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2003-03-27 Thread Robert Woerle Paceblade/Support
Hi

who is maintaining the XRANR extension ???
i need contact since i want to enhance it 
Cheers Rob
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Re: XFree86 host.def file questions

2003-03-27 Thread Aidan Kehoe
 Ar an 26ú lá de mí 3, scríobh Matthieu Herrb :

  I'll probably merge some of its informaion into the BUILD document in
  the XFree86 tree if people find it useful. 

That would be really useful. Also, defining HasParallelMake causes a obscure
build failure for me on NetBSD 1.6P; it may be worth mentioning this in the
docs so other people don't have to resort to binary search on customized
host.defs :-) . 

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Trident cyberblade Ai1/Xp

2003-03-27 Thread Trent R. Gemmill
I have a Toshiba Satellite 1805-S274 which uses the Trident cyberblade 
Ai1/Xp chip. I am running RH 8.0 (Linux version 2.4.18-14, X11R6 V 4.2).
I have downloaded the latest trident driver from Alan Hawthorn's Xfee86 
page. 

When I play a movie, etc. I get a random (truely!, I've tried exactly the 
same thing 0 - 6 times to get a crash) hard locking of the machine 
requiring a complete system reset. It always happens when I initiallystart 
playing a movie. The screen immediately turns an odd checkered pattern: 
xterm windows and movie windows are still there as a different kind of 
striped plaid than the desktop. 

Whenever I play a movie I get a one-pixel blue line running from theupper 
left corner of the image to the right side of the screen and underneath 
that a 2nd 1-pixel blue line which turns brown and ends before the 
hitting right side. I often also get a vertical blue line running along 
the left edge of the image going from top to bottom (1 pixel in width). 
The lines I can live with.

This happens under KDE or Gnome; in 16, 24 or 32 bit res (never tried 8); 
using mplayer, xine or realplayer.  I could only find one helpful 
reference to this on a now-defunct Xfree list:
http://www.spinics.net/lists/xf-xpert/msg06754.html
and have not seen any fixes.

Is their any solution to this? I must use this laptop for animated 
presentations and un-accelerated video is too slow. Is thir any way I can 
help with this? Altho I'm a bear of little c-programming ability.

Trent

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Re: notes on SonicBlue (S3) and S3TC

2003-03-27 Thread Alex Deucher
Well, that's good.  Now if only they would reply to my
queries...perhaps non-electronic mail is better...

Thanks,

Alex

--- Kevin Brosius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I don't have any terribly recent info, but s3graphics was still under
 the Via umbrella last time I checked.  They had docs available as
 long
 as you were willing to sign an NDA.  The NDA allows source code
 release,
 so is compatible with XFree86 development.
 
 -- 
 Kevin
 
 
 Alex Deucher wrote:
  
  
  what's the status of S3/sonicblue/VIA?  who owns what?  I'd really
 like
  to get savage mx/ix specs, but I fear that possiblity is slipping
 away
  :(
  
  Alex
  
  --- Alexander Stohr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Hmm, SonicBlue (aka known as S3) has claimed
   bankrupcy (Chapter 11) recently, so its a changing
   situation with S3TC compression right now -
   who will ever buy that patent and charge the world
   for the next 70 years?
  
   Of course the prefered solution would be that some
   interested circles buy it as a group and then open
   that technology for offering to the world for free.
  
   -Alex.
  
  
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Re: Fontcache extension

2003-03-27 Thread ISHIKAWA Mutsumi
Hi,

 In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   Juliusz Chroboczek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have the following problems with the fontcache extension:
 
   - it is linked into the core server;
   - it exposes to client-side stuff that client-side has no business
 knowing about;
   - it is used by no client;
   - it manages data structures that only the X-TT backend uses.

 In the light of the above, I would like to request that the X-TT
 developers should consider removing the fontcache extension, and
 migrating the code into the X-TT core.  This would ensure that
 fontcache is restricted to exported ABIs, which would make my current
 work of streamlining fontlib somewhat easier.

 Yamauchi-san takes over the X-TT development, so this mail is
fowarded to him.

 http://x-tt.sourceforge.jp/

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Re: notes on SonicBlue (S3) and S3TC

2003-03-27 Thread Tim Roberts
On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 19:38:35 -0500, Kevin Brosius wrote:

I don't have any terribly recent info, but s3graphics was still under
the Via umbrella last time I checked.  They had docs available as long
as you were willing to sign an NDA.  The NDA allows source code release,
so is compatible with XFree86 development.

S3 Graphics is still a subsidiary of VIA.

Note, however, that VIA seems to have moved beyond the Savages.  Their latest 
motherboards come with a brand-new graphics architecture they call Castle 
Rock.  Thus, I strongly suspect the Savages are now orphans.

 --- Alexander Stohr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hmm, SonicBlue (aka known as S3) has claimed
  bankrupcy (Chapter 11) recently, so its a changing
  situation with S3TC compression right now -

It is likely that the compression technology went with the graphics group to 
VIA, and not to SonicBlue.

  who will ever buy that patent and charge the world
  for the next 70 years?

A U.S. Patent is only good for 17 or 21 years, not 70 years.

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Re: Trident cyberblade Ai1/Xp

2003-03-27 Thread Olivier Fourdan
I have the exact same problems with another Toshiba laptop with the same
video card.

I did try to fix the problem by hacking the driver w/out success... Too
bad.

Cheers,
Olivier.

On Thu, 2003-03-27 at 14:53, Trent R. Gemmill wrote:
 I have a Toshiba Satellite 1805-S274 which uses the Trident cyberblade 
 Ai1/Xp chip. I am running RH 8.0 (Linux version 2.4.18-14, X11R6 V 4.2).
 I have downloaded the latest trident driver from Alan Hawthorn's Xfee86 
 page. 
 
 When I play a movie, etc. I get a random (truely!, I've tried exactly the 
 same thing 0 - 6 times to get a crash) hard locking of the machine 
 requiring a complete system reset. It always happens when I initiallystart 
 playing a movie. The screen immediately turns an odd checkered pattern: 
 xterm windows and movie windows are still there as a different kind of 
 striped plaid than the desktop. 
 
 Whenever I play a movie I get a one-pixel blue line running from theupper 
 left corner of the image to the right side of the screen and underneath 
 that a 2nd 1-pixel blue line which turns brown and ends before the 
 hitting right side. I often also get a vertical blue line running along 
 the left edge of the image going from top to bottom (1 pixel in width). 
 The lines I can live with.
 
 This happens under KDE or Gnome; in 16, 24 or 32 bit res (never tried 8); 
 using mplayer, xine or realplayer.  I could only find one helpful 
 reference to this on a now-defunct Xfree list:
 http://www.spinics.net/lists/xf-xpert/msg06754.html
 and have not seen any fixes.
 
 Is their any solution to this? I must use this laptop for animated 
 presentations and un-accelerated video is too slow. Is thir any way I can 
 help with this? Altho I'm a bear of little c-programming ability.
 
 Trent
 
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Re: notes on SonicBlue (S3) and S3TC

2003-03-27 Thread Alex Deucher
Do you think I could still get savage mx/ix docs?  perhaps if the old
stuff is orphaned, they will lift the NDAs on the docs? not likey I
suspect.  I really want to finish duoview support.  At this point I
think I might be better off just onloading my savage laptop and getting
a laptop with an ati or some more easily contacted chip vendor...

Alex

--- Tim Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 19:38:35 -0500, Kevin Brosius wrote:
 
 I don't have any terribly recent info, but s3graphics was still
 under
 the Via umbrella last time I checked.  They had docs available as
 long
 as you were willing to sign an NDA.  The NDA allows source code
 release,
 so is compatible with XFree86 development.
 
 S3 Graphics is still a subsidiary of VIA.
 
 Note, however, that VIA seems to have moved beyond the Savages. 
 Their latest 
 motherboards come with a brand-new graphics architecture they call
 Castle 
 Rock.  Thus, I strongly suspect the Savages are now orphans.
 
  --- Alexander Stohr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Hmm, SonicBlue (aka known as S3) has claimed
   bankrupcy (Chapter 11) recently, so its a changing
   situation with S3TC compression right now -
 
 It is likely that the compression technology went with the graphics
 group to 
 VIA, and not to SonicBlue.
 
   who will ever buy that patent and charge the world
   for the next 70 years?
 
 A U.S. Patent is only good for 17 or 21 years, not 70 years.
 
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Re: X-Server segfault

2003-03-27 Thread Mark Vojkovich
   I believe this can only happen if your font render is broken.
These are fixed fonts.  It should be impossible that there is no
data in those pointers. 

   Is this recent source code?  There have been bugs of this sort
fixed in the font renderers not long before 4.3.  Though maybe
more exist.  If this is easily reproducible I suspect you'll
find that it only happens with the freetype or xtt renders.


Mark.

On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, Gerd Knorr wrote:

   Hi,
 
 The X-Server crashes with a segfault due to a NULL pointer dereference,
 perfectly reproducable with a certain X client (mtt -- motif teletext
 decoder).  Stacktrace below.  Setting Option no_accel workarounds
 this.  Hardware is a i386 machine with a Matrox G200.  Anyone has a
 quick idea what this might be?
 
 cu,
 
   Gerd
 
 ==[ cut here ]==
 (gdb) c
 Continuing.
 
 Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
 0x0825de38 in DrawTETextScanlineWidth12 (base=0x4098, glyphp=0x883aab0,
 line=0, width=12, glyphwidth=12) at xaaTEGlyph.c:868
 868 bits |= SHIFT_L(glyphp[1][line],12);
 (gdb) bt
 #0  0x0825de38 in DrawTETextScanlineWidth12 (base=0x4098,
 glyphp=0x883aab0, line=0, width=12, glyphwidth=12) at xaaTEGlyph.c:868
 #1  0x0825cfa3 in XAATEGlyphRendererScanlineLSBFirst (pScrn=0x881e8e0, x=1,
 y=91, w=12, h=19, skipleft=0, startline=1, glyphs=0x883aab0,
 glyphWidth=12, fg=0, bg=0, rop=12, planemask=0) at xaaTEGlyph.c:402
 #2  0x0823e611 in XAAGlyphBltTEColorExpansion (pScrn=0x881e8e0, xInit=1,
 yInit=142837096, font=0x0, fg=0, bg=-1, rop=3, planemask=4294967295,
 cclip=0x8945c7c, nglyph=1, gBase=0x0, ppci=0x883899c) at xaaTEText.c:281
 #3  0x0823e297 in XAAPolyText16TEColorExpansion (pDraw=0x8945c50,
 pGC=0x893f238, x=0, y=20, count=1, chars=0x893bf5b) at xaaTEText.c:97
 #4  0x0842fe9e in miSpritePolyText16 (pDrawable=0x8945c50, pGC=0x893f238, x=0,
 y=20, count=1, chars=0x893bf5b) at misprite.c:1848
 #5  0x08352206 in doPolyText (client=0x88ad5a0, c=0xbfffed00)
 at dixfonts.c:1392
 #6  0x083524ed in PolyText (client=0x88ad5a0, pDraw=0x0, pGC=0x0, pElt=0x0,
 endReq=0x0, xorg=0, yorg=0, reqType=142846640, did=0) at dixfonts.c:1473
 #7  0x0833548c in ProcPolyText (client=0x88ad5a0) at dispatch.c:2356
 #8  0x083314ca in Dispatch () at dispatch.c:450
 #9  0x08343271 in main (argc=2, argv=0xb244, envp=0xb250) at main.c:435
 #10 0x4005e8ae in __libc_start_main () from /lib/libc.so.6
 (gdb) print line
 $1 = 0
 (gdb) print glyph
 No symbol glyph in current context.
 (gdb) print glyphp
 $2 = (unsigned int **) 0x883aab0
 (gdb) print glyphp[0]
 $3 = (unsigned int *) 0x0
 (gdb) print glyphp[1]
 $4 = (unsigned int *) 0x0
 (gdb)
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Re: XFree86 host.def file questions

2003-03-27 Thread Kendall Bennett
David Dawes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I guess you must have read something to even know about the existence
 of a host.def file.  I presume that it was misleading, and so should
 be fixed.

Yes, I have the file that I printed out sitting on my desk! As it turns 
out, it appears to be rather outdated and antiquated and I am not sure 
exactly where I found it now. 

 I think that http://www.xfree86.org/current/BUILD.html is a
 reasonable introduction to building XFree86, but suggestions for
 improving that document are most welcome.  

Yes, that version of the document is a *lot* better than the version I 
found, and looks like it was udpated recently.

The key problem I think I have isolated here is simply that this document 
is nowhere to be found easily. It is buried *deep* within the XFree86 
source tree (xc/programs/Xserver/hw/docs) so people need to know to get 
there first to find it, and it is not linked anywhere on the primary 
XFree86 web site.

To solve this problem it would be great if someone added a new section to 
the primary XFree86 web site titled something like 'Building XFree86 for 
the first time'. It could have a paragraph describing how easy it is to 
build XFree86, and then have a link to the BUILD.html file. If that was 
available when I started building it again a few months back I think it 
would have saved me a lot of time ;-)

 for documentation in general is is http://www.xfree86.org/current/,
 which is an index of the online documentation that we have available
 for the most recent release.

Right, another page I could not find very easily! This is another page 
that I think should be made clearly visible via a link on the main 
XFree86.org home page. I am scanning the docs now to see what I have been 
missing ;-)

 I wish there was as much information available when I got started. :-)

I wish I knew the information was available! Seriously ;-)

 I can understand that you're pretty busy and have a lot to do.  If
 the typical would-be developer is put off by not being able to
 build within 10 minutes of unpacking, then they're probably not
 going to make much progress with any real development challenges.
 I'll spare everyone my when I was a lad stories :-) 

Actually I disagree. Developers who are looking for a solution and can't 
get stuff going quickly, will go look for another solution. If I can get 
it going, I will spend more time investigating the solution as then I 
know the project is well polished and worth my time investigating.

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Re: XFree86 host.def file questions

2003-03-27 Thread Alan Hourihane
On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 04:01:56PM -0800, Kendall Bennett wrote:
 Hi Again,
 
   I think that http://www.xfree86.org/current/BUILD.html is a
   reasonable introduction to building XFree86, but suggestions for
   improving that document are most welcome.  
 
 Going through the current BUILD.html file again I see that things are a 
 lot clearer now. However one thing that needs to be explained is the 
 section that says 'When the build is finished, you should check the 
 World.log file to see if there were any problems'. Fair enough. Well the 
 first time a user attemps to do exactly that, they will bring it up in 
 their favorite editor and immediately say to themselves 'How the hell do 
 I know if there is an error!'. The next obvious idea is to grep for 
 'error', but that also is not good because there are lots of files with 
 'error' in the filename!
 
 As I have now found out, there are a few simple grep commands that can be 
 used to grep the World.log file and determine if any errors occurred. It 
 would be really nice if the BUILD file had a description of a good grep 
 command and how it can be used to check for errors. That would have saved 
 me a lot of time also tracking down the weird '@Aliases' build problem I 
 was having ;-)

Kendall,

Your obviously making good progress on getting things going, but the
problems your hitting are kind of hidden to the die hard developers.

Your making observations on how some of the documentation is deficient.
What I would recommend you doing is changing the documentation and submitting
a patch to improve it rather than relying on others to update it. That
would be a great bonus!

Alan.
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Re: XFree86 host.def file questions

2003-03-27 Thread Thomas Dickey
On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 04:01:56PM -0800, Kendall Bennett wrote:
 Hi Again,
 
   I think that http://www.xfree86.org/current/BUILD.html is a
   reasonable introduction to building XFree86, but suggestions for
   improving that document are most welcome.  
 
 Going through the current BUILD.html file again I see that things are a 
 lot clearer now. However one thing that needs to be explained is the 
 section that says 'When the build is finished, you should check the 
 World.log file to see if there were any problems'. Fair enough. Well the 
 first time a user attemps to do exactly that, they will bring it up in 
 their favorite editor and immediately say to themselves 'How the hell do 
 I know if there is an error!'. The next obvious idea is to grep for 
 'error', but that also is not good because there are lots of files with 
 'error' in the filename!

actually Error is what I look for (depends on the compiler and related
utilities).

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Re: XFree86 host.def file questions

2003-03-27 Thread Kendall Bennett
Alan Hourihane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Your obviously making good progress on getting things going, but the
 problems your hitting are kind of hidden to the die hard developers.

Yep, a typical problem ;-)

 Your making observations on how some of the documentation is
 deficient. What I would recommend you doing is changing the
 documentation and submitting a patch to improve it rather than
 relying on others to update it. That would be a great bonus! 

I would be happy to make updates to the BUILD file and submit the 
improvements back (who would I submit my patches to?). I will try to 
spend some time tomorrow doing that.

With that said, can someone recommend the best 'grep' command to use to 
determine if there are any errors in the World.log file?

Finally some of the issues I have had are simply that the good 
documentation is too buried. My suggestions to fix this require updates 
to the XFree86.org web site, something I can't do. I would be happy to 
suggest the text that could be added to the web site, if someone can 
direct me to the webmaster who can make the changes on the real web site.

Regards,

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Re: Trident cyberblade Ai1/Xp

2003-03-27 Thread Trent R. Gemmill
Thamks for the reply! I do wonder if it's something specific to Toshiba or 
to the cyberblade. But at least I know their aren't any fixes yet.

Trent

On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 09:26:19PM +0100, Olivier Fourdan wrote:
 I have the exact same problems with another Toshiba laptop with the same
 video card.
 
 I did try to fix the problem by hacking the driver w/out success... Too
 bad.
 
 Cheers,
 Olivier.
 
 On Thu, 2003-03-27 at 14:53, Trent R. Gemmill wrote:
  I have a Toshiba Satellite 1805-S274 which uses the Trident cyberblade 
  Ai1/Xp chip. I am running RH 8.0 (Linux version 2.4.18-14, X11R6 V 4.2).
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Re: XFree86 host.def file questions

2003-03-27 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Fre, 2003-03-28 at 02:44, Kendall Bennett wrote:
 
 With that said, can someone recommend the best 'grep' command to use to 
 determine if there are any errors in the World.log file?

I use grep '\*\*\*' to catch the make errors.


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Re: notes on SonicBlue (S3) and S3TC

2003-03-27 Thread Jon Leech
On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 01:48:53PM +0100, Alexander Stohr wrote:
 Hmm, SonicBlue (aka known as S3) has claimed
 bankrupcy (Chapter 11) recently, so its a changing
 situation with S3TC compression right now -
 who will ever buy that patent and charge the world
 for the next 70 years?

I am fairly sure the S3TC patent is owned by S3 Graphics, not
SonicBlue.
Jon
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