Re: [Development] QUIP 12: Code of Conduct
On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 3:11 PM Jason H wrote: > Lydia, > > First, let me say I've stated my support of the KDE CoC. Thank you for your > effort in it. > > But then you make a statement in your post script that demonstrates exactly > what I'm talking about. You stated "some emails in this thread sadly make > me see part of the project in a different light. I fear I'm not the only > one."? Would you say the project has created fear in you and this has somehow > "harmed" the project in some way? Who were these people that changed your > mind? We need to identify these people and ban them because they are not > casting the widest inclusive and protective audience and anything less than > that is harm... Let the witch hunt begin... right? Sorry. I seem to have been misunderstood here. As others have said at the core a Code of Conduct should not be about banning anyone. That's a measure of very last resort. A lot of work should be put in before that happens. Talking, making aware of an issue, mediation, bringing in a neutral third party, separating the parties and a lot of other things are possible before that to address a problem. A Code of Conduct should be as much about stating what a community wants to be as about what it doesn't want. I think about it as a statement of intent that broadcasts values to the rest of the world and gets shared understanding in a community. Some communities then decide to add rules and punishments for violations. Other decide to hand that over to a committee or something similar. There are pros and cons to either. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher KDE e.V. Board of Directors http://kde.org - http://open-advice.org ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] QUIP 12: Code of Conduct
On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 4:53 AM Thiago Macieira wrote: > Hi Lydia > > Thanks for chiming in. > > Note I asked about malicious request to the CWG, not legitimate ones. I mean > baseless accusations, based on no actual fact, just attempts to smear someone > or generate useless expediture of people's time. Has that happened, at all? If > so, how long did the committee spend addressing it? How much effort was put > into it? Maybe 2 or 3 times by people not part of the broadly construed core community on forums like reddit etc. Nothing that I'm aware of ever ended up in any official channel or took any noteworthy amount of time from anyone. > Maybe we can also expand to accusations that, though not malicious, were found > not to be under the CoC's purview, like asking someone to be removed due to > some action on their personal time. Asking? Maybe 1 or 2 times. (Sorry for not being super specific. There might be things I'm simply forgetting since it's been 10 years and there might be things that were not brought up to the whole committee but simply mentioned in a chat with one member of the group to get some input and guidance about how to handle a situation that was not further escalated because the problem was solved with that.) Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher KDE e.V. Board of Directors http://kde.org - http://open-advice.org ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] QUIP 12: Code of Conduct
On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 10:45 PM Thiago Macieira wrote: > And I'm pretty sure the KDE Community WG can easily compile a list of times > that they were maliciously asked to look into situations and how much time it > took them to give it the attention it was due. I don't have an exact number but less than 10. And we could always deal with it very quickly thanks to some common sense and good knowledge of the situation and people involved. No big deal. (For those who don't know me: I'm one of the people who wrote KDE's CoC and has been a member of it's community working group since then. I'm also the current president of the non-profit behind KDE.) If you have further questions about KDE's Code of Conduct please let me know. I'm happy to answer them. Cheers Lydia PS: As someone on the fringes of the Qt Project some emails in this thread sadly make me see part of the project in a different light. I fear I'm not the only one. -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher KDE e.V. Board of Directors http://kde.org - http://open-advice.org ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] QtCS2017 Qt Project Code of Conduct Session Notes
On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Andy Nichols <andy.nich...@qt.io> wrote: > We also will take inspiration from our sister project KDE, who already has a > Code of conduct. If you want to have a chat about KDE's code of conduct feel free to reach out to me. I'm one of the people who drafted it and am happy to answer questions. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher President, KDE e.V. http://kde.org - http://open-advice.org ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
