Re: Please provide "Minimal CD" of Fedora

[M. Edward (Ed) Borasky]

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 11:15 AM William Moreno 
wrote:

> Just my 2 cents
>
> A minimal fedora iso with @base and @core packages can the tool for a
> advanced user to build it own fedora experience on top a minimal install.
>
> If I want just lightdm and i3, openbox, awesome etc a minimal installable
> fedora iso than do not requiere internet access at install time will be a
> excellent option.
>
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The openSUSE installer (both net and DVD-with-packages) includes a "Minimal
X" install option. I don't remember what's in it but the window manager is
IceWM, a ratty-looking but serviceable GUI. I think it includes Firefox but
maybe a lighter browser is there. You can do the same from the Fedora net
install.

It would be pretty easy to make a lightweight Live CD with a minimal GUI, a
lightweight browser and the Anaconda installer as a Fedora remix. But
personally I'd rather see the effort go into building up the "Atomic
Desktop" as a lightweight Fedora.
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Re: Please provide "Minimal CD" of Fedora

[William Moreno]

Just my 2 cents

A minimal fedora iso with @base and @core packages can the tool for a
advanced user to build it own fedora experience on top a minimal install.

If I want just lightdm and i3, openbox, awesome etc a minimal installable
fedora iso than do not requiere internet access at install time will be a
excellent option.

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Re: Please provide "Minimal CD" of Fedora

[Adam Williamson]

On Mon, 2017-02-20 at 11:31 -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
> El lun, 20-02-2017 a las 08:10 -0800, Adam Williamson escribió:
> > On Sun, 2017-02-19 at 23:45 +, Personal (open) wrote:
> > > DVD IS ALSO in Workstation and is routinely given out at events. 
> > 
> > That's the live image. When we say 'DVD' we don't just mean 'any ISO
> > written to a DVD', it has a specific meaning for Fedora (and RH)
> > images: it's an installer image containing a package repository.
> 
> Which server does have, It is slightly bigger than a minimal install,
> but not much.  It is likely what is wanted.

Well, it's 2.8GiB. The default install it does isn't very large, but it
includes various server package sets which bump up the image size.
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Re: Please provide "Minimal CD" of Fedora

[Fa Be]

> On Mon, 2017-02-20 at 04:47 +, Fa Be wrote:
> 
> It does not, no.
Why? Do you know how Debian can do it and what is differences between CentOS 
and Debian in the field of default software?

I can guess some:

SELinux, Installer
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Re: Please provide "Minimal CD" of Fedora

[Fa Be]

Allright everybody, thanks for your response, I became convinced that there is 
no need to Minimal CD of Fedoa.

I understand that if a system is so old that does not have USB port, Fedora in 
not siutable for it, and must try CentOS or something lighter and LEGACY!, and 
1.3GB for DVD is not too much high these days, instead it included many sotware 
which is used by most users, there are also "Fedora Free Media Program" and 
CentOS.

I will install and try Fedora via Net Install at few weeks later, when I 
charged my internet service.
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Re: Please provide "Minimal CD" of Fedora

[Adam Williamson]

On Mon, 2017-02-20 at 04:47 +, Fa Be wrote:
> First of all I must say I assume that the Minimal CD of CentOS
> provides the GNOME Desktop like Debian #1 CD

It does not, no.
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Re: Please provide "Minimal CD" of Fedora

[Adam Williamson]

On Sun, 2017-02-19 at 23:45 +, Personal (open) wrote:
> DVD IS ALSO in Workstation and is routinely given out at events. 

That's the live image. When we say 'DVD' we don't just mean 'any ISO
written to a DVD', it has a specific meaning for Fedora (and RH)
images: it's an installer image containing a package repository.
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Re: Please provide "Minimal CD" of Fedora

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On 20.02.2017 04:47, Fa Be wrote: 

>> On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 11:29:37AM -, Fa Be wrote: But then you need to 
>> add more stuff later, right? Isn't the network install + downloading 
>> specifically what you want a better option anyway?
> 
> First of all I must say I assume that the Minimal CD of CentOS provides the 
> GNOME Desktop like Debian #1 CD, based on this assumption, adding more stuff 
> is not always necessary. Don't think only to me, imagine there is many old 
> and network-less systems in one place which needs to a graphical environment 
> like GNOME for file system browsing, image viewing, trying GNOME, etc. The 
> Net install option is not efficient for this purpose and Live DVD has several 
> problems:
> 
> 1. It is huge for people of developing and un-developed countries.
> *** DVD /USB images are available and need no internet / networking beyond 
> LAN / NFS ( assuming local mirrors)
> 
> 2. It need to a DVD disc and DVD ROM for install via Optical Disc Drive (ODD).
> *** DVD images can and are recommended even these days to be burned to usb 
> via Fedora Media Creator, live-iso-to-disk, or simple dd
> 
> 3. It is a traffic wasting option, because all the software inside it is not 
> necessarily used, like Libre Office, firefox, etc.
> *** Using a kickstart can / does alleviate MOST of this issue -- Guides are 
> on the wiki for this, Secondly ( assuming root pass or sudo use is available 
> copy /root/anaconda-ks.cfg to somewhere in your /home/ space and 
> remove what is not needed ( That file is the kickstart that created your 
> presently working/installed system ( in the event you'd rather not create it 
> from scratch)
> 
> 4. If Fedora can not installed on a system due to various reasons, The DVD 
> option is like above case, wasting network traffic.
> *** Again, assuming you have media from an event OR the freemedia sub project 
> that is no longer an issue.
> 
> I think I provided reasonable grounds why the Fedora project should provide 
> Minimal CD. Thank you
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Re: Please provide "Minimal CD" of Fedora

[Tomasz Torcz]

On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 03:50:33PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 11:29:37AM -, Fa Be wrote:
> > It will be very beneficial for people if the Fedora project provides
> > the Minimal CD images of Fedora. It can attract more users to Fedora
> > and is very useful for people who have the internt with
> > low-bandwidth. Currently I use Debian due to the lack of Minimal CD
> > of Fedora.
> 
> But then you need to add more stuff later, right? Isn't the network
> install + downloading specifically what you want a better option
> anyway?

  Not to mention first “dnf upgrade” after installation could easily
replace half of distribution, with significant download size.
  That's why I prefer netinstall – one gets fresh updates during the
installation.

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Re: Please provide "Minimal CD" of Fedora

[Samuel Rakitničan]

> And build your own kernel and compile other applications from source?
> Wouldn't that fragment the system? That might lead to dependency issues!
> CentOS is only good enough if he doesn't want the latest and greatest of
> everything! Or if he runs on old hardware.
> 

Almost all is available for CentOS also including latest kernels from third 
party repoes.
http://elrepo.org/tiki/kernel-ml
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Re: Please provide "Minimal CD" of Fedora

[Fa Be]

> Le 2017-02-20 05:47, Fa Be a écrit :
> 
> Have you tried to use Fedora Cloud Base images? 
> https://alt.fedoraproject.org/cloud/
> It's about 128Mo
> 
> You may convert qcow2 image with:
> * sudo apt-get install qemu-kvm
> * qemu-img convert test.qcow2 -O raw disk.img
> 
> Here is the howto:
> http://askubuntu.com/questions/195139/how-to-convert-qcow2-virtual-disk-t...

No, I did not know that and I don't think it could boot up a system, also it is 
not something that I need.
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Re: Please provide "Minimal CD" of Fedora

[Utkarsh Anand]

And build your own kernel and compile other applications from source?
Wouldn't that fragment the system? That might lead to dependency issues!
CentOS is only good enough if he doesn't want the latest and greatest of
everything! Or if he runs on old hardware.

On Feb 20, 2017 17:21, "Samuel Rakitničan" 
wrote:

> Quite frankly, I don't think Fedora is suitable for people with low
> bandwidth, simply because of its nature of updating policy. Even when using
> proxy with squid cache for packages, packages updates constantly and cache
> becomes obsolete very quickly. CentOS is much better choice.
>
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Re: Please provide "Minimal CD" of Fedora

[Martin Kolman]

On Sun, 2017-02-19 at 18:08 -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Matthew Miller
>  wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 11:29:37AM -, Fa Be wrote:
> > > It will be very beneficial for people if the Fedora project
> > > provides
> > > the Minimal CD images of Fedora. It can attract more users to
> > > Fedora
> > > and is very useful for people who have the internt with
> > > low-bandwidth. Currently I use Debian due to the lack of Minimal
> > > CD
> > > of Fedora.
> > 
> > But then you need to add more stuff later, right? Isn't the network
> > install + downloading specifically what you want a better option
> > anyway?
> 
> I agree that it can be very difficult to define "what you need to add
> later". Gnome or even a compiler are undesirable on a stripped down
> minimal fileserver with Samba capability. Spamassassin may be useful
> on a mail server, but is pointless on anything else. Even the
> netinstall ISO images are burdened by the frankly unnecessary X based
> graphical installer. Anaconda didn't, and shouldn't, need graphical
> displays to operate, and that has contributed to a "netinstall.iso"
> of
> nearly 500 MB for Fedora 25.
Anaconda itself can work just fine without any GUI stuff being
installed (GTK/X/etc.) - providing the text interface + kickstart
installation support. That would make the image quite a bit smaller.

It's just that AFAIK no such (text-only) Fedora installation image is
actually being created at the moment.

>  There was a decision made to make the
> installer itself much more graphically intense and to invent a new
> "spoke and hub" based installation workflow. Unfortunately, if your
> initial setup now requires a 500 MB download to get the bootstrap ISO
> image with all the graphical components to operate at all, it
> convinces me that making the installers so graphical was actually a
> hindrance to developers.
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Re: Please provide "Minimal CD" of Fedora

[Jean-Baptiste Holcroft]

Le 2017-02-20 05:47, Fa Be a écrit :


1. It is huge for people of developing and un-developed countries.
2. It need to a DVD disc and DVD ROM for install via Optical Disc Drive 
(ODD).

3. It is a traffic wasting option, because all the software inside it
is not necessarily used, like Libre Office, firefox, etc.
4. If Fedora can not installed on a system due to varios reasons, The
DVD option is like above case, wasting network traffic.

I think I provided reasonable grounds why the Fedora project should
provide Minimal CD. Thank you


Have you tried to use Fedora Cloud Base images? 
https://alt.fedoraproject.org/cloud/

It's about 128Mo

You may convert qcow2 image with:
* sudo apt-get install qemu-kvm
* qemu-img convert test.qcow2 -O raw disk.img

Here is the howto:
http://askubuntu.com/questions/195139/how-to-convert-qcow2-virtual-disk-to-physical-machine-and-reversely
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Re: Please provide "Minimal CD" of Fedora

[Samuel Rakitničan]

Quite frankly, I don't think Fedora is suitable for people with low
bandwidth, simply because of its nature of updating policy. Even when using
proxy with squid cache for packages, packages updates constantly and cache
becomes obsolete very quickly. CentOS is much better choice.
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Re: Please provide "Minimal CD" of Fedora

[Gerd Hoffmann]

On So, 2017-02-19 at 16:30 +, Fa Be wrote:
> Excuse me, I mean the network traffic. I have a internet service with
> only 4GB per month, and I must use it carefully due to various needs.
> Minimal CD is the excellent option for people like me, Net Install is
> not good enough, because it need to internet and huge data for every
> install, but Minimal CD is similar to the Live DVD option, it can
> installed without limit on the number and does not need to internt.

FYI: I'm running a big squid cache, and everything (yum, mock, ...) is
configured to (a) use a fixed mirror and (b) use the squid as proxy.
That nicely avoids downloading the same packages over my slow internet
link again and again.  Works not only for fresh installs (use
inst.proxy=$uri), but for updates too.

cheers,
  Gerd
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Re: Please provide "Minimal CD" of Fedora

[Fa Be]

> On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 11:29:37AM -, Fa Be wrote:
> 
> But then you need to add more stuff later, right? Isn't the network
> install + downloading specifically what you want a better option
> anyway?

First of all I must say I assume that the Minimal CD of CentOS provides the 
GNOME Desktop like Debian #1 CD, based on this assumption, adding more stuff is 
not always necessary. Don't think only to me, imagine there is many old and 
network-less systems in one place which needs to a graphical environment like 
GNOME for file system browsing, image viewing, trying GNOME, etc. The Net 
install option is not efficient for this purpose and Live DVD has several 
problems:

1. It is huge for people of developing and un-developed countries.
2. It need to a DVD disc and DVD ROM for install via Optical Disc Drive (ODD).
3. It is a traffic wasting option, because all the software inside it is not 
necessarily used, like Libre Office, firefox, etc.
4. If Fedora can not installed on a system due to varios reasons, The DVD 
option is like above case, wasting network traffic.

I think I provided reasonable grounds why the Fedora project should provide 
Minimal CD. Thank you
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Re: Please provide "Minimal CD" of Fedora

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On 19.02.2017 16:50, Sérgio Basto wrote: 

> On Dom, 2017-02-19 at 11:29 +, Fa Be wrote:
> 
>> Hello, CentOS and Debian provides installation images in four options, but 
>> fedora provides two options: == All is for AMD64 == 
>> -- Net install: -- * CentOS v7 (1611) = 377M * 
>> Debian v8.7 = 248 MB * Fedora v25-1.3 = 464 MB  Minimal CD 
>> (#1/default/GNOME):  * CentOS v7 (1611) = 633 MB * Debian 
>> v8.7 = 630M * Fedora = NOT AVAILABLE - Live images (GNOME): 
>> - * CentOS v7 (1611) = 1.2 GB * Debian v8.7 = 1.3G * Fedora 
>> v25-1.3 = 1.3G --- DVD: --- * CentOS = YES * Debian = YES * Fedora = 
>> NO
> 
> DVD is just in Fedora server releases : 
> https://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/releases/25/Server/x86_64/iso/ [1]
> 
>> = It will be very beneficial for people if the Fedora 
>> project provides the Minimal CD images of Fedora. It can attract more users 
>> to Fedora and is very useful for people who have the internt with low- 
>> bandwidth. Currently I use Debian due to the lack of Minimal CD of Fedora. 
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DVD IS ALSO in Workstation and is routinely given out at events. 

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Re: Please provide "Minimal CD" of Fedora

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Replies below. 

On 19.02.2017 15:36, Radka Janekova wrote: 

>> I think a netinstall would be what you're looking for Radka, but I don't 
>> know from where you can download it. 
> 
> Me - not looking for anything - merely providing resources to "the other guy" 
> :P 
> 
> Best regards, 
> Radka 
> 
> -
> 
> RADKA JANEKOVÁ 
> radka.ja...@redhat.com 
> 
> On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Sylvia  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone, 
> 
> Well... some Latin American countries have really bad and unstable connection 
> so the smaller an ISO is the better for them. 
> I think a netinstall would be what you're looking for Radka, but I don't know 
> from where you can download it. 
> 
> Cheers, 
> Sylvia 
> 
> On Sun, 2017-02-19 at 13:15 +0100, Radka Janekova wrote: 
> Hi, 
> 
> Fedora has to offer these: 
> Workstation - https://getfedora.org/en/workstation [1] 
> Server - https://getfedora.org/en/server [2] 
> Cloud - https://getfedora.org/en/cloud [3] 
> Atomic - https://getfedora.org/en/atomic/ [4] 
> Spins - https://spins.fedoraproject.org [5] 
> Labs - https://labs.fedoraproject.org [6] 
> ARM - https://arm.fedoraproject.org [7] 
> 
> Are you sure that it's not in one of the other categories? =) 
> I know that ARM has a minimal install, can't see workstation type anywhere 
> though. 
> 
>> and is very useful for people who have the internt with low-bandwidth 
> Do you mean like data limit? I doubt that there is anyone with too low speed 
> to not download 1GB overnight these days... 
> 
> Best regards, 
> Radka 
> 
> -
> 
> RADKA JANEKOVÁ 
> radka.ja...@redhat.com 
> 
> On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Fa Be  wrote:
> Hello, CentOS and Debian provides installation images in four options, but 
> fedora provides two options:
> 
> ==
> All is for AMD64
> ==
> --
> Net install:
> --
> * CentOS v7 (1611) = 377M
> * Debian v8.7 = 248 MB
> * Fedora v25-1.3 = 464 MB
> 
> Minimal CD (#1/default/GNOME):
> 
> * CentOS v7 (1611) = 633 MB
> * Debian v8.7 = 630M
> * Fedora = NOT AVAILABLE
> -
> Live images (GNOME):
> -
> * CentOS v7 (1611) = 1.2 GB
> * Debian v8.7 = 1.3G
> * Fedora v25-1.3 = 1.3G
> ---
> DVD:
> ---
> * CentOS = YES
> * Debian = YES
> * Fedora = NO
> =
> It will be very beneficial for people if the Fedora project provides the 
> Minimal CD images of Fedora. It can attract more users to Fedora and is very 
> useful for people who have the internt with low-bandwidth. Currently I use 
> Debian due to the lack of Minimal CD of Fedora. Thanks
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 If the initial install PLUS updates is an issue there are the community
spins, also with the netinstall as others have mentioned you can make
the installed image ( and thus the download payload) rather small. As a
member of the community respins I would be open to making a few one off
minimals to suit (note I did not say maintain). Feel free to direct
requests to this email or linuxmodder [AT] fedoraproject  org. 

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Re: Please provide "Minimal CD" of Fedora

[Nico Kadel-Garcia]

On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Matthew Miller
 wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 11:29:37AM -, Fa Be wrote:
>> It will be very beneficial for people if the Fedora project provides
>> the Minimal CD images of Fedora. It can attract more users to Fedora
>> and is very useful for people who have the internt with
>> low-bandwidth. Currently I use Debian due to the lack of Minimal CD
>> of Fedora.
>
> But then you need to add more stuff later, right? Isn't the network
> install + downloading specifically what you want a better option
> anyway?

I agree that it can be very difficult to define "what you need to add
later". Gnome or even a compiler are undesirable on a stripped down
minimal fileserver with Samba capability. Spamassassin may be useful
on a mail server, but is pointless on anything else. Even the
netinstall ISO images are burdened by the frankly unnecessary X based
graphical installer. Anaconda didn't, and shouldn't, need graphical
displays to operate, and that has contributed to a "netinstall.iso" of
nearly 500 MB for Fedora 25. There was a decision made to make the
installer itself much more graphically intense and to invent a new
"spoke and hub" based installation workflow. Unfortunately, if your
initial setup now requires a 500 MB download to get the bootstrap ISO
image with all the graphical components to operate at all, it
convinces me that making the installers so graphical was actually a
hindrance to developers.
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Re: Please provide "Minimal CD" of Fedora

[Matthew Miller]

On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 11:29:37AM -, Fa Be wrote:
> It will be very beneficial for people if the Fedora project provides
> the Minimal CD images of Fedora. It can attract more users to Fedora
> and is very useful for people who have the internt with
> low-bandwidth. Currently I use Debian due to the lack of Minimal CD
> of Fedora.

But then you need to add more stuff later, right? Isn't the network
install + downloading specifically what you want a better option
anyway?


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Re: Please provide "Minimal CD" of Fedora

[Adam Williamson]

On Sun, 2017-02-19 at 14:03 +, Peter Robinson wrote:
> 
> There's the network installer which is fairly minimal
> 
> http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/25/Everything/x86_64/iso/

It's not the same thing. The 'minimal' image for CentOS (and RHEL? Not
sure if RHEL ships it) is an image containing packages, like the Server
DVD, but it only contains (I think) the equivalent of @core or possibly
@base. So you can do a fully offline install of a very minimal system.

Fedora has never shipped such an image.
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Re: Please provide "Minimal CD" of Fedora

[Sérgio Basto]

On Dom, 2017-02-19 at 11:29 +, Fa Be wrote:
> Hello, CentOS and Debian provides installation images in four
> options, but fedora provides two options:
> 
> ==
> All is for AMD64
> ==
> --
> Net install:
> --
> * CentOS v7 (1611) = 377M
> * Debian  v8.7 = 248 MB
> * Fedora   v25-1.3   = 464 MB
> 
> Minimal CD (#1/default/GNOME):
> 
> * CentOS v7 (1611) = 633 MB
> * Debian  v8.7 = 630M
> * Fedora  = NOT AVAILABLE
> -
> Live images (GNOME):
> -
> * CentOS v7 (1611) = 1.2 GB
> * Debian  v8.7 = 1.3G
> * Fedora   v25-1.3   = 1.3G
> ---
> DVD:
> ---
> * CentOS = YES
> * Debian = YES
> * Fedora  = NO

DVD is just in Fedora server releases : 
https://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/releases/25/Server/x86_64/iso/

> =
> It will be very beneficial for people if the Fedora project provides
> the Minimal CD images of Fedora. It can attract more users to Fedora
> and is very useful for people who have the internt with low-
> bandwidth. Currently I use Debian due to the lack of Minimal CD of
> Fedora. Thanks
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Re: Please provide "Minimal CD" of Fedora

[Fa Be]

Excuse me, I mean the network traffic. I have a internet service with only 4GB 
per month, and I must use it carefully due to various needs. Minimal CD is the 
excellent option for people like me, Net Install is not good enough, because it 
need to internet and huge data for every install, but Minimal CD is similar to 
the Live DVD option, it can installed without limit on the number and does not 
need to internt.
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Re: Please provide "Minimal CD" of Fedora

[Radka Janekova]

> I think a netinstall would be what you're looking for Radka, but I don't
know from where you can download it.

Me - not looking for anything - merely providing resources to "the other
guy" :P


Best regards,
Radka

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On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Sylvia  wrote:

>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Well... some Latin American countries have really bad and unstable
> connection so the smaller an ISO is the better for them.
> I think a netinstall would be what you're looking for Radka, but I don't
> know from where you can download it.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Sylvia
>
>
> On Sun, 2017-02-19 at 13:15 +0100, Radka Janekova wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Fedora has to offer these:
> Workstation - https://getfedora.org/en/workstation
> Server - https://getfedora.org/en/server
> Cloud - https://getfedora.org/en/cloud
> Atomic - https://getfedora.org/en/atomic/
> Spins - https://spins.fedoraproject.org
> Labs - https://labs.fedoraproject.org
> ARM - https://arm.fedoraproject.org
>
> Are you sure that it's not in one of the other categories? =)
> I know that ARM has a minimal install, can't see workstation type anywhere
> though.
>
> > and is very useful for people who have the internt with low-bandwidth
> Do you mean like data limit? I doubt that there is anyone with too low
> speed to not download 1GB overnight these days...
>
>
> Best regards,
> Radka
>
> --
> *Radka Janeková*
> *radka.ja...@redhat.com *
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Fa Be  wrote:
>
> Hello, CentOS and Debian provides installation images in four options, but
> fedora provides two options:
>
> ==
> All is for AMD64
> ==
> --
> Net install:
> --
> * CentOS v7 (1611) = 377M
> * Debian  v8.7 = 248 MB
> * Fedora   v25-1.3   = 464 MB
> 
> Minimal CD (#1/default/GNOME):
> 
> * CentOS v7 (1611) = 633 MB
> * Debian  v8.7 = 630M
> * Fedora  = NOT AVAILABLE
> -
> Live images (GNOME):
> -
> * CentOS v7 (1611) = 1.2 GB
> * Debian  v8.7 = 1.3G
> * Fedora   v25-1.3   = 1.3G
> ---
> DVD:
> ---
> * CentOS = YES
> * Debian = YES
> * Fedora  = NO
> =
> It will be very beneficial for people if the Fedora project provides the
> Minimal CD images of Fedora. It can attract more users to Fedora and is
> very useful for people who have the internt with low-bandwidth. Currently I
> use Debian due to the lack of Minimal CD of Fedora. Thanks
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Re: Please provide "Minimal CD" of Fedora

[Sylvia]

Hello everyone,
Well...  some Latin American countries have really bad and unstable
connection so the smaller an ISO is the better for them.I think a
netinstall would be what you're looking for Radka, but I don't know
from where you can download it.

Cheers, Sylvia

On Sun, 2017-02-19 at 13:15 +0100, Radka Janekova wrote:
> Hi,
> Fedora has to offer these:
> Workstation - https://getfedora.org/en/workstation
> Server - https://getfedora.org/en/server
> Cloud - https://getfedora.org/en/cloud
> Atomic - https://getfedora.org/en/atomic/
> Spins - https://spins.fedoraproject.org
> Labs - https://labs.fedoraproject.org
> ARM - https://arm.fedoraproject.org
> 
> Are you sure that it's not in one of the other categories? =)
> I know that ARM has a minimal install, can't see workstation type
> anywhere though.
> 
> > and is very useful for people who have the internt with low-
> bandwidth
> Do you mean like data limit? I doubt that there is anyone with too
> low speed to not download 1GB overnight these days...
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> Radka
>   
> 
> 
> Radka Janeková
> radka.ja...@redhat.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Fa Be 
> wrote:
> > Hello, CentOS and Debian provides installation images in four
> > options, but fedora provides two options:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ==
> > 
> > All is for AMD64
> > 
> > ==
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Net install:
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > * CentOS v7 (1611) = 377M
> > 
> > * Debian  v8.7         = 248 MB
> > 
> > * Fedora   v25-1.3   = 464 MB
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Minimal CD (#1/default/GNOME):
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > * CentOS v7 (1611) = 633 MB
> > 
> > * Debian  v8.7         = 630M
> > 
> > * Fedora                  = NOT AVAILABLE
> > 
> > -
> > 
> > Live images (GNOME):
> > 
> > -
> > 
> > * CentOS v7 (1611) = 1.2 GB
> > 
> > * Debian  v8.7         = 1.3G
> > 
> > * Fedora   v25-1.3   = 1.3G
> > 
> > ---
> > 
> > DVD:
> > 
> > ---
> > 
> > * CentOS = YES
> > 
> > * Debian = YES
> > 
> > * Fedora  = NO
> > 
> > =
> > 
> > It will be very beneficial for people if the Fedora project
> > provides the Minimal CD images of Fedora. It can attract more users
> > to Fedora and is very useful for people who have the internt with
> > low-bandwidth. Currently I use Debian due to the lack of Minimal CD
> > of Fedora. Thanks
> > 
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Re: Please provide "Minimal CD" of Fedora

[Peter Robinson]

On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Radka Janekova 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Fedora has to offer these:
> Workstation - https://getfedora.org/en/workstation
> Server - https://getfedora.org/en/server
> Cloud - https://getfedora.org/en/cloud
> Atomic - https://getfedora.org/en/atomic/
> Spins - https://spins.fedoraproject.org
> Labs - https://labs.fedoraproject.org
> ARM - https://arm.fedoraproject.org
>
> Are you sure that it's not in one of the other categories? =)
> I know that ARM has a minimal install, can't see workstation type anywhere
> though.
>

There's the network installer which is fairly minimal

http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/25/Everything/x86_64/iso/


> > and is very useful for people who have the internt with low-bandwidth
> Do you mean like data limit? I doubt that there is anyone with too low
> speed to not download 1GB overnight these days...
>




>
> Best regards,
> Radka
>
> --
> *Radka Janeková*
> *radka.ja...@redhat.com *
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Fa Be  wrote:
>
>> Hello, CentOS and Debian provides installation images in four options,
>> but fedora provides two options:
>>
>> ==
>> All is for AMD64
>> ==
>> --
>> Net install:
>> --
>> * CentOS v7 (1611) = 377M
>> * Debian  v8.7 = 248 MB
>> * Fedora   v25-1.3   = 464 MB
>> 
>> Minimal CD (#1/default/GNOME):
>> 
>> * CentOS v7 (1611) = 633 MB
>> * Debian  v8.7 = 630M
>> * Fedora  = NOT AVAILABLE
>> -
>> Live images (GNOME):
>> -
>> * CentOS v7 (1611) = 1.2 GB
>> * Debian  v8.7 = 1.3G
>> * Fedora   v25-1.3   = 1.3G
>> ---
>> DVD:
>> ---
>> * CentOS = YES
>> * Debian = YES
>> * Fedora  = NO
>> =
>> It will be very beneficial for people if the Fedora project provides the
>> Minimal CD images of Fedora. It can attract more users to Fedora and is
>> very useful for people who have the internt with low-bandwidth. Currently I
>> use Debian due to the lack of Minimal CD of Fedora. Thanks
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Re: Please provide "Minimal CD" of Fedora

[Utkarsh Anand]

>Do you mean like data limit? I doubt that there is anyone with too low
speed to not download 1GB overnight these days...
That used to be the case in India a few months ago, thanks to the pathetic
3G service and super slow broadband. Now, with 4G, things are getting
better.

On 19 February 2017 at 17:45, Radka Janekova  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Fedora has to offer these:
> Workstation - https://getfedora.org/en/workstation
> Server - https://getfedora.org/en/server
> Cloud - https://getfedora.org/en/cloud
> Atomic - https://getfedora.org/en/atomic/
> Spins - https://spins.fedoraproject.org
> Labs - https://labs.fedoraproject.org
> ARM - https://arm.fedoraproject.org
>
> Are you sure that it's not in one of the other categories? =)
> I know that ARM has a minimal install, can't see workstation type anywhere
> though.
>
> > and is very useful for people who have the internt with low-bandwidth
> Do you mean like data limit? I doubt that there is anyone with too low
> speed to not download 1GB overnight these days...
>
>
> Best regards,
> Radka
>
> --
> *Radka Janeková*
> *radka.ja...@redhat.com *
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Fa Be  wrote:
>
>> Hello, CentOS and Debian provides installation images in four options,
>> but fedora provides two options:
>>
>> ==
>> All is for AMD64
>> ==
>> --
>> Net install:
>> --
>> * CentOS v7 (1611) = 377M
>> * Debian  v8.7 = 248 MB
>> * Fedora   v25-1.3   = 464 MB
>> 
>> Minimal CD (#1/default/GNOME):
>> 
>> * CentOS v7 (1611) = 633 MB
>> * Debian  v8.7 = 630M
>> * Fedora  = NOT AVAILABLE
>> -
>> Live images (GNOME):
>> -
>> * CentOS v7 (1611) = 1.2 GB
>> * Debian  v8.7 = 1.3G
>> * Fedora   v25-1.3   = 1.3G
>> ---
>> DVD:
>> ---
>> * CentOS = YES
>> * Debian = YES
>> * Fedora  = NO
>> =
>> It will be very beneficial for people if the Fedora project provides the
>> Minimal CD images of Fedora. It can attract more users to Fedora and is
>> very useful for people who have the internt with low-bandwidth. Currently I
>> use Debian due to the lack of Minimal CD of Fedora. Thanks
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Re: Please provide "Minimal CD" of Fedora

[Radka Janekova]

Hi,

Fedora has to offer these:
Workstation - https://getfedora.org/en/workstation
Server - https://getfedora.org/en/server
Cloud - https://getfedora.org/en/cloud
Atomic - https://getfedora.org/en/atomic/
Spins - https://spins.fedoraproject.org
Labs - https://labs.fedoraproject.org
ARM - https://arm.fedoraproject.org

Are you sure that it's not in one of the other categories? =)
I know that ARM has a minimal install, can't see workstation type anywhere
though.

> and is very useful for people who have the internt with low-bandwidth
Do you mean like data limit? I doubt that there is anyone with too low
speed to not download 1GB overnight these days...


Best regards,
Radka

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On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Fa Be  wrote:

> Hello, CentOS and Debian provides installation images in four options, but
> fedora provides two options:
>
> ==
> All is for AMD64
> ==
> --
> Net install:
> --
> * CentOS v7 (1611) = 377M
> * Debian  v8.7 = 248 MB
> * Fedora   v25-1.3   = 464 MB
> 
> Minimal CD (#1/default/GNOME):
> 
> * CentOS v7 (1611) = 633 MB
> * Debian  v8.7 = 630M
> * Fedora  = NOT AVAILABLE
> -
> Live images (GNOME):
> -
> * CentOS v7 (1611) = 1.2 GB
> * Debian  v8.7 = 1.3G
> * Fedora   v25-1.3   = 1.3G
> ---
> DVD:
> ---
> * CentOS = YES
> * Debian = YES
> * Fedora  = NO
> =
> It will be very beneficial for people if the Fedora project provides the
> Minimal CD images of Fedora. It can attract more users to Fedora and is
> very useful for people who have the internt with low-bandwidth. Currently I
> use Debian due to the lack of Minimal CD of Fedora. Thanks
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