Re: [OT] Regarding most used operating system among devs
On Thursday, 9 April 2015 at 18:28:46 UTC, Marco Leise wrote: Am Wed, 08 Apr 2015 13:05:01 + schrieb Szymon Gatner noem...@gmail.com: On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 12:34:06 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: Since then, I always favor spaces over tabs. One space is always one space. Not to start a war but agreed ;) 2 spaces (specifically) FTW! You see, there's the reason why we tab users use tabs. Even though I will probably get the same response as shown here [1], I consider the most sensible (and imho the technically correct) way to be both: - Tabs for indentation, because one tab is always one indentation level, regardless of the actual visual width. - Spaces for alignment, because inside one indentation level you should be able to align code without interacting with the indentation level at all, keeping the two separate. This way allows any reader to always have correct indentation and alignment, while still being able to choose how wide one indentation level should be rendered as. As such: Smart Tabs FTW! [1] http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/SmartTabs
Re: [OT] Regarding most used operating system among devs
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 16:19:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote: Poll has a windows bias due to stackoverflows focus on .NET, which is extremely overrepresented on SO(see: redmonk) Even if there is a bias how large can it be? It is not few % difference in the poll results.
Re: [OT] Regarding most used operating system among devs
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 16:13:22 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 16:08:44 UTC, Dicebot wrote: So who is going to do the pull request? One of those Linux developers I presume? :) I actually came close to it, but it ended up being a bit of a pain. The easiest thing would be to just shove the win32.* packages in the zip, but then you ahve the hassle of HANDLE being different in core.sys.windows.windows and win32... and I wanted to merge them but it wasn't as easy as it should be, then other stuff came up. But maybe the path of least resistance is worth doing. Or perhaps the core.sys.windows could simply import win32 instead of adapting them hmmm. That's tempting. tho then I hit the problem of me having three jobs already and don't have a lot of time I'm of the opposite end, where I have the time; however, I don't understand exactly what needs done. I've been meaning to get more familiar with the Win32 API anyhow. Perhaps we could tag team this? Feel free to get a hold of me if you're interested.
Re: [OT] Regarding most used operating system among devs
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 16:19:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote: On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 08:59:04 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote: From StackOverflow's 2015 Developer Survey [1]: For the third year in a row, we asked respondents which operating system they use the most. Windows maintains the lion's share of the developer operating system market, while Mac appears to have overtaken the Linuxes among active Stack Overflow devs. Linux may be a small player on the consumer market, with just 1.5% of global desktop operating system share, but it's a go-to OS for developers. Interestingly, from the Text editor question we learn that most used ones are NotePad++ and Sublime Text (and not Visual Studio) which I know are favs among webdevelopers that are not used to IDEs (as debugging happens in web browsers). This correlates with with Most popular technologies results too. To sum up: Please give more attention to Windows developers like myself ;) [1]http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2015 Poll has a windows bias due to stackoverflows focus on .NET, which is extremely overrepresented on SO(see: redmonk) Most of the enterprise developers are on Windows, even when targeting UNIX, it is not only .NET. Unless one is doing plain C or C++ with their bare bones runtime libraries, there are plenty of languages that allow for such workflow. -- Paulo
Re: [OT] Regarding most used operating system among devs
Am Wed, 08 Apr 2015 13:05:01 + schrieb Szymon Gatner noem...@gmail.com: On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 12:34:06 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: Since then, I always favor spaces over tabs. One space is always one space. Not to start a war but agreed ;) 2 spaces (specifically) FTW! You see, there's the reason why we tab users use tabs. -- Marco
Re: [OT] Regarding most used operating system among devs
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 12:00:35 UTC, Kagamin wrote: http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2015#tech-tabsspaces heh Yeah :) huh must be younger devs?
Re: [OT] Regarding most used operating system among devs
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 10:34:19 UTC, Jens Bauer wrote: On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 08:59:04 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote: From StackOverflow's 2015 Developer Survey [1]: Mac appears to have overtaken the Linuxes among active Stack Overflow devs. [1]http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2015 If they wanted to have some more reliable numbers, they would make a web-page that shows a little more than an image of the Stackoverflow logo in some Web-browsers... -That's all I see. Works fine in Chrome and IE. I kindof doubt Joel Solsky can't do a wepage right
Re: [OT] Regarding most used operating system among devs
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 08:59:04 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote: From StackOverflow's 2015 Developer Survey [1]: Mac appears to have overtaken the Linuxes among active Stack Overflow devs. [1]http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2015 If they wanted to have some more reliable numbers, they would make a web-page that shows a little more than an image of the Stackoverflow logo in some Web-browsers... -That's all I see.
Re: [OT] Regarding most used operating system among devs
http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2015#tech-tabsspaces heh
Re: [OT] Regarding most used operating system among devs
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 08:59:04 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote: From StackOverflow's 2015 Developer Survey [1]: Interestingly, from the Text editor question we learn that most used ones are NotePad++ and Sublime Text (and not Visual Studio) which I know are favs among webdevelopers that are not used to IDEs (as debugging happens in web browsers). I suspect in the list of text editors IDEs were not listed, they probably were in another question.
[OT] Regarding most used operating system among devs
From StackOverflow's 2015 Developer Survey [1]: For the third year in a row, we asked respondents which operating system they use the most. Windows maintains the lion's share of the developer operating system market, while Mac appears to have overtaken the Linuxes among active Stack Overflow devs. Linux may be a small player on the consumer market, with just 1.5% of global desktop operating system share, but it's a go-to OS for developers. Interestingly, from the Text editor question we learn that most used ones are NotePad++ and Sublime Text (and not Visual Studio) which I know are favs among webdevelopers that are not used to IDEs (as debugging happens in web browsers). This correlates with with Most popular technologies results too. To sum up: Please give more attention to Windows developers like myself ;) [1]http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2015
Re: [OT] Regarding most used operating system among devs
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 15:41:42 UTC, bachmeier wrote: On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 08:59:04 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote: To sum up: Please give more attention to Windows developers like myself ;) We could turn that around: Windows developers, please step up to contribute to the development of D. Which is the only way more attention to Windows development can realistically happen.
Re: [OT] Regarding most used operating system among devs
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 08:59:04 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote: From StackOverflow's 2015 Developer Survey [1]: For the third year in a row, we asked respondents which operating system they use the most. Windows maintains the lion's share of the developer operating system market, while Mac appears to have overtaken the Linuxes among active Stack Overflow devs. Linux may be a small player on the consumer market, with just 1.5% of global desktop operating system share, but it's a go-to OS for developers. Interestingly, from the Text editor question we learn that most used ones are NotePad++ and Sublime Text (and not Visual Studio) which I know are favs among webdevelopers that are not used to IDEs (as debugging happens in web browsers). This correlates with with Most popular technologies results too. To sum up: Please give more attention to Windows developers like myself ;) [1]http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2015 Poll has a windows bias due to stackoverflows focus on .NET, which is extremely overrepresented on SO(see: redmonk)
Re: [OT] Regarding most used operating system among devs
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 16:03:12 UTC, Charles wrote: On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 15:41:42 UTC, bachmeier wrote: On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 08:59:04 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote: To sum up: Please give more attention to Windows developers like myself ;) We could turn that around: Windows developers, please step up to contribute to the development of D. I don't know if that's necessarily fair. I asked last week about finding the Win32 API for D. It exists, but it hasn't been touched in awhile, and still exists on dsource (not code.dlang.org). We have core.sys.windows.windows, but it's pretty terrible atm in this front. So who is going to do the pull request? One of those Linux developers I presume? :)
Re: [OT] Regarding most used operating system among devs
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 12:18:14 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote: On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 12:00:35 UTC, Kagamin wrote: http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2015#tech-tabsspaces heh Yeah :) huh must be younger devs? Might explain Go...
Re: [OT] Regarding most used operating system among devs
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 12:18:14 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote: On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 12:00:35 UTC, Kagamin wrote: http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2015#tech-tabsspaces heh Yeah :) huh must be younger devs? Once upon a time, as MS-DOS was still the PC OS to go, I had to go through a Turbo C 2.0 project fixing indentation, *manually* as doing automatically no better given the state. Since then, I always favor spaces over tabs. One space is always one space. -- Paulo
Re: [OT] Regarding most used operating system among devs
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 12:34:06 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: Since then, I always favor spaces over tabs. One space is always one space. Not to start a war but agreed ;) 2 spaces (specifically) FTW!
Re: [OT] Regarding most used operating system among devs
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 15:41:42 UTC, bachmeier wrote: On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 08:59:04 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote: To sum up: Please give more attention to Windows developers like myself ;) We could turn that around: Windows developers, please step up to contribute to the development of D. I don't know if that's necessarily fair. I asked last week about finding the Win32 API for D. It exists, but it hasn't been touched in awhile, and still exists on dsource (not code.dlang.org). We have core.sys.windows.windows, but it's pretty terrible atm in this front.
Re: [OT] Regarding most used operating system among devs
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 16:08:44 UTC, Dicebot wrote: So who is going to do the pull request? One of those Linux developers I presume? :) I actually came close to it, but it ended up being a bit of a pain. The easiest thing would be to just shove the win32.* packages in the zip, but then you ahve the hassle of HANDLE being different in core.sys.windows.windows and win32... and I wanted to merge them but it wasn't as easy as it should be, then other stuff came up. But maybe the path of least resistance is worth doing. Or perhaps the core.sys.windows could simply import win32 instead of adapting them hmmm. That's tempting. tho then I hit the problem of me having three jobs already and don't have a lot of time
