Re: Jami (formerly Ring) P2P softphone packaging?

[Jared K. Smith]

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 1:58 PM Daniel Pocock  wrote:

> Has anybody tested the Jami softphone from Savoir-Faire Linux?  It was
> formerly known as Ring.
>

 I haven't looked at it in a couple of years, but last I looked at it, the
packaging was awful, and the interdependencies between sub-packages made me
walk away in disgust.  As somebody who spends the majority of my waking
hours these days dealing with SIP and telecommunications systems, I'd be
happy to donate an hour or two to see if we can improve things with regards
to SIP clients in Fedora.

-Jared
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Re: Review swap

[Jared K. Smith]

On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 11:13 AM Jerry James  wrote:

> MuseScore 3.6 is out, and adds a dependency on another font.  Who
> would like to swap reviews?  I need this one:
>

I'll review it.  I don't need any reviews done in return at this moment.

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Re: End of CentOS Linux: What about Fedora?

[Jared K. Smith]

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 8:57 AM Damian Ivanov 
wrote:

> Maybe provide a rolling release fedora as well (which is
> suitable for non-debug systems).
>

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RawhideKernelNodebug

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Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

[Jared K. Smith]

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 2:00 PM Kevin Fenzi  wrote:

> IMHO editing is fine, as long as it notes it was edited and provides you
> a way to see what was changed. I have no idea how the matrix editing
> works however.
>

As I recall, it puts a small "(edited)" notice at the end of the line to
let you know that it was edited.

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Re: Unresponsive packagers: wolnei and dturecek

[Jared K. Smith]

On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 3:44 AM Pierre-Yves Chibon 
wrote:

> Does anyone know how to contact wolnei?
>

I reached out to him via LinkedIn, as he had sent me a message there
recently.

-Jared
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Re: Donate 1 minute of your time to test upgrades from F32 to F33

[Jared K. Smith]

On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 3:59 AM Miroslav Suchý  wrote:

> Do you want to make Fedora 33 better? Please spend 1 minute of your time
> and try to run:
>

Error:
 Problem: problem with installed package mosquitto-1.6.10-1.fc32.x86_64
  - mosquitto-1.6.10-1.fc32.x86_64 does not belong to a distupgrade
repository
  - nothing provides libwebsockets.so.16()(64bit) needed by
mosquitto-1.6.12-1.fc33.x86_64
(try to add '--skip-broken' to skip uninstallable packages)

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Re: Easy Review Swaps For New Packages That Block Rust Stack Updates

[Jared K. Smith]

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 5:59 AM Fabio Valentini 
wrote:

> I've been working through open bugs in the Rust stack for the past
> week, trying to contribute a few package updates. Some are, however,
> blocked by new dependencies that aren't packaged yet.
>
> These new packages are *very simple* and 99% automatically generated,
> so the reviews should be easy. Below is a numbered list of packages
> that are for review, which package updates they block, and how they
> depend on each other.
>

I've reviewed the bottom three or four, and will continue to work my way up
from the bottom as time permits today.


> I'll gladly review *simple* packages in return :)
>

I don't have any to exchange right now, but thanks for offering.

-Jared
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Re: Review swaps

[Jared K. Smith]

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:23 AM Jerry James  wrote:

> Many thanks to Jared Smith, Fabio Valentini, and Ankur Sinha for doing
> the first 10 reviews on this list.  I appreciate the time all of you

put into those reviews.  I've still got two to go.  Who would like to
> swap?
>
> 11. ocaml-ppx-base, depends on 2, 6, 7, 9, and 10
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1862627
> 12. ocaml-time-now, depends on 1, 5, and 11
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1862628
>

I went ahead and grabbed the two remaining ones.

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Re: Orphaned 215 packages

[Jared K. Smith]

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 8:34 PM Sérgio Basto  wrote:

> I'd like be joined to NodeJS group to be able to fix some nodejs FTBFS
> packages.
>

I have added you to the NodeJS SIG group in FAS.  Welcome to the SIG!

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Re: SELinux question

[Jared K. Smith]

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 4:55 AM Iñaki Ucar  wrote:

> I need some help from a SELinux guru. TL;DR, I've developed a small
> service. An app talks to this service, the service does some stuff
> and, in the meanwhile, it reports the progress to the app user by
> writing some messages into the stderr (/proc//fd/2) of that app.
>

Search on YouTube for one of Thomas Cameron's presentations entitled
"SELinux for Mere Mortals" -- I've found his presentations to be very
informative and approachable.

-Jared
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Re: Orphaned 215 packages

[Jared K. Smith]

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 11:29 AM Ben Rosser  wrote:

> However... what should we do in the meantime to stop further nodejs
> software from being orphaned and retired?
>

>From my standpoint, the answer to this is around tooling to
built/test/audit NodeJS applications with bundled dependencies.  Easier
said than done, unfortunately :-/

I've gone ahead and taken mocha (running tests will be useful
> regardless of whether or not we start bundling NPM modules). I haven't
> yet figured out what I need to take to keep it + my other node
> packages alive for now, but I'll work through that this evening if no
> one suggests doing anything else.
>

Thank you!  I'm happy to help where I can, but can't quite guarantee right
now that I have the time to be the primary maintainer of the mocha
package.  That being said, if you get stuck, feel free to ping me on IRC or
drop me an email, and I'll try to help.

-Jared
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Re: Orphaned 215 packages

[Jared K. Smith]

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 3:41 PM Ben Rosser  wrote:

> So... this is a lot of node.js packages, and I haven't really seen any
> discussion of this on the lists. And at least some of these are possibly
> important for other nodejs packages-- notably "mocha", which I suspect is
> used in at least some packages to run unit tests (at the very least,
> several of my nodejs packages use it to run unit tests...).
>

Indeed... I'd hate to see mocha disappear.  That being said, there's a
bunch of these other packages that can probably safely be retired -- I
pulled in a couple hundred NodeJS packages in my hard-headed attempt to get
NodeRED into Fedora for the IoT team a couple of years ago, but got bogged
down in dependency nightmares and ultimately gave up.  Since then, I've
been busy with my job and grad school to really spend a lot of time
worrying about NodeJS packages in Fedora, since I'm not a NodeJS
developer.  That being said, if there are packages like mocha that really
need to be maintained to keep the NodeJS ecosystem working in Fedora, I
could probably be persuaded to pick up a few more packages.

-Jared
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Retiring nodejs-marked

[Jared K. Smith]

I retired nodejs-marked yesterday, as it was a duplicate of the "marked"
package, which wasn't caught at the time I packaged it.

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Re: Proposal: Revise FESCo voting policy

[Jared K. Smith]

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 10:57 AM Kevin Kofler 
wrote:

> Abstaining means "I don't care", not "I feel uncomfortable with this
> change".
>

I'm going to disagree with you here, specifically with regards to the "I
don't care" piece.  From my time in FESCo, and as the FPL before that -- I
can never remember a time when someone abstained because they didn't care.
I remember people abstaining because they didn't feel it was appropriate
for them to vote on their own ticket, or they felt uncomfortable for
whatever reason, but never simply because they didn't care.

Please remember that FESCo members can vote either "+1" or "0" or "-1" for
a particular change.  I would think voting "0" would be more appropriate
for a "I don't care" vote.  But I still don't see an "I don't care" vote as
a reason to abstain.

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Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2020-04-13)

[Jared K. Smith]

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 11:58 AM Kevin Kofler 
wrote:

> So Fedora is now officially an alpha version of RHEL. :-(
>

Kevin, your comments like this are not helpful, and not in keeping with our
mantra of being excellent to each other.

As you're well aware, there's a cooperative relationship between Fedora and
RHEL.  Fedora serves as the upstream for RHEL, but that doesn't translate
into it being the alpha version of RHEL.  This ELN effort, from what I've
read about it (I haven't been a Red Hat insider for a long time, so I don't
have any non-public details about it) is aimed at making it easier for RHEL
to take advantage of the work done in Fedora, and even be more open about
the development.  I don't see how either of those are bad things, as long
as they don't pose a burden on Fedora developers.  From the discussions on
this mailing list, it looks like the team running the initiative has taken
great pains to clarify that they don't want to put any undue burden on
Fedora developers.

So, whether your agree with the decision that FESCo made or not, please
don't leave sniping comments like this -- they're not constructive.

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Re: Unannounced SONAME bump in rawhide: libwebsockets.so.15 → libwebsockets.so.16

[Jared K. Smith]

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 5:50 PM Michael Cronenworth  wrote:

> Two ways of fixing us:
> 1. Add a BR for 'uthash-devel' to properly de-bundle mosquitto (it has
> never been
> unbundled).
> 2. Add a Provides: bundled(uthash) and remove WITH_BUNDLED_DEPS=no.
>

Just for kicks and giggles, I tried the first -- it still failed with an
undefined reference to `DL_INSERT_INORDER'.

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Re: Non-responsive maintainer: pocock

[Jared K. Smith]

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 8:10 PM Daniel Pocock  wrote:

> As mentioned in the RTC thread, here is the review request:
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1815936
>

I've started the review, but I'm running into some issues in compiling the
software, as shown in the bug referenced above.

-Jared
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Re: Change proposal discussion - Optimize SquashFS Size

[Jared K. Smith]

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 3:30 AM John M. Harris Jr 
wrote:

> As for the software available, that's called choice. I know
> it's a relative unknown in the GNOME world, as one option is shoved down
> everyones' throat, but it's a key part of the KDE ideology, as well as GNU/
> Linux itself.
>

John, it's obvious from your posts in this list that you're not a fan of
GNOME.  I'd kindly ask you to please refrain from attacking GNOME,
especially when the discussion at hand isn't about GNOME itself.  It's not
in keeping with the "be excellent to each other" spirit that Fedora likes
to keep in its mailing lists.

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Re: Review swaps

[Jared K. Smith]

On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 3:47 PM Robert-André Mauchin 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
>
>
> Can somebody help me with some reviews, the first two
>
> being more urgent than others. I can swap with anything
>
> in exchange.
>

I've reviewed the first two.  I'll try to get to the others over the next
day or two.  No need to review anything in exchange at the moment.

-Jared
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Re: js-jquery - Re: List of long term FTBFS packages to be retired in February (beta)

[Jared K. Smith]

I have taken nodejs-raw-body and am pushing an updated version to rawhide
now.

-Jared

On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 2:53 AM Vít Ondruch  wrote:

> According to [1], these are the packages which need to be preserved to
> keep js-jquery around:
>
>
> nodejs-grunt-legacy-util
>
> nodejs-load-grunt-tasks
>
> nodejs-raw-body
>
>
> Vít
>
>
> [1] https://churchyard.fedorapeople.org/orphans-2019-12-02.txt
>
>
> Dne 03. 12. 19 v 2:24 Sérgio Basto napsal(a):
> > I will take nodejs-dateformat .
> > Do you have a list of what more packages we have to keep?
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 2019-12-02 at 15:52 +0100, Raphael Groner wrote:
> >> Thanks a lot.
> >>
> >> Am 02.12.19 um 15:20 schrieb Tom Hughes:
> >> …
> >>> As I explained the other day js-jquery was dependent on a
> >>> nodejs module (a normal one, not modularised) which was
> >>> failing to build and which I have now fixed.
> >> …
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Re: Review request: selenium-geckodriver

[Jared K. Smith]

On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 7:18 AM Kevin Kofler  wrote:

> Unfortunately, I doubt that Thomas has sufficient packaging experience to
> do
> a review swap.
>

One of the things we should always strive for in Fedora is to assume
positive intent.  In this situation, that would mean assuming it was an
accident, rather than ascribing it to anything else. We want Fedora to be a
welcoming place, and comments like this don't help.

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Re: Python 2 exodus is happening now

[Jared K. Smith]

On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 7:53 AM Miro Hrončok  wrote:

> No, it is not too late. Drop the dependency. I will delay the retirement
> until
> you do so (or until you stop responding).
>

Dropping the dependency was much easier than I had anticipated... I have
dropped the Python2 dependency in Rawhide, and an updated asterisk package
is building in Koji right now.

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Re: Python 2 exodus is happening now

[Jared K. Smith]

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 8:03 PM Miro Hrončok  wrote:

> If you talked to us (on e-mail or Bugzilla) and think your package is fine
> as it
> is, but you don't have a FESCo exception (or a request for one), then
> there was
> a misunderstanding. We're sorry for our side of it. Please request a FESCo
> exception for your package now.
>

I had previously asked for an exception on the thread in the email list --
I didn't realize I needed a FESCo exception.  Assuming I remove the PY2
dependency in Rawhide, is it too late to keep the asterisk package in
Rawhide?



> jsmith
>asterisk
>  (→ PY2)
>  asterisk-* (→ asterisk → PY2)
>asterisk-sounds-core
>  asterisk-sounds-core-* (→ asterisk → PY2)
>

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Re: List of Python 2 packages to be removed mid-November (= in a week)

[Jared K. Smith]

On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 7:02 AM Petr Viktorin  wrote:

> jsmith
>asterisk
>  (→ PY2)
>  asterisk-* (→ asterisk → PY2)
>

Asterisk has very few dependencies on Python (just some contributed scripts
for use in debugging reference counters in the code, if I recall
correctly).  That being said, I'd love an extension to work with the
Asterisk developers to get their scripts moved over to Python 3.

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Re: Intent to unretire libresample package, needs re-review

[Jared K. Smith]

On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 8:46 AM Jared K. Smith 
wrote:

> I will open a Rel-Eng ticket for unretirement once the package has been
> re-reviewed.
>
>
The package has been re-reviewed and re-approved, and I have opened the
rel-eng ticket at https://pagure.io/releng/issue/8891.

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Re: Intent to unretire libresample package, needs re-review

[Jared K. Smith]

On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 8:57 AM Richard Shaw  wrote:

> I can take it unless someone gets to it first. I'm in training today and
> then have to catch up everything else once I'm done so it may be a few days
> :)
>

Thanks... let me know if you'd like me to review one of your packages in
return.

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Intent to unretire libresample package, needs re-review

[Jared K. Smith]

I intend to unretire the "libresample" package in Fedora, now that I have
it building properly from source again.  It needs a re-review, which I've
asked for at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1759928.

I will open a Rel-Eng ticket for unretirement once the package has been
re-reviewed.

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Re: Modularity and the system-upgrade path

[Jared K. Smith]

On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 3:42 PM John M. Harris, Jr. 
wrote:

> We could simply stop doing projects that throw wildly different versions
> of software into a single installation, which causes this issue.
>

What you don't seem to appreciate, based on your comments in this thread
and others over the past couple of months, is that Fedora is a fast-moving
distribution by default.  That's (the distribution) Fedora's niche.  Fedora
(the community) is also largely driven by volunteers, who each have their
own reasons for contributing to the project.

Finding the right balance of forward-leaning and features first, which
still focusing on usability is a hard problem to solve. The proverbial
pendulum does swing back and forth between "things are moving too quickly,
and things are broken because of it" and "things aren't moving quickly
enough" quite a bit.  But to "stop doing projects", to use your words, is
not what Fedora is known for.

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Re: Fedora 32 Self-Contained Change proposal: Better Thermal Management for the Workstation

[Jared K. Smith]

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 5:51 AM Kevin Kofler  wrote:

> How about we just reverse-engineer what those blobs do and reimplement
> them
> as Free Software?
>

If I'm reading the comments right in the bugzilla report linked above, it
sounds like Lenovo is going to do the right thing and put out an update
BIOS for doing thermal management in the BIOS itself, rather than having
the OS control it.  I realize that probably doesn't cover everyone's use
cases (or maybe not even older-model Lenovo laptops), but at least for me,
this sounds like a more sane approach than trying to guess/reverse engineer
what the OS is supposed to tell the hardware.

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Re: Unretire nodejs-gaze

[Jared K. Smith]

On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 9:32 AM Jared K. Smith 
wrote:

> I blindly assumed it had been eight weeks already, so I requested a
> re-review at RHBZ#1755147.  Obviously I'll just close that review request
> if we can get this unretired before the deadline.
>

It looks like this has been un-retired, so I'll go ahead and try to push an
updated build to rawhide just as soon as the Koji outage is over.

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Re: Unretire nodejs-gaze

[Jared K. Smith]

On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 10:46 AM Ben Rosser  wrote:

> About a month ago I requested to unretire some nodejs packages in
> order to get the "grunt" stack working again. At least one more
> package still needs to be unretired to fix the
> nodejs-grunt-contrib-watch package, nodejs-gaze:
>
> https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/nodejs-gaze
>
> This was retired just under eight weeks ago for being FTBFS-- on
> 2019-08-08. Hopefully it still is within the deadline for not
> requiring rereview (that's eight weeks on Thursday)!
>
> I'll submit a releng ticket, and am notifying devel as requested by the
> policy.
>

I blindly assumed it had been eight weeks already, so I requested a
re-review at RHBZ#1755147.  Obviously I'll just close that review request
if we can get this unretired before the deadline.

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Re: Donate 1 minute of your time to test upgrades from F30 to F31

[Jared K. Smith]

On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 9:01 AM Miroslav Suchý  wrote:

> Do you want to make Fedora 31 better? Please spend 1 minute of your time
> and try to run [*]:
>
>   sudo dnf --releasever=31 --setopt=module_platform_id=platform:f31
> --enablerepo=updates-testing distro-sync
>

Error:
 Problem 1: package gegl03-0.3.30-5.fc30.x86_64 requires
libIlmImf-2_2.so.22()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
  - OpenEXR-libs-2.2.0-16.fc30.x86_64 does not belong to a distupgrade
repository
  - problem with installed package gegl03-0.3.30-5.fc30.x86_64
 Problem 2: package python2-pkgwat-0.11-12.fc29.noarch requires
python2-cliff, but none of the providers can be installed
  - python2-cliff-2.13.0-2.fc29.noarch does not belong to a distupgrade
repository
  - problem with installed package python2-pkgwat-0.11-12.fc29.noarch
 Problem 3: problem with installed package
exa-0.8.0-13.module_f30+4041+ebfd9240.x86_64
  - package exa-0.9.0-2.module_f31+5365+04413d87.x86_64 requires
libgit2.so.28()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
  - exa-0.8.0-13.module_f30+4041+ebfd9240.x86_64 does not belong to a
distupgrade repository
  - package libgit2-0.28.2-2.module_f31+5411+fa1856a4.x86_64 is excluded
  - package libgit2-0.28.2-3.fc31.x86_64 is excluded
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Re: translucent gnome top bar gone in F31?

[Jared K. Smith]

On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 12:41 AM John M. Harris Jr. 
wrote:

> Further, nothing in that email is what I
> would describe as "uncivilized". I'm not asking people to necessarily
> agree
> with me, everyone is welcome to their own opinions, I simply provided mine
> and
> that of the users I work with.
>

I think your comments went from just being an opinion to being over the
line when they assumed that everyone (except for maybe Gnome developers?)
agreed with your opinion.  When you use phrases like "it just works for
everyone" or "Things everyone hates" (to use your exact words), it
marginalizes those who share a difference of opinion.  While my own
opinions on many topics don't necessarily match up with those of others in
the Fedora community, I would hope that my comments and opinions would
never make anyone else feel uncomfortable or unwelcome.  There is plenty of
room in Fedora for differences of opinion, as long as we try to keep a high
level of respect and dignity for those with different views.

Please be a bit more thoughtful in the words you use to express your
opinions.

-Jared
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Re: Review swaps

[Jared K. Smith]

On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 2:26 PM Robert-André Mauchin 
wrote:

> Review Request: wgctrl - Control of WireGuard interfaces on multiple
> platforms
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1730911
>

Done.


> Review Request: golang-github-mattn-ieproxy - Detect the proxy settings on
> Windows platform
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1733160


Done.

I'll try to review more on the list on Monday.  I don't have any
outstanding packages that need review at the moment, so no need to swap
reviews.

-Jared
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Re: Wiki page correction: GRUB2

[Jared K. Smith]

On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 8:01 AM Michal Schorm  wrote:

> However I'm not confident enought to edit it prior to any discussions,
> so that's why I'm writing here.
>

Be bold and just update the page... it's a wiki, so it keeps a change
history, and if someone else has a problem with what you wrote, they can
either update it or roll back the changes.  You shouldn't ever feel like
you have to ask permission or have the details 100% correct before updating
something on the wiki.

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Re: Un-orphaned NodeJS packages upgrades in rawhide

[Jared K. Smith]

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 7:49 AM Jan Staněk  wrote:

> Hello,
> I have recently (last week) taken on maintenance of several to-be
> orphaned nodejs packages. Since the packages were not upgraded for a
> while, they are usually a major version behind the upstream release.
> I have started to remedy this, but given the relatively large jump in
> version numbers, there might be issues.
>

One of the frustrating things with NodeJS packaging in Fedora is that
because of the crazy number of dependencies between NodeJS packages, a
simple version bump in one package could cause a whole cascade of other
packages that need to be updated to newer versions to support that
dependency here.

The right thing to do in this case is to look at each of those packages,
find anything that's dependent upon those packages, and make sure each one
will still work with the newer version of the package.  It's tiresome,
thankless work -- and you often end up getting three or four levels down
the dependency tree before realizing things aren't going to work -- which
is why I've stepped away from packaging up new NodeJS packages for a
while...

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Re: Review swaps

[Jared K. Smith]

OK, I think your packages all have reviews now.  Would you be willing to do
these two in return?  They're both re-reviews of previously approved but
then retired NodeJS packages.

nodejs-is-plain-obj: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1676540
nodejs-event-stream: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1676544

-Jared

On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 6:06 PM Jerry James  wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 8:09 AM Jared K. Smith 
> wrote:
> > I'm reviewing them now, and will respond with two that I'd like you to
> review after I'm done.
>
> Thank you, Jared!  Much appreciated.
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Re: Review swaps

[Jared K. Smith]

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 11:01 PM Jerry James  wrote:

>
> I still need one or more reviewers for these packages.
>

I'm reviewing them now, and will respond with two that I'd like you to
review after I'm done.

-Jared
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Plan to un-retire some NodeJS packages

[Jared K. Smith]

I plan to un-retire some NodeJS packages that were retired late last year.
I've linked to the relevant package review requests.

nodejs-is-plain-obj: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1676540
nodejs-event-stream: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1676544

There will likely be several more over the next few weeks.

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Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2018-11-26)

[Jared K. Smith]

(Apologies for the late notice -- I forgot to do this before the long
holiday weekend.)


Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
FESCo meeting Monday at 15:00UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 onirc.freenode.net.

To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto

or run:
  date -d '2018-11-26 15:00 UTC'


Links to all issues to be discussed can be found at:
https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

= Discussed and Voted in the Ticket =
#topic 2014 F30 System-Wide Change: The GNU C Library version 2.29
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2014
DECISION (+6, 0, -0)

= Followups =

#topic #2013 too strict rules for branches deletion alongside with
norules for theirs creations
.fesco 2013
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2013

= New business =

#topic #2015 Preclusion of Firefox automatic download of OpenH264
(#1359) may have been violated at some point
.fesco 2015
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2015

#topic  #2016 F29 – rebase of dnf, libdnf, dnf-plugins-core, dnf-plugins-extras
.fesco 2016
https://pagure.io/fesco/2016


= Open Floor =

For more complete details, please visit each individual
issue.  The report of the agenda items can be found at
https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

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reply to this e-mail, file a new issue at
https://pagure.io/fesco, e-mail me directly, or bring it
up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic. Note
that added topics may be deferred until the following meeting.
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Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2018-10-01)

[Jared K. Smith]

I'm in meetings all day today and will be unable to attend the FESCo
meeting.  I'll attempt to vote in all the tickets in today's agenda.

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On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 10:09 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek <
zbys...@in.waw.pl> wrote:

> Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
> FESCo meeting Monday at 15:00UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on
> irc.freenode.net.
>
> To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
>   http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto
>
> or run:
>   date -d '2018-10-01 15:00 UTC'
>
>
> Links to all issues to be discussed can be found at:
> https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda
>
> = Followups =
>
> #topic #1974 Problematic blocker for F29: dnf 'offline' module tracking
> .fesco 1974
> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1974
>
> #topic #1927 F29 Self Contained Change: Origin 3.10
> .fesco 1927
> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1927
>
> = Open Floor =
>
> For more complete details, please visit each individual issue. The
> report of the agenda items can be found at
> https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda
>
> If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to
> this e-mail, file a new issue at https://pagure.io/fesco, e-mail me
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> floor topic. Note that added topics may be deferred until the
> following meeting.
>
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Re: Proposal: Add release announcement post to Go/No-Go criteria

[Jared K. Smith]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 4:44 PM Ben Cotton  wrote:

> We have a proposal to add a fourth criterion for the
> Go/No-Go decision, beginning with F29 Final:
>
> 4. The release announcement post for Fedora Magazine is substantially
> complete
>

I'm torn on this one... I think the release announcement should be done
before the release (with time to properly review it, etc.).  That being
said, I'm afraid that all this proposal will do is shift the last-minute
scramble to the Go/No-Go meeting itself.  I'd rather look for a solution
that fundamentally makes the situation better, rather than just shifting
the timing.  Unfortunately, I haven't been able to come up with a better
proposal :-(

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Re: Blocking criteria proposal for F30+: Printing

[Jared K. Smith]

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 8:40 AM Stephen Gallagher 
wrote:

> I'd like to propose that we add the following criteria to Beta for Fedora
> 30+:
> * Printing must work on at least one printer available to Fedora QA.
>


> and this to Final for Fedora 30+:
> * Printing must work on at least one printer using each of the
> following drivers:
>

I'm in agreement here -- they seem like very reasonable criteria.  As for
the printer drivers, I think that the Postscript ought to be in the list,
and perhaps something along the lines of HP LaserJet 4, as there are lots
and lots and lots of printers that try to stay compatible with that.  I'd
also love to see "Print to PDF" added to that list, as I find myself using
that more and more as time goes on.

-Jared
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Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2018-08-06)

[Jared K. Smith]

Minutes:
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2018-08-06/fesco.2018-08-06-15.04.html
Minutes (text):
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2018-08-06/fesco.2018-08-06-15.04.txt
Log:
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2018-08-06/fesco.2018-08-06-15.04.log.html

Meeting started by jsmith at 15:04:11 UTC. The full logs are available
athttps://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2018-08-06/fesco.2018-08-06-15.04.log.html
.



Meeting summary
---
* init process  (jsmith, 15:04:17)

* Discussed and voted in tickets  (jsmith, 15:05:46)
  * Tickets 1953 and 1954 were discussed and voted on in tickets, and
were both approved.  (jsmith, 15:06:09)

* Follow-ups  (jsmith, 15:06:36)

* #1935 [Security] Remove packages which has a consistent bad security
  record from the distribution  (jsmith, 15:06:50)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1935   (jsmith, 15:07:06)
  * LINK:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW_status=ASSIGNED=Fedora=SecurityTracking%2C%20_type=allwords_id=9223947=component%2Cchangeddate%2Cpriority%2Cbug_id=Fedora_based_on=_format=advanced
(zbyszek, 15:13:09)
  * AGREED: #1935 Defer the discussion to Flock, and encourage FESCo
members to attend the Security Team talk. (+1:5,+0:0,-1:0)  (jsmith,
15:16:04)

* New Business  (jsmith, 15:16:16)

* #1394 F29 Self Contained Change: Minishift Spin  (jsmith, 15:16:40)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1934   (jsmith, 15:17:47)
  * AGREED: Fesco #1934 Spin is approved (+1:5,+0:0,-1:0)  (jsmith,
15:20:38)

* #1955 Let's get rid of filedeps (FESCo edition)  (jsmith, 15:20:41)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1955   (jsmith, 15:20:41)
  * AGREED: Defer decision on #1955 until after Flock (and a chance to
talk with the DNF team) (+1:5,+0:0,-1:0)  (jsmith, 15:30:17)

* Next Week's Chair  (jsmith, 15:30:23)
  * AGREED: maxamillion to chair next meeting on Aug 20th  (jsmith,
15:32:54)

* Open Floor  (jsmith, 15:32:58)
  * AGREED: FESCo members to vote in ticket 1965 as quickly as possible.
(+1:5,+0:0,-1:0)  (jsmith, 15:48:04)
  * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1600386
(zbyszek, 15:48:35)
  * AGREED: Try talking with mnalband at Flock about RHBZ1600386, then
try a thread on the devel list next  (jsmith, 16:01:02)

Meeting ended at 16:03:22 UTC.




Action Items






Action Items, by person
---
* **UNASSIGNED**
  * (none)




People Present (lines said)
---
* jsmith (93)
* zbyszek (41)
* nirik (31)
* contyk (22)
* zodbot (16)
* maxamillion (16)
* mhroncok (13)
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* sgallagh (0)
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Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2018-08-06)

[Jared K. Smith]

(Apologies for the late announcement.)

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
FESCo meeting Monday at 15:00UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on
irc.freenode.net.

To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto

or run:
  date -d '2018-08-06 15:00 UTC'


Links to all issues to be discussed can be found at:
https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

= Discussed and Voted in the Ticket =
#1953 F29 Change: Basic FPGA support
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1953
DECISION (+6,0)

#1954 F29 Change: GnuTLS enables TLS 1.3 by default
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1954
DECISION (+6,0)

= Followups =

#topic #1935 [Security] Remove packages which has a consistent bad security
record from the distribution
.fesco 1935
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1935

= New business =

#topic #1394 F29 Self Contained Change: Minishift Spin
.fesco 1394
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1394

#topic #1955 Let's get rid of filedeps (FESCo edition)
.fesco 1955
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1955

= Open Floor =

For more complete details, please visit each individual
issue.  The report of the agenda items can be found at
https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can
reply to this e-mail, file a new issue at
https://pagure.io/fesco, e-mail me directly, or bring it
up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic. Note
that added topics may be deferred until the following meeting.
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License update for nodejs-qunitjs package

[Jared K. Smith]

I updated the version of nodejs-qunitjs in Rawhide today, and it's license
has changed from "MIT and ASL 2.0" to "MIT".  Previously, the entire
package was under the MIT license, with the exception of the src/diff.js
file, which was under the ASL 2.0 license.  That file has since been
removed, and the entire package is now under the MIT license.

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Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2018-04-27)

[Jared K. Smith]

Minutes: 
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2018-04-27/fesco.2018-04-27-15.02.html
Minutes (text):
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2018-04-27/fesco.2018-04-27-15.02.txt
Log: 
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2018-04-27/fesco.2018-04-27-15.02.log.html

===
#fedora-meeting: FESCO (2018-04-27)
===


Meeting started by jsmith at 15:02:08 UTC. The full logs are available
athttps://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2018-04-27/fesco.2018-04-27-15.02.log.html
.



Meeting summary
---
* init process  (jsmith, 15:02:09)

* #1883 Request for rebase of libdnf/dnf after Fedora 28 GA  (jsmith,
  15:03:12)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1883   (jsmith, 15:03:13)

* #1882 F28 Self Contained Change: java-openjdk 10 - rolling release for
  Short Term Support releases of OpenJDK  (jsmith, 15:04:20)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1882   (jsmith, 15:04:20)

* #1877 large number of packages FTBFS in F28  (jsmith, 15:05:17)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1877   (jsmith, 15:05:17)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/6859 is also
related.  (zbyszek, 15:10:17)
  * AGREED: #1877 Wait two weeks, as tyll (perhaps with help from
others) will follow up on this (+1:6,+0:0,-1:0)  (jsmith, 15:10:44)
  * Infra ticket 6859 is likely related  (zbyszek, 15:11:26)

* #1872 Disable Test Gating requirements until more UI is enabled
  (jsmith, 15:11:46)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1872   (jsmith, 15:11:46)
  * AGREED: #1872 Wait a week or two for Bodhi release 3.7.0 to get the
improvements outlined by bowlofeggs (+1:6,+0:0,-1:0)  (jsmith,
15:20:06)

* #1858 Proposed Fedora 29 schedule  (jsmith, 15:20:18)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1858   (jsmith, 15:20:18)
  * AGREED: #1858 Use sgallagh's proposal of having AppStream data
freeze one day after Final Freeze (+1:6, +0:0, -1:0)  (jsmith,
15:26:23)

* #1884 provenpackager request for itamarjp  (jsmith, 15:27:30)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1884   (jsmith, 15:27:30)
  * AGREED: itamarjp is approved as a Proven Packager  (jsmith,
15:30:54)

* Next week's chair  (jsmith, 15:31:00)
  * ACTION: bowlofeggs to chair the next meeting  (jsmith, 15:31:50)

* #1767 F28 Self Contained Changes  (jsmith, 15:32:17)

* Open Floor  (jsmith, 15:34:50)
  * Congratulations on shipping F28!  (sgallagh, 15:53:49)

Meeting ended at 15:58:29 UTC.




Action Items

* bowlofeggs to chair the next meeting




Action Items, by person
---
* bowlofeggs
  * bowlofeggs to chair the next meeting
* **UNASSIGNED**
  * (none)




People Present (lines said)
---
* jsmith (96)
* bowlofeggs (77)
* sgallagh (65)
* zbyszek (42)
* nirik (24)
* tyll (22)
* zodbot (20)
* maxamillion (12)
* dgilmore (9)
* tyll_ (1)
* jwb (1)
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Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2018-04-27)

[Jared K. Smith]

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
FESCo meeting Friday at 15:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on
irc.freenode.net.

To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto

or run:
  date -d '2018-04-27 15:00 UTC'


Links to all issues below can be found at:
https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

= Followups =

#topic #1883 Request for rebase of libdnf/dnf after Fedora 28 GA
.fesco 1883
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1883

#topic #1882 F28 Self Contained Change: java-openjdk 10 - rolling release
for Short Term Support releases of OpenJDK
.fesco 1882
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1882

#topic #1880 Request to take over a package - 3+ weeks have passed - all
reasonable efforts taken and failed
.fesco 1880
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1880

#topic #1877 large number of packages FTBFS in F28
.fesco 1877
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1877

#topic #1872 Disable Test Gating requirements until more UI is enabled
.fesco 1872
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1872

#topic #1858 Proposed Fedora 29 schedule
.fesco 1858
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1858

= New business =

#topic #1884 provenpackager request for itamarjp
.fesco 1884
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1884

= Open Floor =

For more complete details, please visit each individual
issue.  The report of the agenda items can be found at
https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can
reply to this e-mail, file a new issue at
https://pagure.io/fesco, e-mail me directly, or bring it
up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic. Note
that added topics may be deferred until the following meeting.
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Re: Looking for volunteers to review Golang packages

[Jared K. Smith]

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 2:17 PM, Robert-André Mauchin 
wrote:

> I'm looking for help to review a lot of Golang packages, 83 in total, that
> are
> the results of unbundling rclone. They are made with the new standardized
> Go
> packaging and should be fairly quick to review.
>

I have reviewed the first twenty or so -- everything down to (and
including) golang-github-shurcool-markdownfmt.  I probably won't have a
chance to work on these over the weekend, but I'll try to do more reviews
early next week.

-Jared
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Re: Review swaps

[Jared K. Smith]

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 5:02 PM, Jared K. Smith <jsm...@fedoraproject.org>
wrote:

> I have done all of them except for golang-github-ncw-dropbox-sdk-
> unofficial and golang-github-bitly-simplejson .
>

I've now finished golang-github-ncw-dropbox-sdk-unofficial as well.

-Jared
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Re: Review swaps

[Jared K. Smith]

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 4:38 PM, djb djb  wrote:

> Jared, which ones have you so far?
>

I have done all of them except for golang-github-ncw-dropbox-sdk-unofficial
and golang-github-bitly-simplejson .


> I would like to do:
>
> Review Request: golang-github-bitly-simplejson - Go package to interact
> with arbitrary JSON
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/s
> how_bug.cgi?id=1555345
>
> if you have not done that one so far.
>

Please go ahead!

-Jared
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Re: Review swaps

[Jared K. Smith]

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 12:53 PM, Robert-André Mauchin 
wrote:

> I'm looking for some help to review some Golang packages. These are all
> renamed packages to conform with the new Golang guidelines which
> standardizes package names. These are super simple devel only package and
> shouldn't pose any issue.
>

I've done about half of these, and will try to get to the rest of them by
early next week.

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Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2018-03-16)

[Jared K. Smith]

===
#fedora-meeting: FESCO (2018-03-16)
===


Meeting started by jsmith at 15:01:14 UTC. The full logs are available
athttps://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2018-03-16/fesco.2018-03-16-15.01.log.html
.



Meeting summary
---
* init process  (jsmith, 15:01:14)

* #1745 F28 System Wide Change: Switch OpenLDAP from NSS to OpenSSL
  (jsmith, 15:02:47)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1745   (jsmith, 15:02:47)
  * AGREED: move on  (jsmith, 15:03:35)

* #1820 Adjust/Drop/Document batched updates policy  (jsmith, 15:03:48)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1820   (jsmith, 15:03:48)
  * ACTION: bowlofeggs will talk to QA about batching  (bowlofeggs,
15:17:34)
  * ACTION: kalev to share his ideas on batching in the ticket  (jsmith,
15:18:44)
  * AGREED: Continue the discussion on the mailing list and ticket this
week.  Try to identify concrete goals and concrete plans to get us
there.  (jsmith, 15:21:15)

* #1853 F29 System Wide Change: Enable dbus-broker  (jsmith, 15:21:33)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1853   (jsmith, 15:21:33)
  * AGREED: (+1:7,+0:0,-1:0) Accept the dbus-broker change for F29, with
the caveat that the team should coordinate with FreeIP to ensure
they don't break custodia/oddjob/SSSD-info pipe stuff  (jsmith,
15:31:41)

* #1858 Proposed Fedora 29 schedule  (jsmith, 15:31:58)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1858   (jsmith, 15:31:58)
  * AGREED: (+1:5,+0:0,-1:1) FESCo accepts the F29 schedule.  (jsmith,
15:43:06)

* #1861 F28 Changes not in ON_QA status  (jsmith, 15:43:44)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1861   (jsmith, 15:43:44)
  * AGREED: (+1:6,+0:0,-1:0) Kerberos in Python modernization - ask
change owner to update change with what will be shipped in f28 and
file last changes in f29 change  (jsmith, 15:48:30)
  * critera are in
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1537253#c6  (zbyszek,
16:26:08)
  * AGREED: The critieria posted in comments 6 and 7 at
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1537253 are required for
modularity (+8, 0, -0)  (bowlofeggs, 16:30:55)
  * ACTION: sgallagh will inform QA (the proposals are in the BZ
already)  (bowlofeggs, 16:31:25)
  * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1537261#c5
(nirik, 16:32:37)
  * ACCEPTED: we let nirik work some koji magic to try get the cloud
imegas done, by next week we ask that ksinny has updated the change
to reflect reality and punt the rest to f29 (+8, 0, -0)
(bowlofeggs, 16:41:53)
  * ACTION: nirik will perform wonders with koji to attempt to get cloud
images done  (bowlofeggs, 16:42:18)

* #1862 Fedora 28 Beta status, schedule risk  (bowlofeggs, 16:42:46)
  * AGREED: FESCo acknowledges the risk and closes the ticket (+8, 0,
-0)  (bowlofeggs, 16:48:12)

* #1863 F29 Self Contained Change: OpenLDAP: Drop MozNSS Compatibility
  Layer  (bowlofeggs, 16:48:26)
  * AGREED: #1863 is approved (+9, 0, -0)  (bowlofeggs, 16:51:19)

* Next week's chair  (jsmith, 16:51:59)
  * AGREED: tyll to chair next week's meeting  (jsmith, 16:53:48)

* Open Floor  (jsmith, 16:53:54)

* #1859  Review of release blocking deliverables for F28  (jsmith,
  16:54:35)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1859   (jsmith, 16:54:35)

* Open Floor  (jsmith, 16:56:04)

Meeting ended at 17:05:08 UTC.




Action Items

* bowlofeggs will talk to QA about batching
* kalev to share his ideas on batching in the ticket
* sgallagh will inform QA (the proposals are in the BZ already)
* nirik will perform wonders with koji to attempt to get cloud images
  done




Action Items, by person
---
* bowlofeggs
  * bowlofeggs will talk to QA about batching
* kalev
  * kalev to share his ideas on batching in the ticket
* nirik
  * nirik will perform wonders with koji to attempt to get cloud images
done
* sgallagh
  * sgallagh will inform QA (the proposals are in the BZ already)
* **UNASSIGNED**
  * (none)




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---
* bowlofeggs (162)
* jsmith (119)
* sgallagh (101)
* nirik (75)
* zbyszek (68)
* jwb (37)
* maxamillion (34)
* tyll (32)
* dgilmore (32)
* zodbot (22)
* kalev (13)
* pingou (3)
* pwhalen (2)
* orc_fedo (1)




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Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2018-03-16)

[Jared K. Smith]

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
FESCo meeting Friday at 15:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on
irc.freenode.net.

To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto

or run:
  date -d '2018-03-16 15:00 UTC'


Links to all issues below can be found at:
https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

= Followups =

#topic #1745 F28 System Wide Change: Switch OpenLDAP from NSS to OpenSSL
.fesco 1745
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1745

#topic #1820 Adjust/Drop/Document batched updates policy
.fesco 1820
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1820

#topic #1853 F29 System Wide Change: Enable dbus-broker
.fesco 1853
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1853

#topic  #1858 Proposed Fedora 29 schedule
.fesco 1858
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1858

#topic #1859  Review of release blocking deliverables for F28
.fesco 1859
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1859

#topic #1859  Review of release blocking deliverables for F28
.fesco 1859
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1859

#topic #1861 F28 Changes not in ON_QA status
.fesco 1861
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1861

= New business =

#topic #1862 Fedora 28 Beta status, schedule risk
.fesco 1862
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1862

#topic  #1863 F29 Self Contained Change: OpenLDAP: Drop MozNSS
Compatibility Layer
.fesco 1863
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1863


= Open Floor =

For more complete details, please visit each individual
issue.  The report of the agenda items can be found at
https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

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reply to this e-mail, file a new issue at
https://pagure.io/fesco, e-mail me directly, or bring it
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Re: Configuration file migration without scriptlets

[Jared K. Smith]

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 12:03 PM, Ondřej Lysoněk 
wrote:

> is there any mechanism in Fedora for config file migration? How would
> you make changes to a configuration file (maybe after some config option
> has been renamed), or move a config file to a new location, during
> upgrade? Is there a better way than running 'sed' and 'cp' in a scriptlet?
>
>
In the past, I've used the "augeus" tool to handle configuration file
manipulation.

-Jared
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Re: 389-ds-base and freeipa on 32 bit arches

[Jared K. Smith]

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 6:39 PM, Jared K. Smith <jsm...@fedoraproject.org>
wrote:

> Can you give any more details on 32-bit ARM in particular -- is it just
> i686 that is experiencing issues, or have you seen similar memory
> corruption issues on 32-bit ARM as well?
>

Just another gentle ping -- do we have any more information here that can
help FESCo as it makes a decision about this issue?

-Jared
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Re: Unannounced soname bump (Rawhide): qpdf (libqpdf.so.18 -> libqpdf.so.21)

[Jared K. Smith]

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 7:46 AM, Kevin Kofler 
wrote:

> The requirement to announce soname bumps to begin with is unreasonable
> bureaucracy in the first place. If your package shows up in the broken
> dependency report, you rebuild it and move on, where is the problem?
>

I'm going to respectfully disagree here.  Strong and resilient communities
learn to communicate well, and this communication helps to avoid problems,
conflicts, and resentment.  Even if we didn't have this rule, it would be
common courtesy to announce any change that causes others to have to do
work, even if it's only for a few users.

I'll paraphrase a mantra that I learned from Greg DeKoenigsberg, which says
that "In communities, it's okay to be disappointed, but it's not okay to be
surprised."  I personally feel that we'd be a stronger community if we all
focused a bit more on the principle of "least surprise".

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Re: fedora28 and strong crypto settings

[Jared K. Smith]

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 10:37 AM, Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos 
wrote:

> I believe however that we should gather as many data as we can related
> to this security update in Fedora28, and decide after F28 beta is
> released on whether to back this change off, or to ignore this
> breakage. Any data gathered is very useful in planning a future
> strengthening. Any objections?
>

No objections from me.  I wasn't able to get to one internal site, but it
helped encourage our NOC to update the SSL settings on that particular
internal site.  That being said, it might be helpful to document how to
upgrade a typical Apache configuration with SSL to support Diffie-Hellman
with 1024-bit parameters.

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Re: 389-ds-base and freeipa on 32 bit arches

[Jared K. Smith]

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:32 PM, Jeff Law  wrote:

> The fact that the 389-ds code works on other architectures does not
> allow us to draw any conclusions at this point.
>

Can you give any more details on 32-bit ARM in particular -- is it just
i686 that is experiencing issues, or have you seen similar memory
corruption issues on 32-bit ARM as well?

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Re: [ACTION NEEDED] Missing BuildRequires: gcc/gcc-c++

[Jared K. Smith]

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 12:09 PM, Igor Gnatenko <
ignatenkobr...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> Over this weekend I've performed scratch-mass-rebuild without having gcc
> and
> gcc-c++ in buildroot of all Fedora packages, many of which failed due to
> random
> reasons and I grepped all logs for some common errors found by analyzing
> hundreds of build logs.
>
>
I have added the missing BuildRequires to the following packages:

jsmith asterisk jansson libpri libresample pjproject


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Re: [HEADS UP] Removal of systemd-units

[Jared K. Smith]

2018-01-25 13:17 GMT-05:00 Jason L Tibbitts III :

> For your list of packages, this gives the following two lists, making it
> easy for maintainers to see if they have something to fix without
> looking for individual package names.  (Hence it's now trivial for me to
> see that I have a couple of things that need fixing.)
>

[snip]


> asterisk itamarjp jsmith russellb
>

This has been fixed in the master branch [1].

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[1]
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/asterisk/c/d6e4078c66238fd66ba93e27f155d4f41fd2fee4
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Re: Wyland is a disaster

[Jared K. Smith]

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 6:56 PM, Howard Howell  wrote:

> Due to that last line, issued su and password and ran it again:
> # lshw
> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
> #
>

Due to the fact that you're having segfaults in command-line programs as
well, I'm tempted to say you've got a bigger (hardware?) problem on your
hands, and that Wayland crashing is just a symptom of that larger issue.

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Re: EXTERNAL: Re: After suspension

[Jared K. Smith]

(Apologies for the top-posting -- I'm on a mobile device at the moment.)

Interesting... I noticed something similar today, but with a WebDAV
external filesystem mounted.  Turning off fprintd seemed to stop the delay,
however.  Does turning off fprintd solve the problem for you as well?

-Jared

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Wells, Roger K.  wrote:

> On 01/02/2018 01:18 PM, Al Stone wrote:
>
>> On 12/26/2017 12:23 PM, Wells, Roger K. wrote:
>>
>>> Small inconvenience but new and annoying:
>>> Machine is Thinkpad x260
>>> uname -a: Linux rwells-x260 4.14.7-300.fc27.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon Dec 18
>>> 16:06:12
>>> UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>>> Desktop: Gnome 3.26.4-1.fc27.x86_64
>>>
>>> When the lid is opened on the suspended machine the screen saver appears
>>> and the
>>> clock proceeds to update until
>>> the enter key is hit.  Then the clock stops updating for 27 seconds
>>> followed by
>>> the login entry dialog appearing.
>>> Then everything is back to normal.
>>> This began right after the upgrade from F26 to F27 and has persisted
>>> through one
>>> or two subsequent routine updates.
>>> There are inconsistencies, sometimes it only does it when there is only
>>> wireless
>>> connections and no wired options.
>>> Sometimes it doesn't do it at all, no pattern here.
>>> Sometimes the 27 second delay is much shorter but this is quite rare.
>>> I have been running Fedora/Gnome for years and have never seen this.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts or things to try to help pin it down will be appreciated.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>> There have been a lot of recent changes in ACPI code for suspend and
>> hibernate;
>> it's always possible that something got tweaked in a recent kernel that
>> could
>> affect this particular model of machine.
>>
>> That being said, the 27 second delay sounds like the laptop hibernated
>> (not
>> suspended); if you waited a variable length of time to open the lid
>> again, it
>> might explain some of the variation -- sometimes it suspended, sometimes
>> it was
>> caught before hibernation was complete, sometime it was caught after it
>> had
>> fully hibernated.  The other things that occur to me are that perhaps
>> hibernate
>> was not working before for this model of laptop and now it does; or, the
>> power
>> settings changed defaults, or did not retain settings when updating; or,
>> some
>> of the recent changes for lid notification aren't quite right for this
>> laptop
>> (there have been a few cases of that).  Those are some of the places
>> where I
>> would start looking, at least...
>>
>> It turns out that this delay only occurs when the suspend happened when
> an external filesystem is mounted.
> In this case a cifs mount, and IIRC there have been some issues related to
> version changes that necessitated specifying "vers=1.0" in the fstab file.
> I will do some experiments and report back if anything interesting
> develops.
>
> --
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Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2018-01-05)

[Jared K. Smith]

===
#fedora-meeting: FESCO (2018-01-05)
===


Meeting started by jsmith at 16:00:09 UTC. The full logs are available
athttps://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2018-01-05/fesco.2018-01-05-16.00.log.html
.



Meeting summary
---
* init process  (jsmith, 16:00:09)

* #1799 The ProvenPackager rubric needs more formality  (jsmith,
  16:10:59)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1799   (jsmith, 16:10:59)
  * LINK:

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/NDU33GE2DX52DMWRNNG6YFTAHHZ25ZJS/
states a problem with "random changes to random packages" which is
IMHO not specific enough  (tyll_, 16:21:58)
  * AGREED: FESCo makes no changes to the provenpackager process, but
reiterates that provenpackager should exercise judgment and
communication skills when making changes to packages, especially in
release branches. (+1:5, +0:0, -1:0)  (jsmith, 16:34:19)

* #1800 Election Planning discussion  (jsmith, 16:34:39)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1800   (jsmith, 16:34:40)
  * AGREED: :  FESCO agrees that best practices for elections might
include 1) not scheduling them during known infra changes 2)
reminding current members to add themselves to the nominee list if
they're interested, and 3) bringing back opt-in badges for people
who vote, and 4) have a known schedule page with at least one year
of upcoming elections (+1:5, +0:0, -1:0)  (jsmith, 17:04:31)

* Open Floor  (jsmith, 17:04:37)
  * AGREED: jforbes to chair next week.  (jsmith, 17:07:08)

Meeting ended at 17:10:48 UTC.




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---
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  * (none)




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---
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* nirik (26)
* dgilmore (26)
* tyll_ (23)
* orc_fedo (18)
* jforbes (14)
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Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2018-01-05)

[Jared K. Smith]

(Sorry for the short notice -- I forgot that I was running the meeting this
week.)

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
FESCo meeting Friday at 16:00UTC in #fedora-meeting onirc.freenode.net.

To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto

or run:
  date -d '2018-01-05 16:00 UTC'


Links to all issues below can be found at:
https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

= Followups =
#topic #1799 The ProvenPackager rubric needs more formality
.fesco 1799https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1799

= New business =
#topic #1800 Election Planning discussion
.fesco 1800https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1800

= Open Floor =

For more complete details, please visit each individual
issue.  The report of the agenda items can be found
athttps://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can
reply to this e-mail, file a new issue athttps://pagure.io/fesco,
e-mail me directly, or bring it
up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic. Note
that added topics may be deferred until the following meeting.
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Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2017-12-08)

[Jared K. Smith]

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
FESCo meeting Friday at 16:00UTC in #fedora-meeting onirc.freenode.net.

To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto

or run:
  date -d '2017-12-08 16:00 UTC'


Links to all issues below can be found at:
https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda


= New business =

#topic #1799 The ProvenPackager rubric needs more formality
.fesco 1799https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1799

= Open Floor =

For more complete details, please visit each individual
issue.  The report of the agenda items can be found
athttps://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can
reply to this e-mail, file a new issue athttps://pagure.io/fesco,
e-mail me directly, or bring it
up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic. Note
that added topics may be deferred until the following meeting.
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Re: Review swap

[Jared K. Smith]

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Robert-André Mauchin 
wrote:

> Is anyone interested by a review swap? I'd like my package rclone [1] to be
> reviewed (it's written in Golang). Except php and Java with which I'm not
> familiar, I think I can handle anything else.
>

You've done a lot of reviews for me lately, so I went ahead and took this
review earlier today.  Please let me know if you have others that you need
reviewed!

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Re: 15 seconds to unlock screen?

[Jared K. Smith]

On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Mads Villadsen 
wrote:

> Is anyone else seeing something similar?
>

I"m seeing the same thing on Rawhide.

-Jared
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Re: Schedule for Tomorrow's FESCo Meeting (2017-09-15)

[Jared K. Smith]

On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 12:37 PM, Adam Miller  wrote:

> Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
> FESCo meeting Friday at 16:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on
> irc.freenode.net.
>
>
My apologies for the late notice, but I"m likely going to be gone for most
of today's meeting.  I might be able to make the first few minutes.  That
being said, I've commented/voted on all of the tickets in the agenda, so
feel free to use my votes in the tickets.

-Jared
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Re: Main admin for nodejs packages

[Jared K. Smith]

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 6:52 AM, Pierre-Yves Chibon 
wrote:

> Good Morning Everyone,
>
> I recently found out that some packages were not correctly migrated from
> pkgdb
>
> Looking at a couple of ones in pkgdb, it seem the issue is basically that
> a group
> has commit access to the package but no-one has commit or approveacls so
> during
> the migration, the script was not able to find an user to set as main admin
> (pagure not supporting having groups as main admin).
>
> Is there anyone interested in becoming the main admin for these packages?
>

I'll probably regret it later, but I can take all of the nodejs-* packages
for now.

-Jared
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Summary/Minutes from last Friday's FESCo Meeting (2017-08-11)

[Jared K. Smith]

===
#fedora-meeting: FESCO (2017-08-04)
===


Meeting started by jsmith at 16:05:59 UTC. The full logs are available
athttps://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2017-08-04/fesco.2017-08-04-16.05.log.html
.



Meeting summary
---
* init process  (jsmith, 16:06:05)

* Follow-ups  (jsmith, 16:09:06)

* #1736 - Don't automatically close security bugs on Fedora EOL
  (jsmith, 16:09:16)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1736   (jsmith, 16:09:16)
  * AGREED: #1736 -  eol scripts will be adjusted to move keyword:
security bugs to the next release and add a note that this was a
security bug and should be checked to see if it's fixed in the next
release  (jsmith, 16:20:39)

* #1737 - Proposal: i686 SIG needs to be functional by F27 release date
  (jsmith, 16:21:17)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1737   (jsmith, 16:21:17)
  * AGREED: #1737 - Give the SIG two weeks to come up with their
criteria and come back to FESCo for approval, and if they don't,
drop i686 kernels for F28 (+1:8,+0:0,-1:0)  (jsmith, 16:30:51)

* #1744 - F27 System Wide Change: NSS signtool deprecation  (jsmith,
  16:31:14)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1744   (jsmith, 16:31:14)
  * AGREED: #1744 - Reject as an F27 system-wide change, and accept as
an F28 system-wide change (+1:8:+0:0,-1:0)  (jsmith, 16:43:15)

* #1745 - F27 System Wide Change: Switch OpenLDAP from NSS to OpenSSL
  (jsmith, 16:43:27)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1745   (jsmith, 16:43:27)
  * AGREED: #1745 -  Due to the short F27 cycle, we defer this until F28
and accept it  for that release. Please land it as soon after branch
as possible. (+1:8,+0:0,-1:0)  (jsmith, 16:48:43)

* #1747 - F27 System Wide Change: RPM 4.14  (jsmith, 16:48:57)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1747   (jsmith, 16:48:58)
  * AGREED: #1747 -- This was already approved on 2017-07-21  (jsmith,
16:50:39)

* #1749 - F27 Self Contained Change: VirtualBox Guest Integration
  (jsmith, 16:50:49)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1749   (jsmith, 16:50:49)
  * AGREED: #1749 - FESCo would prefer that Fedora doesn't carry these
patches for F27 release kernel, instead deferring until it is clear
that there is a clear path they will be accepted upstream.
(+1:8,+0:0,-1:0)  (jsmith, 17:13:53)

* #1750 - Decide if EOL is one month after release, four weeks, or
  something else  (jsmith, 17:14:06)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1750   (jsmith, 17:14:06)
  * LINK:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Release_Life_Cycle#Schedule_Methodology
(nirik, 17:17:55)
  * AGREED: $1750 -  The use of "month" for marketing purposes is
unnecessary. Let's say "four weeks" or "28 days" everywhere and have
it done (+1:8,+0:0,-1:0)  (jsmith, 17:24:01)

* New business  (jsmith, 17:24:10)

* #1751 - Request to accept a Self Contained Change after deadline
  (jsmith, 17:24:24)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1751   (jsmith, 17:24:24)
  * AGREED: #1751 Change is accepted (+1:8,+0:0,-1:0)  (jsmith,
17:26:11)

* #1690 - F27 Self Contained Changes  (jsmith, 17:26:22)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1690   (jsmith, 17:26:22)

* Unified database for DNF  (jsmith, 17:26:35)
  * LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Unified_database_for_DNF
(jsmith, 17:26:35)
  * AGREED: Defer "Unified database for DNF" to F28 (+1:6,+0:0,-1:0)
(jsmith, 17:43:50)

* Authselect: new toold to replace authconfig  (jsmith, 17:44:02)
  * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Authselect   (jsmith,
17:44:02)
  * AGREED: "New tool to replace Authconfig" is rejected, as it's
effectively just a new package.  Repropose as a Change when it's
time to replace authconfig (+1:7,+0:0,-1:0)  (jsmith, 17:55:37)

* New default cipher in OpenVPN  (jsmith, 17:55:54)
  * LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/New_default_cipher_in_OpenVPN
(jsmith, 17:55:54)
  * AGREED: "New default cipher in OpenVPN" is approved (+1:5,+0:0,-1:0)
(jsmith, 18:00:50)

* Chinese Serif Fonts  (jsmith, 18:01:04)
  * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ChineseSerifFonts
(jsmith, 18:01:04)
  * AGREED: "Chinese Serif Fonts" is approved (+1:6,+0:0,-1:0)  (jsmith,
18:04:51)

* libpinyin 2.1  (jsmith, 18:05:05)
  * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/libpinyin2.1   (jsmith,
18:05:05)
  * AGREED: "libpinyin 2.1" is approved (+1:5,+0:1,-1:0)  (jsmith,
18:11:09)

* Platform Python Stack  (jsmith, 18:11:22)
  * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Platform_Python_Stack
(jsmith, 18:11:22)
  * AGREED: "Platform Python Stack" is approved (+1:6,+0:0,-1:0)
(jsmith, 18:19:36)

* OpenSSH Server Crypto Policy  (jsmith, 18:20:01)
  * LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/OpenSSH_Server_Crypto_Policy
(jsmith, 18:20:01)
  * AGREED: "OpenSSH Server Crypto Policy" is approved (+1:6,+0:0,-1:0)

Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2017-08-04)

[Jared K. Smith]

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
FESCo meeting Friday at 16:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on
irc.freenode.net.

To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto

or run:
  date -d '2017-08-04 16:00 UTC'


Links to all issues below can be found at:
https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

= Followups =

#topic #1736 - Don't automatically close security bugs on Fedora EOL
.fesco 1736
#link https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1736

#topic #1737 - Proposal: i686 SIG needs to be functional by F27 release date
.fesco 1737
#link https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1737

#topic #1744 - F27 System Wide Change: NSS signtool deprecation
.fesco 1744
#link https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1744

#topic #1745 - F27 System Wide Change: Switch OpenLDAP from NSS to OpenSSL
.fesco 1745
#link https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1745

#topic #1747 - F27 System Wide Change: RPM 4.14
.fesco 1747
#link https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1747

#topic #1749 - F27 Self Contained Change: VirtualBox Guest Integration
.fesco 1749
#link https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1749

#topic #1750 - Decide if EOL is one month after release, four weeks, or
something else
.fesco 1750
#link https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1750

= New business =

#topic #1751 - Request to accept a Self Contained Change after deadline
.fesco 1751
#link https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1751

#topic #1690 - F27 Self Contained Changes
.fesco 1690
#link https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1690

#topic Unified database for DNF
#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Unified_database_for_DNF

#topic Authselect: new toold to replace authconfig
#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Authselect

#topic New default cipher in OpenVPN
#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/New_default_cipher_in_OpenVPN

#topic Chinese Serif Fonts
#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ChineseSerifFonts

#topic libpinyin 2.1
#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/libpinyin2.1

#topic Platform Python Stack
#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Platform_Python_Stack

#topic OpenSSH Server Crypto Policy
#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/OpenSSH_Server_Crypto_Policy

#topic #1752 Dealing with non reviewed Changes after "Completion deadline
(testable)" check point
.fesco 1752
#link https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1752

= Open Floor =

For more complete details, please visit each individual
issue.  The report of the agenda items can be found at
https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

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reply to this e-mail, file a new issue at
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Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2017-07-28)

[Jared K. Smith]

We had a short meeting today because we lost quorum part-way through
the meeting.


===
#fedora-meeting: FESCO (2017-07-28)
===


Meeting started by jsmith at 16:01:24 UTC. The full logs are available
athttps://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2017-07-28/fesco.2017-07-28-16.01.log.html
.



Meeting summary
---
* init process  (jsmith, 16:01:25)

* Follow-ups  (jsmith, 16:13:28)

* #1736 - Don't automatically close security bugs on Fedora EOL
  (jsmith, 16:13:28)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1736   (jsmith, 16:13:28)
  * AGREED: #1736 Enumerate various ideas i nthe ticket and on the list,
and revist next week (+1:5, +0:0, -1:0)  (jsmith, 16:23:25)

* #1737 - Proposal: i686 SIG needs to be functional by F27 release date
  (jsmith, 16:23:41)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1737   (jsmith, 16:23:41)
  * AGREED: #1737 Defer to next week due to lack of quorum.  (jsmith,
16:39:06)

* Next week's chair  (jsmith, 16:41:29)

* Election reminder  (jsmith, 16:43:04)
  * 16:43 < jsmith> Just a reminder of the upcoming elections -- do you
part -- nominate yourself or a friend, and participate in the
elections.  (dgilmore, 16:43:57)

* Open Floor  (jsmith, 16:44:15)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/releng/issue/6898#comment-450892
(dgilmore, 16:48:38)

Meeting ended at 16:58:20 UTC.




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Re: Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2017-07-28)

[Jared K. Smith]

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Jared K. Smith <jsm...@fedoraproject.org>
wrote:

> Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
> FESCo meeting Friday at 16:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on
> irc.freenode.net.
>
>
There was one additional late-breaking ticket that will also be discussed:

#topic #1751 - Request to accept a Self Contained Change after deadline
.fesco 1751
#link https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1751


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Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2017-07-28)

[Jared K. Smith]

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
FESCo meeting Friday at 16:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on
irc.freenode.net.

To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto

or run:
  date -d '2017-07-28 16:00 UTC'


Links to all issues below can be found at:
https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

= Followups =
#topic #1736 - Don't automatically close security bugs on Fedora EOL
.fesco 1736
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1736

#topic #1737 - Proposal: i686 SIG needs to be functional by F27 release date
.fesco 1737
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1737

#topic #1744 - F27 System Wide Change: NSS signtool deprecation
.fesco 1744
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1744

#topic #1745 - F27 System Wide Change: Switch OpenLDAP from NSS to OpenSSL
.fesco 1745
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1745

#topic #1747 - F27 System Wide Change: RPM 4.14
.fesco 1747
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1747

#topic #1749 - F27 Self Contained Change: VirtualBox Guest Integration
.fesco 1749
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1749

#topic #1750 - Decide if EOL is one month after release, four weeks,
or something else
.fesco 1750
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1750

= New business =

#topic #1690 - F27 Self Contained Changes
.fesco 1690
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1690

#topic Unified database for DNF
#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Unified_database_for_DNF

#topic Authselect: new toold to replace authconfig
#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Authselect

#topic New default cipher in OpenVPN
#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/New_default_cipher_in_OpenVPN

#topic Chinese Serif Fonts
#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ChineseSerifFonts

#topic libpinyin 2.1
#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/libpinyin2.1

#topic Next week's chair

= Open Floor =

For more complete details, please visit each individual
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https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

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Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2017-06-23)

[Jared K. Smith]

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
FESCo meeting Friday at 16:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on
irc.freenode.net.

To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto

or run:
  date -d '2017-06-23 16:00 UTC'

Links to all issues below can be found at:
https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

 = Followups =

#topic #1690 Self Contained Changes (Java system/command setting)
.fesco 1690
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1690

#topic #1715 F27 System Wide Change: Rsyslog log format change proposal
.fesco 1715
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1715

= New business =

#topic #1619 System Wide Change: perl Package to Install Core Modules
.fesco 1619
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1619

= Open Floor =

For more complete details, please visit each individual
issue.  The report of the agenda items can be found at
https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can
reply to this e-mail, file a new issue at
https://pagure.io/fesco, e-mail me directly, or bring it
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that added topics may be deferred until the following meeting. F27 System
Wide Change: Rsyslog log format change proposal
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Re: Retiring Packages with Broken Dependencies in branched (2017-06-12)

[Jared K. Smith]

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 6:38 PM,  wrote:

> asterisk   jsmith, gtjoseph, itamarjp,83 weeks ago
>lbazan, russellb
>
>
I'm actively working on fixing up Asterisk -- it took a while to get
systemd support back into dahdi-tools and get it unorphaned.  Now, I'm
running into a problem where Asterisk won't build on s390x.  See
https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=20012396.  That, in
turn, is probably going to mean pulling in a newer version of pjproject,
which has it's own issues on non x86_64 arches (see
https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=20014157).

I'm hoping to get this all sorted out in the next few days.

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Re: asterisk-dahdi cannot installed on Fedora 25

[Jared K. Smith]

dahdi-tools was orphaned due to missing systemd support.  I've added
systemd support and submitted it to be re-reviewed.  See RH BZ

1422683 .

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On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 1:30 PM,  wrote:

> Hi!
>
> asterisk-dahdi cannot installed on fc25.
>
> Fehler: nothing provides libtonezone.so.2.0()(64bit) needed by
> asterisk-dahdi-13.9.1-1.fc25.1.x86_64
>
>
> I have build dahdi-tools from the fc24 src and it works!
>
>
> --
>
>
> Dominik Kucher
>
>
>
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Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-12-16)

[Jared K. Smith]

===
#fedora-meeting: FESCO (2016-12-16)
===


Meeting started by jsmith at 16:00:48 UTC. The full logs are available
athttps://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-12-16/fesco.2016-12-16-16.00.log.html
.



Meeting summary
---
* init process  (jsmith, 16:00:48)

* #1646 No appropriate sudo directory for user scripts  (jsmith,
  16:06:00)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1646   (jsmith, 16:06:00)
  * AGREED: Defer a decision on ticket 1646 until January (+1: 5, +0:1,
-1:0)  (jsmith, 16:10:21)

* #1654 F26 System Wide Change: Enable systemd-coredump by default
  (jsmith, 16:10:34)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1654   (jsmith, 16:10:35)
  * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/coredumpctl   (jsmith,
16:11:43)
  * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1401772   (nirik,
16:11:47)
  * LINK: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/3855   (nirik,
16:11:54)
  * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1341829
(Rathann, 16:21:03)
  * AGREED: Change is approved, as long as SELinux issue is fixed
appropriately (+1:6,+0:0,-1:0)  (jsmith, 16:24:50)

* #1635 F26 Self Contained Changes  (jsmith, 16:25:06)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1635   (jsmith, 16:25:06)
  * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AuthconfigCleanup
(paragan, 16:26:11)
  * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/golang-buildmode-pie
(jsmith, 16:26:19)
  * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AuthconfigCleanup
(jsmith, 16:27:00)
  * AGREED: The authconfig self-contained change is approved
(+1:5,+0:0,-1:0)  (jsmith, 16:33:02)
  * AGREED: Wait until next meeting to vote on golang-buildmode-pie
issue, so that Rathann can solicit more feedback on the mailing
list.  (jsmith, 16:43:32)

* Chair for 06 Jan meeting  (jsmith, 16:43:47)
  * jwb to chair January 6th meeting  (jsmith, 16:44:33)

* Open Floor  (jsmith, 16:44:43)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/pagure/issue/1671   (paragan, 16:47:48)
  * Reminder to add yourself to the Fedora Vacations calendar if you
plan to be away  (jsmith, 16:48:19)

Meeting ended at 16:51:18 UTC.




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---
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  * (none)




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* Rathann (30)
* nirik (19)
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Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2016-12-16)

[Jared K. Smith]

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
FESCo meeting Friday at 16:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on
irc.freenode.net.

To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto

or run:
  date -d '2016-12-16 16:00 UTC'


Links to all issues below can be found at:
https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

= Followups =

#topic #1646 No appropriate sudo directory for user scripts
.fesco 1646
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1646

= New business =

#topic #1654 F26 System Wide Change: Enable systemd-coredump by default
.fesco 1654
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1654

#topic #1635 F26 Self Contained Changes
.fesco 1635
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1635

= Open Floor =

For more complete details, please visit each individual
issue.  The report of the agenda items can be found at
https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can
reply to this e-mail, file a new issue at
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Re: Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2016-11-04)

[Jared K. Smith]

On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 12:14 PM, Jared K. Smith <jsm...@fedoraproject.org>
wrote:

> For the second week in a row, we didn't have enough FESCo members to
> reach a quorum.  We'll push the agenda to next week's meeting.
>


I won't be able to make today's meeting, and since we haven't had a quorum
for the last two weeks, we don't have a volunteer to run today's meeting.
I'll vote in the tickets from last week's agenda.

-Jared
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Re: Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2016-11-04)

[Jared K. Smith]

On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Jared K. Smith <jsm...@fedoraproject.org>
wrote:

> Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in theFESCo meeting 
> Friday at 16:00UTC in #fedora-meeting onirc.freenode.net.
>
> To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
>   http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto
>
> or run:
>   date -d '2016-10-28 16:00 UTC'
>
>
For the second week in a row, we didn't have enough FESCo members to reach
a quorum.  We'll push the agenda to next week's meeting.  I kindly ask all
FESCo members to vote on items of interest in the FESCo tickets, especially
if they know they're not able to make the meeting.

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Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2016-11-04)

[Jared K. Smith]

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in theFESCo
meeting Friday at 16:00UTC in #fedora-meeting onirc.freenode.net.

To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto

or run:
  date -d '2016-10-28 16:00 UTC'


Links to all issues below can be found at:
https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

= Followups =

- none -

= New business =
#topic #1641 F26 System Wide Change: Retire Synaptics Driver
.fesco 1641
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1641

#topic #1639 Drop package ACLs for user: aledvink
.fesco 1639
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1639

#topic #1637 F26 System Wide Change: AARCH64 - 48-bit VA
.fesco 1639
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1639

#topic #1635 F26 Self Contained Changes
.fesco 1635
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1635
#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AnacondaBlivetGUI

= Open Floor =

For more complete details, please visit each individual
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reply to this e-mail, file a new issue athttps://pagure.io/fesco,
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Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-10-28)

[Jared K. Smith]

We didn't have a quorum in today's meeting, so we postponed the business
until next week's meeting.

Minutes:
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-10-28/fesco.2016-10-28-16.00.html
Minutes (text):
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-10-28/fesco.2016-10-28-16.00.txt

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Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2016-10-28)

[Jared K. Smith]

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
FESCo meeting Friday at 16:00UTC in #fedora-meeting onirc.freenode.net.

To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto

or run:
  date -d '2016-10-28 16:00 UTC'


Links to all issues below can be found at:
https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

= Followups =

- none -

= New business =
#topic #1641 F26 System Wide Change: Retire Synaptics Driver
.fesco 1641
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1641

#topic #1639 Drop package ACLs for user: aledvink
.fesco 1639
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1639

#topic #1637 F26 System Wide Change: AARCH64 - 48-bit VA
.fesco 1639
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1639

#topic #1635 F26 Self Contained Changes
.fesco 1635
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1635
#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AnacondaBlivetGUI

= Open Floor =

For more complete details, please visit each individual
issue.  The report of the agenda items can be found
athttps://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can
reply to this e-mail, file a new issue athttps://pagure.io/fesco,
e-mail me directly, or bring it
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that added topics may be deferred until the following meeting.

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Re: reviewing captagent (HOMER / SIPCapture)

[Jared K. Smith]

On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 5:07 AM, Daniel Pocock  wrote:

>
> Is anybody interested in reviewing captagent?
>

I was going to take it, but it looks like someone beat me to the punch.

-Jared
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Re: Orphaned packages seeking new point of contact

[Jared K. Smith]

On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 1:21 PM, Kevin Fenzi  wrote:

> coffee-script (el6)
> coffee-script (epel7)
> coffee-script (f23)
> coffee-script (f24)
> coffee-script (f25)
> coffee-script (master)
>


I'll take coffee-script, as it's quite useful for many of the other NodeJS
packages I work on.  All also make sure to give ACLs to the NodeJS SIG
packaging group.

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Re: Request package page: namespace choice

[Jared K. Smith]

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Jerry James  wrote:

> Is it really a good idea for the
> default to be "docker"?
>

I agree -- the default namespace should probably be "rpms", not "docker".

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Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-07-08)

[Jared K. Smith]

===
#fedora-meeting: FESCO (2016-07-08)
===


Meeting started by jsmith at 16:00:23 UTC. The full logs are available
athttps://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-07-08/fesco.2016-07-08-16.00.log.html
.



Meeting summary
---
* init process  (jsmith, 16:00:23)
  * No quorum, so postponing the meeting yet another week  (jsmith,
16:17:15)

* Next week's chair  (jsmith, 16:17:25)
  * ACTION: jwb to chair next week's meeting  (jsmith, 16:25:28)

* Open floor  (jsmith, 16:25:35)

Meeting ended at 16:39:50 UTC.




Action Items

* jwb to chair next week's meeting




Action Items, by person
---
* jwb
  * jwb to chair next week's meeting
* **UNASSIGNED**
  * (none)




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---
* jsmith (17)
* zodbot (7)
* number80 (2)
* jwb (2)
* sgallagh (0)
* nirik (0)
* paragan (0)
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Re: licensecheck split-off from devscripts-minimal

[Jared K. Smith]

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 6:42 AM, Stanislav Ochotnicky  wrote:

>
> licensecheck is a glorified grep
> oslc (and https://pagure.io/muster) use proper algorithms and a
> "database" of full license texts and headers to provide much better
> matching accuracy.



The Fossology project (fossology.org) uses two different license scanners
that also do much more than a glorified grep -- check out
http://archive15.fossology.org/projects/fossology/wiki/Nomos and
http://archive15.fossology.org/projects/fossology/wiki/Monk for more
details.

I've found them to be much better than anything else I've seen in the open
source space.

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Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2016-07-08)

[Jared K. Smith]

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo
meeting Friday at 16:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net.

To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto

or run:
  date -d '2016-07-08 16:00 UTC'


Links to all tickets below can be found at:
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9

= Followups =

(none)

= New business =
#topic #1593 cryptkeeper package is unmaintained / as well as upstream
.fesco 1593https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1593

#topic #1592 Redefinition of what constitutes a secondary/alternate
architecture in Fedora
.fesco 1592https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1592

#topic #1568 F25 Self Contained Changes
.fesco 1568https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1568
#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/BodhiNonRPMArtifacts
#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Erlang_19
#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ZF3



#topic #1594 F25 System Wide Change: IBus Emoji Typing
.fesco 1594https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1594

#topic #1590 F25 System Wide Change: GHC 7.10
.fesco 1590
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1590


= Open Floor =

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Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-06-10)

[Jared K. Smith]

#fedora-meeting: FESCO (2016-06-10)
Meeting started by jsmith at 16:00:40 UTC.  Full logs are available at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-06-10/fesco.2016-06-10-16.00.log.html

Meeting summary

init process (jsmith, 16:00:40)
Follow-ups (jsmith, 16:03:32)
#1576 Evaluate Workstation graphical upgrade Change status (jsmith,
16:03:43)
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1576 (jsmith, 16:03:43)

#1573 Docker Layered Image maintainer guildelines, naming guidelines
and review (jsmith, 16:07:05)
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1573 (jsmith, 16:07:05)
AGREED: #1573 Docker Layered Image maintainer guidelines, naming
guidelines and review are approved (+1: 7, +0:0, -1:0) (jsmith, 16:12:31)

New Business (jsmith, 16:12:53)
#1584 Please process systemd presets request, bz :1340061 (jsmith,
16:13:05)
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1584 (jsmith, 16:13:05)
AGREED: Closing #1584, as there's nothing for FESCo to do about it
at this time (jsmith, 16:15:47)

#1568 F25 Self Contained Changes (jsmith, 16:16:06)
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1568 (jsmith, 16:16:07)
AGREED: #1568 Self Contained Changes: All three new requested
changes are approved (jsmith, 16:22:06)

Next Week's Chair (jsmith, 16:22:21)
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Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2016-06-10)

[Jared K. Smith]

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo
meeting Friday at 16:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net.

To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto

or run:
  date -d '2016-06-10 16:00 UTC'


Links to all tickets below can be found at:
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9

= Followups =

#topic #1576 Evaluate Workstation graphical upgrade Change status
.fesco 1576
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1576

#topic #1573 Docker Layered Image maintainer guildelines, naming
guidelines and review
.fesco 1573
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1573

= New business =

#topic #1584 Please process systemd presets request, bz :1340061
.fesco 1584
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1584

#topic #1568 F25 Self contained changes
.fesco 1568
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1568

= Open Floor =

For more complete details, please visit each individual ticket.  The
report of the agenda items can be found
athttps://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9

If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to
this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco,
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Re: Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2016-05-20)

[Jared K. Smith]

My apologies, but I probably won't be able to make today's meeting due to
being stuck on an airplane (on the ground, with mechanical troubles) with
very limited internet access.

-Jared

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 2:52 AM, Parag Nemade  wrote:

> Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo
> meeting Friday at 16:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net.
>
> To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
>   http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto
>
> or run:
>   date -d '2016-05-20 16:00 UTC'
>
>
> Links to all tickets below can be found at:
> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9
>
> = Followups =
>
> #topic #1444 updates deliverables
> .fesco 1444
> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1444
>
> #topic #1568  F25 Self Contained Changes
> .fesco 1568
> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1568
>
> #topic #1576 Evaluate Workstation graphical upgrade Change status
> .fesco 1576
> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1576
>
> = New business =
>
> #topic #1578 F25 System Wide Change: Use /etc/repos.d as default reposdir
> .fesco 1578
> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1578
>
> = Open Floor =
>
> For more complete details, please visit each individual ticket.  The
> report of the agenda items can be found at
> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9
>
> If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to
> this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco,
> e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during
> the open floor topic. Note that added topics may be deferred until
> the following meeting.
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Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2016-04-29) [NEW TIME]

[Jared K. Smith]

[Please note that we've moved the meeting to be an hour earlier than last
week, due to daylight savings time.]

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo
meeting Friday at 16:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net.

To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto

or run:
  date -d '2016-04-29 16:00 UTC'


Links to all tickets below can be found at:
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9

= Followups =

#topic #1555 Please clarify updates policy for security issues
.fesco 1555
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1555

#topic #1444 updates deliverables
.fesco 1444
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1444

#topic #1566 Review of release blocking deliverables for F24
.fesco 1566
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1566

#topic #1571 need guideance of what exactly needs to be built from source
for Fedora Media Writer
.fesco 1571
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1571

= New business =

#topic #1570 F24 Changes not in ON_QA status (<100% completed)
.fesco 1570
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1570

#topic #1574 F25 System Wide Change: Removing Perl from Build Root
.fesco 1574
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1574

= Open Floor =

For more complete details, please visit each individual ticket.  The
report of the agenda items can be found at
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9

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this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco,
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Re: Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2016-04-22)

[Jared K. Smith]

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 7:08 PM, Kevin Fenzi  wrote:

> Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo
> meeting Friday at 17:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net.
>

My apologies in advanced, but I'm traveling today and may not be able to
make the meeting.  I'll try to catch up on the tickets before the meeting.

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Re: GNOME 3.19.92 megaupdate

[Jared K. Smith]

On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 6:18 AM, Richard Hughes  wrote:

> I think that would be even more confusing for projects that are not
> quite core GNOME, e.g. NetworkManager needing a new glib. We'd have to
> get any project depending on the core GNOME stuff to also build in the
> side tag for the duration of the delayed push, which we don't even
> know how long would be for. If you want to manage this that's fine,
> but for me I'd just stop building for rawhide as it's just too much
> hassle.
>


I'm confused by your reluctance to use a side-tag here -- it's really not a
hassle at all to use, and it would really help those of us who regularly
use Rawhide.  Would you be willing to at least try it for a couple of
iterations and see how it goes?

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Re: Fedora Rawhide 20160218 compose check report

[Jared K. Smith]

On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 9:18 PM, Kevin Kofler 
wrote:

> Yet another completely avoidable fatal error caused by SELinux. How many
> such show stoppers will it take until people finally realize that enabling
> SELinux by default was a horrible idea?
>


Not to put too fine a point on it, but I see SELinux like a seat-belt in a
car.  Yes, you can point out some cases where someone would have been safer
*not* wearing a seat-belt, or would have been less inconvenienced.  But the
benefits vastly outweigh the inconvenience.  So yes, SELinux does cause the
occasional problem in development -- but I'd much rather have slightly more
complicated development if it means a safer experience for Fedora users.

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Re: F24 Self Contained Change: Let's Encrypt client now in Fedora

[Jared K. Smith]

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 10:55 PM, Neal Gompa  wrote:

> And aren't we supposed to *not* do stuff like this
> anymore?
>


If I had to guess, I'd say that this was proposed as an F24 change to help
it get publicity in the release notes, etc.

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Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2016-01-29)

[Jared K. Smith]

(Apologies for the late schedule.)

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo
meeting Friday at 17:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net.

To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto

or run:
  date -d '2016-01-29 17:00 UTC'


Links to all tickets below can be found at:
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9

= Followups =

#topic #1532 F24 System Wide Change: NewRpmDBFormat
.fesco 1532
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1532

#topic #1518 Software packaged in Fedora should not be allowed to implement
DRM schemes that cannot be disabled
.fesco 1518
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1518

#topic #1527 rabbitvcs package maintainer not responding
.fesco 1527
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1527

#topic #1535 quassel maintainer (tuxbrewr) not responding
.fesco 1535
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/1535

= New business =

#topic #1478 F24 Self Contained Changes
.fesco 1478
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1478
#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AtomicStorageClients
#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Atomic_Developer_Mode
#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Erlang_18
#link
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ibus-fbterm_enhancement_for_ibus_1.5
#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/PingIpv6
#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/QGnomePlatform
#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/QtWebEngine

#topic #1539 Are 32-bit upgrades to Fedora 24 release blocking? Supported?
.fesco 1539
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1539


= Open Floor =

For more complete details, please visit each individual ticket.  The
report of the agenda items can be found at
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9

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this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco,
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