alphonso Whitfield III [mailto:awhitfi...@vital-inet.com] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 20:07 To: market...@openoffice.apache.org Cc: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: English dictionary (Re: 2015 -- Our 30th Anniversary) Wrong answer.The end user should not have to fix anything it should work when the product is downloaded or the application should not be included in the download. It worked without difficulty prior to the latest version being released. I sent true end users to download the software , they downloaded the software and the spell check dictionary did not work. This damages our credibility as an alternative solution to pay for products that are available. What is the timeline for the download to be corrected? Alphonso Whitfield III 912-590-6266 Sales Office 912-590-6139 Ops Center i...@thevitalportal.com Vital Inc. 315 Plant Ave Suite E Waycross, Georgia 31501 - Original Message - From: Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org To: dev@openoffice.apache.org, market...@openoffice.apache.org Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 4:44:54 PM Subject: English dictionary (Re: 2015 -- Our 30th Anniversary) On 27/10/2014 Alphonso Whitfield III wrote: When is the English language dictionary going to be fixed in the spell checker application? The English dictionary is not supposed to be fixed since it already works. If it doesn't work for you, try resettin your user profile. There are plenty of explanations around, see for example https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12426 Note that your comment has nothing to do with the original topic of this discussion. Please do change at least the subject (and possibly start a new discussion instead of replying to an existing one). Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: 2015 -- Our 30th Anniversary
Hi Malte, On 2014-10 -28, at 04:22, Malte Timmermann malte_timmerm...@gmx.com wrote: Hi Louis, I am not interested in being interviewed in a podcast, but if you have specific questions, just let me know. Private email to my web.de account, as I don't follow the mails on the AOO/LO lists on a regular base, except for the security lists. Okay. I think it would be as others expressed, to give more on the early history of a rather significant artifact. The early history of the application is something that continues with us, and it’s also something that’s frankly interesting, at least to those of us curious about how multiperson collaborations of this sort are conceived and then produced over decades. And you are right wrt many early developers working for Open-Xchange now :) Yes, and perhaps one day we’ll even see something (I joke; there is already something). We are 14(!) former colleagues from Sun's OpenOffice.org.team. 12 of them even already worked for StarDivision. Wow. Same focus - Office productivity, ODF and OOXML. Hm. You might want to share with us what’s going on over there…. Just different technology - now written for the browser. Right. Can you edit in the browser? I mean, edit ODF or OOXML docs. using, for instance, Chrome or Firefox or Safari? Best regards Malte. Best, Louis On 27.10.2014 19:57, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: Malte! So, you do realize this is probably one of the very very few witness accounts we have of the origins of StarOffice? (later OpenOffice) ... and if you were to consent to writing more--or being interviewed in a podcast for more--we, or at least I, would be grateful... and better informed of that application that has so formed my adult life. best louis On 27 October 2014 14:53, Malte Timmermann malte_timmerm...@gmx.com wrote: Honestly, I don't agree on 30th Anniversary, but see 2015 as 25th Anniversary. StarWriter for text screens was written in Lueneburg near Hamburg. In Pascal. By people which later didn't work on StarWriter for Windows. In 1990, Marco started the new StarDivision location in Hamburg. StarWriter for GUI systems to be developed from scratch. Written in C++. By completely different people. When I started there in 1991, there was only a Writer prototype, as we also needed to first develop StarView, the class library for abstracting from Windows, OS/2, Mac and Unix Motif. Yes, there was a StarWriter Mac version in the beginning, long before it was canceled, and many years went by before there was one again! The concept of StarView was to create native system widgets for their corresponding components. As this approach lead to different issues, and not all systems had the same set of widgets, we later replaced StarView with VCL, as you know it today. First versions of StarOffice for Windows contained Calc and Draw developed outside from StarDivision, both using their own technology stack. Iirc, StarOffice 3.0 was the first version of the suite with all components based on StarView. The English Wiki referenced page below is misleading wrt versions. There also was a StarWriter 1.0 for Windows, many years after StarWriter 1.0 for DOS (which already was available in version 6 then). The version history is much better documented on the German Wiki page: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarOffice Just some historical data :) Best regards Malte. On 24.10.2014 17:25, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Roberto Galoppini roberto.galopp...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-10-24 16:41 GMT+02:00 Rob Weir r...@robweir.com: Those who know the history know that Apache OpenOffice is the continuation of the OpenOffice.org project, which itself came from a proprietary suite developed in Germany called StarOffice, which itself started as StarWriter, an application written in 1985 by Marco Börries . So next year, in 2015, will be our 30th anniversary. Any ideas what we might do? For example, does anyone still have a Zilog Z80 (or an emulator) that can run the original StarWriter? I'm still a proud owner of a ZX Spectrum Sinclair 48k, never heard about a StarWriter app, though. Does it exist, ideas about to get it? Cool! This is from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarOffice#History It references a page on our wiki that claims StarWriter 1.0 was released in 1985. No idea where to get the code. Maybe Juergen or another old-timer would have a clue for us? -Rob Roberto It looks like some emulators here: http://www.z80.info/z80emu.htm#EMU_CPU_W32 It might be interesting to show the history of Writer, from release to release, via a set of screen shots (or a movie) showing the evolution of the UI. Regards, -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional
RE: English dictionary (Re: 2015 -- Our 30th Anniversary) - OOPS
I am even more confusing than usual. Alphonso thinks that the English dictionary is broken, but it does not appear to be and the breakage may be related to some problem in the user profile, as Andrea reported. I confused this simple case with others where the remedy is also to delete the user profile. There's still no wrong answer here, but my response is not relevant to the situation being complained about. -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:28 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: English dictionary (Re: 2015 -- Our 30th Anniversary) There is no wrong answer here. The question is, do you want to fix your immediate problem, or are you willing to wait until there is something in the installer to destroy your profile every time you install an update, or something else? Andrea described the state of affairs and the options for working around it that are available now. [ ... ] -Original Message- From: Alphonso Whitfield III [mailto:awhitfi...@vital-inet.com] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 20:07 To: market...@openoffice.apache.org Cc: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: English dictionary (Re: 2015 -- Our 30th Anniversary) Wrong answer.The end user should not have to fix anything it should work when the product is downloaded or the application should not be included in the download. It worked without difficulty prior to the latest version being released. I sent true end users to download the software , they downloaded the software and the spell check dictionary did not work. This damages our credibility as an alternative solution to pay for products that are available. What is the timeline for the download to be corrected? Alphonso Whitfield III 912-590-6266 Sales Office 912-590-6139 Ops Center i...@thevitalportal.com Vital Inc. 315 Plant Ave Suite E Waycross, Georgia 31501 - Original Message - From: Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org To: dev@openoffice.apache.org, market...@openoffice.apache.org Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 4:44:54 PM Subject: English dictionary (Re: 2015 -- Our 30th Anniversary) On 27/10/2014 Alphonso Whitfield III wrote: When is the English language dictionary going to be fixed in the spell checker application? The English dictionary is not supposed to be fixed since it already works. If it doesn't work for you, try resettin your user profile. There are plenty of explanations around, see for example https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12426 Note that your comment has nothing to do with the original topic of this discussion. Please do change at least the subject (and possibly start a new discussion instead of replying to an existing one). Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: 2015 -- Our 30th Anniversary
Malte! So, you do realize this is probably one of the very very few witness accounts we have of the origins of StarOffice? (later OpenOffice) ... and if you were to consent to writing more--or being interviewed in a podcast for more--we, or at least I, would be grateful... and better informed of that application that has so formed my adult life. best louis On 27 October 2014 14:53, Malte Timmermann malte_timmerm...@gmx.com wrote: Honestly, I don't agree on 30th Anniversary, but see 2015 as 25th Anniversary. StarWriter for text screens was written in Lueneburg near Hamburg. In Pascal. By people which later didn't work on StarWriter for Windows. In 1990, Marco started the new StarDivision location in Hamburg. StarWriter for GUI systems to be developed from scratch. Written in C++. By completely different people. When I started there in 1991, there was only a Writer prototype, as we also needed to first develop StarView, the class library for abstracting from Windows, OS/2, Mac and Unix Motif. Yes, there was a StarWriter Mac version in the beginning, long before it was canceled, and many years went by before there was one again! The concept of StarView was to create native system widgets for their corresponding components. As this approach lead to different issues, and not all systems had the same set of widgets, we later replaced StarView with VCL, as you know it today. First versions of StarOffice for Windows contained Calc and Draw developed outside from StarDivision, both using their own technology stack. Iirc, StarOffice 3.0 was the first version of the suite with all components based on StarView. The English Wiki referenced page below is misleading wrt versions. There also was a StarWriter 1.0 for Windows, many years after StarWriter 1.0 for DOS (which already was available in version 6 then). The version history is much better documented on the German Wiki page: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarOffice Just some historical data :) Best regards Malte. On 24.10.2014 17:25, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Roberto Galoppini roberto.galopp...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-10-24 16:41 GMT+02:00 Rob Weir r...@robweir.com: Those who know the history know that Apache OpenOffice is the continuation of the OpenOffice.org project, which itself came from a proprietary suite developed in Germany called StarOffice, which itself started as StarWriter, an application written in 1985 by Marco Börries . So next year, in 2015, will be our 30th anniversary. Any ideas what we might do? For example, does anyone still have a Zilog Z80 (or an emulator) that can run the original StarWriter? I'm still a proud owner of a ZX Spectrum Sinclair 48k, never heard about a StarWriter app, though. Does it exist, ideas about to get it? Cool! This is from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarOffice#History It references a page on our wiki that claims StarWriter 1.0 was released in 1985. No idea where to get the code. Maybe Juergen or another old-timer would have a clue for us? -Rob Roberto It looks like some emulators here: http://www.z80.info/z80emu.htm#EMU_CPU_W32 It might be interesting to show the history of Writer, from release to release, via a set of screen shots (or a movie) showing the evolution of the UI. Regards, -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: 2015 -- Our 30th Anniversary
When is the English language dictionary going to be fixed in the spell checker application? Alphonso Whitfield III 912-590-6266 Sales Office 912-590-6139 Ops Center i...@thevitalportal.com Vital Inc. 315 Plant Ave Suite E Waycross, Georgia 31501 - Original Message - From: Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com To: marketing market...@openoffice.apache.org Cc: dev@openoffice.apache.org Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 1:57:48 PM Subject: Re: 2015 -- Our 30th Anniversary Malte! So, you do realize this is probably one of the very very few witness accounts we have of the origins of StarOffice? (later OpenOffice) ... and if you were to consent to writing more--or being interviewed in a podcast for more--we, or at least I, would be grateful... and better informed of that application that has so formed my adult life. best louis On 27 October 2014 14:53, Malte Timmermann malte_timmerm...@gmx.com wrote: Honestly, I don't agree on 30th Anniversary, but see 2015 as 25th Anniversary. StarWriter for text screens was written in Lueneburg near Hamburg. In Pascal. By people which later didn't work on StarWriter for Windows. In 1990, Marco started the new StarDivision location in Hamburg. StarWriter for GUI systems to be developed from scratch. Written in C++. By completely different people. When I started there in 1991, there was only a Writer prototype, as we also needed to first develop StarView, the class library for abstracting from Windows, OS/2, Mac and Unix Motif. Yes, there was a StarWriter Mac version in the beginning, long before it was canceled, and many years went by before there was one again! The concept of StarView was to create native system widgets for their corresponding components. As this approach lead to different issues, and not all systems had the same set of widgets, we later replaced StarView with VCL, as you know it today. First versions of StarOffice for Windows contained Calc and Draw developed outside from StarDivision, both using their own technology stack. Iirc, StarOffice 3.0 was the first version of the suite with all components based on StarView. The English Wiki referenced page below is misleading wrt versions. There also was a StarWriter 1.0 for Windows, many years after StarWriter 1.0 for DOS (which already was available in version 6 then). The version history is much better documented on the German Wiki page: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarOffice Just some historical data :) Best regards Malte. On 24.10.2014 17:25, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Roberto Galoppini roberto.galopp...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-10-24 16:41 GMT+02:00 Rob Weir r...@robweir.com: Those who know the history know that Apache OpenOffice is the continuation of the OpenOffice.org project, which itself came from a proprietary suite developed in Germany called StarOffice, which itself started as StarWriter, an application written in 1985 by Marco Börries . So next year, in 2015, will be our 30th anniversary. Any ideas what we might do? For example, does anyone still have a Zilog Z80 (or an emulator) that can run the original StarWriter? I'm still a proud owner of a ZX Spectrum Sinclair 48k, never heard about a StarWriter app, though. Does it exist, ideas about to get it? Cool! This is from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarOffice#History It references a page on our wiki that claims StarWriter 1.0 was released in 1985. No idea where to get the code. Maybe Juergen or another old-timer would have a clue for us? -Rob Roberto It looks like some emulators here: http://www.z80.info/z80emu.htm#EMU_CPU_W32 It might be interesting to show the history of Writer, from release to release, via a set of screen shots (or a movie) showing the evolution of the UI. Regards, -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org
English dictionary (Re: 2015 -- Our 30th Anniversary)
On 27/10/2014 Alphonso Whitfield III wrote: When is the English language dictionary going to be fixed in the spell checker application? The English dictionary is not supposed to be fixed since it already works. If it doesn't work for you, try resettin your user profile. There are plenty of explanations around, see for example https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12426 Note that your comment has nothing to do with the original topic of this discussion. Please do change at least the subject (and possibly start a new discussion instead of replying to an existing one). Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: 2015 -- Our 30th Anniversary
2014-10-24 16:41 GMT+02:00 Rob Weir r...@robweir.com: Those who know the history know that Apache OpenOffice is the continuation of the OpenOffice.org project, which itself came from a proprietary suite developed in Germany called StarOffice, which itself started as StarWriter, an application written in 1985 by Marco Börries . So next year, in 2015, will be our 30th anniversary. Any ideas what we might do? For example, does anyone still have a Zilog Z80 (or an emulator) that can run the original StarWriter? I'm still a proud owner of a ZX Spectrum Sinclair 48k, never heard about a StarWriter app, though. Does it exist, ideas about to get it? Roberto It looks like some emulators here: http://www.z80.info/z80emu.htm#EMU_CPU_W32 It might be interesting to show the history of Writer, from release to release, via a set of screen shots (or a movie) showing the evolution of the UI. Regards, -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: 2015 -- Our 30th Anniversary
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Roberto Galoppini roberto.galopp...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-10-24 16:41 GMT+02:00 Rob Weir r...@robweir.com: Those who know the history know that Apache OpenOffice is the continuation of the OpenOffice.org project, which itself came from a proprietary suite developed in Germany called StarOffice, which itself started as StarWriter, an application written in 1985 by Marco Börries . So next year, in 2015, will be our 30th anniversary. Any ideas what we might do? For example, does anyone still have a Zilog Z80 (or an emulator) that can run the original StarWriter? I'm still a proud owner of a ZX Spectrum Sinclair 48k, never heard about a StarWriter app, though. Does it exist, ideas about to get it? Cool! This is from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarOffice#History It references a page on our wiki that claims StarWriter 1.0 was released in 1985. No idea where to get the code. Maybe Juergen or another old-timer would have a clue for us? -Rob Roberto It looks like some emulators here: http://www.z80.info/z80emu.htm#EMU_CPU_W32 It might be interesting to show the history of Writer, from release to release, via a set of screen shots (or a movie) showing the evolution of the UI. Regards, -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: 2015 -- Our 30th Anniversary
On 2014-10 -24, at 11:15, Roberto Galoppini roberto.galopp...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-10-24 16:41 GMT+02:00 Rob Weir r...@robweir.com: Those who know the history know that Apache OpenOffice is the continuation of the OpenOffice.org project, which itself came from a proprietary suite developed in Germany called StarOffice, which itself started as StarWriter, an application written in 1985 by Marco Börries . So next year, in 2015, will be our 30th anniversary. Any ideas what we might do? For example, does anyone still have a Zilog Z80 (or an emulator) that can run the original StarWriter? I'm still a proud owner of a ZX Spectrum Sinclair 48k, never heard about a StarWriter app, though. Does it exist, ideas about to get it? Roberto You could ask the originators of the program. Eg, Marco Boerries, now—or was—of No. 4 (as in his 4th company), or early (and still at it) developers, many of whom are now at Open-X (I think that’s what it’s called), in Hamburg. Perhaps Juergen knows. louis It looks like some emulators here: http://www.z80.info/z80emu.htm#EMU_CPU_W32 It might be interesting to show the history of Writer, from release to release, via a set of screen shots (or a movie) showing the evolution of the UI. Regards, -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
