Re: Portable versions list updated

[Hagar Delest]

I use the WinPenPack version on Windows 7 at work (have installed it very soon 
after 4.1.2 was released, they were very quick for porting it).

I remember having troubles with bootstraping it so that it uses my legacy 
profile in my documents. They may have changed the file to be edited. I've kept 
the details if someone is interested.
The only glitch is that it doesn't record the recent files. Surely linked to 
the fact that I don't use the local profile of the portable install folder. Not 
a big deal for me.

Hagar


Le 26/12/2015 14:19, Andrea Pescetti a écrit :

Since both PortableApps and WinPenPack have now updated their offering to 
include a portable version of OpenOffice 4.1.2, they are now both listed at
http://www.openoffice.org/porting/

I haven't personally tested them, so I welcome feedback from Windows users.

Regards,
  Andrea.

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RE: Compiler Error

[Brett Grentell]

Hi Oliver,

I tried your example exactly (except for varying directory structure).  This 
time I'm getting:

Entering /cygdrive/c/build_tmp/openoffice/main/sal/qa/osl/mutex


1 module(s):
sal
need(s) to be rebuilt

Reason(s):

ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making 
/cygdrive/c/build_tmp/openoffice/main/sal/qa/osl/mutex

When you have fixed the errors in that module you can resume the build 
by running:

 build --all:sal


-Original Message-
From: Oliver Brinzing [mailto:oliver.brinz...@gmx.de] 
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 6:44 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Compiler Error

Hi Bret,

i was able to build aoo411 and 412 debug builds with the following 
configuration:

SourceMain=/cygdrive/c/build_tmp/aoo_src/main
cd $SourceMain
autoconf
./configure \
--with-build-version="$(date +"%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S %z (%a, %d %b %Y)")" \ 
--with-vendor="AOO Debug Build" \ 
--with-dmake-url="http://dmake.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/files/dmake-4.12.tar.bz2;
 \ --with-ant-home="/cygdrive/c/build/ant" \ 
--with-mozilla-build="/cygdrive/c/build/mozilla-build" \ 
--with-frame-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft SDKs/Windows/v7.0" \ 
--with-psdk-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft SDKs/Windows/v7.0" \ 
--with-midl-path="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft SDKs/Windows/v7.0/bin" \ 
--with-cl-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files (x86)/Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0/VC" 
 \ --with-mspdb-path="/cygdrive/c/Program Files (x86)/Microsoft Visual Studio 
9.0/Common7/IDE" \ --with-asm-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files (x86)/Microsoft 
Visual Studio 9.0/VC/bin" \ 
--with-csc-path="/cygdrive/c/Windows/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v3.5" \ 
--with-jdk-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files (x86)/Java/jdk1.7.0"  \ 
--with-nsis-path="/cygdrive/c/Program Files (x86)/NSIS/Unicode" \ 
--with-directx-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files (x86)/Microsoft DirectX SDK 
(June 2010)" \ 
--with-atl-include-dir="/cygdrive/c/WinDDK/7600.16385.1/inc/atl71" \ 
--with-atl-lib-dir="/cygdrive/c/WinDDK/7600.16385.1/lib/ATL/i386" \ 
--with-mfc-include-dir="/cygdrive/c/WinDDK/7600.16385.1/inc/mfc42" \ 
--with-mfc-lib-dir="/cygdrive/c/WinDDK/7600.16385.1/lib/Mfc/i386" \ 
--enable-pch \ --with-package-format="installed msi" \ 
--enable-win-x64-shellext \ --enable-category-b \ --enable-bundled-dictionaries 
\ --with-lang="de" \ --without-stlport \ --without-junit \ --enable-verbose \ 
--disable-odk \ --without-fonts

./bootstrap
source winenv.set.sh
cd instsetoo_native
build --all --html -P2 -- -P2

Regards
Oliver

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RE: Re: Complaint Writer lost 36 pages of my document with no auto backup copy.

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Marcus,

That's an interesting idea from you and Andreas.

> -Original Message-
> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de]
> Sent: Friday, January 1, 2016 01:24
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re:  Re: Complaint Writer lost 36 pages of my document
> with no auto backup copy.
> 
[ ... ]
> > As an AOO user, I would sadly miss the ability to directly edit
> foreign
> > file formats - they are often effectively the interchange format for
> > collaborations. I want to see ASAP if I am using some formatting that
> > cannot be preserved in the file's primary format.
> >
> > I suspect I am not the only user who would go with LibreOffice if it
> > allows me to edit MS-Word documents directly and OpenOffice does not.
> 
> to prevent any misunderstandings. It's not about to kick out any foreign
> formats. The point is the following:
> 
> - Write something in Writer
> - Save it as ODT
> - The editor stays with the text in ODT format
> - Then save it as DOC
> - The editor stays with the text in DOC format
> 
> --> And this is the point to change. The editor should stay with the
> original ODT format and not with a foreign format.
[orcmid] 

Unfortunately, the offer to open Microsoft Office formats in OpenOffice and
continue to work in those formats is a long-standing "feature" of
OpenOffice.org.  

It is clear that there are people who only use Apache OpenOffice in this
manner, mainly on Windows, as a works-for-them Microsoft Office format
processor.  Of course, they also have a complaint about failures of fidelity
in that case, since that little detail was not featured on the promotional
pages urging folks to use OpenOffice instead of Microsoft Office.  (That
Apache OpenOffice does not round-trip OOXML at all is another limitation
that we tend to brush off.)

On the other hand, because we cannot assure preservation of fidelity in this
manner, it might be useful to do something that Microsoft Office Web Apps
did at one time.  If you imported an ODF-format document created by
OpenOffice, and you wanted to edit it, a copy in OOXML format would be made
on the server and that is what would be edited.  That made it clear what was
happening, and the original was still available in its unmodified form.

I don't think that happens any more, though.  I must try it again now that
Office 365 and the Office Web applications are more mature.  

I think the strangest things about Apache OpenOffice in this respect are
features of AOO that *only* work if files are saved to .doc or .xls format.
That is very weird and demonstrates how conflicted we seem to be about
interoperability with Microsoft Office.

Meanwhile, I think it would be wonderful if on opening documents there were
*accurate* warnings that the document relies on format features that are not
supported and that will not be presented or preserved properly.  (If we
preserved the original as a backup, that would be helpful though, so
something to think about.)  I think it would be great if the same were true
on saving a document in a format for which features are not preserved by the
save operation.  Not the scare warning, but accurate warnings.  Not
necessarily detailed.  Then the recommendation to save in ODF first to
ensure preservation would make sense and perhaps the save to the format for
which fidelity is not offered would be treated as an export in that case.

This is not a proposal.  It is offered as something to think about.  Perhaps
there is a gentle way to have users aware that editing is as if the document
was in ODF format without getting in their way too much.

 - Dennis


> 
> Marcus
[ ... ]


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Re: [QUESTIONS] RE: [ISSUE DISCUSSIONS]

[Hagar Delest]

Le 23/11/2015 01:06, Dennis E. Hamilton a écrit :

I also have a moderate concern that the Forum community is perhaps too separate 
from the rest of the project and we need a way for all voices to be heard, 
including working out proposals for remedies. In both directions. Any ideas on 
how to facilitate that?

When developers need feedback from the forum users, they can ask on the dev 
mailing list. There are already some power users from the forum who are 
subscribed. This is what happened in the current case. It may be easier to tag 
the object with something like [Forum] so that we spot it more quickly (well, 
talking about myself mainly here...).

What would be the list requirement exactly from the forum users? For example, 
Rory often reports the interesting discussions that can occur in the forum.

Hagar

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Reporting broken download link

[kclb...@bluewin.ch]

Hi, 
On http://www.openoffice.org/de/spellcheck/about-spellcheck-dicoooinfo.html i 
wanted download language packets. I only got "Fehler: Server nicht gefunden" 
All the languages the same.
Wishing you a Happy New Year!
Yours 
Kasimir
Kasimir Baur
Wilerstr. 18
9242 Oberuzwil
 
  Normal
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kclb...@bluewin.ch
 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
 
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 table.MsoNormalTable
{mso-style-name:"Normale Tabelle";
mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0;
mso-tstyle-colband-size:0;
mso-style-noshow:yes;
mso-style-priority:99;
mso-style-qformat:yes;
mso-style-parent:"";
mso-padding-alt:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;
mso-para-margin:0cm;
mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt;
mso-pagination:widow-orphan;
font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;
mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin;
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";
mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast;
mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;
mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;
mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";
mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;}
Fixnet: 071 950 13 92
Mobil:  077 924 13 52

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Re: Re: Complaint Writer lost 36 pages of my document with no auto backup copy.

[Patricia Shanahan]

On 1/1/2016 1:24 AM, Marcus wrote:

Am 12/31/2015 10:04 PM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan:

On 12/31/2015 11:49 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:

Am 31.12.2015 um 19:53 schrieb Patricia Shanahan:

On 12/31/2015 10:30 AM, Max Merbald wrote:

Hi,

let me say a few words on this too:

I have had the autosave option enabled for ages and I've never
experienced a problem I'd relate to this. In the contrary, it has
helped
me a few times to retrieve a document I've had a problem with (such as
losing it for some reason or other. I think users will benefit from
the
autosave being enabled by default.


I also have autosave enabled, and have not experienced any problems
with
it personally.



Both of you work with ODF and export to foreign formats when necessary.

Bill M wrote:

The only change I made was to
turn off the question about save in ODF format as I send it to other
people
in RTF or Microsoft DOC format.


Bill M uses OpenOffice as an editor for foreign file formats which is
the anti-feature that deserves to be disabled completely. All documents
should be edited in ODF. Always. When you save another version in
foreign file format, the current document should remain the ODF source.
Foreign files should be loaded read-only and saved as ODF before
editing.


As an AOO user, I would sadly miss the ability to directly edit foreign
file formats - they are often effectively the interchange format for
collaborations. I want to see ASAP if I am using some formatting that
cannot be preserved in the file's primary format.

I suspect I am not the only user who would go with LibreOffice if it
allows me to edit MS-Word documents directly and OpenOffice does not.


to prevent any misunderstandings. It's not about to kick out any foreign
formats. The point is the following:

- Write something in Writer
- Save it as ODT
- The editor stays with the text in ODT format
- Then save it as DOC
- The editor stays with the text in DOC format

--> And this is the point to change. The editor should stay with the
original ODT format and not with a foreign format.


That is not quite the use-case I was thinking of. When collaborating, I
often need to edit a document I did not originate. Commonly, the
document will be in a Microsoft Word format, and has to be distributed
in that format. There is no "original ODT format" document. Since I
usually collaborate with computer people, revision control is important.

One natural sequence is:

- Check out DOC format document from revision control.
- Edit and save it.
- Check it in to revision control
- Edit it some more and save it again.
- Check it in to revision control
- Update because someone else has edited and checked it in.
- Edit it still more, and save it again.
- Check it in to revision control

I probably make more use of revision control than the average user, so
imagine some other form of distribution around a group substituting for it.

After each edit step, I need the DOC version for two purposes:
Formatting issue review and distribution.

As I understand it, you want to add some "Save it as ODT" steps to the
workflow. Where would they go, and why, as an end-user, do I want to do
them?

I know it would be nice to get into an ODF-dominated ecosystem in which
collaborative documents are ODT, not DOC, but to get there OO has to do
well in the world as it is now.

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RE: Reporting broken download link

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Language packs are a bit different, although they might include writing tools 
for your preferred language.

For language packs, go to .  Choose the 
language of interest if it is not already selected for you.  Then choose 
"Download language pack" (possibly translated to your language, e.g., 
"Herunterladen: Sprachpaket").  On the next page, wait for the download to 
start.  Do not click anything on the page.  If your browser requests 
instruction about what to do with the download, use your preference for only 
that.

 - Dennis 

> -Original Message-
> From: kclb...@bluewin.ch [mailto:kclb...@bluewin.ch]
> Sent: Friday, January 1, 2016 14:26
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Reporting broken download link
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On http://www.openoffice.org/de/spellcheck/about-spellcheck-
> dicoooinfo.html i wanted download language packets. I only got "Fehler:
> Server nicht gefunden" All the languages the same.
> 
> Wishing you a Happy New Year!
> 
> 
> Yours
> Kasimir
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Kasimir Baur
> Wilerstr. 18
> 9242 Oberuzwil
> 
> kclb...@bluewin.ch 
> Fixnet: 071 950 13 92
> Mobil:  077 924 13 52



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Re: Re: Complaint Writer lost 36 pages of my document with no auto backup copy.

[Hagar Delest]

Le 31/12/2015 22:04, Patricia Shanahan a écrit :

Isn't a lot of this the sort of information that should be being
collected in Bugzilla. I am about to start searching the mail archives
to see what I can learn about the history, but a single Bugzilla number
would be more convenient.

If you want some data about the ### problem, see here: 
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6=17677 (long thread 
but the first page should give you the main information).
See especially the links to the bug reports and the previous discussions in this 
ML: https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6=17677#p117496

Hagar
Glad this question is being discussed for good!

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Re: Re: Complaint Writer lost 36 pages of my document with no auto backup copy.

[Marcus]

Am 12/31/2015 10:04 PM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan:

On 12/31/2015 11:49 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:

Am 31.12.2015 um 19:53 schrieb Patricia Shanahan:

On 12/31/2015 10:30 AM, Max Merbald wrote:

Hi,

let me say a few words on this too:

I have had the autosave option enabled for ages and I've never
experienced a problem I'd relate to this. In the contrary, it has
helped
me a few times to retrieve a document I've had a problem with (such as
losing it for some reason or other. I think users will benefit from the
autosave being enabled by default.


I also have autosave enabled, and have not experienced any problems with
it personally.



Both of you work with ODF and export to foreign formats when necessary.

Bill M wrote:

The only change I made was to
turn off the question about save in ODF format as I send it to other
people
in RTF or Microsoft DOC format.


Bill M uses OpenOffice as an editor for foreign file formats which is
the anti-feature that deserves to be disabled completely. All documents
should be edited in ODF. Always. When you save another version in
foreign file format, the current document should remain the ODF source.
Foreign files should be loaded read-only and saved as ODF before editing.


As an AOO user, I would sadly miss the ability to directly edit foreign
file formats - they are often effectively the interchange format for
collaborations. I want to see ASAP if I am using some formatting that
cannot be preserved in the file's primary format.

I suspect I am not the only user who would go with LibreOffice if it
allows me to edit MS-Word documents directly and OpenOffice does not.


to prevent any misunderstandings. It's not about to kick out any foreign 
formats. The point is the following:


- Write something in Writer
- Save it as ODT
- The editor stays with the text in ODT format
- Then save it as DOC
- The editor stays with the text in DOC format

--> And this is the point to change. The editor should stay with the 
original ODT format and not with a foreign format.


Marcus




Another misconception is that too many users believe that the "backup"
feature of their office suite ensures a reasonable level of data safety.
In fact they never run any backup utility at all.

The term "backup" should be avoided alltogether in favour of "crash
recovery". Can we really assure that our crash recovery tool works with
all supported file formats including the foreign ones?


I strongly agree that the feature AOO should be providing is "crash
recovery" not "backup".

I would think some good general design principles, such as never
deleting a file until after its replacement has been completely written,
should make it possible to support all file formats. However, I have not
yet studied the issue, and there may be barriers I am not aware of.

Isn't a lot of this the sort of information that should be being
collected in Bugzilla. I am about to start searching the mail archives
to see what I can learn about the history, but a single Bugzilla number
would be more convenient.


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Hooks for Navigator?

[Rory O'Farrell]

Are there any readily accessible hooks for the OO Navigator in existing OO 
implementations, which one could intercept to extend/modify the existing 
Navigator functions using an extension?  I'm thinking in terms of an extension; 
going into the OO code and rebuilding the Navigator is not my intention.

-- 
Rory O'Farrell 

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Re: [Forum] Vietnamese forum to be closed?

[Hagar Delest]

Thanks.
Some additional users banned this morning.
I've disabled the registration and the PM feature.
All forum permissions have been set to read only.
No new user can be created and already existing user can still login but it 
will be of quite no use.

If someone want to volunteer for maintaining the Vietnamese forum, then don't 
hesitate, tell this list.

For the record, I've let a note in the survival guide, in English, to explain the 
situation: 
https://forum.openoffice.org/vi/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3=1047=1262#p1262

If corrections are needed, just tell and I'll make the change. If someone can 
translate this in Vietnamese, that would be fine too!

Hagar


Le 31/12/2015 22:50, Andreas Säger a écrit :

+1

Am 31.12.2015 um 21:23 schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton:

+1


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Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 11:09
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
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Re: Re: Complaint Writer lost 36 pages of my document with no auto backup copy.

[Patricia Shanahan]

On 1/1/2016 3:00 AM, Hagar Delest wrote:

Le 31/12/2015 22:04, Patricia Shanahan a écrit :

Isn't a lot of this the sort of information that should be being
collected in Bugzilla. I am about to start searching the mail archives
to see what I can learn about the history, but a single Bugzilla number
would be more convenient.

If you want some data about the ### problem, see here:
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6=17677 (long
thread but the first page should give you the main information).
See especially the links to the bug reports and the previous discussions
in this ML:
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6=17677#p117496


Thanks. That is just the sort of data I was looking for.

Patricia

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Re: Basic editor and key-words

[sos]

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. Original message From: 
FR web forum  Date: 31/12/2015  17:39  (GMT+01:00) To: 
dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Basic editor and key-words 
>There is a difference between reserved words and (predefined) function 
>names. This belongs to ALL programming languages.

>LBound and UBound are not reserved words.

OK the goal is to help programmers
So we can have a different color for predefined functions? 

+1  and have a tool to list this functions I do a lot of basic coding and also 
a lot of Googling to find functions I need :-)
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Re: Basic editor and key-words

[Mathias Röllig]

There is a difference between reserved words and (predefined) function
names. This belongs to ALL programming languages.



LBound and UBound are not reserved words.


OK the goal is to help programmers
So we can have a different color for predefined functions?


I don't think that it would make sense.
How can the names be passed to the parser?
Maybe all names will collected in a separate array.

But what is with own SUBs and FUNCTIONs?
What is with SUBs and FUNCTIONs inside available modules and provided by 
some extensions?

What is with the methods of an object?

Maybe there will be a powerful IDE like Eclipse or NetBeans that can do 
an online parsing.


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