[OSM-dev] OSM-3D discussions
Hi, A member of the OSM forums and of the German Polish communities, Marek Kleciak, asked me to invite interested developers to discuss the tagging and implementation of the schema used for 3rd dimension information (height/altitude) in OpenStreetMap, and also historical information. A couple of schemas have already become popular and Marek and others would like to find the best representation. They are getting down to details like building roof windows and tree species to make accurate 3d models directly from OSM data. Unfortunately there's no mailing list where this is discussed, that I know of, instead discussion happens on the forums and wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:OSM-3D http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:OSM-4D#Tagging_2 (the pages have English versions, but they are not fully translated yet, but apparently it's Ok to use English on these German pages) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Roof_table (again German/Polish versions may be more complete) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Viw/OSM3D http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Aschilli/ProposedRoofLines and others. Marek would particularly like interested developers to help in the implementation of different roof types display and other 3d features in the projects: * kendzi3d (JOSM plugin) * osm2world (osm2world.org) Finally I'm sure a number of OSMers oppose adding too much detail to the OSM database and especially some of the 3d modelling features don't seem to fit our data model (which is very 2d + tags). Personally I think it's unavoidable that all of these details are going to be added at some point, though. Cheers ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] OSM-3D discussions
Hi, On 11/27/2011 03:34 PM, andrzej zaborowski wrote: Finally I'm sure a number of OSMers oppose adding too much detail to the OSM database I think it's ok for individuals to record things like a tree type or building height. I would, however, fiercely oppose any attempt to import or auto-generate date like that and burden our database with stuff that has not been created by mappers. Bye Frederik ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] OSM-3D discussions
Thanks for the invitation Andrzej :) Well I already tried to get the most 3D developpers together at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/3D_Development and of course there is a forum dedicated to 3D where we can discuss http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=42 But thanks for the reminder, I didn't the discussions on that wiki pages! bye Matthias (user:!i!) Am 27.11.2011 15:34, schrieb andrzej zaborowski: Hi, A member of the OSM forums and of the German Polish communities, Marek Kleciak, asked me to invite interested developers to discuss the tagging and implementation of the schema used for 3rd dimension information (height/altitude) in OpenStreetMap, and also historical information. A couple of schemas have already become popular and Marek and others would like to find the best representation. They are getting down to details like building roof windows and tree species to make accurate 3d models directly from OSM data. Unfortunately there's no mailing list where this is discussed, that I know of, instead discussion happens on the forums and wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:OSM-3D http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:OSM-4D#Tagging_2 (the pages have English versions, but they are not fully translated yet, but apparently it's Ok to use English on these German pages) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Roof_table (again German/Polish versions may be more complete) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Viw/OSM3D http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Aschilli/ProposedRoofLines and others. Marek would particularly like interested developers to help in the implementation of different roof types display and other 3d features in the projects: * kendzi3d (JOSM plugin) * osm2world (osm2world.org) Finally I'm sure a number of OSMers oppose adding too much detail to the OSM database and especially some of the 3d modelling features don't seem to fit our data model (which is very 2d + tags). Personally I think it's unavoidable that all of these details are going to be added at some point, though. Cheers ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] OSM-3D discussions
On 11/27/11, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: Finally I'm sure a number of OSMers oppose adding too much detail to the OSM database and especially some of the 3d modelling features don't seem to fit our data model (which is very 2d + tags). Personally I think it's unavoidable that all of these details are going to be added at some point, though. My problem isn't a lot of details, it is that (as you pointed out) the OSM data model is not the right tool for the job of describing very complex 3D objects. Trying to mash 3D modeling into OSM results in impossibly complex data for any but the most advanced users to maintain. There are existing tools that are the right tool for 3D modeling. I would rather see more thought put into coming up with a better way of linking external databases to OSM data and then use an external database for these 3D models. Toby ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] OSM-3D discussions
maintain. There are existing tools that are the right tool for 3D modeling. Could you please name those tools? Easy to use, with rather simple format for simple objects, and letting you create a gapless worldwide model, and nice license. -- Darafei Komяpa Praliaskouski OSM BY Team - http://openstreetmap.by/ xmpp:m...@komzpa.net mailto:m...@komzpa.net ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] OSM-3D discussions
Am 27.11.2011 17:25, schrieb Komяpa: maintain. There are existing tools that are the right tool for 3D modeling. Could you please name those tools? Easy to use, with rather simple format for simple objects, and letting you create a gapless worldwide model, and nice license. You might check this out: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/3D_Development/Modelling#Modelling_tools I guess Toby points to the existing 3D tools for modeling (Blender, 3D Max, ...) and architecture. Personaly I agree with the opinion that the OSM tagging scheme is to restrictive to enter that complex informations (and side effects as annoied mappers by overloaded building objects). Thats my intention on starting Open3DMap as a 3D object repository, but on the other hand I'm absolutly impressed of what already can be done just with OSM tags and I think we should take the chance to give it a try and have a look how far we can get with this approach, what is accepted by the community and so on I already have some ideas and together with the 3D rendering guys I hope to get some experiments next year :) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open3DMap bye Matthias (user:!i!) ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] OSM-3D discussions
On 11/27/11, Matthias Meißer dig...@arcor.de wrote: You might check this out: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/3D_Development/Modelling#Modelling_tools I'm on a slow tethered phone so I don't have links in front of me but yes, I have seen at least a couple of open 3D modeling languages. Not very familiar with the tools to use them but it is impossible that they are harder to use than P2/JOSM with 50 ways, half of which are overlapping others, to describe a single building. Toby ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] OSM-3D discussions
Am 27.11.2011 18:09, schrieb Toby Murray: ... very familiar with the tools to use them but it is impossible that they are harder to use than P2/JOSM with 50 ways, half of which are overlapping others, to describe a single building. Well yes, but the whole 3D GIS topic is pretty new even for professionals. So give us hobbiests the time to test things and checkout what technique will make the race :) Maybe it will become a mix of different approaches, maybee we will get layers, so tagging wouldn't become the problem for 'normal' mappers. I strongly believe that we will find a nice way that most people don't strugle with 3D and will see it as an option, not a constraint. bye Matthias ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] OSM-3D discussions
2011/11/27 Matthias Meißer dig...@arcor.de: Thanks for the invitation Andrzej :) Well I already tried to get the most 3D developpers together at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/3D_Development and of course there is a forum dedicated to 3D where we can discuss http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=42 These are better starting points for anyone interested. Sorry I missed those links. Cheers ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
