Re: Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the site please
On Wednesday, 17 February 2016 at 20:11:10 UTC, anonymous wrote: On 10.02.2016 22:31, anonymous wrote: I've shot him an email. No response for a week. Trying a GitHub @-mention now: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/1212#issuecomment-185381136 No response to that either. I've also tried emailing two other addresses and Twitter. Nothing. What now?
Re: Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the site please
On Tuesday, 23 February 2016 at 09:39:22 UTC, Adrian Matoga wrote: On Wednesday, 10 February 2016 at 20:25:05 UTC, anonymous wrote: On 10.02.2016 17:49, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: If you guys are going to create a new logo based on the old one, you probably should clear it with the original creator. On his website he has give us use rights for non-commercial use, but not rights to create derivative works... The new logo is not part of the pull request. It's already on the site. If there's a legal problem, we should probably revert that. The exact text on the site of the original author [1] is COPYRIGHT © SUKIMASHITA 2006 ALL FREE TO USE. ONLY SELLING THESE IMAGES IS PROHIBITED. I'd understand that to allow derivative works, but disallow selling them. I'm not a lawyer, though. If those terms don't allow us to mess with the logo, what kind of statement or license do we need from the author? [1] http://media.sukimashita.com/d/ The same site also says, under "Guide": "Ease creation of derivative art (icons, banners etc.)", which is certainly not an explicit legal statement, but gives an idea of the author's intention. Could we just redo the logo? I think it looks like our D has a cancerous tumor. How about just cutting off the big growth, and moving that little dot (in the upper right) into the center of the D. Also make the center of the D pure red so the dot stands out.
Re: Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the site please
On Wednesday, 10 February 2016 at 20:25:05 UTC, anonymous wrote: On 10.02.2016 17:49, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: If you guys are going to create a new logo based on the old one, you probably should clear it with the original creator. On his website he has give us use rights for non-commercial use, but not rights to create derivative works... The new logo is not part of the pull request. It's already on the site. If there's a legal problem, we should probably revert that. The exact text on the site of the original author [1] is COPYRIGHT © SUKIMASHITA 2006 ALL FREE TO USE. ONLY SELLING THESE IMAGES IS PROHIBITED. I'd understand that to allow derivative works, but disallow selling them. I'm not a lawyer, though. If those terms don't allow us to mess with the logo, what kind of statement or license do we need from the author? [1] http://media.sukimashita.com/d/ The same site also says, under "Guide": "Ease creation of derivative art (icons, banners etc.)", which is certainly not an explicit legal statement, but gives an idea of the author's intention.
Re: Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the site please
On 10.02.2016 22:31, anonymous wrote: I've shot him an email. No response for a week. Trying a GitHub @-mention now: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/1212#issuecomment-185381136
Re: Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the site please
On Wednesday, 10 February 2016 at 16:26:33 UTC, Gary Willoughby wrote: Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the website please. See here for an example: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/1227 Destroy! It's too big. I like the menu bar the size it is right now. The new logo itself looks very nice, though.
Re: Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the site please
On Wednesday, 10 February 2016 at 16:26:33 UTC, Gary Willoughby wrote: Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the website please. See here for an example: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/1227 Destroy! I like the big one, it looks more solid. But I would keep the small logo for small screen sizes (phones), since the top bar is to tall otherwise.
Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the site please
Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the website please. See here for an example: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/1227 Destroy!
Re: Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the site please
On Wednesday, 10 February 2016 at 16:26:33 UTC, Gary Willoughby wrote: Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the website please. See here for an example: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/1227 It takes up a bit much vertical space. If you guys are going to create a new logo based on the old one, you probably should clear it with the original creator. On his website he has give us use rights for non-commercial use, but not rights to create derivative works... Not being able to use it on commercial items (like t-shirts) is a bit restrictive, IMO.
Re: Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the site please
On Wednesday, 10 February 2016 at 16:26:33 UTC, Gary Willoughby wrote: Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the website please. See here for an example: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/1227 Destroy! I agree it's too tall in that PR. Maybe go for a happy medium? http://racket-lang.org/, https://golang.org/, and http://fsharp.org/ all have the same header height: about halfway between current dlang.org and your PR. -Wyatt
Re: Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the site please
On Wednesday, 10 February 2016 at 16:26:33 UTC, Gary Willoughby wrote: Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the website please. See here for an example: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/1227 Destroy! Making it big is more like a flat design, which is better IMO. But the rest of the page would also have to also be flat in design. Else a smaller version will be a good match with the current design. By the way, the plain white color of the forum body really hurts my eyes. Why not the grey on the homepage?
Re: Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the site please
On Wednesday, 10 February 2016 at 20:25:05 UTC, anonymous wrote: The exact text on the site of the original author [1] is COPYRIGHT © SUKIMASHITA 2006 ALL FREE TO USE. ONLY SELLING THESE IMAGES IS PROHIBITED. I'd understand that to allow derivative works, but disallow selling them. I'm not a lawyer, though. My understanding is that "use" means creating copies only. I does not say "modify". He is giving you the right to create copies. Then he puts in the single constrain that it cannot be exchanged for money. I don't think the constraint is granting additional rights. Probably depends on your jurisdiction, but my understanding of the legislation in my country is that an artist has rights related to protecting his integrity as an artist. It is not uncommon that liberal creative licenses states that you are not allowed to use relate a derived work to the the original creators name... (or the opposite). Like, if a historian wrote a book on 2WW, he probably doesn't want someone to create a derived work of it that is rewritten as a holocaust-denial and associate it with him. Likewise, even if people buy/commission an artwork instalment (in my country), it is still illegal to modify or destroy it without contacting the artist. If those terms don't allow us to mess with the logo, what kind of statement or license do we need from the author? Ask for a Creative Commons license?
Re: Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the site please
On 10.02.2016 17:49, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: If you guys are going to create a new logo based on the old one, you probably should clear it with the original creator. On his website he has give us use rights for non-commercial use, but not rights to create derivative works... The new logo is not part of the pull request. It's already on the site. If there's a legal problem, we should probably revert that. The exact text on the site of the original author [1] is COPYRIGHT © SUKIMASHITA 2006 ALL FREE TO USE. ONLY SELLING THESE IMAGES IS PROHIBITED. I'd understand that to allow derivative works, but disallow selling them. I'm not a lawyer, though. If those terms don't allow us to mess with the logo, what kind of statement or license do we need from the author? [1] http://media.sukimashita.com/d/
Re: Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the site please
On Wednesday, 10 February 2016 at 20:57:41 UTC, Bubbasaur wrote: Even with music, you can make "remix" and distribute for free legally, but of course you can't sell. No. You cannot make a remix or use samples without a license.
Re: Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the site please
On Wednesday, 10 February 2016 at 20:49:02 UTC, Bubbasaur wrote: On Wednesday, 10 February 2016 at 16:26:33 UTC, Gary Willoughby wrote: Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the website please. See here for an example: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/1227 Destroy! I'd prefer this version but smaller. The current one with black borders is ugly for the new layout. Bubba. https://dlang.org :P (the forums just haven't updated yet)
Re: Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the site please
On Wednesday, 10 February 2016 at 21:00:10 UTC, Brad Anderson wrote: https://dlang.org :P (the forums just haven't updated yet) Ohh. Yes that's better. :) Bubba.
Re: Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the site please
On Wednesday, 10 February 2016 at 21:01:11 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Wednesday, 10 February 2016 at 20:57:41 UTC, Bubbasaur wrote: Even with music, you can make "remix" and distribute for free legally, but of course you can't sell. No. You cannot make a remix or use samples without a license. YOU CAN! I'll give you one example: https://www.youtube.com/yt/copyright/fair-use.html#yt-copyright-four-factors Please read this from TOP-DOWN, between the lines, 3 times before start answering me. And understand the part of FAIR USE. Again before replying, read that link again one more time, and pay attention on the part of FAIR USE. I have a friend which was judged and won on this matter last year. Bubba. PS: Please before replying, read that link again one more time, and pay attention on the part of FAIR USE. :)
Re: Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the site please
On Wednesday, 10 February 2016 at 16:26:33 UTC, Gary Willoughby wrote: Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the website please. See here for an example: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/1227 Destroy! I'd prefer this version but smaller. The current one with black borders is ugly for the new layout. Bubba.
Re: Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the site please
On Wednesday, 10 February 2016 at 20:25:05 UTC, anonymous wrote: ... COPYRIGHT © SUKIMASHITA 2006 ALL FREE TO USE. ONLY SELLING THESE IMAGES IS PROHIBITED. I'd understand that to allow derivative works, but disallow selling them. I'm not a lawyer, though. ... You're right, he would lose "IF" he tried to sue anyone. He was very clear when he said the only prohibited thing is selling, end case. The "USE" is too generic for this case that It can be interpreted as modify, and again, he never said anything about that, but ONLY SELLING, again end case. Even with music, you can make "remix" and distribute for free legally, but of course you can't sell. Bubba.
Re: Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the site please
On Wednesday, 10 February 2016 at 16:26:33 UTC, Gary Willoughby wrote: Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the website please. See here for an example: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/1227 Destroy! It is better on large screen, worse on small ones.
Re: Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the site please
On Wednesday, 10 February 2016 at 21:37:29 UTC, CraigDillabaugh wrote: On Wednesday, 10 February 2016 at 16:26:33 UTC, Gary Willoughby wrote: clip Speaking of the logo, does anyone know where I can get my hands on a 256x256 PNG version of the logo (or at least larger than the website one). I need to upload it for the GSOC application. I know I can take the logo from the website and blow it up, but it is pretty small and enlarging it so much will result in a pretty awful looking image. OK, found the SVG version, so I should be good. Sorry for the noise ... you can go back to arguing about fair use :o)
Re: Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the site please
On 10.02.2016 22:37, CraigDillabaugh wrote: I know I can take the logo from the website and blow it up, but it is pretty small and enlarging it so much will result in a pretty awful looking image. It's an SVG file, so enlarging should work beautifully. If you're having trouble with it, I can upload a larger SVG or PNG version. Is 256x256 the ideal format? Does it need to be square? The logo on the site is more wide than high. Do you want it cropped or centered?
Re: Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the site please
On Wednesday, 10 February 2016 at 21:44:54 UTC, anonymous wrote: On 10.02.2016 22:37, CraigDillabaugh wrote: I know I can take the logo from the website and blow it up, but it is pretty small and enlarging it so much will result in a pretty awful looking image. It's an SVG file, so enlarging should work beautifully. If you're having trouble with it, I can upload a larger SVG or PNG version. Is 256x256 the ideal format? Does it need to be square? The logo on the site is more wide than high. Do you want it cropped or centered? Thanks. I found the SVG version, which I should be able to resize. For some reason Google wants a logo at least 256x256. Not sure if it has to be square, need to check their site again, think it has to be 256 on the smallest dimension. I am reasonably competent with image processing software, so I should be OK, even if I have to crop/squish it. Actually, it would make more sense to just add a white background and centre it on that if they don't take irregular shapes. If I get stuck, I will know who to ask.
Re: Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the site please
On Wednesday, 10 February 2016 at 21:20:35 UTC, Bubbasaur wrote: On Wednesday, 10 February 2016 at 21:01:11 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Wednesday, 10 February 2016 at 20:57:41 UTC, Bubbasaur wrote: Even with music, you can make "remix" and distribute for free legally, but of course you can't sell. No. You cannot make a remix or use samples without a license. YOU CAN! Err... no you can't. In general, you can't. Yes, I know what "fair use" is. It differs widely from jurisdiction to jurisdiction and within an jurisdiction and is very much a case-by-case issue. E.g. professionals often get the right to display examples of their work to prospective customers, or you get to create a satirical work based on other works, or for research etc. "education" isn't good enough, alone, if it was it would be impossible to sell educational works. But the Bern convention set out to protect copyright holders, not end users. So all it says is what the minimum requirements are... but all jurisdictions can grant creators _more_ rights than what the convention says. The only obligation is that local and foreign creators are treated equally.
Re: Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the site please
On Wednesday, 10 February 2016 at 21:31:39 UTC, anonymous wrote: On 10.02.2016 21:38, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: Ask for a Creative Commons license? I've shot him an email. Great, maybe also mention that it would be nice if it could be used on T-shirts and book covers?
Re: Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the site please
On 10.02.2016 21:38, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: Ask for a Creative Commons license? I've shot him an email.
Re: Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the site please
On Wednesday, 10 February 2016 at 16:26:33 UTC, Gary Willoughby wrote: Can I get more opinions on increasing the logo size on the website please. See here for an example: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/1227 Destroy! Speaking of the logo, does anyone know where I can get my hands on a 256x256 PNG version of the logo (or at least larger than the website one). I need to upload it for the GSOC application. I know I can take the logo from the website and blow it up, but it is pretty small and enlarging it so much will result in a pretty awful looking image.
