Re: XO-3 super-o-fficial
What makes you think that this will be a proprietary version of Android? Android is licensed Apache 2.0 with kernel patches as GPLv2[1], although there have been some proprietary apps and customizations on top. I hadn't looked closely enough to see the detailed licensing. But I'd seen the news stories about Google cease-and-desists to the guys making improved free versions. Is a useful fully-free version readily available, as a practical option? (This is mostly off-topic for OLPC, unless there's a plan to try Android on XO hardware, which might be amusing. 20,000 apps and an active developer base might be an attraction, versus the hundred or two Sugar apps.) John ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-3 super-o-fficial
I hadn't looked closely enough to see the detailed licensing. But I'd seen the news stories about Google cease-and-desists to the guys making improved free versions. Is a useful fully-free version readily available, as a practical option? The guy bundled the not free Google applications in the improved Android OS version. The c-a-d was about those applications. Once those were removed it was OK (those apps can be copied over from the unimproved OS though). (This is mostly off-topic for OLPC, unless there's a plan to try Android on XO hardware, which might be amusing. 20,000 apps and an active developer base might be an attraction, versus the hundred or two Sugar apps.) I have already done this but unfortunately I got stuck when I could not make the wireless working neither could I connect my XO to the PC to debug. You know, Android OS solves exactly the same problems Sugar has been created to solve just it is faster, uses less memory, much prettier, has an usable developer environment and has the backing of several hundred millions of dollars and of course several order of magnitude more developers. I have to admit that I do not see any more reasons other than these why OLPC should switch on the long term. (When I mentioned it on the Sugar list of course this idea has not met with much support... :) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Ticket 8104
I download the patch, then run rpm-ivh Name patch but there is a problem with the files: file / etc / NetworkManager / dispatcher.d / mpp.py from install of NetworkManager-0.6.5-0.14.svn3246.olpc3.i386 conflicts with file from package NetworkManager-0.6.5-0.11.svn3246.olpc3.i386 XO NetworkManager: NetworkManager-0.6.5-0.11.svn3246.olpc3.i386 Any ideas ??? Thank you very much!! merry christmas!! Cecilia 2009/12/23 James Cameron qu...@laptop.org On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 17:33, Cecilia Abalde caba...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy wrote: I have a question about the patch in ticket 8104. to which version of networkmanager was done? If you mean the C implementatiaon of nm-dhcp-client.action, this was a patch relative to NetworkManager 0.6.5 ... and the src.rpm is in Martin's directory: http://dev.laptop.org/~martin/public_rpms/8.2-papercuts/NetworkManager-0.6.5-0.14.svn3246.olpc3.src.rpmhttp://dev.laptop.org/%7Emartin/public_rpms/8.2-papercuts/NetworkManager-0.6.5-0.14.svn3246.olpc3.src.rpm You're also welcome to ask this sort of question in the ticket itself. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-3 super-o-fficial
On 24.12.2009, at 12:59, NoiseEHC wrote: You know, Android OS solves exactly the same problems Sugar has been created to solve O RLY? inline: orly_owl.jpeg - Bert - ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-3 super-o-fficial
I'm with Bert. What problems has Android solved that Sugar was created to solve, in your opinion? On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.dewrote: On 24.12.2009, at 12:59, NoiseEHC wrote: You know, Android OS solves exactly the same problems Sugar has been created to solve O RLY? - Bert - ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Fwd: User Manual of CL1B
Can someone point me to a PDF version of the FLOSS manual for the XO-1 ? Thanks, wad Begin forwarded message: From: arthur_hu...@quantatw.com Date: December 24, 2009 1:06:40 AM EST (CA) To: w...@laptop.org Cc: vickey.c...@quantatw.com, queenie.zh...@quantacn.com, e...@laptop.org Subject: RE: User Manual of CL1B Dear John: Sorry to disturb you during your vacation. After checking the link, it seems to be an online manual. I have checked Quanta's system, there is no pdf/doc file of CL1A. So I supposed that there is no pdf/doc file of CL1B Will you provide manual of paper-version for CL1B? If yes, would you please send me the pdf/doc file ASAP? === Arthur Huang こう し めい 黃 志銘 NB2 PM Quanta 886-3-327 2345 ext 12362 China: 610934= here 150 2655 0362 = here -Original Message- From: John Watlington [mailto:w...@laptop.org] Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 7:55 PM To: Arthur Huang (黃志銘) Cc: John Watlington; Vickey Chen (陳麗雯); Queenie Zhang (张巧); Ed McNierney Subject: Re: User Manual of CL1B On Dec 20, 2009, at 10:24 PM, arthur_hu...@quantatw.com wrote: Dear John: As I know, there is no User Manual of CL1A. You were searching under the wrong name. The world outside of Quanta calls the CL1/CL1A the XO. The main version is at: http://en.flossmanuals.net/xo There is an version of this available as an application for the laptop, from: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Help Will you provide User Manual for CL1B? It will be updated accordingly. Regards, John ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-3 super-o-fficial
On Dec 24, 2009, at 6:59 AM, NoiseEHC wrote: ... debug. You know, Android OS solves exactly the same problems Sugar has been created to solve just it is faster, uses less memory, much prettier, has an usable developer environment... Actually, I would argue that an operating system that doesn't natively host its development tools is not appropriate for OLPC's target audience. Cheers, wad ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Fwd: User Manual of CL1B
John Watlington wrote: Can someone point me to a PDF version of the FLOSS manual for the XO-1 ? http://en.flossmanuals.net/publish/PDF/g1g1_2.pdf http://www.lulu.com/content/4439260 (slightly revised, and $18 on paper) But quite honestly these web options are superior: http://laptop.org/manual/ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Support_FAQ#How_do_I_get_started.3F_Where_is_the_manual.3F http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Manuals Thanks, wad Begin forwarded message: From: arthur_hu...@quantatw.com Date: December 24, 2009 1:06:40 AM EST (CA) To: w...@laptop.org Cc: vickey.c...@quantatw.com, queenie.zh...@quantacn.com, e...@laptop.org Subject: RE: User Manual of CL1B Dear John: Sorry to disturb you during your vacation. After checking the link, it seems to be an online manual. I have checked Quanta's system, there is no pdf/doc file of CL1A. So I supposed that there is no pdf/doc file of CL1B Will you provide manual of paper-version for CL1B? If yes, would you please send me the pdf/doc file ASAP? === Arthur Huang ?? ?S NB2 PM Quanta 886-3-327 2345 ext 12362 China: 610934= here 150 2655 0362 = here -Original Message- From: John Watlington [mailto:w...@laptop.org] Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 7:55 PM To: Arthur Huang (?S) Cc: John Watlington; Vickey Chen (??); Queenie Zhang (); Ed McNierney Subject: Re: User Manual of CL1B On Dec 20, 2009, at 10:24 PM, arthur_hu...@quantatw.com wrote: Dear John: As I know, there is no User Manual of CL1A. You were searching under the wrong name. The world outside of Quanta calls the CL1/CL1A the XO. The main version is at: http://en.flossmanuals.net/xo There is an version of this available as an application for the laptop, from: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Help Will you provide User Manual for CL1B? It will be updated accordingly. Regards, John ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-3 super-o-fficial
What: Sugar / Android What is the same: Application complexity: Simple (Activities) / Simple (Activities) Data storage: Ditch filesystem (central Journal) / Ditch filesystem (app specific SQLite storage) UI: Simple (ugly) / Simple (cool) Computer experience of target audience: Low (children) / Even lower (stupid adults included) Application install: .xo bundle / .apk bundle Application isolation: Bitfrost / total app isolation Security: protects users from activities (because they are children) / protects users from applications (because it can cost money to call numbers, and users are ignorant) Programing language: High level (Python) / High level (Java) What Android does not solve: Collaboration: mostly works / Android only collaborates through the web, probably some local Wave server should be included Write: there is / there is only Google Docs Read: there is / everything should be converted to html Open platform: Everything modifiable inplace (just no children do that) / Only scripting on Android Integration with XS: in process / none (that is a BIG problem) What Sugar does not solve: There is no usable development environment, no documentation, few developers. The programming environment is not discoverable by people who are not already pro programmers in Python and Linux. Ugly, slow, eats a ton of memory. Cannot be used by keyboard. Activities cannot work together. See, I did not lost my mind. Merry Christmas! Stanley Sokolow wrote: I'm with Bert. What problems has Android solved that Sugar was created to solve, in your opinion? On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de mailto:b...@freudenbergs.de wrote: On 24.12.2009, at 12:59, NoiseEHC wrote: You know, Android OS solves exactly the same problems Sugar has been created to solve O RLY? - Bert - ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org mailto:Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
