Re: Adapt the naming of our project deliverables - OpenOffice.org -- Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-20 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann

Hi,

On 18.02.2013 13:19, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

Hi,

On 15.02.2013 16:10, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

Hi,

On 15.01.2013 16:08, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

Hi,

On 11.01.2013 15:06, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:

On 1/10/13 3:56 PM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

Hi,

On 10.01.2013 11:55, Rony G. Flatscher wrote:

Hi Oliver-Rainer,

On 10.01.2013 11:23, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

I have finished the renaming from OpenOffice.org to Apache
OpenOffice - see issue 121388.

Beside corresponding changes in the user interface this change has
impact on the following
important and critical stuff:
- folder/directory names
- package names
- Windows registry key names and values
- ...

As the folder/directory path to the user profile is also changed,
the
user profile of a former
installed AOO (or OOo) version is not taken over.

for installation script purposes of add-ons etc., where can one find
the concrete strings for
folder/directory names on the various operating system platforms and
the Windows registry key names
and values?



Unfortunately, there is no single place in the source code. I also had
not the resources to clean this up during the renaming work - hint,
hint, hint :-)

Please have a look at issue 121388, the wiki page referenced in one of
the issue's comments and the intrinsic changes I have made.

The product installation folder is more or less a form of the
$PRODUCTNAME + [major version number]. E.g.:
- Windows: Apache OpenOffice 3
- Linux: apache_openoffice3
On Linux platforms we have also the basis installation folder. It name
is found in /main/instsetoo_native/util/openoffice.lst

The user profile folder is more or less $PRODUCTNAME/[major version
number]/

The Windows registry keys and values can be found in module main/scp2/

I hope that helps a little bit.


I was thinking about the name and here I mean the name that is used for
the folder etc. The name is used in the help, in tools option, in the
menu...

We changed OpenOffice.org to Apache OpenOffice so good so far. But
would it be nicer to shorten the folder, menu entries, ... to simply
OpenOffice

Folders
Linux: /opt/openoffice4
Mac: OpenOffice.app
Windows: OpenOffice 4

Tools Option
OpenOffice
OpenOffice Writer
OpenOffice ...

Help
OpenOffice instead of hundreds of Apache OpenOffice

The idea is that the project and product is called Apache OpenOffice
but
in practice we would use in the product the short from OpenOffice. The
intro, start center, about can of course use images where we use
Apache
OpenOffice.

Well it's just an idea and I know it would require some further work
but
now would be the time for it. I believe legally should it be ok today
but it have to checked to be safe.

What's your opinion?



It looks like that Jürgen's suggestion does not get any objections,
quite the contrary happened.
Thus, if nobody objects I will reopen issue 121388 and work on it to
adapt the naming as suggested by Jürgen.



Sorry for the long silence on this issue.
Two viral flues knocked me out for all together more than two weeks.
Thus, I did not find the time to work on it.

Now, I am about to start my work on it.

My ideas are the following:
- Change PRODUCTNAME (in /instsetoo_native/util/openoffice.lst) to
OpenOffice
- Introduce new variable FULLPRODUCTNAME having value Apache OpenOffice
- Use new variable FULLPRODUCTNAME instead of PRODUCTNAME where
appropriate to keep the full product name. These should be only a small
amount of replacements - at least I hope.
- Check the rest of the other hard-code occurences of Apache
OpenOffice and its variants in the source and adapt them, if needed.
- Fix the Linux installation problem - kudos to Ariel for finding the
root cause - that the underscore in PRODUCTLIST = apache_openoffice from
main/sysui/desktop/productversion.mk causes - see thread Error (maybe)
installing yesterdays daily build

Did I miss anything?
Do not hesitate to provide feedback and/or suggestions.



I will also change the Windows Registry Keys from Apache OpenOffice to
OpenOffice.



I have almost finish the renaming adaption - see the adapting patch 
attached to issue 121388.


I have already did some tests on Window 7:
- installation on clean system
- installation on system having AOO 3.4.1
- installation on system having OOo 3.3

I will do some simple tests on my Ubuntu VMs.

I assume that I will commit the changes tomorrow. Then our buildbots 
will show may be further problems.


I am requesting that people involved in other platforms and/or testing 
should have a look at builds containing these changes. Especially 
regarding installation and upgrade.


Thanks in advance.

Best regards, Oliver.


Re: Adapt the naming of our project deliverables - OpenOffice.org -- Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-15 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann

Hi,

On 15.01.2013 16:08, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

Hi,

On 11.01.2013 15:06, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:

On 1/10/13 3:56 PM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

Hi,

On 10.01.2013 11:55, Rony G. Flatscher wrote:

Hi Oliver-Rainer,

On 10.01.2013 11:23, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

I have finished the renaming from OpenOffice.org to Apache
OpenOffice - see issue 121388.

Beside corresponding changes in the user interface this change has
impact on the following
important and critical stuff:
- folder/directory names
- package names
- Windows registry key names and values
- ...

As the folder/directory path to the user profile is also changed, the
user profile of a former
installed AOO (or OOo) version is not taken over.

for installation script purposes of add-ons etc., where can one find
the concrete strings for
folder/directory names on the various operating system platforms and
the Windows registry key names
and values?



Unfortunately, there is no single place in the source code. I also had
not the resources to clean this up during the renaming work - hint,
hint, hint :-)

Please have a look at issue 121388, the wiki page referenced in one of
the issue's comments and the intrinsic changes I have made.

The product installation folder is more or less a form of the
$PRODUCTNAME + [major version number]. E.g.:
- Windows: Apache OpenOffice 3
- Linux: apache_openoffice3
On Linux platforms we have also the basis installation folder. It name
is found in /main/instsetoo_native/util/openoffice.lst

The user profile folder is more or less $PRODUCTNAME/[major version
number]/

The Windows registry keys and values can be found in module main/scp2/

I hope that helps a little bit.


I was thinking about the name and here I mean the name that is used for
the folder etc. The name is used in the help, in tools option, in the
menu...

We changed OpenOffice.org to Apache OpenOffice so good so far. But
would it be nicer to shorten the folder, menu entries, ... to simply
OpenOffice

Folders
Linux: /opt/openoffice4
Mac: OpenOffice.app
Windows: OpenOffice 4

Tools Option
OpenOffice
OpenOffice Writer
OpenOffice ...

Help
OpenOffice instead of hundreds of Apache OpenOffice

The idea is that the project and product is called Apache OpenOffice but
in practice we would use in the product the short from OpenOffice. The
intro, start center, about can of course use images where we use Apache
OpenOffice.

Well it's just an idea and I know it would require some further work but
now would be the time for it. I believe legally should it be ok today
but it have to checked to be safe.

What's your opinion?



It looks like that Jürgen's suggestion does not get any objections,
quite the contrary happened.
Thus, if nobody objects I will reopen issue 121388 and work on it to
adapt the naming as suggested by Jürgen.



Sorry for the long silence on this issue.
Two viral flues knocked me out for all together more than two weeks.
Thus, I did not find the time to work on it.

Now, I am about to start my work on it.

My ideas are the following:
- Change PRODUCTNAME (in /instsetoo_native/util/openoffice.lst) to 
OpenOffice

- Introduce new variable FULLPRODUCTNAME having value Apache OpenOffice
- Use new variable FULLPRODUCTNAME instead of PRODUCTNAME where 
appropriate to keep the full product name. These should be only a small 
amount of replacements - at least I hope.
- Check the rest of the other hard-code occurences of Apache 
OpenOffice and its variants in the source and adapt them, if needed.
- Fix the Linux installation problem - kudos to Ariel for finding the 
root cause - that the underscore in PRODUCTLIST = apache_openoffice from
main/sysui/desktop/productversion.mk causes - see thread Error (maybe) 
installing yesterdays daily build


Did I miss anything?
Do not hesitate to provide feedback and/or suggestions.


Best regards, Oliver.


Re: Adapt the naming of our project deliverables - OpenOffice.org -- Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-19 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 06:00:35PM -0500, Rob Weir wrote:
 On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 7:04 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
 orwittm...@googlemail.com wrote:
  Hi,
 
  as we had changed our 'project name' from OpenOffice.org to Apache
  OpenOffice it makes sense to reflect this change also in our source and the
  product based on our source.
  We had already made some basic and limited renaming - start center, splash
  screen, ... -, but it is not complete.
 
 
 A question: Will this renaming effort also change library/modules
 names at a lower level, so we can more cleanly install as an
 independent app where LibreOffice has hijacked the old names?

The problem with /usr/bin/soffice is not been solved by this change.
Other problems like LO obsoleting OOo packages will go away with the
name change because it implies a package name change (something we
should also do is remove the version from the package name, this is
causing the bug currently that version 3.4 didn't remove previous
versions when installed).


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: Adapt the naming of our project deliverables - OpenOffice.org -- Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-19 Thread Kay Schenk
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 6:37 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
arie...@apache.orgwrote:

 On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 06:00:35PM -0500, Rob Weir wrote:
  On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 7:04 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
  orwittm...@googlemail.com wrote:
   Hi,
  
   as we had changed our 'project name' from OpenOffice.org to Apache
   OpenOffice it makes sense to reflect this change also in our source
 and the
   product based on our source.
   We had already made some basic and limited renaming - start center,
 splash
   screen, ... -, but it is not complete.
  
 
  A question: Will this renaming effort also change library/modules
  names at a lower level, so we can more cleanly install as an
  independent app where LibreOffice has hijacked the old names?

 The problem with /usr/bin/soffice is not been solved by this change.


I truly wish there was some recourse we could take about this particular
issue. how to unlink soffice from LO is covered in the installation
instructions, but essentially highjacking a binary this way seems a bit of
a malware approach to me.


 Other problems like LO obsoleting OOo packages will go away with the
 name change because it implies a package name change (something we
 should also do is remove the version from the package name, this is
 causing the bug currently that version 3.4 didn't remove previous
 versions when installed).


 Regards
 --
 Ariel Constenla-Haile
 La Plata, Argentina




-- 

MzK

No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted.
 --
Aesop


Re: Adapt the naming of our project deliverables - OpenOffice.org -- Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-18 Thread Kay Schenk
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote:


 On 1/17/2013 2:45 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:

 On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 2:23 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann 
 orwittm...@googlemail.com wrote:

  Hi,

 I have finished the renaming from OpenOffice.org to Apache OpenOffice
 - see issue 121388.

 Beside corresponding changes in the user interface this change has impact
 on the following important and critical stuff:
 - folder/directory names
 - package names
 - Windows registry key names and values
 - ...

 As the folder/directory path to the user profile is also changed, the
 user
 profile of a former installed AOO (or OOo) version is not taken over.

 If possible, please review the changes in your environment/platform.
 I am asking especially our community members working on the BSD platform,
 Solaris platform and OS/2 platform to have a deeper look.

 minor note:
 We are still on version number 3.5.0.
 I will work on issue 119977 to adapt the version number to 4.0. I think
 I will provide the corresponding patch soon, but I will wait with the
 integration in order to have enough time for testing the renaming to
 Apache OpenOffice.


 Best regards, Oliver.


 I have a quick question but the issue seems to answer this.

 This should be included in buildbot output for trunk currently, correct?

 Given Juergen's recent message about tag SNAPSHOT, I'm a bit confused.

 The buildbot output for linux-32-nightly is working and thus should have
 output, but the one for linux-32-snapshot is broken.


 The snapshot is running on a different box (well, different vm), and I
 think I have something I still need to fix on the new vm.
 Nightly is running ubuntu 12.04 and snapshot is on ubuntu 10.04. Thus the
 snapshot should create 'better' install packages ...


 A.


Andrew --

Thanks for this info. I just wanted to be able to test out the version with
the naming changes and didn't know what I should use -- the output from the
normal Linux-32 bit, or the Linux-32 SNAPSHOT -- and that's why I brought
this up.








 On 23.11.2012 13:04, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

  Hi,

 as we had changed our 'project name' from OpenOffice.org to Apache
 OpenOffice it makes sense to reflect this change also in our source and
 the
 product based on our source.
 We had already made some basic and limited renaming - start center,
 splash
 screen, ... -, but it is not complete.

 May be you remember Armin's work on it for our AOO 3.4 (incubating)
 release on
 branch alg/install. As Armin figured out that the change would be too
 risky, we
 decided to postpone this name adaption to the next major release.
 Thus, I decided to pick up this issue with the goal to solve it for our
 next
 coming major release.

 As there are certain different usages of the name and its variants -
 e.g.,
 visible name of the product, name of the installation directory, ... -
 which
 impacts quite different areas of our project help is very welcome here.

 I will start with investigating Armin's work and documenting the
 different usages.

 Best regards, Oliver.






-- 

MzK

No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted.
 --
Aesop


Re: Adapt the naming of our project deliverables - OpenOffice.org -- Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-17 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 7:04 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
orwittm...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 as we had changed our 'project name' from OpenOffice.org to Apache
 OpenOffice it makes sense to reflect this change also in our source and the
 product based on our source.
 We had already made some basic and limited renaming - start center, splash
 screen, ... -, but it is not complete.


A question: Will this renaming effort also change library/modules
names at a lower level, so we can more cleanly install as an
independent app where LibreOffice has hijacked the old names?

-Rob


 May be you remember Armin's work on it for our AOO 3.4 (incubating) release
 on branch alg/install. As Armin figured out that the change would be too
 risky, we decided to postpone this name adaption to the next major release.
 Thus, I decided to pick up this issue with the goal to solve it for our next
 coming major release.

 As there are certain different usages of the name and its variants - e.g.,
 visible name of the product, name of the installation directory, ... - which
 impacts quite different areas of our project help is very welcome here.

 I will start with investigating Armin's work and documenting the different
 usages.

 Best regards, Oliver.


Re: Adapt the naming of our project deliverables - OpenOffice.org -- Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-17 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 7:04 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
 orwittm...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 as we had changed our 'project name' from OpenOffice.org to Apache
 OpenOffice it makes sense to reflect this change also in our source and the
 product based on our source.
 We had already made some basic and limited renaming - start center, splash
 screen, ... -, but it is not complete.


 A question: Will this renaming effort also change library/modules
 names at a lower level, so we can more cleanly install as an
 independent app where LibreOffice has hijacked the old names?


Sorry, if not clear I'm talking about Linux installs.

 -Rob


 May be you remember Armin's work on it for our AOO 3.4 (incubating) release
 on branch alg/install. As Armin figured out that the change would be too
 risky, we decided to postpone this name adaption to the next major release.
 Thus, I decided to pick up this issue with the goal to solve it for our next
 coming major release.

 As there are certain different usages of the name and its variants - e.g.,
 visible name of the product, name of the installation directory, ... - which
 impacts quite different areas of our project help is very welcome here.

 I will start with investigating Armin's work and documenting the different
 usages.

 Best regards, Oliver.


Re: Adapt the naming of our project deliverables - OpenOffice.org -- Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-17 Thread Andrew Rist


On 1/17/2013 2:45 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 2:23 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann 
orwittm...@googlemail.com wrote:


Hi,

I have finished the renaming from OpenOffice.org to Apache OpenOffice
- see issue 121388.

Beside corresponding changes in the user interface this change has impact
on the following important and critical stuff:
- folder/directory names
- package names
- Windows registry key names and values
- ...

As the folder/directory path to the user profile is also changed, the user
profile of a former installed AOO (or OOo) version is not taken over.

If possible, please review the changes in your environment/platform.
I am asking especially our community members working on the BSD platform,
Solaris platform and OS/2 platform to have a deeper look.

minor note:
We are still on version number 3.5.0.
I will work on issue 119977 to adapt the version number to 4.0. I think
I will provide the corresponding patch soon, but I will wait with the
integration in order to have enough time for testing the renaming to
Apache OpenOffice.


Best regards, Oliver.


I have a quick question but the issue seems to answer this.

This should be included in buildbot output for trunk currently, correct?

Given Juergen's recent message about tag SNAPSHOT, I'm a bit confused.

The buildbot output for linux-32-nightly is working and thus should have
output, but the one for linux-32-snapshot is broken.


The snapshot is running on a different box (well, different vm), and I 
think I have something I still need to fix on the new vm.
Nightly is running ubuntu 12.04 and snapshot is on ubuntu 10.04. Thus 
the snapshot should create 'better' install packages ...


A.








On 23.11.2012 13:04, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:


Hi,

as we had changed our 'project name' from OpenOffice.org to Apache
OpenOffice it makes sense to reflect this change also in our source and
the
product based on our source.
We had already made some basic and limited renaming - start center, splash
screen, ... -, but it is not complete.

May be you remember Armin's work on it for our AOO 3.4 (incubating)
release on
branch alg/install. As Armin figured out that the change would be too
risky, we
decided to postpone this name adaption to the next major release.
Thus, I decided to pick up this issue with the goal to solve it for our
next
coming major release.

As there are certain different usages of the name and its variants - e.g.,
visible name of the product, name of the installation directory, ... -
which
impacts quite different areas of our project help is very welcome here.

I will start with investigating Armin's work and documenting the
different usages.

Best regards, Oliver.







Re: Adapt the naming of our project deliverables - OpenOffice.org -- Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-15 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann

Hi,

On 11.01.2013 15:06, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:

On 1/10/13 3:56 PM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

Hi,

On 10.01.2013 11:55, Rony G. Flatscher wrote:

Hi Oliver-Rainer,

On 10.01.2013 11:23, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

I have finished the renaming from OpenOffice.org to Apache
OpenOffice - see issue 121388.

Beside corresponding changes in the user interface this change has
impact on the following
important and critical stuff:
- folder/directory names
- package names
- Windows registry key names and values
- ...

As the folder/directory path to the user profile is also changed, the
user profile of a former
installed AOO (or OOo) version is not taken over.

for installation script purposes of add-ons etc., where can one find
the concrete strings for
folder/directory names on the various operating system platforms and
the Windows registry key names
and values?



Unfortunately, there is no single place in the source code. I also had
not the resources to clean this up during the renaming work - hint,
hint, hint :-)

Please have a look at issue 121388, the wiki page referenced in one of
the issue's comments and the intrinsic changes I have made.

The product installation folder is more or less a form of the
$PRODUCTNAME + [major version number]. E.g.:
- Windows: Apache OpenOffice 3
- Linux: apache_openoffice3
On Linux platforms we have also the basis installation folder. It name
is found in /main/instsetoo_native/util/openoffice.lst

The user profile folder is more or less $PRODUCTNAME/[major version
number]/

The Windows registry keys and values can be found in module main/scp2/

I hope that helps a little bit.


I was thinking about the name and here I mean the name that is used for
the folder etc. The name is used in the help, in tools option, in the
menu...

We changed OpenOffice.org to Apache OpenOffice so good so far. But
would it be nicer to shorten the folder, menu entries, ... to simply
OpenOffice

Folders
Linux: /opt/openoffice4
Mac: OpenOffice.app
Windows: OpenOffice 4

Tools Option
OpenOffice
OpenOffice Writer
OpenOffice ...

Help
OpenOffice instead of hundreds of Apache OpenOffice

The idea is that the project and product is called Apache OpenOffice but
in practice we would use in the product the short from OpenOffice. The
intro, start center, about can of course use images where we use Apache
OpenOffice.

Well it's just an idea and I know it would require some further work but
now would be the time for it. I believe legally should it be ok today
but it have to checked to be safe.

What's your opinion?



It looks like that Jürgen's suggestion does not get any objections, quite the 
contrary happened.
Thus, if nobody objects I will reopen issue 121388 and work on it to adapt the 
naming as suggested by Jürgen.


Best regards, Oliver.


Re: Adapt the naming of our project deliverables - OpenOffice.org -- Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-15 Thread Dave Fisher

On Jan 14, 2013, at 2:46 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

 Hi,
 
 On 12.01.2013 00:39, Dave Fisher wrote:
 
 On Jan 11, 2013, at 12:05 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
 
 Am 01/11/2013 03:06 PM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:
 On 1/10/13 3:56 PM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
 Hi,
 
 On 10.01.2013 11:55, Rony G. Flatscher wrote:
 Hi Oliver-Rainer,
 
 On 10.01.2013 11:23, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
 I have finished the renaming from OpenOffice.org to Apache
 OpenOffice - see issue 121388.
 
 Beside corresponding changes in the user interface this change has
 impact on the following important and critical stuff: -
 folder/directory names - package names - Windows registry key names
 and values - ...
 
 As the folder/directory path to the user profile is also changed,
 the user profile of a former installed AOO (or OOo) version is not
 taken over.
 for installation script purposes of add-ons etc., where can one find
 the concrete strings for folder/directory names on the various
 operating system platforms and the Windows registry key names and
 values?
 
 
 Unfortunately, there is no single place in the source code. I also had
 not the resources to clean this up during the renaming work - hint,
 hint, hint :-)
 
 Please have a look at issue 121388, the wiki page referenced in one of
 the issue's comments and the intrinsic changes I have made.
 
 The product installation folder is more or less a form of the
 $PRODUCTNAME + [major version number]. E.g.: - Windows: Apache
 OpenOffice 3 - Linux: apache_openoffice3 On Linux platforms we have
 also the basis installation folder. It name is found in
 /main/instsetoo_native/util/openoffice.lst
 
 The user profile folder is more or less $PRODUCTNAME/[major version
 number]/
 
 The Windows registry keys and values can be found in module main/scp2/
 
 I hope that helps a little bit.
 
 I was thinking about the name and here I mean the name that is used for
 the folder etc. The name is used in the help, in tools option, in the
 menu...
 
 We changed OpenOffice.org to Apache OpenOffice so good so far. But
 would it be nicer to shorten the folder, menu entries, ... to simply
 OpenOffice
 
 Folders Linux: /opt/openoffice4 Mac: OpenOffice.app Windows: OpenOffice
 4
 
 Tools Option OpenOffice OpenOffice Writer OpenOffice ...
 
 Help OpenOffice instead of hundreds of Apache OpenOffice
 
 The idea is that the project and product is called Apache OpenOffice but
 in practice we would use in the product the short from OpenOffice. The
 intro, start center, about can of course use images where we use Apache
 OpenOffice.
 
 Well it's just an idea and I know it would require some further work but
 now would be the time for it. I believe legally should it be ok today but
 it have to checked to be safe.
 
 What's your opinion?
 
 In general a very good idea: Shorter menu entries, etc. and a higher
 attention of the open source product.
 
 And yes, we should get this clarified from trademarks@.
 
 If it is called Apache OpenOffice software or product on first use on certain
 pages then it is permissible to use short forms like OpenOffice in various
 places. There is no trouble with that approach. Look at the Apache Hadoop
 project's home page - http://hadoop.apache.org/
 
 We should make sure that somewhere we use OpenOffice.org ® for the link to
 the website to preserve that trademark in certain jurisdictions.
 
 
 As you might have seen, I also changed OpenOffice.org website to Apache 
 OpenOffice website in some place of the help content.
 
 Dave, do you think we should keep OpenOffice.org in such cases?

In order to preserve registered trademark in places like China we have to have 
places where we show and use OpenOffice.org®.

Using that for the website is one easy and important way to do that.

Is there room for a phase like The Apache OpenOffice product website at 
OpenOffice.org®?

We should likely include this in the footer in the website. Probably this needs 
to be a full discussion under its own topic.

Regards,
Dave

 
 Best regards, Oliver.



Re: Adapt the naming of our project deliverables - OpenOffice.org -- Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-15 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:

 On Jan 14, 2013, at 2:46 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

 Hi,

 On 12.01.2013 00:39, Dave Fisher wrote:

 On Jan 11, 2013, at 12:05 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:

 Am 01/11/2013 03:06 PM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:
 On 1/10/13 3:56 PM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
 Hi,

 On 10.01.2013 11:55, Rony G. Flatscher wrote:
 Hi Oliver-Rainer,

 On 10.01.2013 11:23, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
 I have finished the renaming from OpenOffice.org to Apache
 OpenOffice - see issue 121388.

 Beside corresponding changes in the user interface this change has
 impact on the following important and critical stuff: -
 folder/directory names - package names - Windows registry key names
 and values - ...

 As the folder/directory path to the user profile is also changed,
 the user profile of a former installed AOO (or OOo) version is not
 taken over.
 for installation script purposes of add-ons etc., where can one find
 the concrete strings for folder/directory names on the various
 operating system platforms and the Windows registry key names and
 values?


 Unfortunately, there is no single place in the source code. I also had
 not the resources to clean this up during the renaming work - hint,
 hint, hint :-)

 Please have a look at issue 121388, the wiki page referenced in one of
 the issue's comments and the intrinsic changes I have made.

 The product installation folder is more or less a form of the
 $PRODUCTNAME + [major version number]. E.g.: - Windows: Apache
 OpenOffice 3 - Linux: apache_openoffice3 On Linux platforms we have
 also the basis installation folder. It name is found in
 /main/instsetoo_native/util/openoffice.lst

 The user profile folder is more or less $PRODUCTNAME/[major version
 number]/

 The Windows registry keys and values can be found in module main/scp2/

 I hope that helps a little bit.

 I was thinking about the name and here I mean the name that is used for
 the folder etc. The name is used in the help, in tools option, in the
 menu...

 We changed OpenOffice.org to Apache OpenOffice so good so far. But
 would it be nicer to shorten the folder, menu entries, ... to simply
 OpenOffice

 Folders Linux: /opt/openoffice4 Mac: OpenOffice.app Windows: OpenOffice
 4

 Tools Option OpenOffice OpenOffice Writer OpenOffice ...

 Help OpenOffice instead of hundreds of Apache OpenOffice

 The idea is that the project and product is called Apache OpenOffice but
 in practice we would use in the product the short from OpenOffice. The
 intro, start center, about can of course use images where we use Apache
 OpenOffice.

 Well it's just an idea and I know it would require some further work but
 now would be the time for it. I believe legally should it be ok today but
 it have to checked to be safe.

 What's your opinion?

 In general a very good idea: Shorter menu entries, etc. and a higher
 attention of the open source product.

 And yes, we should get this clarified from trademarks@.

 If it is called Apache OpenOffice software or product on first use on 
 certain
 pages then it is permissible to use short forms like OpenOffice in various
 places. There is no trouble with that approach. Look at the Apache Hadoop
 project's home page - http://hadoop.apache.org/

 We should make sure that somewhere we use OpenOffice.org ® for the link to
 the website to preserve that trademark in certain jurisdictions.


 As you might have seen, I also changed OpenOffice.org website to Apache 
 OpenOffice website in some place of the help content.

 Dave, do you think we should keep OpenOffice.org in such cases?

 In order to preserve registered trademark in places like China we have to 
 have places where we show and use OpenOffice.org®.

 Using that for the website is one easy and important way to do that.

 Is there room for a phase like The Apache OpenOffice product website at 
 OpenOffice.org®?


That won't work.  The trademark is registered as:

Computer software for use in database management, for use as a
spreadsheet, for word processing, that may be downloaded from a global
computer network; computer programs, namely, presentation graphics
programs, that may be downloaded from a global computer network;
software for processing images, graphics and text, that may be
downloaded from a global computer network; software for typesetting of
equations and formulae, that may be downloaded from a global computer
network.

We cannot properly use it as a trademark for a website.  Or at least
using it for the website does not count as continued use of the
trademark as registered.

But isn't it sufficient that we still distribute and support
OpenOffice.org 3.3.0 and earlier?  We still get downloads for earlier
versions.  Our website and forums still deal with earlier versions (in
addition to AOO).  So OpenOffice.org is a trademark still in use by
us.

Regards,

-Rob

 We should likely include this in the footer in the website. Probably this 
 needs to be a 

Re: Adapt the naming of our project deliverables - OpenOffice.org -- Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-14 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann

Hi,

On 11.01.2013 15:06, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:

On 1/10/13 3:56 PM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

Hi,

On 10.01.2013 11:55, Rony G. Flatscher wrote:

Hi Oliver-Rainer,

On 10.01.2013 11:23, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

I have finished the renaming from OpenOffice.org to Apache
OpenOffice - see issue 121388.

Beside corresponding changes in the user interface this change has
impact on the following
important and critical stuff:
- folder/directory names
- package names
- Windows registry key names and values
- ...

As the folder/directory path to the user profile is also changed, the
user profile of a former
installed AOO (or OOo) version is not taken over.

for installation script purposes of add-ons etc., where can one find
the concrete strings for
folder/directory names on the various operating system platforms and
the Windows registry key names
and values?



Unfortunately, there is no single place in the source code. I also had
not the resources to clean this up during the renaming work - hint,
hint, hint :-)

Please have a look at issue 121388, the wiki page referenced in one of
the issue's comments and the intrinsic changes I have made.

The product installation folder is more or less a form of the
$PRODUCTNAME + [major version number]. E.g.:
- Windows: Apache OpenOffice 3
- Linux: apache_openoffice3
On Linux platforms we have also the basis installation folder. It name
is found in /main/instsetoo_native/util/openoffice.lst

The user profile folder is more or less $PRODUCTNAME/[major version
number]/

The Windows registry keys and values can be found in module main/scp2/

I hope that helps a little bit.


I was thinking about the name and here I mean the name that is used for
the folder etc. The name is used in the help, in tools option, in the
menu...

We changed OpenOffice.org to Apache OpenOffice so good so far. But
would it be nicer to shorten the folder, menu entries, ... to simply
OpenOffice

Folders
Linux: /opt/openoffice4
Mac: OpenOffice.app
Windows: OpenOffice 4

Tools Option
OpenOffice
OpenOffice Writer
OpenOffice ...

Help
OpenOffice instead of hundreds of Apache OpenOffice

The idea is that the project and product is called Apache OpenOffice but
in practice we would use in the product the short from OpenOffice. The
intro, start center, about can of course use images where we use Apache
OpenOffice.

Well it's just an idea and I know it would require some further work but
now would be the time for it. I believe legally should it be ok today
but it have to checked to be safe.

What's your opinion?



I think this is a good idea.
I think other Apache project do the same - as Dave already pointed out.

When I did the intrinsic renaming I was not making up my mind too deeply. I had 
more concerns on finishing the renaming ;-)


I would volunteer to provide a patch for adapting the naming from Apache 
OpenOffice to OpenOffice.



Best regards, Oliver.


Re: Adapt the naming of our project deliverables - OpenOffice.org -- Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-14 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann

Hi,

On 12.01.2013 00:39, Dave Fisher wrote:


On Jan 11, 2013, at 12:05 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:


Am 01/11/2013 03:06 PM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:

On 1/10/13 3:56 PM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

Hi,

On 10.01.2013 11:55, Rony G. Flatscher wrote:

Hi Oliver-Rainer,

On 10.01.2013 11:23, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

I have finished the renaming from OpenOffice.org to Apache
OpenOffice - see issue 121388.

Beside corresponding changes in the user interface this change has
impact on the following important and critical stuff: -
folder/directory names - package names - Windows registry key names
and values - ...

As the folder/directory path to the user profile is also changed,
the user profile of a former installed AOO (or OOo) version is not
taken over.

for installation script purposes of add-ons etc., where can one find
the concrete strings for folder/directory names on the various
operating system platforms and the Windows registry key names and
values?



Unfortunately, there is no single place in the source code. I also had
not the resources to clean this up during the renaming work - hint,
hint, hint :-)

Please have a look at issue 121388, the wiki page referenced in one of
the issue's comments and the intrinsic changes I have made.

The product installation folder is more or less a form of the
$PRODUCTNAME + [major version number]. E.g.: - Windows: Apache
OpenOffice 3 - Linux: apache_openoffice3 On Linux platforms we have
also the basis installation folder. It name is found in
/main/instsetoo_native/util/openoffice.lst

The user profile folder is more or less $PRODUCTNAME/[major version
number]/

The Windows registry keys and values can be found in module main/scp2/

I hope that helps a little bit.


I was thinking about the name and here I mean the name that is used for
the folder etc. The name is used in the help, in tools option, in the
menu...

We changed OpenOffice.org to Apache OpenOffice so good so far. But
would it be nicer to shorten the folder, menu entries, ... to simply
OpenOffice

Folders Linux: /opt/openoffice4 Mac: OpenOffice.app Windows: OpenOffice
4

Tools Option OpenOffice OpenOffice Writer OpenOffice ...

Help OpenOffice instead of hundreds of Apache OpenOffice

The idea is that the project and product is called Apache OpenOffice but
in practice we would use in the product the short from OpenOffice. The
intro, start center, about can of course use images where we use Apache
OpenOffice.

Well it's just an idea and I know it would require some further work but
now would be the time for it. I believe legally should it be ok today but
it have to checked to be safe.

What's your opinion?


In general a very good idea: Shorter menu entries, etc. and a higher
attention of the open source product.

And yes, we should get this clarified from trademarks@.


If it is called Apache OpenOffice software or product on first use on certain
pages then it is permissible to use short forms like OpenOffice in various
places. There is no trouble with that approach. Look at the Apache Hadoop
project's home page - http://hadoop.apache.org/

We should make sure that somewhere we use OpenOffice.org ® for the link to
the website to preserve that trademark in certain jurisdictions.



As you might have seen, I also changed OpenOffice.org website to Apache 
OpenOffice website in some place of the help content.


Dave, do you think we should keep OpenOffice.org in such cases?

Best regards, Oliver.


Re: Adapt the naming of our project deliverables - OpenOffice.org -- Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-13 Thread Marcus (OOo)

Am 01/12/2013 12:39 AM, schrieb Dave Fisher:


On Jan 11, 2013, at 12:05 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:


Am 01/11/2013 03:06 PM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:

On 1/10/13 3:56 PM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

Hi,

On 10.01.2013 11:55, Rony G. Flatscher wrote:

Hi Oliver-Rainer,

On 10.01.2013 11:23, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

I have finished the renaming from OpenOffice.org to Apache
OpenOffice - see issue 121388.

Beside corresponding changes in the user interface this change has
impact on the following
important and critical stuff:
- folder/directory names
- package names
- Windows registry key names and values
- ...

As the folder/directory path to the user profile is also changed, the
user profile of a former
installed AOO (or OOo) version is not taken over.

for installation script purposes of add-ons etc., where can one find
the concrete strings for
folder/directory names on the various operating system platforms and
the Windows registry key names
and values?



Unfortunately, there is no single place in the source code. I also had
not the resources to clean this up during the renaming work - hint,
hint, hint :-)

Please have a look at issue 121388, the wiki page referenced in one of
the issue's comments and the intrinsic changes I have made.

The product installation folder is more or less a form of the
$PRODUCTNAME + [major version number]. E.g.:
- Windows: Apache OpenOffice 3
- Linux: apache_openoffice3
On Linux platforms we have also the basis installation folder. It name
is found in /main/instsetoo_native/util/openoffice.lst

The user profile folder is more or less $PRODUCTNAME/[major version
number]/

The Windows registry keys and values can be found in module main/scp2/

I hope that helps a little bit.


I was thinking about the name and here I mean the name that is used for
the folder etc. The name is used in the help, in tools option, in the
menu...

We changed OpenOffice.org to Apache OpenOffice so good so far. But
would it be nicer to shorten the folder, menu entries, ... to simply
OpenOffice

Folders
Linux: /opt/openoffice4
Mac: OpenOffice.app
Windows: OpenOffice 4

Tools Option
OpenOffice
OpenOffice Writer
OpenOffice ...

Help
OpenOffice instead of hundreds of Apache OpenOffice

The idea is that the project and product is called Apache OpenOffice but
in practice we would use in the product the short from OpenOffice. The
intro, start center, about can of course use images where we use Apache
OpenOffice.

Well it's just an idea and I know it would require some further work but
now would be the time for it. I believe legally should it be ok today
but it have to checked to be safe.

What's your opinion?


In general a very good idea: Shorter menu entries, etc. and a higher attention 
of the open source product.

And yes, we should get this clarified from trademarks@.


If it is called Apache OpenOffice software or product on first use on certain 
pages then it is permissible to use short forms like OpenOffice in various 
places. There is no trouble with that approach. Look at the Apache Hadoop 
project's home page - http://hadoop.apache.org/


That's fine. Maybe the problem is that I'm still a bit burned from 
results that happened in the past. Even with a big name like Sun 
Microsystems in the back it was not possible to reolve legal problems to 
use OpenOffice in the world. And for the commercial product 
StarOffice it was not possible to use this name in the Asian market, 
here the name was StarSuite for many years.


Sorry if I'm a bit too paranoid. ;-)


We should make sure that somewhere we use OpenOffice.org ® for the link to the 
website to preserve that trademark in certain jurisdictions.


Right.

Marcus



Re: Adapt the naming of our project deliverables - OpenOffice.org -- Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-11 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann

Hi,

On 10.01.2013 17:08, Rony G. Flatscher (Apache) wrote:


On 10.01.2013 15:56, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

Hi,

On 10.01.2013 11:55, Rony G. Flatscher wrote:

Hi Oliver-Rainer,

On 10.01.2013 11:23, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

I have finished the renaming from OpenOffice.org to Apache OpenOffice - see 
issue 121388.

Beside corresponding changes in the user interface this change has impact on 
the following
important and critical stuff:
- folder/directory names
- package names
- Windows registry key names and values
- ...

As the folder/directory path to the user profile is also changed, the user 
profile of a former
installed AOO (or OOo) version is not taken over.

for installation script purposes of add-ons etc., where can one find the 
concrete strings for
folder/directory names on the various operating system platforms and the 
Windows registry key names
and values?



Unfortunately, there is no single place in the source code. I also had not the 
resources to clean
this up during the renaming work - hint, hint, hint :-)

Please have a look at issue 121388, the wiki page referenced in one of the 
issue's comments and
the intrinsic changes I have made.

The product installation folder is more or less a form of the $PRODUCTNAME + 
[major version
number]. E.g.:
- Windows: Apache OpenOffice 3
- Linux: apache_openoffice3
On Linux platforms we have also the basis installation folder. It name is found 
in
/main/instsetoo_native/util/openoffice.lst

The user profile folder is more or less $PRODUCTNAME/[major version number]/

The Windows registry keys and values can be found in module main/scp2/

I hope that helps a little bit.

Thank you very much Oliver, that definitely helps already!

Though because of your hints to modules, what would be the best tool to locate 
them in your version
of AOO via the Internet to learn about the concrete strings for the Linux basis 
installation folder,
the profile folder, and especially the Windows registry keys and values?



I am not sure, if I got you right.
I assume that you want to know the best tool to locate the corresponding 
folders of an actual installation of AOO.
I have no tool at hand - I am just looking manually in folders which typically 
contain application installations and application settings on the different 
platforms.


Best regards, Oliver.


Re: Adapt the naming of our project deliverables - OpenOffice.org -- Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-11 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 1/10/13 3:56 PM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
 Hi,

 On 10.01.2013 11:55, Rony G. Flatscher wrote:
 Hi Oliver-Rainer,

 On 10.01.2013 11:23, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
 I have finished the renaming from OpenOffice.org to Apache
 OpenOffice - see issue 121388.

 Beside corresponding changes in the user interface this change has
 impact on the following
 important and critical stuff:
 - folder/directory names
 - package names
 - Windows registry key names and values
 - ...

 As the folder/directory path to the user profile is also changed, the
 user profile of a former
 installed AOO (or OOo) version is not taken over.
 for installation script purposes of add-ons etc., where can one find
 the concrete strings for
 folder/directory names on the various operating system platforms and
 the Windows registry key names
 and values?


 Unfortunately, there is no single place in the source code. I also had
 not the resources to clean this up during the renaming work - hint,
 hint, hint :-)

 Please have a look at issue 121388, the wiki page referenced in one of
 the issue's comments and the intrinsic changes I have made.

 The product installation folder is more or less a form of the
 $PRODUCTNAME + [major version number]. E.g.:
 - Windows: Apache OpenOffice 3
 - Linux: apache_openoffice3
 On Linux platforms we have also the basis installation folder. It name
 is found in /main/instsetoo_native/util/openoffice.lst

 The user profile folder is more or less $PRODUCTNAME/[major version
 number]/

 The Windows registry keys and values can be found in module main/scp2/

 I hope that helps a little bit.

 I was thinking about the name and here I mean the name that is used for
 the folder etc. The name is used in the help, in tools option, in the
 menu...

 We changed OpenOffice.org to Apache OpenOffice so good so far. But
 would it be nicer to shorten the folder, menu entries, ... to simply
 OpenOffice

 Folders
 Linux: /opt/openoffice4
 Mac: OpenOffice.app
 Windows: OpenOffice 4


or even OpenOffice4, avoiding a space in the directory name, a source
of much pain in Windows.

-Rob

 Tools Option
 OpenOffice
 OpenOffice Writer
 OpenOffice ...

 Help
 OpenOffice instead of hundreds of Apache OpenOffice

 The idea is that the project and product is called Apache OpenOffice but
 in practice we would use in the product the short from OpenOffice. The
 intro, start center, about can of course use images where we use Apache
 OpenOffice.

 Well it's just an idea and I know it would require some further work but
 now would be the time for it. I believe legally should it be ok today
 but it have to checked to be safe.

 What's your opinion?

 Juergen







Re: Adapt the naming of our project deliverables - OpenOffice.org -- Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-11 Thread Marcus (OOo)

Am 01/11/2013 03:31 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:

On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Jürgen Schmidtjogischm...@gmail.com  wrote:

On 1/10/13 3:56 PM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

Hi,

On 10.01.2013 11:55, Rony G. Flatscher wrote:

Hi Oliver-Rainer,

On 10.01.2013 11:23, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

I have finished the renaming from OpenOffice.org to Apache
OpenOffice - see issue 121388.

Beside corresponding changes in the user interface this change has
impact on the following
important and critical stuff:
- folder/directory names
- package names
- Windows registry key names and values
- ...

As the folder/directory path to the user profile is also changed, the
user profile of a former
installed AOO (or OOo) version is not taken over.

for installation script purposes of add-ons etc., where can one find
the concrete strings for
folder/directory names on the various operating system platforms and
the Windows registry key names
and values?



Unfortunately, there is no single place in the source code. I also had
not the resources to clean this up during the renaming work - hint,
hint, hint :-)

Please have a look at issue 121388, the wiki page referenced in one of
the issue's comments and the intrinsic changes I have made.

The product installation folder is more or less a form of the
$PRODUCTNAME + [major version number]. E.g.:
- Windows: Apache OpenOffice 3
- Linux: apache_openoffice3
On Linux platforms we have also the basis installation folder. It name
is found in /main/instsetoo_native/util/openoffice.lst

The user profile folder is more or less $PRODUCTNAME/[major version
number]/

The Windows registry keys and values can be found in module main/scp2/

I hope that helps a little bit.


I was thinking about the name and here I mean the name that is used for
the folder etc. The name is used in the help, in tools option, in the
menu...

We changed OpenOffice.org to Apache OpenOffice so good so far. But
would it be nicer to shorten the folder, menu entries, ... to simply
OpenOffice

Folders
Linux: /opt/openoffice4
Mac: OpenOffice.app
Windows: OpenOffice 4



or even OpenOffice4, avoiding a space in the directory name, a source
of much pain in Windows.


even when I nearly don't use any Windows, I support to prevent any error 
prone file and directory naming - which was proven many time in the 
past, IMHO.


Marcus




Tools Option
OpenOffice
OpenOffice Writer
OpenOffice ...

Help
OpenOffice instead of hundreds of Apache OpenOffice

The idea is that the project and product is called Apache OpenOffice but
in practice we would use in the product the short from OpenOffice. The
intro, start center, about can of course use images where we use Apache
OpenOffice.

Well it's just an idea and I know it would require some further work but
now would be the time for it. I believe legally should it be ok today
but it have to checked to be safe.

What's your opinion?

Juergen


Re: Adapt the naming of our project deliverables - OpenOffice.org -- Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-11 Thread Marcus (OOo)

Am 01/11/2013 03:06 PM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:

On 1/10/13 3:56 PM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

Hi,

On 10.01.2013 11:55, Rony G. Flatscher wrote:

Hi Oliver-Rainer,

On 10.01.2013 11:23, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

I have finished the renaming from OpenOffice.org to Apache
OpenOffice - see issue 121388.

Beside corresponding changes in the user interface this change has
impact on the following
important and critical stuff:
- folder/directory names
- package names
- Windows registry key names and values
- ...

As the folder/directory path to the user profile is also changed, the
user profile of a former
installed AOO (or OOo) version is not taken over.

for installation script purposes of add-ons etc., where can one find
the concrete strings for
folder/directory names on the various operating system platforms and
the Windows registry key names
and values?



Unfortunately, there is no single place in the source code. I also had
not the resources to clean this up during the renaming work - hint,
hint, hint :-)

Please have a look at issue 121388, the wiki page referenced in one of
the issue's comments and the intrinsic changes I have made.

The product installation folder is more or less a form of the
$PRODUCTNAME + [major version number]. E.g.:
- Windows: Apache OpenOffice 3
- Linux: apache_openoffice3
On Linux platforms we have also the basis installation folder. It name
is found in /main/instsetoo_native/util/openoffice.lst

The user profile folder is more or less $PRODUCTNAME/[major version
number]/

The Windows registry keys and values can be found in module main/scp2/

I hope that helps a little bit.


I was thinking about the name and here I mean the name that is used for
the folder etc. The name is used in the help, in tools option, in the
menu...

We changed OpenOffice.org to Apache OpenOffice so good so far. But
would it be nicer to shorten the folder, menu entries, ... to simply
OpenOffice

Folders
Linux: /opt/openoffice4
Mac: OpenOffice.app
Windows: OpenOffice 4

Tools Option
OpenOffice
OpenOffice Writer
OpenOffice ...

Help
OpenOffice instead of hundreds of Apache OpenOffice

The idea is that the project and product is called Apache OpenOffice but
in practice we would use in the product the short from OpenOffice. The
intro, start center, about can of course use images where we use Apache
OpenOffice.

Well it's just an idea and I know it would require some further work but
now would be the time for it. I believe legally should it be ok today
but it have to checked to be safe.

What's your opinion?


In general a very good idea: Shorter menu entries, etc. and a higher 
attention of the open source product.


And yes, we should get this clarified from trademarks@.

Marcus



Re: Adapt the naming of our project deliverables - OpenOffice.org -- Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-10 Thread Rony G. Flatscher (Apache)
Hi Oliver-Rainer,

On 10.01.2013 11:23, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
 I have finished the renaming from OpenOffice.org to Apache OpenOffice - 
 see issue 121388.

 Beside corresponding changes in the user interface this change has impact on 
 the following
 important and critical stuff:
 - folder/directory names
 - package names
 - Windows registry key names and values
 - ...

 As the folder/directory path to the user profile is also changed, the user 
 profile of a former
 installed AOO (or OOo) version is not taken over.
for installation script purposes of add-ons etc., where can one find the 
concrete strings for
folder/directory names on the various operating system platforms and the 
Windows registry key names
and values?

TIA,

---rony




Re: Adapt the naming of our project deliverables - OpenOffice.org -- Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-10 Thread Rony G. Flatscher
Hi Oliver-Rainer,

On 10.01.2013 11:23, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
 I have finished the renaming from OpenOffice.org to Apache OpenOffice - 
 see issue 121388.

 Beside corresponding changes in the user interface this change has impact on 
 the following
 important and critical stuff:
 - folder/directory names
 - package names
 - Windows registry key names and values
 - ...

 As the folder/directory path to the user profile is also changed, the user 
 profile of a former
 installed AOO (or OOo) version is not taken over.
for installation script purposes of add-ons etc., where can one find the 
concrete strings for
folder/directory names on the various operating system platforms and the 
Windows registry key names
and values?

TIA,

---rony




Re: Adapt the naming of our project deliverables - OpenOffice.org -- Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-10 Thread Rony G. Flatscher (Apache)

On 10.01.2013 15:56, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
 Hi,

 On 10.01.2013 11:55, Rony G. Flatscher wrote:
 Hi Oliver-Rainer,

 On 10.01.2013 11:23, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
 I have finished the renaming from OpenOffice.org to Apache OpenOffice - 
 see issue 121388.

 Beside corresponding changes in the user interface this change has impact 
 on the following
 important and critical stuff:
 - folder/directory names
 - package names
 - Windows registry key names and values
 - ...

 As the folder/directory path to the user profile is also changed, the user 
 profile of a former
 installed AOO (or OOo) version is not taken over.
 for installation script purposes of add-ons etc., where can one find the 
 concrete strings for
 folder/directory names on the various operating system platforms and the 
 Windows registry key names
 and values?


 Unfortunately, there is no single place in the source code. I also had not 
 the resources to clean
 this up during the renaming work - hint, hint, hint :-)

 Please have a look at issue 121388, the wiki page referenced in one of the 
 issue's comments and
 the intrinsic changes I have made.

 The product installation folder is more or less a form of the $PRODUCTNAME + 
 [major version
 number]. E.g.:
 - Windows: Apache OpenOffice 3
 - Linux: apache_openoffice3
 On Linux platforms we have also the basis installation folder. It name is 
 found in
 /main/instsetoo_native/util/openoffice.lst

 The user profile folder is more or less $PRODUCTNAME/[major version number]/

 The Windows registry keys and values can be found in module main/scp2/

 I hope that helps a little bit.
Thank you very much Oliver, that definitely helps already!

Though because of your hints to modules, what would be the best tool to locate 
them in your version
of AOO via the Internet to learn about the concrete strings for the Linux basis 
installation folder,
the profile folder, and especially the Windows registry keys and values?

Best regards,

---rony





[Review Request] Re: Adapt the naming of our project deliverables - OpenOffice.org -- Apache OpenOffice

2012-12-21 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann

Hi,

I have finished my work regarding the adaption of the naming - see patch at 
issue 121388 [1].


The patch also contains the renaming of the installation directories and the 
package names. Thus, please try out this patch in your environment.


[1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121388


Best regards, Oliver.

P.S.: I will relax a little bit in the next two weeks - means a longer reaction 
time on my side.


On 12.12.2012 11:03, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

Hi,

On 23.11.2012 15:03, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

Hi,

On 23.11.2012 13:04, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

Hi,

as we had changed our 'project name' from OpenOffice.org to Apache
OpenOffice it makes sense to reflect this change also in our source and the
product based on our source.
We had already made some basic and limited renaming - start center, splash
screen, ... -, but it is not complete.

May be you remember Armin's work on it for our AOO 3.4 (incubating) release on
branch alg/install. As Armin figured out that the change would be too risky, we
decided to postpone this name adaption to the next major release.
Thus, I decided to pick up this issue with the goal to solve it for our next
coming major release.

As there are certain different usages of the name and its variants - e.g.,
visible name of the product, name of the installation directory, ... - which
impacts quite different areas of our project help is very welcome here.

I will start with investigating Armin's work and documenting the different
usages.



I have submit issue 121388 [1] for this task.

[1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121388




I searched for string OpenOffice.org (and its variants) in our source code.
I documented my findings in the wiki [1].
There are still some question marks and I will continue to fill these gaps.
Anybody interested in this area is welcome to help or to just have a look and
provide feedback.
I will document the changes also in the wiki.

Best regards, Oliver.


[1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Name_the_beast


Re: Adapt the naming of our project deliverables - OpenOffice.org -- Apache OpenOffice

2012-11-23 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann

Hi,

On 23.11.2012 13:04, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

Hi,

as we had changed our 'project name' from OpenOffice.org to Apache
OpenOffice it makes sense to reflect this change also in our source and the
product based on our source.
We had already made some basic and limited renaming - start center, splash
screen, ... -, but it is not complete.

May be you remember Armin's work on it for our AOO 3.4 (incubating) release on
branch alg/install. As Armin figured out that the change would be too risky, we
decided to postpone this name adaption to the next major release.
Thus, I decided to pick up this issue with the goal to solve it for our next
coming major release.

As there are certain different usages of the name and its variants - e.g.,
visible name of the product, name of the installation directory, ... - which
impacts quite different areas of our project help is very welcome here.

I will start with investigating Armin's work and documenting the different 
usages.



I have submit issue 121388 [1] for this task.

[1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121388


Best regards, Oliver.