Re: F35 Change: Replace SDL 1.2 with sdl12-compat using SDL 2.0 (Self-Contained Change proposal)
Hi! On Wednesday, 02 June 2021 at 14:16, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 7:47 AM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski > wrote: > > > > On Monday, 17 May 2021 at 19:16, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 1:13 PM Matthew Miller > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 10:19:05AM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > > > > > ** Package [https://github.com/libsdl-org/sdl12-compat > > > > > libsdl12-compat] ([https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1960960 > > > > > RH#1960960]) > > > > > > > > I do have one serious question. What happens to: > > > > > > > > SDL_Pango > > > > SDL_gfx > > > > SDL_image > > > > SDL_mixer > > > > SDL_mng > > > > SDL_net > > > > SDL_sound > > > > SDL_ttf > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > Those should all work on top of sdl12-compat, according to upstream. > > > > SDL_sound has added SDL2 support[1] and then removed support for 1.2[2] > > in the development (default) branch while the stable-1.0 branch supports > > both 1.2 and 2.0[3]. They also haven't made any releases in 13 years. > > > > The latest development version of one of my packages, ags, is switching > > to SDL2 (from Allegro) and requires a corresponding SDL2-based > > SDL_sound. What are the plans for SDL_sound? At least two distributions > > have packaged Mercurial snapshots of SDL_sound build against SDL2[4][5]. > > I can ask upstream about making a 2.0 release that we can package as > SDL2_sound. It looks like the Debian maintainers already did and Ryan indicated he would make one back in April: https://alioth-lists.debian.net/pipermail/pkg-sdl-maintainers/2021-April/003260.html Regards, Dominik -- Fedora https://getfedora.org | RPM Fusion http://rpmfusion.org There should be a science of discontent. People need hard times and oppression to develop psychic muscles. -- from "Collected Sayings of Muad'Dib" by the Princess Irulan ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: F35 Change: Replace SDL 1.2 with sdl12-compat using SDL 2.0 (Self-Contained Change proposal)
On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 7:47 AM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > On Monday, 17 May 2021 at 19:16, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 1:13 PM Matthew Miller > > wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 10:19:05AM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > > > > ** Package [https://github.com/libsdl-org/sdl12-compat > > > > libsdl12-compat] ([https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1960960 > > > > RH#1960960]) > > > > > > I do have one serious question. What happens to: > > > > > > SDL_Pango > > > SDL_gfx > > > SDL_image > > > SDL_mixer > > > SDL_mng > > > SDL_net > > > SDL_sound > > > SDL_ttf > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > Those should all work on top of sdl12-compat, according to upstream. > > SDL_sound has added SDL2 support[1] and then removed support for 1.2[2] > in the development (default) branch while the stable-1.0 branch supports > both 1.2 and 2.0[3]. They also haven't made any releases in 13 years. > > The latest development version of one of my packages, ags, is switching > to SDL2 (from Allegro) and requires a corresponding SDL2-based > SDL_sound. What are the plans for SDL_sound? At least two distributions > have packaged Mercurial snapshots of SDL_sound build against SDL2[4][5]. I can ask upstream about making a 2.0 release that we can package as SDL2_sound. -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: F35 Change: Replace SDL 1.2 with sdl12-compat using SDL 2.0 (Self-Contained Change proposal)
On Monday, 17 May 2021 at 19:16, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 1:13 PM Matthew Miller > wrote: > > > > On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 10:19:05AM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > > > ** Package [https://github.com/libsdl-org/sdl12-compat > > > libsdl12-compat] ([https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1960960 > > > RH#1960960]) > > > > I do have one serious question. What happens to: > > > > SDL_Pango > > SDL_gfx > > SDL_image > > SDL_mixer > > SDL_mng > > SDL_net > > SDL_sound > > SDL_ttf > > > > ? > > > > Those should all work on top of sdl12-compat, according to upstream. SDL_sound has added SDL2 support[1] and then removed support for 1.2[2] in the development (default) branch while the stable-1.0 branch supports both 1.2 and 2.0[3]. They also haven't made any releases in 13 years. The latest development version of one of my packages, ags, is switching to SDL2 (from Allegro) and requires a corresponding SDL2-based SDL_sound. What are the plans for SDL_sound? At least two distributions have packaged Mercurial snapshots of SDL_sound build against SDL2[4][5]. Regards, Dominik [1] https://hg.icculus.org/icculus/SDL_sound/rev/7ba87def9569 [2] https://hg.icculus.org/icculus/SDL_sound/rev/b0389c65334c [3] https://hg.icculus.org/icculus/SDL_sound/rev/a8558f750f78 [4] https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/sdl2_sound-hg/ [5] https://codeberg.org/sabotage-linux/sabotage/commit/6645182d209373b0d8a87769d77ce10816576812 -- Fedora https://getfedora.org | RPM Fusion http://rpmfusion.org There should be a science of discontent. People need hard times and oppression to develop psychic muscles. -- from "Collected Sayings of Muad'Dib" by the Princess Irulan ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: F35 Change: Replace SDL 1.2 with sdl12-compat using SDL 2.0 (Self-Contained Change proposal)
On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 11:37 AM Ben Cotton wrote:
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SDL12onSDL2
>
> == Summary ==
> This Change proposes to replace SDL 1.2 with sdl12-compat, which uses SDL 2.0.
>
> == Owner ==
> * Name: [[User:Ngompa| Neal Gompa]]
> * Email: ngomp...@gmail.com
>
>
> == Detailed Description ==
> SDL 1.2 development ended long ago, with SDL 2.0 replacing it.
> However, many older games still use SDL 1.2 and cannot change to SDL
> 2.0. In order to help move SDL 1.2 games into the modern world, let's
> replace SDL 1.2 with sdl12-compat, which uses SDL 2.0.
>
>
> == Benefit to Fedora ==
> Switching SDL 1.2 powered games to use sdl12-compat
> offers significant advantages:
>
> * Automatic support for Wayland with SDL 2.0.16+
> * Native support for PipeWire for audio
> * Massively improved support for inputs (including gamepads)
>
> Ultimately, SDL 2.0 is actively maintained and developed. We want
> applications that use SDL to use an actively maintained codebase.
>
> == Scope ==
> * Proposal owners:
> ** Package [https://github.com/libsdl-org/sdl12-compat
> libsdl12-compat] ([https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1960960
> RH#1960960])
> ** Adjust {{package|SDL}} to not ship the main library package and use
> the one from libsdl12-compat
> ** Once [https://github.com/libsdl-org/sdl12-compat/issues/34
> replacement development headers are available], retire {{package|SDL}}
> completely.
>
> * Other developers: N/A
> * Release engineering: [https://pagure.io/releng/issue/10118 #10118]
> * Policies and guidelines: N/A (not needed for this Change)
> * Trademark approval: N/A (not needed for this Change)
> * Alignment with Objectives: N/A
>
>
> == Upgrade/compatibility impact ==
> The SDL package would be transparently upgraded to
> libsdl12-compat package and games using it should just
> transparently start using SDL 2.0.
>
>
>
> == How To Test ==
> 1. Swap SDL for sdl12-compat: dnf swap
> SDL sdl12-compat
>
> 2. Run something that uses SDL 1.2 like {{package|quake3}} and see
> that it works.
>
>
>
> == User Experience ==
> There shouldn't be a noticeable user impact, other than possibly a
> smoother experience because applications are using SDL 2.0.
>
> == Dependencies ==
>
>
> == Contingency Plan ==
> * Contingency mechanism: Restore the SDL package in
> {{package|SDL}}. If {{package|SDL}} has been fully retired, then
> unretire it.
> * Contingency deadline: Final Freeze
> * Blocks release? N/A (not a System Wide Change)
>
> == Documentation ==
>
> N/A (not a System Wide Change)
>
> == Release Notes ==
> Games that use SDL 1.2 will now transparently use SDL 2.0 through the
> sdl12-compat package. This makes it so applications that
> historically used SDL 1.2 now use SDL 2.0.
>
So a minor update here: sdl12-compat now has replacement headers.
Thus, I updated the proposal to include fully retiring SDL for
sdl12-compat.
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Re: F35 Change: Replace SDL 1.2 with sdl12-compat using SDL 2.0 (Self-Contained Change proposal)
On 5/18/21 9:17 PM, Jan Drögehoff wrote: It uses the exact same code as SDL 1.2 which has a version for i386 systems with inline assembly so that might need some eyes looking at it. Actually scratch that I had misinterpreted a contributors response to the issue and it has a completely fresh implementation apologies ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: F35 Change: Replace SDL 1.2 with sdl12-compat using SDL 2.0 (Self-Contained Change proposal)
On 5/18/21 12:45 PM, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: Ben Cotton wrote: This Change proposes to replace SDL 1.2 with sdl12-compat, which uses SDL 2.0. FYI, it took me just a few minutes of casually browsing commits to spot a memory corruption bug in this code: https://github.com/libsdl-org/sdl12-compat/commit/4c5e3b22593c4b48ac8129ae2096af5c00569dd4#commitcomment-50963635 Opened an issue for it[1] and was correctly shortly after[2] It uses the exact same code as SDL 1.2 which has a version for i386 systems with inline assembly so that might need some eyes looking at it. [1] https://github.com/libsdl-org/sdl12-compat/issues/56 [2] https://github.com/libsdl-org/sdl12-compat/commit/dacb4cf935ba3a6faee53c67d8973e2b375a3fe9 ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: F35 Change: Replace SDL 1.2 with sdl12-compat using SDL 2.0 (Self-Contained Change proposal)
Ben Cotton wrote: > This Change proposes to replace SDL 1.2 with sdl12-compat, which uses SDL > 2.0. FYI, it took me just a few minutes of casually browsing commits to spot a memory corruption bug in this code: https://github.com/libsdl-org/sdl12-compat/commit/4c5e3b22593c4b48ac8129ae2096af5c00569dd4#commitcomment-50963635 Kevin Kofler ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: F35 Change: Replace SDL 1.2 with sdl12-compat using SDL 2.0 (Self-Contained Change proposal)
Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > On 17.05.2021 16:19, Ben Cotton wrote: >> In order to help move SDL 1.2 games into the modern world, let's >> replace SDL 1.2 with sdl12-compat, which uses SDL 2.0. > > What about third-party **proprietary** games from Steam for example? sdl12-compat claims to be binary-compatible with SDL 1.2, so this should in principle not be a problem. Subtle behavioral differences or bugs (or even fixed bugs) could cause problems though. Kevin Kofler ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: F35 Change: Replace SDL 1.2 with sdl12-compat using SDL 2.0 (Self-Contained Change proposal)
On 5/17/21 9:53 PM, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > On 17.05.2021 20:50, Jan Drögehoff wrote: >> the Steam runtime ships its own SDL 1.2 so I don't think anything >> will change on that front > > Steam was just an example. There are lots of other proprietary > applications and games without their own runtime. > Well in the case an application depends on the system libraries I would assume sdl12-compat to be a drop in solution. Back in 2019[1] Ryan Gordon showed that the original Unreal Tournament 2004 runs fine under the compatibility layer so I would assume the same for everything that doesn't depend on quirks or bugs. [1] https://youtu.be/3uVmUCuJpF4 ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: F35 Change: Replace SDL 1.2 with sdl12-compat using SDL 2.0 (Self-Contained Change proposal)
On 17.05.2021 20:53, Benjamin Lowry wrote: Steam games default to using libraries shipped with the Steam runtime, which includes both SDL 1.2 and SDL 2.0 and allows games to choose which to use, so I don't think changing the system version of SDL would have any impact on propreitary Steam games. There are lots of other proprietary applications and games without their own runtime. -- Sincerely, Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org) ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: F35 Change: Replace SDL 1.2 with sdl12-compat using SDL 2.0 (Self-Contained Change proposal)
On 17.05.2021 20:50, Jan Drögehoff wrote: the Steam runtime ships its own SDL 1.2 so I don't think anything will change on that front Steam was just an example. There are lots of other proprietary applications and games without their own runtime. -- Sincerely, Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org) ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: F35 Change: Replace SDL 1.2 with sdl12-compat using SDL 2.0 (Self-Contained Change proposal)
On Mon, 2021-05-17 at 19:29 +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > On 17.05.2021 16:19, Ben Cotton wrote: > > In order to help move SDL 1.2 games into the modern world, let's > > replace SDL 1.2 with sdl12-compat, which uses SDL 2.0. > > What about third-party **proprietary** games from Steam for example? Steam games default to using libraries shipped with the Steam runtime, which includes both SDL 1.2 and SDL 2.0 and allows games to choose which to use, so I don't think changing the system version of SDL would have any impact on propreitary Steam games. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: F35 Change: Replace SDL 1.2 with sdl12-compat using SDL 2.0 (Self-Contained Change proposal)
On 5/17/21 7:29 PM, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: On 17.05.2021 16:19, Ben Cotton wrote: In order to help move SDL 1.2 games into the modern world, let's replace SDL 1.2 with sdl12-compat, which uses SDL 2.0. What about third-party **proprietary** games from Steam for example? the Steam runtime ships its own SDL 1.2 so I don't think anything will change on that front ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: F35 Change: Replace SDL 1.2 with sdl12-compat using SDL 2.0 (Self-Contained Change proposal)
On 17.05.2021 16:19, Ben Cotton wrote: In order to help move SDL 1.2 games into the modern world, let's replace SDL 1.2 with sdl12-compat, which uses SDL 2.0. What about third-party **proprietary** games from Steam for example? -- Sincerely, Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org) ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: F35 Change: Replace SDL 1.2 with sdl12-compat using SDL 2.0 (Self-Contained Change proposal)
On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 1:13 PM Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 10:19:05AM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > > ** Package [https://github.com/libsdl-org/sdl12-compat > > libsdl12-compat] ([https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1960960 > > RH#1960960]) > > I do have one serious question. What happens to: > > SDL_Pango > SDL_gfx > SDL_image > SDL_mixer > SDL_mng > SDL_net > SDL_sound > SDL_ttf > > ? > Those should all work on top of sdl12-compat, according to upstream. -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: F35 Change: Replace SDL 1.2 with sdl12-compat using SDL 2.0 (Self-Contained Change proposal)
On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 10:19:05AM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > ** Package [https://github.com/libsdl-org/sdl12-compat > libsdl12-compat] ([https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1960960 > RH#1960960]) I do have one serious question. What happens to: SDL_Pango SDL_gfx SDL_image SDL_mixer SDL_mng SDL_net SDL_sound SDL_ttf ? -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: F35 Change: Replace SDL 1.2 with sdl12-compat using SDL 2.0 (Self-Contained Change proposal)
On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 12:03:48PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > Or, crucially, IceBreaker. > You didn't port to SDL 2 yet? :P PRs welcome. :) -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: F35 Change: Replace SDL 1.2 with sdl12-compat using SDL 2.0 (Self-Contained Change proposal)
On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 12:01 PM Matthew Miller
wrote:
>
> > 1. Swap SDL for sdl12-compat: dnf swap
> > SDL sdl12-compat
> >
> > 2. Run something that uses SDL 1.2 like {{package|quake3}} and see
> > that it works.
>
> Or, crucially, IceBreaker.
>
You didn't port to SDL 2 yet? :P
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Re: F35 Change: Replace SDL 1.2 with sdl12-compat using SDL 2.0 (Self-Contained Change proposal)
> 1. Swap SDL for sdl12-compat: dnf swap
> SDL sdl12-compat
>
> 2. Run something that uses SDL 1.2 like {{package|quake3}} and see
> that it works.
Or, crucially, IceBreaker.
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F35 Change: Replace SDL 1.2 with sdl12-compat using SDL 2.0 (Self-Contained Change proposal)
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SDL12onSDL2
== Summary ==
This Change proposes to replace SDL 1.2 with sdl12-compat, which uses SDL 2.0.
== Owner ==
* Name: [[User:Ngompa| Neal Gompa]]
* Email: ngomp...@gmail.com
== Detailed Description ==
SDL 1.2 development ended long ago, with SDL 2.0 replacing it.
However, many older games still use SDL 1.2 and cannot change to SDL
2.0. In order to help move SDL 1.2 games into the modern world, let's
replace SDL 1.2 with sdl12-compat, which uses SDL 2.0.
== Benefit to Fedora ==
Switching SDL 1.2 powered games to use sdl12-compat
offers significant advantages:
* Automatic support for Wayland with SDL 2.0.16+
* Native support for PipeWire for audio
* Massively improved support for inputs (including gamepads)
Ultimately, SDL 2.0 is actively maintained and developed. We want
applications that use SDL to use an actively maintained codebase.
== Scope ==
* Proposal owners:
** Package [https://github.com/libsdl-org/sdl12-compat
libsdl12-compat] ([https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1960960
RH#1960960])
** Adjust {{package|SDL}} to not ship the main library package and use
the one from libsdl12-compat
** Once [https://github.com/libsdl-org/sdl12-compat/issues/34
replacement development headers are available], retire {{package|SDL}}
completely.
* Other developers: N/A
* Release engineering: [https://pagure.io/releng/issue/10118 #10118]
* Policies and guidelines: N/A (not needed for this Change)
* Trademark approval: N/A (not needed for this Change)
* Alignment with Objectives: N/A
== Upgrade/compatibility impact ==
The SDL package would be transparently upgraded to
libsdl12-compat package and games using it should just
transparently start using SDL 2.0.
== How To Test ==
1. Swap SDL for sdl12-compat: dnf swap
SDL sdl12-compat
2. Run something that uses SDL 1.2 like {{package|quake3}} and see
that it works.
== User Experience ==
There shouldn't be a noticeable user impact, other than possibly a
smoother experience because applications are using SDL 2.0.
== Dependencies ==
== Contingency Plan ==
* Contingency mechanism: Restore the SDL package in
{{package|SDL}}. If {{package|SDL}} has been fully retired, then
unretire it.
* Contingency deadline: Final Freeze
* Blocks release? N/A (not a System Wide Change)
== Documentation ==
N/A (not a System Wide Change)
== Release Notes ==
Games that use SDL 1.2 will now transparently use SDL 2.0 through the
sdl12-compat package. This makes it so applications that
historically used SDL 1.2 now use SDL 2.0.
--
Ben Cotton
He / Him / His
Fedora Program Manager
Red Hat
TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolis
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F35 Change: Replace SDL 1.2 with sdl12-compat using SDL 2.0 (Self-Contained Change proposal)
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SDL12onSDL2
== Summary ==
This Change proposes to replace SDL 1.2 with sdl12-compat, which uses SDL 2.0.
== Owner ==
* Name: [[User:Ngompa| Neal Gompa]]
* Email: ngomp...@gmail.com
== Detailed Description ==
SDL 1.2 development ended long ago, with SDL 2.0 replacing it.
However, many older games still use SDL 1.2 and cannot change to SDL
2.0. In order to help move SDL 1.2 games into the modern world, let's
replace SDL 1.2 with sdl12-compat, which uses SDL 2.0.
== Benefit to Fedora ==
Switching SDL 1.2 powered games to use sdl12-compat
offers significant advantages:
* Automatic support for Wayland with SDL 2.0.16+
* Native support for PipeWire for audio
* Massively improved support for inputs (including gamepads)
Ultimately, SDL 2.0 is actively maintained and developed. We want
applications that use SDL to use an actively maintained codebase.
== Scope ==
* Proposal owners:
** Package [https://github.com/libsdl-org/sdl12-compat
libsdl12-compat] ([https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1960960
RH#1960960])
** Adjust {{package|SDL}} to not ship the main library package and use
the one from libsdl12-compat
** Once [https://github.com/libsdl-org/sdl12-compat/issues/34
replacement development headers are available], retire {{package|SDL}}
completely.
* Other developers: N/A
* Release engineering: [https://pagure.io/releng/issue/10118 #10118]
* Policies and guidelines: N/A (not needed for this Change)
* Trademark approval: N/A (not needed for this Change)
* Alignment with Objectives: N/A
== Upgrade/compatibility impact ==
The SDL package would be transparently upgraded to
libsdl12-compat package and games using it should just
transparently start using SDL 2.0.
== How To Test ==
1. Swap SDL for sdl12-compat: dnf swap
SDL sdl12-compat
2. Run something that uses SDL 1.2 like {{package|quake3}} and see
that it works.
== User Experience ==
There shouldn't be a noticeable user impact, other than possibly a
smoother experience because applications are using SDL 2.0.
== Dependencies ==
== Contingency Plan ==
* Contingency mechanism: Restore the SDL package in
{{package|SDL}}. If {{package|SDL}} has been fully retired, then
unretire it.
* Contingency deadline: Final Freeze
* Blocks release? N/A (not a System Wide Change)
== Documentation ==
N/A (not a System Wide Change)
== Release Notes ==
Games that use SDL 1.2 will now transparently use SDL 2.0 through the
sdl12-compat package. This makes it so applications that
historically used SDL 1.2 now use SDL 2.0.
--
Ben Cotton
He / Him / His
Fedora Program Manager
Red Hat
TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolis
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