Re: The road to TomEE 8

[Mark Struberg]

The difference is in the marketing and how we can describe it. 

We can claim that TomEE 8.0.x is production ready, but we cannot claim that we 
implement EE 8 until we got all parts.
And then when moving to 8.1 we can make rumble again. 

But true, apart from probably 1 lib there won't be much difference to the 
latest 8.0.x version - it's just the perception from a user perspective which 
makes a HUGE difference ;)

LieGrue,
strub

> Am 09.08.2017 um 07:09 schrieb Romain Manni-Bucau :
> 
> 
> Well we can go with 8.0.x when finished since for users - and versioning -
> it doesnt change much.

Re: The road to TomEE 8

[Romain Manni-Bucau]

2017-08-09 13:15 GMT+02:00 Mark Struberg :

> The difference is in the marketing and how we can describe it.
>
> We can claim that TomEE 8.0.x is production ready, but we cannot claim
> that we implement EE 8 until we got all parts.
> And then when moving to 8.1 we can make rumble again.
>
> But true, apart from probably 1 lib there won't be much difference to the
> latest 8.0.x version - it's just the perception from a user perspective
> which makes a HUGE difference ;)
>
>
Maybe let's postpone this discussion until it becomes "possible" if you get
what I mean ;)


> LieGrue,
> strub
>
> > Am 09.08.2017 um 07:09 schrieb Romain Manni-Bucau  >:
> >
> >
> > Well we can go with 8.0.x when finished since for users - and versioning
> -
> > it doesnt change much.
>
>

[DISCUSS] Code donations: Sheldon and Chatterbox

[David Blevins]

Hi All,

I’d like to open the topic of potentially donating a couple components we’ve 
built over at tomitribe.io to our beloved TomEE project:

 - https://tomitribe.io/projects/sheldon 
 - https://tomitribe.io/projects/chatterbox 


There are couple motivating factors:

 - show the TomEE ecosystem is a bit bigger than just the server
 - provide a clear pattern for “crazy new ideas” to start here that could 
potentially benefit TomEE or other EE related-projects
 - more opportunities to earn commit
 - give the community a boost

We went from EJB container to EE server.  I’d be great to take another step and 
see us go to EE ecosystem.

Thoughts?


-- 
David Blevins
http://twitter.com/dblevins
http://www.tomitribe.com

Re: [DISCUSS] Code donations: Sheldon and Chatterbox

[Elder Moraes]

Don't know if I'm allowed to answer... and my apologies if I wasn't... :-)

But from the point of view of the community, I think it would be awesome.
TomEE has been my default EE server for a long time and it would be great
to see it even more powerful.

Didn't know these projects, but just had a look at them and love it!


Cheers,


Elder 

Twitter: @elderjava 
Blog: http://eldermoraes.com




2017-08-09 22:58 GMT-03:00 David Blevins :

> Hi All,
>
> I’d like to open the topic of potentially donating a couple components
> we’ve built over at tomitribe.io to our beloved TomEE project:
>
>  - https://tomitribe.io/projects/sheldon  projects/sheldon>
>  - https://tomitribe.io/projects/chatterbox  projects/chatterbox>
>
> There are couple motivating factors:
>
>  - show the TomEE ecosystem is a bit bigger than just the server
>  - provide a clear pattern for “crazy new ideas” to start here that could
> potentially benefit TomEE or other EE related-projects
>  - more opportunities to earn commit
>  - give the community a boost
>
> We went from EJB container to EE server.  I’d be great to take another
> step and see us go to EE ecosystem.
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
> --
> David Blevins
> http://twitter.com/dblevins
> http://www.tomitribe.com
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Code donations: Sheldon and Chatterbox

[John D. Ament]

Don't forget to do IP clearance


I personally think these are awesome projects.  David's been passionate
about this stuff for a long time, and I was really hopefully to get these
MDB enhancements working on the JMS spec, never happened :-(

It would be great to see these at Apache, and hopefully with a pretty
robust test suite showing them working in multiple EE containers.

John

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 9:58 PM David Blevins 
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I’d like to open the topic of potentially donating a couple components
> we’ve built over at tomitribe.io to our beloved TomEE project:
>
>  - https://tomitribe.io/projects/sheldon <
> https://tomitribe.io/projects/sheldon>
>  - https://tomitribe.io/projects/chatterbox <
> https://tomitribe.io/projects/chatterbox>
>
> There are couple motivating factors:
>
>  - show the TomEE ecosystem is a bit bigger than just the server
>  - provide a clear pattern for “crazy new ideas” to start here that could
> potentially benefit TomEE or other EE related-projects
>  - more opportunities to earn commit
>  - give the community a boost
>
> We went from EJB container to EE server.  I’d be great to take another
> step and see us go to EE ecosystem.
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
> --
> David Blevins
> http://twitter.com/dblevins
> http://www.tomitribe.com
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Code donations: Sheldon and Chatterbox

[David Blevins]

> On Aug 9, 2017, at 7:18 PM, Elder Moraes  wrote:
> 
> Don't know if I'm allowed to answer... and my apologies if I wasn't... :-)

For 17 years this project has maintained a "users first, committers second” 
spirit.  Committers are one part of and servants to the community.  So the 
short answer is, absolutely, *everyone* who has their heart in the project is 
welcome and *encouraged* to chime in.

You don’t grow a project by treating people who are not committers like they 
are not committers :)  Treat people like they are committers and they soon will 
be.

So a direct Thank You for having the bravery to speak up and I hope others 
follow your example :)

Great to hear your support, Elder.


-David

Re: [DISCUSS] Code donations: Sheldon and Chatterbox

[Elder Moraes]

You guys really rock!!

Elder

Twitter: @elderjava 
Blog: http://eldermoraes.com




2017-08-09 23:42 GMT-03:00 David Blevins :

> > On Aug 9, 2017, at 7:18 PM, Elder Moraes  wrote:
> >
> > Don't know if I'm allowed to answer... and my apologies if I wasn't...
> :-)
>
> For 17 years this project has maintained a "users first, committers
> second” spirit.  Committers are one part of and servants to the community.
> So the short answer is, absolutely, *everyone* who has their heart in the
> project is welcome and *encouraged* to chime in.
>
> You don’t grow a project by treating people who are not committers like
> they are not committers :)  Treat people like they are committers and they
> soon will be.
>
> So a direct Thank You for having the bravery to speak up and I hope others
> follow your example :)
>
> Great to hear your support, Elder.
>
>
> -David
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Code donations: Sheldon and Chatterbox

[David Blevins]

> On Aug 9, 2017, at 7:27 PM, John D. Ament  wrote:
> 
> 
> Don't forget to do IP clearance
> 

Salute and Ack.  Went through that process with a half-dozen code bases in the 
2003-2009 range.  I was a pro then, not sure if my knowledge is dated.

> I personally think these are awesome projects.  David's been passionate
> about this stuff for a long time, and I was really hopefully to get these
> MDB enhancements working on the JMS spec, never happened :-(

I pushed hard to have them not axe JMS from Java 8.  Of course I’m stubborn, so 
perhaps there is still another way.

> It would be great to see these at Apache, and hopefully with a pretty
> robust test suite showing them working in multiple EE containers.

Robust test suite would be awesome.  I know Sheldon currently supports Wildfly 
and TomEE.  Jonathan Gallimore put quite a lot of work into it.  Testing wise, 
I think it was mostly manual.  So some increased tests would be good.

Feature wise, there are a handful of things I’d love to see added to Sheldon:

 - ability to use ssh keys instead of passwords
 - ability to execute ‘ssh localhost -p  ’ style commands 
that ssh allows
 - ability to use @RolesAllowed on commands

With those in there, you could do some extremely cool things.  Not that Sheldon 
isn’t darn cool already :)


-David

Dep updates on 1.7.x

[Jonathan Gallimore]

Hi folks

I've pushed some updates on 1.7.x for Taglibs, Wss4j, Jansi and OpenSAML.
I'll be watching the build and tests for any breakages. Any issues, please
shout.

Thanks

Jon