Re: Sharing Podcasts with those without connectivity ) was Re:[DDN]Webheads and the Digital Divide Network)

2005-05-15 Thread Amos Anyimadu
Andy,

Can you expand on the technical as well as popular implications of
mobcasting?

I see that the new nokia N series phone is being referred to as a pod
killer. I think there is  a lot of room for coexistence. Even in small
towns in a poor country like Ghana it is not impossible to find phones
which can play mp3 or AAC with storage of about 6t4m.

amos


Actually, this is one of the things I hope to do with
mobcasting: to allow people in the south to be able to record and listen
to
online podcasts on their mobile phones. I'm working to put together the
specs for the software, then plan to recruit some programmers to tackle
it.
Then, hopefully it would be possible to host Mobcaster software on a
local
server anywhere in the world and let locals use their phones to access
podcasts 


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Re: Sharing Podcasts with those without connectivity ) was Re:[DDN]Webheads and the Digital Divide Network)

2005-05-13 Thread Janet Feldman
Dear Andy, Pam, and All,

Hello and look forward to blogs from Budapest!  What you propose below is
incredibly exciting to me too, as we use mobile phones in our projects and
are always looking for new, lower-tech, and cheaper ways to create and
disseminate info. Please keep us informed about these developments, Andy,
and in the meantime, Pam, you might want to hook up with orgs like
Developing Countries Farm Radio Network (focus on health and nutrition),
WorldSpace, First Voice International, and AMARC, as you might find
programs there for radio listening in particular, and perhaps contacts with
radio stations already in existence (ie w/whom you might be able to link
for pogrammatic content more easily).

I'll be delighted to discuss some ideas w/you individually too, as we have
some of the same challenges and needs in Kenya, and are both searching for
solutions and creating some ourselves. Many thanks and all best wishes, and
here's to casting our lots with pods for mobs, Janet  (Feldman,
[EMAIL PROTECTED])

Andy wrote: hi Pam... Actually, this is one of the things I hope to do with
mobcasting: to allow people in the south to be able to record and listen to
online podcasts on their mobile phones. I'm working to put together the
specs for the software, then plan to recruit some programmers to tackle it.
Then, hopefully it would be possible to host Mobcaster software on a local
server anywhere in the world and let locals use their phones to access
podcasts 








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Re: Sharing Podcasts with those without connectivity )was Re: [DDN] Webheads and the Digital Divide Network)

2005-05-10 Thread Pamela McLean
Ross Gardler wrote::
Ross Gardler wrote:
...Remember that bandwidth need not be a live Internet connection

It would be great if someone with a media bent could create a set of
dramatisations on key subjects (such as HIV/AIDS) in an accessible form.
Something along the lines of the BBC World Serice WestWay series
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/arts/features/westway/index.shtml )
They get around the problem of being understandable by having lots of
characters that are not native English speakers. Hence they speak in
understandable ways.
DOes anyone know a drama or media student looking for a final year
project to do?
Ross - you have got me thinking.
Community radio has always been part of our plan - but  for community 
radio you need a license... (and our problems there are another story.)

We want to speak to people - preferably in Yoruba. We have played with 
ideas of audio cassettes.We even considered getting a PA system to use 
on market days
But all of these ideas were too extravagant in time and/or money for our 
meager resources - so the spoken word side of things has been on hold.

Maybe its time to start thinking  again. As you say -  no need for 
computers - a much cheaper way to disseminate information...

I haven't followed the threads on podcasting - but gather its  an easily 
accessible way of generating  and sharing the spoken word. It could be a 
good supplement to the other work of our InfoCentre...

If any media students do think of following up Ross's idea please also 
consider the farm radio scripts that are available - I forget the source 
but perhaps other DDN members know - if not I could hunt around.

I have no time to follow through on this at the moment for Ago-Are - but 
it's back bubbling in my mind again - so thanks Ross for bringing 
forward again the issue of the spoken word and alternative  strategies 
for disseminating it.

Pam
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Sharing Podcasts with those without connectivity )was Re: [DDN] Webheads and the Digital Divide Network)

2005-05-10 Thread Ross Gardler
Pamela McLean wrote:
Ross Gardler wrote:
Remember that bandwidth need not be a live Internet connection. I 
recently passed a Compact Flash containing a number of key 
presentations from IT Conversations to a colleague in rural Guyana.

In his village he doesn't even have a computer, let alone an Internet 
connection. Yet that lack of bandwidth does not limit him with 
podcasting, he'll be using an MP3 player to listen to the podcasts and 
will be using what he learns from them to convince the village 
community that they need an IT Centre.

Ross
Would this information be appropriate to share with the community in 
Ago-Are - to give them a clearer vision of the potential of their 
InfoCentre?
The particular info I was mentioning is all IT related stuff. So I doubt
that it will be applicabe to the Ago-Are community. However, as I
mention in a subsequent mail there should be other items that are more
applicabe to the community in Ago-Are.
They do have computers (not very high spec but some do include sound).
Could the info go to them on a CD?.
Yes
What are the accents like?  How fast do the contributors speak? i.e. How 
well must my Ago-Are people understand English to make sense of it? (The 
people I have in mind to listen can understand my English - but not if I 
speak too fast - i.e my usual rate...).
This is not an issue for Guyana (English speaking). For something like
the BBC West Way series it is designed for non-english speakers.
It would be great if someone with a media bent could create a set of
dramatisations on key subjects (such as HIV/AIDS) in an accessible form.
Something along the lines of the BBC World Serice WestWay series
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/arts/features/westway/index.shtml )
They get around the problem of being understandable by having lots of
characters that are not native English speakers. Hence they speak in
understandable ways.
DOes anyone know a drama or media student looking for a final year
project to do?
By the way does this renewed activity mean that the floods have gone 
down and life is getting a little easier there in Guyana now - I hope 
so..
To an extent. The floods have gone, but the damage is still being repaired.
Ross
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Re: Sharing Podcasts with those without connectivity )was Re: [DDN]Webheads and the Digital Divide Network)

2005-05-10 Thread acarvin
hi Pam... Actually, this is one of the things I hope to do with mobcasting: to 
allow people in the south to be able to record and listen to online podcasts on 
their mobile phones. I'm working to put together the specs for the software, 
then plan to recruit some programmers to tackle it. Then, hopefully it would be 
possible to host Mobcaster software on a local server anywhere in the world and 
let locals use their phones to access podcasts 

andy
en route to budapest

Andy Carvin
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-Original Message-
From: Pamela McLean [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Sharing Podcasts with those without connectivity )was Re: 
[DDN]Webheads and the Digital Divide Network)

Ross Gardler wrote::

 Ross Gardler wrote:

 ...Remember that bandwidth need not be a live Internet connection

 It would be great if someone with a media bent could create a set of
 dramatisations on key subjects (such as HIV/AIDS) in an accessible form.
 Something along the lines of the BBC World Serice WestWay series
 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/arts/features/westway/index.shtml )

 They get around the problem of being understandable by having lots of
 characters that are not native English speakers. Hence they speak in
 understandable ways.

 DOes anyone know a drama or media student looking for a final year
 project to do?

Ross - you have got me thinking.

Community radio has always been part of our plan - but  for community 
radio you need a license... (and our problems there are another story.)

We want to speak to people - preferably in Yoruba. We have played with 
ideas of audio cassettes.We even considered getting a PA system to use 
on market days
But all of these ideas were too extravagant in time and/or money for our 
meager resources - so the spoken word side of things has been on hold.

Maybe its time to start thinking  again. As you say -  no need for 
computers - a much cheaper way to disseminate information...

I haven't followed the threads on podcasting - but gather its  an easily 
accessible way of generating  and sharing the spoken word. It could be a 
good supplement to the other work of our InfoCentre...

If any media students do think of following up Ross's idea please also 
consider the farm radio scripts that are available - I forget the source 
but perhaps other DDN members know - if not I could hunt around.

I have no time to follow through on this at the moment for Ago-Are - but 
it's back bubbling in my mind again - so thanks Ross for bringing 
forward again the issue of the spoken word and alternative  strategies 
for disseminating it.

Pam
Pamela McLean
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Re: [DDN] Webheads and the Digital Divide Network,

2005-05-09 Thread Taran Rampersad
Snipped some stuff...

John Hibbs wrote:

 Here's my caveat. The one area that I think needs improvement is how
 both groups can get more attention?

 My guess is that podcasting, satellite radio, community radio and the
 innovative spirits that are found in both groups are the main
 ingredients for wide publicity - and more money, accelerated results.
 Yet, both groups seem satisfied to reach a few hundred in their real
 time events and a few thousand in their electronic circulations.

OK, I have only one problem with this, really: Podcasting. Note - that
is not to say that I disagree with *mobcasting*. Podcasting, by itself,
isn't something I deem very important as it is and as it is used. Aside
from marketing hype... podcasting has limited value to the vast majority
of users of the internet. Audio blogging is for people who have bandwidth.

Now - *mobcasting*, which our own Andy Carvin came up with, is something
I see quite useful in the context of many things. The mobcasting idea
has suffered, I think, because of the hubris of *podcasting*. Mobcasting
allows real time event *discussion*, and I know that Andy is thinking of
ways to make it more useful in these regards.

Satellite radio and community radio - definitely. I'd also like to toss
in HAM radio, and that's something I'd like to see added into
'mobcasting' mainly because it fits inline with the poorly documented
(my fault) concept of the Alert Retrieval Cache's next level; ARCTX.
Once I get settled somewhere on the planet, I plan to get a HAM license
to work on such things in a sensible manner.


 I wish they would give more thought on how to reach millions.

The way to reach millions is actually already happening through the
modern oracles: Search engines. Because of the great design of the DDN
site, as well as the rapid evolution of it, DDN has become a model for
reaching millions because it caters to the lowest common denominator on
the internet. The user of search engines.


 Unfortunately, the recipe that will generate same has yet to be
 formulated -- much less baked. Ideas welcome.

Many people are busy looking for 'higher tech' solutions. I've seen it
in ideas for electronic meetings for WSIS, I see it in doing things that
pay the bills (commercially related stuff), and I've seen it in
resistant communities. In the Nuclear Propulsion program, we used to
call it 'Nuking a problem' - where instead of finding the best solution,
people found the most acronym-filled, largest amount of equations, and
so on.

Catering to the lowest common denominator is what this is really about.

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Re: [DDN] Webheads and the Digital Divide Network,

2005-05-09 Thread Andy Carvin
One of the things I find interesting about the history of podcasting is 
that it was developed, in part, as a way for people with limited 
bandwidth to download audio. Audio blogging isn't new by any means; lots 
of us have been doing it for years. The thing that made podcasting kick 
into high gear was software that could be set to automatically download 
audio blogs. That way, you could leave on your computer, go about your 
business, and have it download new audio content, perhaps over the 
course of the night. Of course, podcasting has become the hip phenom it 
is because of its association with iPods, but in reality, you could just 
think of it as a simple way to download big files in the middle of the 
night for use on your desktop.

So in theory, podcasting _software_ could be a great tool for helping 
folks with limited bandwidth access large files when they're not 
actively using the computer. One of the problems is that many podcasts 
are becoming huge files, tens of megs in size, which are prohibitively 
large for low-bandwidth users.

Additionally, there's a strong push to _professionalize_ podcasting. In 
other words, rather than having any Joe or Jane Shmo record a short 
audio blog with free, easy to use tools, more people are trying to 
imitate the Adam Currys of the world by investing in pre-amps, studio 
mics, sound absorption blankets, etc. While all of these bells and 
whistles make your podcasts sounds more professional, it also raises the 
bar qualitatively, as well as raising expections of the public at large 
that podcasts should sound like broadcast radio. It's an audio quality 
arms race in which only the best-sounding podcasters survive and the 
rest of us using our computer's internal mic get left behind, and that's 
de-democratizing the whole medium.

That's why I'm glad Chris Lydon and his team are doing Open Source Radio 
- they're using mobcasting (in this context, public contributions via 
telephone) and are unabashedly happy to mix in content that's 
low-quality from a technical/broadcasting point of view. Even though the 
sound quality will leave a lot to be desired, it puts the power of 
podcasting back into the hands of the people

ac
Taran Rampersad wrote:
Snipped some stuff...
John Hibbs wrote:

Here's my caveat. The one area that I think needs improvement is how
both groups can get more attention?
My guess is that podcasting, satellite radio, community radio and the
innovative spirits that are found in both groups are the main
ingredients for wide publicity - and more money, accelerated results.
Yet, both groups seem satisfied to reach a few hundred in their real
time events and a few thousand in their electronic circulations.

OK, I have only one problem with this, really: Podcasting. Note - that
is not to say that I disagree with *mobcasting*. Podcasting, by itself,
isn't something I deem very important as it is and as it is used. Aside
from marketing hype... podcasting has limited value to the vast majority
of users of the internet. Audio blogging is for people who have bandwidth.
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Re: [DDN] Webheads and the Digital Divide Network,

2005-05-09 Thread Dan Bassill
A few weeks ago Andy reported that enrollment had reached over 6,000 in the
DDN list.  However, in subsequent conversations we all agreed that far fewer
than that were actually active in using the DDN and similar sites to learn,
collaborate and bring solution to some of the problems that we write about
on a regular basis.

John mentioned the Web Heads in his 5/7 message.  I was part of a 4-hour web
heads meeting yesterday (Sunday, 5/8) where 39 people from  from countries
like Australia, China, Japan, Argentina, Brazil, Germany, Portugal, Canada,
Belarus, and the USA did workshops and shared ideas that were intended to
help kids be more successful in school and in jobs/careers.

You can view the archive of these workshops at www.alado.net/econference and
see the schedule of workshops planned for the rest of this week.  You can
also see that there is a face to face Tutor/Mentor Leadership Conference on
Friday May 12 and 13, then another eConference, hosted by IUPUI on May 23.

These conferences are intended to draw people together to learn, network,
and collaborate on building better systems to help kids born in poverty be
in jobs/careers by age 25.

I congratulate the Web Heads and the Digital Workforce Society at City
Colleges of Chicago for taking the lead to create and host this eConference
in collaboration with the Tutor/Mentor Connection and encourage others on
the DDN list to move from reading the messages, to participating in the
workshop and collaborating where that makes sense.

A friend of mine in Chicago, TV newsperson Merri Dee, gave me this quote
many years ago.  If it is to be, it is up to me.

The Internet gives that term much more power.  I hope that many of you will
join us on line, or this weekend at the Chicago conference, which will be
held at the Northwestern University Law School. The web site is
www.tutormentorconference.bigstep.com.  Registration is still open and
scholarships and group rates are still available.

Daniel F. Bassill
Tutor/Mentor Connection
800 W. Huron
Chicago, Il. 60622


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Re: [DDN] Webheads and the Digital Divide Network,

2005-05-09 Thread John Hibbs
At 10:25 AM -0400 5/9/05, Andy Carvin wrote:
That's why I'm glad Chris Lydon and his team are doing Open Source 
Radio - they're using mobcasting (in this context, public 
contributions via telephone) and are unabashedly happy to mix in 
content that's low-quality from a technical/broadcasting point of 
view. Even though the sound quality will leave a lot to be desired, 
it puts the power of podcasting back into the hands of the people
My suspicion, for our purposes, is that terrific two or three minute 
thoughtful pieces recorded over the telephone will find a lot more 
ears than will a lesser piece with all bells and whistles attached.

What I visualize is a serious, year-long undertaking which I call 
Connecting the Dots. As I visualize it, there would be a continuous 
call for 2-3 minute Paul Harvey type audio messages. (Phil Shapiro 
came up with one yesterday about Apple's Tiger and the City of 
Philadelphia. I will let him tell you about that.) (Andy's mobcasting 
is wide open for a dozen Connect the Dots pieces)

Move-On.org showed the way for this kind of development in the 
presidential campaign last year. What they did was ask their 
subscribers to create short videos for possible use on television. 
The response was overwhelming something like 1,700 submissions in 
a very short time period.

Submissions could come by phone (and/or upload); voting by DDN 
subscribers could take place with use of all that sophisticated 
(free) polling stuff. The winning pieces could be announced by emails 
that were also sent to radio stations interested in intriguing pieces 
for insertions when times were dull. Winning stuff could also be put 
in text, and submitted to the print media.

In many ways this is really fun stuff for people with the cast of 
mind who read the Digital Divide posts. I see the the goal of 
reaching larger audiences --- and with that cash contributions,as per 
the success of www.move-on.org.

John Hibbs
http://www.bfranklin.edu
P.S. My favorite Çonnect the Dots involves the role of English 
language instructors, ICT, radio and how their work can reduce the 
Divide. (Blind copies are sent to the leaders of Webheads. They may 
wish to post?)

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Re: [DDN] Webheads and the Digital Divide Network,

2005-05-09 Thread Taran Rampersad
I disagree still about mainly because 15 meg of MP3 is usually less than
64k of text. IT Conversations is a nice site, but it's also a way of
enforcing the unavailability of content to the community.

If IT Conversations, as an example, is such a brilliant site - why is
the bar so high for entry? Sorry. I will lump podcasting into this. It's
for high bandwidth people to talk to high bandwidth people, it doesn't
permit discussion as much as mobcasting does, and it's also labeled
after a piece of hardware that Apple is all too happy to handicap for
the ability *to* podcast.

My position is strong on this, I know. But podcasting by itself probably
is only useful for the visually impaired, and I don't know that anyone
does podcasting for that purpose yet. They should. But mobcasting is the
superior thing to do in this scenario as well.

Ross Gardler wrote:

 Taran Rampersad wrote:

 Snipped some stuff...

 John Hibbs wrote:


 Lets not lump all podcasting together and write it off. You say as it
 is used, but that seems to assume that there are no good uses of
 podcasting.

 I, like most people, find most blogs do not interest me. Similarly,
 the majority of podcasts don't interest me. However, just like blogs
 there are a few podcasts that I find extremely useful.

 A great example would be http://www.itconversations.com (only useful
 to the techies out there but it is a good example). This site carries
 the audio from a wide range of sources, such as radio shows and, most
 importantly, conference presentations.

 There are some wonderful presentations at various conferences that I
 cannot attend, these podcasts make the important key-notes and other
 presentations available to a wide range of people unable to be
 physically present at the conference.

  Audio blogging is for people who have bandwidth.

 Remember that bandwidth need not be a live Internet connection. I
 recently passed a Compact Flash containing a number of key
 presentations from IT Conversations to a colleague in rural Guyana.

 In his village he doesn't even have a computer, let alone an Internet
 connection. Yet that lack of bandwidth does not limit him with
 podcasting, he'll be using an MP3 player to listen to the podcasts and
 will be using what he learns from them to convince the village
 community that they need an IT Centre.

 I therefore agree with John, podcasting has the *potential* to reach
 many more than it currently does.

 Ross



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Re: [DDN] Webheads and the Digital Divide Network,

2005-05-09 Thread Taran Rampersad
Dave Pentecost wrote:

 And the phrase lowest common
denominator leads to an easy condescension to your readers.
  

Good point. Perhaps lowest common accessibility denominator would be
better. I was trying (and maybe failing!) to make the point that most
people on the internet don't have as much bandwidth as we might take for
granted. I'll try to think of a better way to write it. Math and English
are always a funny mix. :-(

Beyond that, there is the concept of the trimtab - a small unit that
exerts great influence on the course of a large vessel. I think we can
function in that way, and benefit the lowest common denominator
without wasting effort in audience development.
  

Err. Well, 'audience development' is sort of a weird phrase. But working
on decreasing the Digital Divide could be construed as 'audience
development', in that we are trying to increase the size of our
audience. Are we working against ourselves?

This list has an amazing reach and members who span a broad range of
activities. Take care in your efforts to expand it. And if you do
change course, I hope it will be in the direction of increased
practical advice and tips on appropriate funding, hardware and
software. In my opinion, that's what your greater audience needs, not
more theoretical discussions.
  

I agree... but I'll also offer that theoretical discussion has a place
in the list as well. Funding issues, as an example, are theoretical
(until someone gets it). Practical discussions on implementation are
actually theoretical to the receiver until they implement them. And
broader social and policy topics have a definitive effect on the future
of the Digital Divide. So yes, it's a matter of balance.

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Re: [DDN] Webheads and the Digital Divide Network,

2005-05-09 Thread Andy Carvin

Taran Rampersad wrote:
My position is strong on this, I know. But podcasting by itself probably
is only useful for the visually impaired, and I don't know that anyone
does podcasting for that purpose yet. They should. But mobcasting is the
superior thing to do in this scenario as well.
Actually, I've just been beta-testing a new service called talkr.com. 
The site just went public today. Talkr is an RSS newsreader with a twist 
- it literally reads out your favorite blogs as a computerized voice. 
When you add an RSS feed to its database, it generates an mp3 file of 
the computer voice reading out each blog entry contained within the RSS 
feed. For example, here's the mp3 of my recent blog entry about the 
attack on the Kabul cybercafe:

http://talkr.com/audio/a/n/d/y/38039.mp3
You need to have a login to manage your own set of RSS feeds, but the 
mp3 files are publicly accessible, which means you could create a 
parallel podcast of your text blog, using the mp3 files created by 
talkr. That way, your audience could either read your blog or listen to 
it. But Talkr will be fee-based, so this free experimental account I 
have at the moment won't last long. From what the developer's told me, 
the site wasn't initially designed with the disabled community in mind, 
but they're now exploring ways of making this a service for people with 
visual impairments.

ac
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Re: [DDN] Webheads and the Digital Divide Network

2005-05-09 Thread Pamela McLean
Ross Gardler wrote:
Remember that bandwidth need not be a live Internet connection. I 
recently passed a Compact Flash containing a number of key 
presentations from IT Conversations to a colleague in rural Guyana.

In his village he doesn't even have a computer, let alone an Internet 
connection. Yet that lack of bandwidth does not limit him with 
podcasting, he'll be using an MP3 player to listen to the podcasts and 
will be using what he learns from them to convince the village 
community that they need an IT Centre.

Ross
Would this information be appropriate to share with the community in 
Ago-Are - to give them a clearer vision of the potential of their 
InfoCentre?
They do have computers (not very high spec but some do include sound).
Could the info go to them on a CD?.
What are the accents like?  How fast do the contributors speak? i.e. How 
well must my Ago-Are people understand English to make sense of it? (The 
people I have in mind to listen can understand my English - but not if I 
speak too fast - i.e my usual rate...).

By the way does this renewed activity mean that the floods have gone 
down and life is getting a little easier there in Guyana now - I hope 
so..

Pam
Pamela McLean
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RE: [DDN] Webheads and the Digital Divide Network,

2005-05-09 Thread Steven Clift


I use the commericial product, Text Aloud MP3 to convert text that I can
cut and paste into MP3 files.  It sure saves on paper for those articles
I should read but don't need to waste trees with.

Also, I had an open source prototype built for webcasting public meeting
audio with webcam images for the UK Local E-democracy National Project.
Would anyone like to help us test it more widely? Drop me a note:
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[DDN] Webheads and the Digital Divide Network,

2005-05-08 Thread John Hibbs
At 9:23 PM -0700 5/7/05, Aiden Yeh wrote:
Vance Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Group cohesion is
when as a result of postings on a thread the group feels more like it's
heading in a common and positive direction.
I belong to far too many lists, the majority of which are in the 
education arena. The two best, by far, are Webheads 
http://www.webheads.info and The Digital Divide Network 
http://www.digitaldividenetwork.org

Of course I am biased because of my strongly held belief that English 
language instructors and those inside their classrooms are at the 
pointy edge of the shovels which can best reduce the Divide.

Nowhere is this belief better reinforced than by the many dozens of 
very smart Webheads (like Aiden Yeh) who use affordable technology in 
ways that are often completely uncommon with others in their part of 
the world.  My hat's off to them. It's also off with equal vigor to 
brilliant subscribers to DDN who are as varied as the one hundred or 
so countries from which they come. At first glance, the two groups 
have entirely different missions. But do they?

Here's my caveat. The one area that I think needs improvement is how 
both groups can get more attention?

My guess is that podcasting, satellite radio, community radio and the 
innovative spirits that are found in both groups are the main 
ingredients for wide publicity - and more money, accelerated results. 
Yet, both groups seem satisfied to reach a few hundred in their real 
time events and a few thousand in their electronic circulations.

I wish they would give more thought on how to reach millions.
Unfortunately, the recipe that will generate same has yet to be 
formulated -- much less baked. Ideas welcome.

John Hibbs
http://www.bfranklin.edu/johnhibbs
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