Re: [OSM-dev] HALP! transiki needs YOU!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 08-12-10 21:30, Mike Dupont schreef: > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote: >> But please understand that timetables is something that is in the process of >> being phased out anyway... and routes are basically 'trivial' to get. > > Ok, well if you have data we can try and import into transiki db, I > will look into it. > so you have the position of the trains? Positions of trains is currently being worked on (basically getting the specifications etc.) There is some preliminary support for positions of some busses for one bus company that has this data 'sometimes' available. For about 50% of all Dutch busses the data is currently being collected per minute for management and Dynamic Travel Information Publishing. In principle 2011 would allow to connect to that 'huge' mass. What we made available on the Dutch OSM mirror is busstops, and 'known' bus routes. But some routes still need to be integrated. Anyway I hope a suite datamodel is defined, topology based. > Also we need to look at generating wikipedia articles on the routes > like the have for the paris and ny metros. Sounds like a job for XSLT ;) Stefan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEAREKAAYFAkz/7bEACgkQYH1+F2Rqwn1q7gCfd9CDTKhQ+PRY6TNuWnloHcei C/wAnRUwilQQZZbchmydbRdB5m98smMz =Jvcs -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] HALP! transiki needs YOU!
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote: > But please understand that timetables is something that is in the process of > being phased out anyway... and routes are basically 'trivial' to get. Ok, well if you have data we can try and import into transiki db, I will look into it. so you have the position of the trains? Also we need to look at generating wikipedia articles on the routes like the have for the paris and ny metros. mike -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania flossk.org flossal.org ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] HALP! transiki needs YOU!
On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, Mike Dupont wrote: Ok Stefan, I am sorry that I have not read about all these things you guys have been doing. please tell me, how do you get all this data? Is there a way to extract all the transit data from osm in an easy way? that would be a good test for transiki to import this. Most of our data goes into OpenStreetMap and does not come from OpenStreetMap. OpenStreetMap is primary used for geo-semantical stuff recovery. In The Netherlands, by law, any transit provider has to offer their data to any national transit routing provider. Inventive as we are the government even defined a standard for that called 'BISON' they are focussing now on the european variant. In every respect both are bloated and the Dutch one is plain ugly. But like OSM, it works. Level 1 is basically the static and positional data. The aditional levels include updates and realtime information exchange. All this was done prior to the deployment of the Dutch National Databank for Public Transport data. Our insentive is basically to help define, and implement a reference infrastructure for this 'hub'. This reference might become the actual thing. Train information is a sperate issue, currently there is a realtime system that manages that located at the governmental company that manages the complete traininfrastructure (opposed to the companies that drive the trains on them). The idea is to have their system as client to ours, and inject the data that can be subscribed to. Because our system is primary targeted to The Netherlands and to data exchange, opposed to harvesting as much as you can eat, the documents are in dutch, but easy to translate. I wouldn't mind to send in a lot of Dutch content to your project. But please understand that timetables is something that is in the process of being phased out anyway... and routes are basically 'trivial' to get. Stefan ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] HALP! transiki needs YOU!
Ok Stefan, I am sorry that I have not read about all these things you guys have been doing. please tell me, how do you get all this data? Is there a way to extract all the transit data from osm in an easy way? that would be a good test for transiki to import this. mike On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote: > On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, Mike Dupont wrote: > >> realtime could be provided by such a thing as GEORSS >> http://www.georss.org/Main_Page >> >> where you show either, where the things SHOULD BE, or another feed >> with where they have last been reported to have been. > > Our design documents include GeoRSS feeds over XMPP. Currently implemented > with some python code and ejabberd. > > So a 3rd party subscribes to an active route, gets data, unsubscribes. > > > Stefan > -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania flossk.org flossal.org ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] HALP! transiki needs YOU!
On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, Mike Dupont wrote: realtime could be provided by such a thing as GEORSS http://www.georss.org/Main_Page where you show either, where the things SHOULD BE, or another feed with where they have last been reported to have been. Our design documents include GeoRSS feeds over XMPP. Currently implemented with some python code and ejabberd. So a 3rd party subscribes to an active route, gets data, unsubscribes. Stefan ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] HALP! transiki needs YOU!
realtime could be provided by such a thing as GEORSS http://www.georss.org/Main_Page where you show either, where the things SHOULD BE, or another feed with where they have last been reported to have been. mike On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote: > On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, SteveC wrote: > >> Transiki is like OSM but stores magical transit data. It's approximately, >> nearly, at 0.1. It looks and feels very similar to OSM internally. It's >> written in rails, it's API looks similar and so on. You can think of it as a >> baby OSM. >> >> I'm a little overwhelmed and haven't had the time to review patches sent >> in, update the site etc. >> >> So, if you are a rails person or want to be and have a couple of hours >> please have a look at transiki. Anyone contributing will be sent an I Love >> You bean. > > If it is like OSM then I think you are focussing on static data. Hence it > would be as non-innovative as Google Transit. For a Dutch variant OpenOV.nl > (Open Public Transport) we go beyond static data, we go for realtime > positioning and sharing this information using open standards and open > protocols. > > This data is available as well for many governments, transit providers, > etc.. And best of all, we are only a HUB to the data. > > > So I hope people realise that they can request the same data as Google does. > And going realtime is where you want to be in 2011. > > > Stefan > > ___ > dev mailing list > dev@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev > -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania flossk.org flossal.org ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] HALP! transiki needs YOU!
Well, obviously :-) On Dec 8, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Stefan de Konink wrote: > On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, SteveC wrote: > >> Transiki is like OSM but stores magical transit data. It's approximately, >> nearly, at 0.1. It looks and feels very similar to OSM internally. It's >> written in rails, it's API looks similar and so on. You can think of it as a >> baby OSM. >> >> I'm a little overwhelmed and haven't had the time to review patches sent in, >> update the site etc. >> >> So, if you are a rails person or want to be and have a couple of hours >> please have a look at transiki. Anyone contributing will be sent an I Love >> You bean. > > If it is like OSM then I think you are focussing on static data. Hence it > would be as non-innovative as Google Transit. For a Dutch variant OpenOV.nl > (Open Public Transport) we go beyond static data, we go for realtime > positioning and sharing this information using open standards and open > protocols. > > This data is available as well for many governments, transit providers, etc.. > And best of all, we are only a HUB to the data. > > > So I hope people realise that they can request the same data as Google does. > And going realtime is where you want to be in 2011. > > > Stefan > Steve stevecoast.com ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] HALP! transiki needs YOU!
On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, SteveC wrote: Transiki is like OSM but stores magical transit data. It's approximately, nearly, at 0.1. It looks and feels very similar to OSM internally. It's written in rails, it's API looks similar and so on. You can think of it as a baby OSM. I'm a little overwhelmed and haven't had the time to review patches sent in, update the site etc. So, if you are a rails person or want to be and have a couple of hours please have a look at transiki. Anyone contributing will be sent an I Love You bean. If it is like OSM then I think you are focussing on static data. Hence it would be as non-innovative as Google Transit. For a Dutch variant OpenOV.nl (Open Public Transport) we go beyond static data, we go for realtime positioning and sharing this information using open standards and open protocols. This data is available as well for many governments, transit providers, etc.. And best of all, we are only a HUB to the data. So I hope people realise that they can request the same data as Google does. And going realtime is where you want to be in 2011. Stefan ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
