Re: floppy-support being retired (was: Retiring Packages with Broken Dependencies in branched (2017-06-26))

[Till Maas]

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:38:11AM -0500, Gwyn Ciesla wrote:

> I have a bunch of them still.  Don't ask. I'll take floppy-support if no on
> else wants it.

Actually it is not orphaned but the current maintainer did not fix the
package to exclude aarch64 as there is no floppy support there causing a
broken dep. I rebuilt the package now but it will still need a freeze
exception to be included into the F26 Everything repo.

Kind regards
Till
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Re: floppy-support being retired (was: Retiring Packages with Broken Dependencies in branched (2017-06-26))

[Gwyn Ciesla]

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Adam Williamson <
adamw...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> On Wed, 2017-06-28 at 11:03 +0200, Björn Persson wrote:
> > t...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
> > > floppy-support bruno  162
> weeks ago
> >
> > So are floppies now definitely a thing of the past according to Fedora?
>
> If you want them not to be...you can take over the package. We are all
> Fedora. ;) It contains exactly one text file, so maintaining it is
> presumably not the toughest job in the world.
>
> (I saw a pack of floppies for sale in a dollar store the other day,
> made me do a double take...)
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I have a bunch of them still.  Don't ask. I'll take floppy-support if no on
else wants it.

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Re: floppy-support being retired (was: Retiring Packages with Broken Dependencies in branched (2017-06-26))

[Chris Adams]

Once upon a time, Adam Williamson  said:
> (I saw a pack of floppies for sale in a dollar store the other day,
> made me do a double take...)

I still own the ufiformat package in Fedora (for formatting disks in USB
floppy drives).  I haven't actually used it in quite a while, but I did
run across my USB floppy drive recently...

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Re: floppy-support being retired (was: Retiring Packages with Broken Dependencies in branched (2017-06-26))

[Adam Williamson]

On Wed, 2017-06-28 at 11:03 +0200, Björn Persson wrote:
> t...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
> > floppy-support bruno  162 weeks ago 
> 
> So are floppies now definitely a thing of the past according to Fedora?

If you want them not to be...you can take over the package. We are all
Fedora. ;) It contains exactly one text file, so maintaining it is
presumably not the toughest job in the world.

(I saw a pack of floppies for sale in a dollar store the other day,
made me do a double take...)
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Fedora QA Community Monkey
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Re: floppy-support being retired (was: Retiring Packages with Broken Dependencies in branched (2017-06-26))

[Peter Robinson]

>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Björn Persson  wrote:
>>> t...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
 floppy-support bruno  162 weeks ago
>>>
>>> So are floppies now definitely a thing of the past according to Fedora?
>>
>> Well they definitely are a thing of the past, there's no doubt there,
>> the question is whether they are still used :-) I would argue printers
>> are a thing of the past but sadly there's no such thing as a paperless
>> office yet.
>
> How hard do we want to make things with people with legacy technology? While 
> they may not be actively used, they do still exist.

Sure, so do paper tape and punch cards there's a number of issues
but primarily people interested in the technology both maintaining it
and actually testing it to ensure it works. For example we've had a
kernel patch since 2010 that disables the auto loading of the floppy
kernel module so people would have to know manually load it. All this
package does is to actually enable the auto loading of that module so
it works OOTB for those that know to install the package.

Peter
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Re: floppy-support being retired (was: Retiring Packages with Broken Dependencies in branched (2017-06-26))

[Daniel P. Berrange]

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 11:03:09AM +0200, Björn Persson wrote:
> t...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
> > floppy-support bruno  162 weeks ago 
> 
> So are floppies now definitely a thing of the past according to Fedora?

This message is simply Fedora is saying that the package is being retired
because it has broken dependencies, which the maintainer has not fixed in
a timely manner. Perhaps the maintainer doesn't care about the package any
more, or doesn't have time for it, or any number of other reasons. That's
just one maintainer though. If someone else cares about this package,
they could volunteer to become maintainer, and fix the package, at which
point there is no requirement for it to be retired.

Now if the kernel's 'floppy' module is removed from the build, that would
be an explicit statement that floppies are no longer supported, but AFAIK,
all we've done in the kernel is turn off auto-loading of 'floppy' - it can
still be loaded explicitly.

Regards,
Daniel
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Re: floppy-support being retired (was: Retiring Packages with Broken Dependencies in branched (2017-06-26))

[Graham Leggett]

On 28 Jun 2017, at 11:09 AM, Peter Robinson  wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Björn Persson  wrote:
>> t...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
>>> floppy-support bruno  162 weeks ago
>> 
>> So are floppies now definitely a thing of the past according to Fedora?
> 
> Well they definitely are a thing of the past, there's no doubt there,
> the question is whether they are still used :-) I would argue printers
> are a thing of the past but sadly there's no such thing as a paperless
> office yet.

How hard do we want to make things with people with legacy technology? While 
they may not be actively used, they do still exist.

Regards,
Graham
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Re: floppy-support being retired (was: Retiring Packages with Broken Dependencies in branched (2017-06-26))

[Peter Robinson]

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Björn Persson  wrote:
> t...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
>> floppy-support bruno  162 weeks ago
>
> So are floppies now definitely a thing of the past according to Fedora?

Well they definitely are a thing of the past, there's no doubt there,
the question is whether they are still used :-) I would argue printers
are a thing of the past but sadly there's no such thing as a paperless
office yet.

> (A power supply that I recently bought came with an adapter cable for
> powering a diskette drive. :-) )

They can be used for powering other things though too.
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