[josm-dev] JOSM Server certificate

2015-12-14 Thread Dirk Stöcker

Hello,

today I switched our server certificate from Globalsign to Wosign. Works 
fine on my Linux systems also with Java.


Could others please test and report if there are Java versions rejecting 
the certificate.


If we have trouble we need to apply for a new Globalsign certificate, 
which is much more effort than Wosign.


The old certificate is still valid till end of December, so there is still 
a little time.


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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Server is moving

2015-02-18 Thread Dirk Stöcker

On Tue, 17 Feb 2015, colliar wrote:


Next time, please, issue an hour warning, all most lost quite some wiki
changes because the server went down.


I can only announce what I know in advance :-)

For Firefox I suggest Lazarus plugin. It keeps formular data, so you don't 
loose it when server or network issues appear. Thought sometimes it slows 
firefox a lot.


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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Server is moving

2015-02-17 Thread Dirk Stöcker

Hello,

new server is up and running. Report any issues which have not been there 
before.


Until IP change has been propagated completely connections will be 
redirected over old machine - this is slow. I expect that in half an 
hour only robots and web-spiders should use that way. Most SPAM senders 
already use the new IP :-)


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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Server is moving

2015-02-17 Thread colliar
Am 17.02.2015 um 21:18 schrieb Dirk Stöcker:

Thanks a lot.
 new server is up and running. Report any issues which have not been
 there before.

Next time, please, issue an hour warning, all most lost quite some wiki
changes because the server went down.

 Until IP change has been propagated completely connections will be
 redirected over old machine - this is slow. I expect that in half an
 hour only robots and web-spiders should use that way. Most SPAM senders
 already use the new IP :-)

Nice job, I am still proud that we can offer anonymous edits across the
whole site.

Ciao colliar



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[josm-dev] JOSM server maintenance

2014-12-29 Thread Vincent Privat
Hi,
I'm going to shut down the JOSM website in 5 minutes for a small
maintenance task.
It should be a matter of minutes :)
Vincent
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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM server maintenance

2014-12-29 Thread Vincent Privat
back online!

2014-12-29 20:56 GMT+01:00 Vincent Privat vincent.pri...@gmail.com:

 Hi,
 I'm going to shut down the JOSM website in 5 minutes for a small
 maintenance task.
 It should be a matter of minutes :)
 Vincent

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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM server shut down for maintenance

2014-09-20 Thread Dirk Stöcker

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014, Marián Kyral wrote:


What Java version do you use? It should have affected only Java 6,
which we don't support anymore.


java version
1.7.0_55

OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea 2.4.7) (Gentoo build
1.7.0_55-b14)

OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 24.51-b03, mixed mode)

But it works again :-)


Yeah, but we have our minus back:
https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=josm.openstreetmap.de

I'll need to reorder ciphers, so that Java is happy and I still get A 
grade check.


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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM server shut down for maintenance

2014-09-20 Thread colliar
Am 20.09.2014 11:51, schrieb Dirk Stöcker:

 Yeah, but we have our minus back:
 https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=josm.openstreetmap.de
 
 I'll need to reorder ciphers, so that Java is happy and I still get A
 grade check.

Please, do not offer RC4 anymore, it is insecure.
Better no security than broken one !

Ciao colliar


P.S.: The key problem (SHA1 - SHA256) seems to be home-made.



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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM server shut down for maintenance

2014-09-20 Thread Dirk Stöcker

On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, colliar wrote:


Please, do not offer RC4 anymore, it is insecure.
Better no security than broken one !


That's not true. Currently after Snowden we are finally in the phase to 
establish TLS usage. For now we need to get it working and accepted. 
Enforcing really good security comes later, but then it's a matter of 
plain software settings instead of totally new concepts.


A major fact that prevented all-day encryption are these security fanatics 
which come with their unpractical all-or-nothing approach.


A lot of admins and programmers and other people still have to learn a 
lot. Enforcing too much will result in to hell with your encryption.


At work I currently have trouble with company wide firewall rules which 
freely allow HTTP, but block any self-signed certificate. So actually they 
block the higher security level due to misunderstood concepts. And that's 
only one example of the many troubles out there. Enforcing any of the 
latest standards usually is not the solution.


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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM server shut down for maintenance

2014-09-19 Thread Marián Kyral
Dne 7.9.2014 01:32, Vincent Privat napsal(a):

 My fault I tried to improve the default security parameters. I have
 now reverted this change it should work now.

 Le 7 sept. 2014 00:48, Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com
 mailto:ricoz@gmail.com a écrit :

 On Sat, Sep 06, 2014 at 08:41:15PM +0200, Marián Kyral wrote:
  Hi,
  it still does not work for me. The wellcome message, list of
 presets,
  styles and plugins fails on:
 
  [java] CHYBA: SSLException: java.lang.RuntimeException:
 Could not
  generate DH keypair
  [java] VAROVÁNÍ: Already here
  java.security.InvalidAlgorithmParameterException: Prime size must be
  multiple of 64, and can only range from 512 to 1024 (inclusive)

 had the same issue with openstreetmap/api a few days ago,
 hopefully the
 same solution that Tom has found can be applied for this problem.

 (search for JOSM connection problems downloading/uploading data?
 in archives)


Hi,
the issue is back. Could you check it please?

Thansk,
Marián


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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM server shut down for maintenance

2014-09-19 Thread Dirk Stöcker

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014, Marián Kyral wrote:


the issue is back. Could you check it please?


Hmpf - this time I did it.

What Java version do you use? It should have affected only Java 6, which 
we don't support anymore.


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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM server shut down for maintenance

2014-09-09 Thread Dirk Stöcker

On Mon, 8 Sep 2014, Marián Kyral wrote:


I want to add an external plugin Tracer-testing (a testing version of
improved Tracer plugin that I want to put to the SVN one day).
So I add a link the jar file [1] to the external plugins page [2]. It
should be updated in 10 minutes. But after one hour later, the
Tracer-testing plugin is still not visible on the plugins list [3].


You added a comment before the line. The parser didn't like that :-) Fixed 
now.


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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM server shut down for maintenance

2014-09-09 Thread Marián Kyral


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Komu: josm-dev@openstreetmap.org
Datum: 9. 9. 2014 8:36:33
Předmět: Re: [josm-dev] JOSM server shut down for maintenance

On Mon, 8 Sep 2014, Marián Kyral wrote:

 I want to add an external plugin Tracer-testing (a testing version of
 improved Tracer plugin that I want to put to the SVN one day).
 So I add a link the jar file [1] to the external plugins page [2]. It
 should be updated in 10 minutes. But after one hour later, the
 Tracer-testing plugin is still not visible on the plugins list [3].

You added a comment before the line. The parser didn't like that :-) Fixed 
now.




Thanks a lot.


Marián




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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM server shut down for maintenance

2014-09-08 Thread Marián Kyral
Hi,
Maybe I've found another issue.

I want to add an external plugin Tracer-testing (a testing version of
improved Tracer plugin that I want to put to the SVN one day).
So I add a link the jar file [1] to the external plugins page [2]. It
should be updated in 10 minutes. But after one hour later, the
Tracer-testing plugin is still not visible on the plugins list [3].

The link to the Tracer-testing.jar file works correctly. Is this problem
on the site, or I did something wrong?

[1] http://osm.kyralovi.cz/bin/Tracer-testing.jar
[2] http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/PluginsSource
[3] http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Plugins

Marián

Dne 7.9.2014 08:56, Marián Kyral napsal(a):
 It works now.

 Thanks,
 Marián

 Dne 7.9.2014 01:32, Vincent Privat napsal(a):
 My fault I tried to improve the default security parameters. I have
 now reverted this change it should work now.

 Le 7 sept. 2014 00:48, Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com
 mailto:ricoz@gmail.com a écrit :

 On Sat, Sep 06, 2014 at 08:41:15PM +0200, Marián Kyral wrote:
  Hi,
  it still does not work for me. The wellcome message, list of
 presets,
  styles and plugins fails on:
 
  [java] CHYBA: SSLException: java.lang.RuntimeException:
 Could not
  generate DH keypair
  [java] VAROVÁNÍ: Already here
  java.security.InvalidAlgorithmParameterException: Prime size must be
  multiple of 64, and can only range from 512 to 1024 (inclusive)

 had the same issue with openstreetmap/api a few days ago,
 hopefully the
 same solution that Tom has found can be applied for this problem.

 (search for JOSM connection problems downloading/uploading data?
 in archives)

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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM server shut down for maintenance

2014-09-07 Thread Marián Kyral
It works now.

Thanks,
Marián

Dne 7.9.2014 01:32, Vincent Privat napsal(a):

 My fault I tried to improve the default security parameters. I have
 now reverted this change it should work now.

 Le 7 sept. 2014 00:48, Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com
 mailto:ricoz@gmail.com a écrit :

 On Sat, Sep 06, 2014 at 08:41:15PM +0200, Marián Kyral wrote:
  Hi,
  it still does not work for me. The wellcome message, list of
 presets,
  styles and plugins fails on:
 
  [java] CHYBA: SSLException: java.lang.RuntimeException:
 Could not
  generate DH keypair
  [java] VAROVÁNÍ: Already here
  java.security.InvalidAlgorithmParameterException: Prime size must be
  multiple of 64, and can only range from 512 to 1024 (inclusive)

 had the same issue with openstreetmap/api a few days ago,
 hopefully the
 same solution that Tom has found can be applied for this problem.

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 in archives)

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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM server shut down for maintenance

2014-09-06 Thread Vincent Privat
Hi,
The server is operational again.
Vincent


2014-09-06 2:53 GMT+02:00 Vincent Privat vinc...@josm.openstreetmap.de:

 Hi,
 Unfortunately I encountered unexpected errors and the website is not yet
 100% functional.
 SVN access is restored but many links on website are broken right now.
 The download links are OK though.

 We'll try to bring back the site alive tomorrow. In the meantime please
 refrain to edit any wiki page (translations are ok but please do not try to
 fix links).

 Please also do not create tickets for broken pages/failed downloads.

 Vincent


 2014-09-05 21:50 GMT+02:00 Vincent Privat vinc...@josm.openstreetmap.de:

 Hi everyone,

 The JOSM server will be shut down for maintenance at 20:00 GMT (in 10
 minutes).

 Following services will be unavailable:
 - wiki
 - bug reporting
 - download from website
 - SVN

 It's a perfect time to test the new offline mode of JOSM :)
 java -jar josm.jar --offline=josm_website

 Regards,
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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM server shut down for maintenance

2014-09-06 Thread Marián Kyral
Hi,
it still does not work for me. The wellcome message, list of presets,
styles and plugins fails on:

[java] CHYBA: SSLException: java.lang.RuntimeException: Could not
generate DH keypair
[java] VAROVÁNÍ: Already here
java.security.InvalidAlgorithmParameterException: Prime size must be
multiple of 64, and can only range from 512 to 1024 (inclusive)

Tested JOSM versions: 7480, 7506 and 7508

Marián

Dne 6.9.2014 13:20, Vincent Privat napsal(a):
 Hi,
 The server is operational again.
 Vincent


 2014-09-06 2:53 GMT+02:00 Vincent Privat vinc...@josm.openstreetmap.de:

 Hi,
 Unfortunately I encountered unexpected errors and the website is not yet
 100% functional.
 SVN access is restored but many links on website are broken right now.
 The download links are OK though.

 We'll try to bring back the site alive tomorrow. In the meantime please
 refrain to edit any wiki page (translations are ok but please do not try to
 fix links).

 Please also do not create tickets for broken pages/failed downloads.

 Vincent


 2014-09-05 21:50 GMT+02:00 Vincent Privat vinc...@josm.openstreetmap.de:

 Hi everyone,

 The JOSM server will be shut down for maintenance at 20:00 GMT (in 10
 minutes).

 Following services will be unavailable:
 - wiki
 - bug reporting
 - download from website
 - SVN

 It's a perfect time to test the new offline mode of JOSM :)
 java -jar josm.jar --offline=josm_website

 Regards,
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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM server shut down for maintenance

2014-09-06 Thread Marián Kyral
I'm on linux with icedtea. I had no issue before server update.

$ java -version
Picked up _JAVA_OPTIONS: -Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on
java version 1.7.0_55
OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea 2.4.7) (Gentoo build 1.7.0_55-b14)
OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 24.51-b03, mixed mode)

Tell me, if you need more.

Regards,
Marián

Dne 6.9.2014 20:41, Marián Kyral napsal(a):
 Hi,
 it still does not work for me. The wellcome message, list of presets,
 styles and plugins fails on:

 [java] CHYBA: SSLException: java.lang.RuntimeException: Could not
 generate DH keypair
 [java] VAROVÁNÍ: Already here
 java.security.InvalidAlgorithmParameterException: Prime size must be
 multiple of 64, and can only range from 512 to 1024 (inclusive)

 Tested JOSM versions: 7480, 7506 and 7508

 Marián

 Dne 6.9.2014 13:20, Vincent Privat napsal(a):
 Hi,
 The server is operational again.
 Vincent


 2014-09-06 2:53 GMT+02:00 Vincent Privat vinc...@josm.openstreetmap.de:

 Hi,
 Unfortunately I encountered unexpected errors and the website is not yet
 100% functional.
 SVN access is restored but many links on website are broken right now.
 The download links are OK though.

 We'll try to bring back the site alive tomorrow. In the meantime please
 refrain to edit any wiki page (translations are ok but please do not try to
 fix links).

 Please also do not create tickets for broken pages/failed downloads.

 Vincent


 2014-09-05 21:50 GMT+02:00 Vincent Privat vinc...@josm.openstreetmap.de:

 Hi everyone,

 The JOSM server will be shut down for maintenance at 20:00 GMT (in 10
 minutes).

 Following services will be unavailable:
 - wiki
 - bug reporting
 - download from website
 - SVN

 It's a perfect time to test the new offline mode of JOSM :)
 java -jar josm.jar --offline=josm_website

 Regards,
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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM server shut down for maintenance

2014-09-06 Thread Richard Z.
On Sat, Sep 06, 2014 at 08:41:15PM +0200, Marián Kyral wrote:
 Hi,
 it still does not work for me. The wellcome message, list of presets,
 styles and plugins fails on:
 
 [java] CHYBA: SSLException: java.lang.RuntimeException: Could not
 generate DH keypair
 [java] VAROVÁNÍ: Already here
 java.security.InvalidAlgorithmParameterException: Prime size must be
 multiple of 64, and can only range from 512 to 1024 (inclusive)

had the same issue with openstreetmap/api a few days ago, hopefully the
same solution that Tom has found can be applied for this problem.

(search for JOSM connection problems downloading/uploading data?
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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM server shut down for maintenance

2014-09-06 Thread Vincent Privat
My fault I tried to improve the default security parameters. I have now
reverted this change it should work now.
Le 7 sept. 2014 00:48, Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com a écrit :

 On Sat, Sep 06, 2014 at 08:41:15PM +0200, Marián Kyral wrote:
  Hi,
  it still does not work for me. The wellcome message, list of presets,
  styles and plugins fails on:
 
  [java] CHYBA: SSLException: java.lang.RuntimeException: Could not
  generate DH keypair
  [java] VAROVÁNÍ: Already here
  java.security.InvalidAlgorithmParameterException: Prime size must be
  multiple of 64, and can only range from 512 to 1024 (inclusive)

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 same solution that Tom has found can be applied for this problem.

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[josm-dev] JOSM server shut down for maintenance

2014-09-05 Thread Vincent Privat
Hi everyone,

The JOSM server will be shut down for maintenance at 20:00 GMT (in 10
minutes).

Following services will be unavailable:
- wiki
- bug reporting
- download from website
- SVN

It's a perfect time to test the new offline mode of JOSM :)
java -jar josm.jar --offline=josm_website

Regards,
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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM server shut down for maintenance

2014-09-05 Thread Vincent Privat
Hi,
Unfortunately I encountered unexpected errors and the website is not yet
100% functional.
SVN access is restored but many links on website are broken right now.
The download links are OK though.

We'll try to bring back the site alive tomorrow. In the meantime please
refrain to edit any wiki page (translations are ok but please do not try to
fix links).

Please also do not create tickets for broken pages/failed downloads.

Vincent


2014-09-05 21:50 GMT+02:00 Vincent Privat vinc...@josm.openstreetmap.de:

 Hi everyone,

 The JOSM server will be shut down for maintenance at 20:00 GMT (in 10
 minutes).

 Following services will be unavailable:
 - wiki
 - bug reporting
 - download from website
 - SVN

 It's a perfect time to test the new offline mode of JOSM :)
 java -jar josm.jar --offline=josm_website

 Regards,
 Vincent

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[josm-dev] JOSM Server Sponsoring (Hetzner)

2014-01-10 Thread Dirk Stöcker

Hello,

as the 1 year sponsoring is over in February I asked for an update. 
Hetzner updated the sponsoring for another year, so we don't need to find 
a new server for 2014. Server works fine after most of the performance 
issues caused by WebCrawlers have been reduced (not by totally prohibiting 
crawling like some sites do, but by adapted I/O settings).


Thanks a lot to Hetzner for their sponsoring!

Some stats: The server delivers between 20 and 30 GB data a day and about 
750 GB a month. One third of this is the daily backup :-) We could deliver 
4TB without bandwidth restriction, so there is some space for growth.


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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Server

2013-04-29 Thread Dirk Stöcker

On Wed, 20 Mar 2013, Dirk Stöcker wrote:


 Do you think a split per country would be enough ?


I think about a system similar to Presets and Styles. Simply a subpage 
containing whatever part we think useful. Though there must be code to join 
that stuff later again. :-)


Give me some time for that...


The Maps page can now be split into multiple sub-pages, with Maps/... as 
name. I added one test example for the rather larger bavarian entry.


I think the short entries should be left on the main page and only the 
ones with lot of lines moved to own pages.


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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Server

2013-03-20 Thread Dirk Stöcker

On Tue, 19 Mar 2013, Vincent Privat wrote:


Do you think a split per country would be enough ?


I think about a system similar to Presets and Styles. Simply a subpage 
containing whatever part we think useful. Though there must be code to 
join that stuff later again. :-)


Give me some time for that...

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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Server

2013-03-20 Thread Dirk Stöcker

On Tue, 19 Mar 2013, Paul Norman wrote:


It's also hard to edit a wiki page that long. I've been copying the page out
to a text editor, editing it, the pasting it back in. With the size the page
is I think it should either be split into multiple sub-pages (global,
Americas, Europe, etc) or managed with source code version control. The Wiki
was not designed for a massive XML page.


Originally the page was not designed that large. The border outlines 
weren't expected in design stage :-)


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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Server and Database

2013-03-19 Thread Dirk Stöcker

On Tue, 19 Mar 2013, Vincent Privat wrote:


Ok thanks, it's much better right now, integrated on the right side of the
front page :)


Ah, you mean my version? I expected someone else to make a better variant. 
Mine was only the kickstarter - I'm not the graphics guy at all :-)


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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Server

2013-03-19 Thread Dirk Stöcker

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013, Ian Dees wrote:


For the default maps sources externals will not be allowed. That would
disable the security checks.


What security checks are you talking about?


When you save the page, you can't simply save everthing. E.G. the XML 
structure is validated as well as certain options are forbidden to 
change for non-admins.


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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Server

2013-03-19 Thread Ian Dees
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 6:10 AM, Dirk Stöcker openstreet...@dstoecker.dewrote:

 On Mon, 18 Mar 2013, Ian Dees wrote:

  For the default maps sources externals will not be allowed. That would
 disable the security checks.

  What security checks are you talking about?


 When you save the page, you can't simply save everthing. E.G. the XML
 structure is validated as well as certain options are forbidden to change
 for non-admins.


Those sorts of security checks could be enforced both by the script that
converts from the JSON files to the JOSM XML format and by the admins
merging pull requests from users.

I'm not trying to force a change on JOSM, but I think it would benefit the
OSM community as a whole to consolidate work on this sort of information
that's used by the editor.
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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Server

2013-03-19 Thread Dirk Stöcker

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013, Simon Legner wrote:


What about re-generating this file on modification and shipping as fast
as possible (using Apache directly, Nginx or Varsnish). Maybe, having a
subdomain for static content might be worth a try (getting rid of
cookies, sessions etc.).


/maps is cached now.

In a test I saw that editing the maps page is awful slow. It really must 
be splitted. Takes about 45 seconds to change the page (after I improved 
the validation, before it took many minutes).


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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Server

2013-03-19 Thread Vincent Privat
Do you think a split per country would be enough ?


2013/3/19 Dirk Stöcker openstreet...@dstoecker.de

 On Mon, 18 Mar 2013, Simon Legner wrote:

  What about re-generating this file on modification and shipping as fast
 as possible (using Apache directly, Nginx or Varsnish). Maybe, having a
 subdomain for static content might be worth a try (getting rid of
 cookies, sessions etc.).


 /maps is cached now.

 In a test I saw that editing the maps page is awful slow. It really must
 be splitted. Takes about 45 seconds to change the page (after I improved
 the validation, before it took many minutes).


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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Server

2013-03-19 Thread Paul Norman
 From: Dirk Stöcker [mailto:openstreet...@dstoecker.de]
 Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 12:31 PM
 To: josm-dev@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Server
 
 On Mon, 18 Mar 2013, Simon Legner wrote:
 
  What about re-generating this file on modification and shipping as
  fast as possible (using Apache directly, Nginx or Varsnish). Maybe,
  having a subdomain for static content might be worth a try (getting
  rid of cookies, sessions etc.).
 
 /maps is cached now.
 
 In a test I saw that editing the maps page is awful slow. It really must
 be splitted. Takes about 45 seconds to change the page (after I improved
 the validation, before it took many minutes).

It's also hard to edit a wiki page that long. I've been copying the page out
to a text editor, editing it, the pasting it back in. With the size the page
is I think it should either be split into multiple sub-pages (global,
Americas, Europe, etc) or managed with source code version control. The Wiki
was not designed for a massive XML page.


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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Server

2013-03-19 Thread Ian Dees
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:

  From: Dirk Stöcker [mailto:openstreet...@dstoecker.de]
  Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 12:31 PM
  To: josm-dev@openstreetmap.org
  Subject: Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Server
 
  On Mon, 18 Mar 2013, Simon Legner wrote:
 
   What about re-generating this file on modification and shipping as
   fast as possible (using Apache directly, Nginx or Varsnish). Maybe,
   having a subdomain for static content might be worth a try (getting
   rid of cookies, sessions etc.).
 
  /maps is cached now.
 
  In a test I saw that editing the maps page is awful slow. It really must
  be splitted. Takes about 45 seconds to change the page (after I improved
  the validation, before it took many minutes).

 It's also hard to edit a wiki page that long. I've been copying the page
 out
 to a text editor, editing it, the pasting it back in. With the size the
 page
 is I think it should either be split into multiple sub-pages (global,
 Americas, Europe, etc) or managed with source code version control. The
 Wiki
 was not designed for a massive XML page.


Trying to edit the wiki page is why I started the project to abstract away
the imagery XML into separate files. My GitHub project already breaks apart
the JOSM imagery XML into one file per entry to make it easier to edit and
can be combined back together to build the JOSM imagery XML again.
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[josm-dev] JOSM Server

2013-03-18 Thread Dirk Stöcker

Hello,

additional to Pauls text some background information:

We had server troubles regarding the database performance for about 2 
years now. Mainly these issues have been caused by the increasing activity 
of you all which resulted in growing database and activity. SqLite is a 
very simple database and got to its limits. The JOSM-Trac was too 
successful (one of the reasons why there are so many spam attempts :-)


To fix the database issues I wanted to change to postgresql instead, which 
is more suitable for the current requirements. As the change of the 
database is a big issue and the current server had no IPV6 connectivity I 
simply asked Hetzner for sponsoring a new server not really expecting a 
positive answer. But they said yes immediatelly, so database upgrade also 
got server move. I promised them some unobtrusive advertising for their 
sponsoring, but there is no contract enforcing this.


BTW: Why Hetzner - I use them private and in company a lot and they are 
pretty good.


So I got a complete new server instead of only a new database. The hosting 
with FOSSGIS was fine, nothing to blame about this (the IPV6 issue is due 
to the fact GFZ has no IPV6 yet). Thought an own server is always a bit 
better. So instead of only doing the database update we also have a new 
server now (still database migration was much more work than the server 
move - we have a pretty good guide for server migration right now, we did 
it 2 times in the past :-).


Regarding new server, database: There needs to be a little more 
finetuning, so the setup does not exceed the available ressources - The 
defaults of web server and database are very ressource hungry for no good 
reason. Please report any issues - I expect some more troubles in the next 
days, but hopefully we have some time until we exceed limits next time.


So lots of thanks again to FOSSGIS who provided server space for us for 
such a long time. As there is enough demand for computer power in the OSM 
community I believe the old server soon will get used for other fancy 
purposes.


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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Server and Database

2013-03-18 Thread Dirk Stöcker

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013, Vincent Privat wrote:


Is this big and ugly new sponsor logo really needed as it ? I find very
disturbing to display such a large commercial logo without any discussion
first ?


Large one? I placed a rather small logo on the start page. The idea was to 
show the sponsor, but very decent.


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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Server and Database

2013-03-18 Thread Martin Vonwald
Hi!

2013/3/18 Dirk Stöcker openstreet...@dstoecker.de:
 On Mon, 18 Mar 2013, Vincent Privat wrote:
 Is this big and ugly new sponsor logo really needed as it ? I find very
 disturbing to display such a large commercial logo without any discussion
 first ?
 Large one? I placed a rather small logo on the start page. The idea was to
 show the sponsor, but very decent.

Ah - now I found the logo! Took me some time to spot it.

If they sponsor the server why should this be hidden? Everyone who's
willing to pay the bills to get rid of this big and ugly new sponsor
logo may now stand up.  Anyone?  Hello?

@Dirk: thanks for the update!

Best regards,
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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Server and Database

2013-03-18 Thread Dirk Stöcker

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013, Martin Vonwald wrote:


Large one? I placed a rather small logo on the start page. The idea was to
show the sponsor, but very decent.


Ah - now I found the logo! Took me some time to spot it.

If they sponsor the server why should this be hidden? Everyone who's
willing to pay the bills to get rid of this big and ugly new sponsor
logo may now stand up.  Anyone?  Hello?


They don't request a large and ugly logo. They are pretty open. Thought 
I promised them a decent solution. And I find the current one rather 
non-disturbing. Maybe there are browser configurations where it looks 
ugly?


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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Server and Database

2013-03-18 Thread Richard Welty
On 3/18/13 8:23 AM, Martin Vonwald wrote:
 Hi!

 2013/3/18 Dirk Stöcker openstreet...@dstoecker.de:
 On Mon, 18 Mar 2013, Vincent Privat wrote:
 Is this big and ugly new sponsor logo really needed as it ? I find very
 disturbing to display such a large commercial logo without any discussion
 first ?
 Large one? I placed a rather small logo on the start page. The idea was to
 show the sponsor, but very decent.
 Ah - now I found the logo! Took me some time to spot it.

 If they sponsor the server why should this be hidden? Everyone who's
 willing to pay the bills to get rid of this big and ugly new sponsor
 logo may now stand up.  Anyone?  Hello?

that's a really restrained logo. keep it.

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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Server and Database

2013-03-18 Thread Paul Hartmann

On 03/18/2013 12:38 AM, Vincent Privat wrote:

Is this big and ugly new sponsor logo really needed as it ? I find very
disturbing to display such a large commercial logo without any discussion
first ?


I've slightly adapted the size and position:

from  http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/WikiStart?version=191

tohttp://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/WikiStart?version=192

I'm sorry, we haven't involved you earlier, see my other mail for some 
background info.


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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Server

2013-03-18 Thread Ian Dees
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Dirk Stöcker
openstreet...@dstoecker.dewrote:

 Hello,

 additional to Pauls text some background information:

 We had server troubles regarding the database performance for about 2
 years now. Mainly these issues have been caused by the increasing activity
 of you all which resulted in growing database and activity. SqLite is a
 very simple database and got to its limits. The JOSM-Trac was too
 successful (one of the reasons why there are so many spam attempts :-)


Why does JOSM rely on a database-driven wiki at all? It's great that you
use trac and the wiki for project management, but the stuff that JOSM loads
is all relatively static, right? The imagery, presets, styles, and front
page documents all change infrequently and could be served as static files
somewhere so you don't require database actions every time someone starts
JOSM.
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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Server

2013-03-18 Thread Dirk Stöcker

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013, Ian Dees wrote:


Why does JOSM rely on a database-driven wiki at all? It's great that you
use trac and the wiki for project management, but the stuff that JOSM loads
is all relatively static, right? The imagery, presets, styles, and front
page documents all change infrequently and could be served as static files


Some of these are pregenerated files (thought delivered dynamically, like 
maps, presets, styles, plugins, ...). Others are dynamic and usually for 
good reason. Others are plain static (like e.g. the downloads, icons, 
...).


There is little we can gain by optimizing this further. What creates a lot 
of load are necessary database accesses and sometimes large results. 
Reducing them would reduce the service of JOSM. As long as we get the 
required server power there is no need to restrict service.



somewhere so you don't require database actions every time someone starts
JOSM.


Actually the amount of connects by JOSM itself can be ignored compared to 
the web spiders, SPAM bots, hacker attempts and all the other things 
accessing a webpage nowadays. And the wiki, ticket and svn stuff is pretty 
dynamic.


If only real users would access the webpage we would have less trouble. 
Blocking stuff for spiders on the other hand is also no good idea, as web 
search engines like Google are the main entrypoint to the pages (f.e. we 
have pretty good clicktrough rates with Google.) To have good performance 
for the users there must be a lot performance left to serve all the 
others.


I don't have a problem with the fact that the server has to do lots of 
work. It shows that JOSM is nowhere near beeing a dead project. :)


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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Server

2013-03-18 Thread Simon Legner
Hi all,

On Mon, 2013-03-18 at 17:14 +0100, Dirk Stöcker wrote:
 So lots of thanks again to

First of all big thanks to the JOSM server admins (Dirk and Paul, I
guess) for administrating, optimising, keeping alive the server. There's
hardly a bigger obstacle than a not working project management for
distributed free software development. In this light, I'm happy with the
recent server migration (thanks to Hetzner, at this point). In relation
to annoying ads and useless other images, the logo is hardly
visible. :-)

Also thanks to all (other) JOSM contributors and user for the cool
recent features, great ideas, translations, the not-forgotten
documentation etc. I think we are a great team!

Cheers,
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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Server

2013-03-18 Thread Ian Dees
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Dirk Stöcker
openstreet...@dstoecker.dewrote:

 On Mon, 18 Mar 2013, Simon Legner wrote:


 What about re-generating this file on modification and shipping as fast
 as possible (using Apache directly, Nginx or Varsnish). Maybe, having a
 subdomain for static content might be worth a try (getting rid of
 cookies, sessions etc.).


 Actually while I wrote that text I thought that maybe /maps actually is
 a point for improvement and could be delivered static :-)

 Thought when I change that, I think about splitting that large page into
 smaller subpages, as editing the page also got a demanding task today. OTOH
 that makes stuff more complicated - will have to think about a useful
 solution.


Would you consider requesting the imagery.xml from a separate server? I've
slowly been working on a project to store the imagery presets across all
editors [0] so that someone who wanted to add their imagery layer could do
it in one spot and have it show up in all editors that use the same source
files.

For now, that project contains a script that spits out tons of JSON
documents. The goal is to store those JSON documents in GitHub and write
scripts that write out files in formats specific to the various editors.
These files could then be grabbed by the editors themselves.

I'm considering doing the same sort of thing for presets, but obviously
that would require more coordination.

[0] https://github.com/iandees/editor-imagery-index
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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Server

2013-03-18 Thread Dirk Stöcker

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013, Ian Dees wrote:


Would you consider requesting the imagery.xml from a separate server? I've
slowly been working on a project to store the imagery presets across all
editors [0] so that someone who wanted to add their imagery layer could do
it in one spot and have it show up in all editors that use the same source
files.

For now, that project contains a script that spits out tons of JSON
documents. The goal is to store those JSON documents in GitHub and write
scripts that write out files in formats specific to the various editors.
These files could then be grabbed by the editors themselves.

I'm considering doing the same sort of thing for presets, but obviously
that would require more coordination.


That is already possible. Additional XML-Sources can be supplied in 
advanced prefs. You could provide an preferences loader-file including the 
link, which can be installed in josm very simple. I have my own private 
XML as well, which I install in all my josm instances.


For the default maps sources externals will not be allowed. That would 
disable the security checks.


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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Server

2013-03-18 Thread Ian Dees
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Dirk Stöcker openstreet...@dstoecker.dewrote:


 For the default maps sources externals will not be allowed. That would
 disable the security checks.


What security checks are you talking about?
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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Server

2013-03-18 Thread colliar
On 18.03.2013 18:31, Simon Legner wrote:
 On Mon, 2013-03-18 at 17:46 +0100, Dirk Stöcker wrote:

Thanks for your work.

 Actually the amount of connects by JOSM itself can be ignored
 compared to the web spiders, SPAM bots, hacker attempts and all the
 other things accessing a webpage nowadays. And the wiki, ticket and
 svn stuff is pretty dynamic.

 If only real users would access the webpage we would have less
 trouble. Blocking stuff for spiders on the other hand is also no
 good idea, as web search engines like Google are the main entrypoint
 to the pages (f.e. we have pretty good clicktrough rates with
 Google.) To have good performance for the users there must be a lot
 performance left to serve all the others.

Some service like search do not need to be crawled

 What about re-generating this file on modification and shipping as fast
 as possible (using Apache directly, Nginx or Varsnish). Maybe, having a
 subdomain for static content might be worth a try (getting rid of
 cookies, sessions etc.).

Thought trac is using caching itself already.

Good setup would be nginx + varnish and then trac.

nginx could offer http and https and looping internal on varnish with
http (maybe socks).

Definitely, a bit more complicated than using apache and only theory.

Just my two cents
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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Server and Database

2013-03-18 Thread Vincent Privat
Ok thanks, it's much better right now, integrated on the right side of the
front page :)
I recognize I may have have over-reacted, sorry for that. Thank you Dirk
for finding us a new server :)


2013/3/18 Paul Hartmann phaau...@googlemail.com

 On 03/18/2013 12:38 AM, Vincent Privat wrote:

 Is this big and ugly new sponsor logo really needed as it ? I find very
 disturbing to display such a large commercial logo without any discussion
 first ?


 I've slightly adapted the size and position:

 from  
 http://josm.openstreetmap.de/**wiki/WikiStart?version=191http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/WikiStart?version=191

 to
 http://josm.openstreetmap.de/**wiki/WikiStart?version=192http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/WikiStart?version=192

 I'm sorry, we haven't involved you earlier, see my other mail for some
 background info.

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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Server and Database

2013-03-17 Thread Dirk Stöcker

Hello,

since maybe 2 years we always had troubles with the database, which increased 
a lot in size and locks permanently. To hopefully solve this situation I 
decided to go away from the simple sqlite and use postgres instead. The 
switch of database hopefully will get finished this weekend.


There will be a downtime of approx. 1 hour when I do the final transfer.


Server moved, but the IP addresses are still wrong. Until that is fixed 
you can reach the josm pages at 78.47.52.148 or 2a01:4f8:d16:2082::2.


I hope all the database locked issues are now history.

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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Server and Database

2013-03-17 Thread Jo
2013/3/17 Dirk Stöcker openstreet...@dstoecker.de

 Hello,

  since maybe 2 years we always had troubles with the database, which
 increased a lot in size and locks permanently. To hopefully solve this
 situation I decided to go away from the simple sqlite and use postgres
 instead. The switch of database hopefully will get finished this weekend.

 There will be a downtime of approx. 1 hour when I do the final transfer.


 Server moved, but the IP addresses are still wrong. Until that is fixed
 you can reach the josm pages at 78.47.52.148 or 2a01:4f8:d16:2082::2.

 I hope all the database locked issues are now history.


That fancy IPv6 address will only work if you happen to have a valid public
IPv6 address yourself already, of course.

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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Server and Database

2013-03-17 Thread Dirk Stöcker

On Sun, 17 Mar 2013, Jo wrote:


Server moved, but the IP addresses are still wrong. Until that is fixed
you can reach the josm pages at 78.47.52.148 or 2a01:4f8:d16:2082::2.

I hope all the database locked issues are now history.


That fancy IPv6 address will only work if you happen to have a valid public
IPv6 address yourself already, of course.


The same is true for the IPv4 address.

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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Server and Database

2013-03-17 Thread Vincent Privat
Is this big and ugly new sponsor logo really needed as it ? I find very
disturbing to display such a large commercial logo without any discussion
first ?


2013/3/17 Dirk Stöcker openstreet...@dstoecker.de

 On Sun, 17 Mar 2013, Jo wrote:

  Server moved, but the IP addresses are still wrong. Until that is fixed
 you can reach the josm pages at 78.47.52.148 or 2a01:4f8:d16:2082::2.

 I hope all the database locked issues are now history.


 That fancy IPv6 address will only work if you happen to have a valid
 public
 IPv6 address yourself already, of course.


 The same is true for the IPv4 address.


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[josm-dev] JOSM Server and Database

2013-03-16 Thread Dirk Stöcker

Hello,

since maybe 2 years we always had troubles with the database, which 
increased a lot in size and locks permanently. To hopefully solve this 
situation I decided to go away from the simple sqlite and use postgres 
instead. The switch of database hopefully will get finished this weekend.


There will be a downtime of approx. 1 hour when I do the final transfer.

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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM server move

2012-04-12 Thread colliar
On 12/04/12 13:33, Simon Legner wrote:
 The installation on the new server seems to be stable, but very likely I
 will have overlooked something, so afterwards please report any errors
 which you notice.
 
 While closing a ticket, I got:
 Warning: The change has been saved, but an error occurred while sending 
 notifications: 97 Die Adressfamilie wird von der Protokollfamilie nicht 
 unterstützt

Got the same changing the summary + adding a comment




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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM server move

2012-04-12 Thread Dirk Stöcker

On Wed, 11 Apr 2012, Dirk Stöcker wrote:

probably tomorrow the old JOSM server will be turned down and move to its new 
destination. Expect small downtimes (maybe 30 minutes).


The installation on the new server seems to be stable, but very likely I will 
have overlooked something, so afterwards please report any errors which you 
notice.


It took a bit longer, but everything should be working again now.

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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM server move

2012-04-12 Thread colliar
On 12/04/12 13:17, Simon Legner wrote:
Hey Dirk!

 On 12/04/12 13:06, Dirk Stöcker wrote:
 It took a bit longer, but everything should be working again now.
 
 Nice, thank you :-)

Thanks for your work !!

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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM server move

2012-04-12 Thread Simon Legner
 The installation on the new server seems to be stable, but very likely I
 will have overlooked something, so afterwards please report any errors
 which you notice.

While closing a ticket, I got:
 Warning: The change has been saved, but an error occurred while sending 
 notifications: 97 Die Adressfamilie wird von der Protokollfamilie nicht 
 unterstützt

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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM server move

2012-04-12 Thread Dirk Stöcker

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012, Simon Legner wrote:


The installation on the new server seems to be stable, but very likely I
will have overlooked something, so afterwards please report any errors
which you notice.


While closing a ticket, I got:

Warning: The change has been saved, but an error occurred while sending 
notifications: 97 Die Adressfamilie wird von der Protokollfamilie nicht 
unterstützt


Hmm, please report similar issues if possible with accurate time. This 
could explain, why sometimes on old server there where no notifications 
(or it is a new bug).


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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM server move

2012-04-12 Thread colliar
On 12/04/12 13:59, Dirk Stöcker wrote:
 On Thu, 12 Apr 2012, Simon Legner wrote:
 
 The installation on the new server seems to be stable, but very likely I
 will have overlooked something, so afterwards please report any errors
 which you notice.

 While closing a ticket, I got:
 Warning: The change has been saved, but an error occurred while
 sending notifications: 97 Die Adressfamilie wird von der
 Protokollfamilie nicht unterstützt
 
 Hmm, please report similar issues if possible with accurate time. This
 could explain, why sometimes on old server there where no notifications
 (or it is a new bug).

I get this message on every change of tickets (create new #7602, change
summary #7032, close as duplicate #7598)

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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM server move

2012-04-12 Thread colliar
On 12/04/12 13:59, Dirk Stöcker wrote:
 On Thu, 12 Apr 2012, Simon Legner wrote:
 
 The installation on the new server seems to be stable, but very likely I
 will have overlooked something, so afterwards please report any errors
 which you notice.

 While closing a ticket, I got:
 Warning: The change has been saved, but an error occurred while
 sending notifications: 97 Die Adressfamilie wird von der
 Protokollfamilie nicht unterstützt
 
 Hmm, please report similar issues if possible with accurate time. This
 could explain, why sometimes on old server there where no notifications
 (or it is a new bug).

Once again adding a comment to #3145 at 14:49 CEST

The responce time is really fast though !






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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM server move

2012-04-12 Thread Dirk Stöcker

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012, colliar wrote:


I get this message on every change of tickets (create new #7602, change
summary #7032, close as duplicate #7598)


Working now?

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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM server move

2012-04-12 Thread colliar
On 12/04/12 15:32, colliar wrote:
 On 12/04/12 14:58, Dirk Stöcker wrote:
 On Thu, 12 Apr 2012, colliar wrote:

 Working now?

I got a new error message adding comment #16 to #3531 at 18:24 CEST:

Warning: The change has been saved, but an error occurred while sending
notifications: 

Sending the full message as private mail to keep privacy.

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[josm-dev] JOSM server move

2012-04-11 Thread Dirk Stöcker

Hello,

probably tomorrow the old JOSM server will be turned down and move to its 
new destination. Expect small downtimes (maybe 30 minutes).


The installation on the new server seems to be stable, but very likely I 
will have overlooked something, so afterwards please report any errors 
which you notice.


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[josm-dev] JOSM Server moved - NEWS

2009-02-20 Thread Dirk Stöcker
Hello,

the JOSM Server moved and I'm now the official maintainer :-)

During the server changes I also introduced some news - TRAC now supports 
lots of options it did not support before.

a) State NEEDINFO has been introduced.
b) Trac has now Bayes-filtering for SPAM detection. It will take some
time till the filter is trained well. Currently it is good but ignores
some stuff.
c) Trac now supports email notifications.
d) New Links http://josm.openstreetmap.org/latest and
http://josm.openstreetmap.org/tested return software versions
e) TRAC allow to register logins for those of you, who use it more often.
f) Whereas #1234 allowed to reference a bug and r1234 or [1234] a change
we now have #o1234 and [o1234] to reference reports and changes in the
main OSM bug tracker/svn.
g) The is a close as duplicate action which closes as duplicate and
enters that fact in the duplicate report.

Comments, errors, suggestions wellcome. Don't inform me about new SPAM 
during the next week and also do nothing with it. I will handle that.

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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Server moved - NEWS

2009-02-20 Thread Andreas Titz
Dirk Stöcker wrote:
 d) New Links http://josm.openstreetmap.org/latest and
 http://josm.openstreetmap.org/tested return software versions

These links seem to be wrong.
But http://josm.openstreetmap.de/latest and 
http://josm.openstreetmap.de/tested are working.

Andreas


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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Server moved - NEWS

2009-02-20 Thread Dirk Stöcker

On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Andreas Titz wrote:


Dirk Stöcker wrote:

d) New Links http://josm.openstreetmap.org/latest and
http://josm.openstreetmap.org/tested return software versions


These links seem to be wrong.
But http://josm.openstreetmap.de/latest and
http://josm.openstreetmap.de/tested are working.


Well, sure! :-)

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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Server moved - NEWS

2009-02-20 Thread Dirk Stöcker

On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Dirk Stöcker wrote:


Comments, errors, suggestions wellcome. Don't inform me about new SPAM
during the next week and also do nothing with it. I will handle that.


I tried to remove all old SPAM entries from the database. So do not 
inform me about new SPAM, but inform me about OLD SPAM (by mail).


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