Re: Poll - How long have you been in D?
I started using D2 about a year ago. Now all projects make to D2 along with the GUI QtE (Qt bindings own production). http://qte.ucoz.ru/index/screenshots/0-6
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On Monday, 7 April 2014 at 02:34:59 UTC, Kapps wrote: These results are a bit disappointing. Ideally you'd see a massive bias towards new users, but we see the opposite :( Perhaps this poll isn't public enough? On reddit and stuff? I don't imagine many new users read these forums frequently, and this is the only place it's been posted AFAIK. Brand new user, wrote my first D program today. It preformed the same task as a python program I had laying around. I wanted to see if a compiled language could as terse the python syntax I've grown accustomed to. Well, I'm happy to say the D program was one line shorter! Not bad. I've programmed python for over 10 years and was considering diving into Java since the C standard library is so tiny and it has no standard cross-platform GUI toolkit. I'd say D is looking pretty good, now if it just hand a standard GUI library... (Side note: I entered a fake email address, is that a no-no one this list?)
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On 4/24/2014 2:17 AM, bytedruid wrote: (Side note: I entered a fake email address, is that a no-no one this list?) It's fine, many of us do that. Look at mine ;)
Re: Poll - How long have you been in D?
On Thursday, 24 April 2014 at 06:18:01 UTC, bytedruid wrote: I'd say D is looking pretty good, now if it just hand a standard GUI library... There were reports on an ongoing work on Qt bindings, you might want to help with that. On Thursday, 24 April 2014 at 09:06:13 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: It's fine, many of us do that. Look at mine ;) Web interface doesn't show email addresses.
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Thus far according to the poll, it looks like there hasn't been much growth in terms of new users, and a good number of people have stuck around for a number of years. We should take more measurements on the number of new users. I swear that I've seen a lot of new people in the IRC channel and a few new people on the forums.
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On 2014-04-05 21:06, Nick Sabalausky wrote: On 4/4/2014 8:51 PM, Simen Kjærås wrote: On 2014-04-04 02:10, dnewbie wrote: Please vote now! http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=533e10e4e4b0edddf89898c5 See also results from previous years: - http://d.darktech.org/2012.png - http://d.darktech.org/2013.png These things make me feel old. Looking at the old changelog[0], I can remember changes all the way back to 0.91. That's not quite ten years yet, but give it a month and a half... [0]: http://www.digitalmars.com/d/1.0/changelog1.html#new091 -- Simen I remember watching the changelog and wondering if the next version after v0.99 was going to be v1.0. Yeah, I'd forgotten about that, but now you mention it, I think even there was a discussion on that topic. -- Simen
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On Saturday, 5 April 2014 at 21:06:14 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: On 4/4/2014 8:51 PM, Simen Kjærås wrote: On 2014-04-04 02:10, dnewbie wrote: I remember watching the changelog and wondering if the next version after v0.99 was going to be v1.0. Yes, yes! I remember that it was some discussion about the position of planet Mars or something! Everybody was disappointed to see 0.100... :(
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On 4/4/14, dnewbie r...@myopera.com wrote: Please vote now! http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=533e10e4e4b0edddf89898c5 I remember trying D1 many years ago, but I got put off by the whole choose tango or phobos thing back then. I'm glad to see those days are behind us.
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On 4 April 2014 12:10, dnewbie r...@myopera.com wrote: Please vote now! http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=533e10e4e4b0edddf89898c5 See also results from previous years: - http://d.darktech.org/2012.png - http://d.darktech.org/2013.png These results are a bit disappointing. Ideally you'd see a massive bias towards new users, but we see the opposite :( Perhaps this poll isn't public enough? On reddit and stuff?
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On Monday, 7 April 2014 at 02:00:37 UTC, Manu wrote: On 4 April 2014 12:10, dnewbie r...@myopera.com wrote: Please vote now! http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=533e10e4e4b0edddf89898c5 See also results from previous years: - http://d.darktech.org/2012.png - http://d.darktech.org/2013.png These results are a bit disappointing. Ideally you'd see a massive bias towards new users, but we see the opposite :( Perhaps this poll isn't public enough? On reddit and stuff? I don't imagine many new users read these forums frequently, and this is the only place it's been posted AFAIK. Also, that could be interpreted as users like D enough that they continue to use it for a long time, also nice. :P
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On 7 April 2014 12:34, Kapps opantm2+s...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, 7 April 2014 at 02:00:37 UTC, Manu wrote: On 4 April 2014 12:10, dnewbie r...@myopera.com wrote: Please vote now! http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=533e10e4e4b0edddf89898c5 See also results from previous years: - http://d.darktech.org/2012.png - http://d.darktech.org/2013.png These results are a bit disappointing. Ideally you'd see a massive bias towards new users, but we see the opposite :( Perhaps this poll isn't public enough? On reddit and stuff? I don't imagine many new users read these forums frequently, and this is the only place it's been posted AFAIK. Also, that could be interpreted as users like D enough that they continue to use it for a long time, also nice. :P If you look at the past polls, the new users appear to be declining. I agree, most newbies probably don't get involved in the dev forum, hence suggesting it should probably be posted in some other places too.
Re: Poll - How long have you been in D?
On Friday, 4 April 2014 at 02:10:15 UTC, dnewbie wrote: Please vote now! http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=533e10e4e4b0edddf89898c5 See also results from previous years: - http://d.darktech.org/2012.png - http://d.darktech.org/2013.png I've checked the repositories, D in production since 2006. --- Paolo
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On Friday, 4 April 2014 at 02:10:15 UTC, dnewbie wrote: Please vote now! http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=533e10e4e4b0edddf89898c5 See also results from previous years: - http://d.darktech.org/2012.png - http://d.darktech.org/2013.png I'd been aware of D since around 2008, but didn't actually start using it until January 2012.
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On 4/4/2014 8:51 PM, Simen Kjærås wrote: On 2014-04-04 02:10, dnewbie wrote: Please vote now! http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=533e10e4e4b0edddf89898c5 See also results from previous years: - http://d.darktech.org/2012.png - http://d.darktech.org/2013.png These things make me feel old. Looking at the old changelog[0], I can remember changes all the way back to 0.91. That's not quite ten years yet, but give it a month and a half... [0]: http://www.digitalmars.com/d/1.0/changelog1.html#new091 -- Simen I remember watching the changelog and wondering if the next version after v0.99 was going to be v1.0.
Re: Poll - How long have you been in D?
On Friday, 4 April 2014 at 02:10:15 UTC, dnewbie wrote: Please vote now! http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=533e10e4e4b0edddf89898c5 See also results from previous years: - http://d.darktech.org/2012.png - http://d.darktech.org/2013.png Ever since I got Andrei's book, right after being published. Specially as I was disappointed to the way Go appeared to be heading. Although I very seldom code D, actually more of a fanboy language geek. My work is all about .NET/JVM/mobile environments and I do use a few FP languages on side projects as well. So I tend to do more advocacy than coding in regard to D. -- Paulo
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On Friday, 4 April 2014 at 07:03:14 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: On Friday, 4 April 2014 at 02:10:15 UTC, dnewbie wrote: Although I very seldom code D, actually more of a fanboy language geek. Idem. Started with D in 2002.
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On Fri, 04 Apr 2014 03:10:14 +0100, dnewbie r...@myopera.com wrote: Please vote now! http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=533e10e4e4b0edddf89898c5 See also results from previous years: - http://d.darktech.org/2012.png - http://d.darktech.org/2013.png I think we need a 10+ category now too :p R -- Using Opera's revolutionary email client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
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According to my source repository since october 2006, doing some html parser experiments and tribool/fuzzy logic, but gave up on the language because debugging was hard (not very good error messages, compiler related bugs). Then some OpenGL experiments in 2007, but gave up on the language because of the GC. Then I wrote a small tool in 2008 for optimizing PNG files using C and D (and some other stuff), but ended up with most of the code being in C (85%) because library interfacing was easier that way. Then I decided to wait for DMD2 to be ready since DMD1 appeared to have been abandoned, and I am still waiting…
Re: Poll - How long have you been in D?
On Friday, 4 April 2014 at 02:10:15 UTC, dnewbie wrote: Please vote now! http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=533e10e4e4b0edddf89898c5 See also results from previous years: - http://d.darktech.org/2012.png - http://d.darktech.org/2013.png It would be 2011 or 2012, I think. I learned about it in a Linux magazin that said that Fedora now ships with a compiler for the D programming language, just a note on the last page. The word compiler caught my attention (because I was sick of portable interpreted languages). It was in December and I checked it out over Xmas, having a few days off, and I thought This is it, my prayers have been answered. Native on all platforms, seamlessly interfaces to C. Say no more. Ever since I've been trying to tame that beast.
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On 04/04/14 04:10, dnewbie wrote: Please vote now! http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=533e10e4e4b0edddf89898c5 See also results from previous years: - http://d.darktech.org/2012.png - http://d.darktech.org/2013.png I think I started at the end of 2006. -- /Jacob Carlborg
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On Friday, 4 April 2014 at 02:10:15 UTC, dnewbie wrote: Please vote now! http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=533e10e4e4b0edddf89898c5 See also results from previous years: - http://d.darktech.org/2012.png - http://d.darktech.org/2013.png Since 2010
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Been following along since around 1999, but didn't join into group until June 2004 when I started writing in D (version 1) code and building a personal D project website (which hasn't been updated in a long time). A lot has changed...it's no longer a one-man band with Walter trying to do everything...it's for the better. But still I haven't gotten back into writing D2 code.
Re: Poll - How long have you been in D?
On 2014-04-04 02:10, dnewbie wrote: Please vote now! http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=533e10e4e4b0edddf89898c5 See also results from previous years: - http://d.darktech.org/2012.png - http://d.darktech.org/2013.png These things make me feel old. Looking at the old changelog[0], I can remember changes all the way back to 0.91. That's not quite ten years yet, but give it a month and a half... [0]: http://www.digitalmars.com/d/1.0/changelog1.html#new091 -- Simen
Poll - How long have you been in D?
Please vote now! http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=533e10e4e4b0edddf89898c5 See also results from previous years: - http://d.darktech.org/2012.png - http://d.darktech.org/2013.png
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I'm almost at the point where I've been a D fanatic for half my programmer years... the time sure flies. I think I surpassed writing more D code than all other languages combined last year, taking the prize away from C.
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I couldn't remember when I started using D, so I had to go dig in my personal diary entries until I found it... In late 2011, I had already heard of D during my search for something better than C++, but I didn't really start seriously using D until by chance I came across Andrei's TDPL at a local bookstore. That got me *really* started. Apparently my first D program was a brute-force search to discover all augmentations of a certain class of 4D shapes called duoprisms. I had a very pleasant experience with it... and as they say, the rest is history. :P --T
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Oh noes! We have an aging population! We're all gonna need the pension soon... who's gonna pay the rent! O_O On 15 July 2013 11:32, dnewbie r...@myopera.com wrote: On Saturday, 6 July 2013 at 01:33:09 UTC, dnewbie wrote: Hi. It's time for the annual poll of the year. Please vote http://www.easypolls.net/poll.**html?p=**51d766e4e4b03d6de547a64bhttp://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=51d766e4e4b03d6de547a64b Here are the results. 2012 2013 1 year 27% 21% 1-2 years 25% 27% 3-5 years 28% 31% 6-10 years 19% 21% Total votes 212 201
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On Saturday, 6 July 2013 at 01:33:09 UTC, dnewbie wrote: Hi. It's time for the annual poll of the year. Please vote http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=51d766e4e4b03d6de547a64b Here are the results. 2012 2013 1 year 27% 21% 1-2 years 25% 27% 3-5 years 28% 31% 6-10 years 19% 21% Total votes 212 201
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On Monday, 8 July 2013 at 19:22:59 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote: Y'know what would be an awesome feature? A configurable volume level scheduler, like those old turn-on-the-light-at-night power dials, that automatically shuts off the volume at night, and turns it back on in the morning. Better yet, turn it off during the times in the week where you're in a library / concert / meeting when it shouldn't be going off. Get enough people to use it, and we might stop having to make the now-obligatory announcement please turn off your cellphones all the time (and have people *still* get loud noisy ringtones in the middle of it). Anybody wanna code up a D app for this? It might be the killer app that makes D famous. ;-) Well in Android there is Tasker. I have it play music when I leave work and if I have the headphones plugged in. It is easy to have it adjust volume at specific times of the day/location.
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On 07/07/2013 12:44 PM, Dicebot wrote: On Sunday, 7 July 2013 at 17:37:37 UTC, 1100110 wrote: Please, I still have a physical keyboard on my new smartphone. Put your money where your mouth is. I must admit it becomes increasingly harder to find ones. I am not ware of a single new model that has both physical keyboard and less than 4.5 screen. Any hints? Umm... Forget the name of it, but Motorola XT897. Android 4.1 I think.. here: http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_photon_q_4g_lte_xt897-4885.php (There's a 4.1 update out) Its a pretty decent phone. Lot's of phones are better I'm sure, but I haven't had any major issues with it. (And it was cheap!) And I haven't experienced the battery issues mentioned. I use my phone heavily for social media and such, almost constantly. The battery will last half a day with my usage. Much less if you don't pay attention to the battery hogs of course. But unlike my last phone if it dies, it only takes like 5-10 minutes to charge up enough to boot. Even if it's only plugged into a computer and not the wall. My last phone took like an hour before it would boot... Piece of crap. =P
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On Sun, 7 Jul 2013 16:51:32 -0700 H. S. Teoh hst...@quickfur.ath.cx wrote: On Sun, Jul 07, 2013 at 02:38:15AM -0400, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Yea. I don't accept that smartphones are really phones. They're PDA's with telephony tacked on. Ah, what's in a name? If they want to call PDA's with telephony smartphones then so be it. I wouldn't sweat it with names that are arbitrary anyways. True, but people just end up calling it a phone anyway, even though that's literally like referring to a car as a portable radio. Or like the hipsters who insist on calling the internet a cloud, as if they think there's some sort of distinction. Just too much wrong word going on in general. For non-native English speakers I can understand (English *is* goofy), but native speakers should know how to speak their own damn language. Not saying that's necessarily a bad way to go - it's fine if PDA is your primary use-case. But if you're mainly interested in a phone it's not only complete overkill, but also the wrong set of design compromises. I guess the whole point was to have PDA functionality that included telephony so that you didn't have to carry two devices around? Mind you, having two devices isn't always a bad thing... try looking up something buried deep in the device while talking on the phone, for example. A royal pain when it's the same device! Yea, I agree. OTOH, back at college around 10+ years ago, I ended up feeling so chained down by all the crap I was carrying around everywhere (I was still a total tech geek at the time), that I had a fuck this shit moment, and permanently left my books at the dorm, my wristwatch in my pocket, and generally came to appreciate minimizing the amount of stuff. But of course, a modern dedicated camera + flipphone + PDA/smartphone would probably take up less total space than *just* the music player alone that I had been carrying around at the time (An MP3 CD player - just shortly before the HDD MP3 players started showing up.) They do, like you say, soak up ridiculous amounts of battery power too. Especially Androids. Really? I didn't find my Android significantly worse in battery usage than my old iPod (and that was an *iPod*, not an iPhone). Or maybe both are equally bad. :-P *shrug* Maybe it was just the Nexus S. And I did always have WiFi enabled on that since the cellular service was only connected to the iPhone. Yeah ever since my wife got an iPhone, our attempts to fall asleep have been constantly interrupted by annoying dings and zings every so often from stray emails, notifications, Yup. people sending text messages in the middle of the night for no good reason, etc.. Call me a disgruntled die-hard IM fan, but I always got annoyed at people who took issue with odd-hour SMS. Whether GAIM, Outlook, or SMS, if you don't want incoming messages interrupting you, then *turn the damn speakers off*. Makes no damn sense to leave it on and then bitch about what's obviously going to happen. Of course, these stupid devices will also vibrate and light up and do everything short of spray water and smack you in the face, but really that's just part of a bigger problem: They need to have a proper, convenient, sleep mode anyway. They can call it a shut the fucking thing up mode. :) Neither of my Palm devices ever pulled any of that look at me! look at me! shit (Well, aside from the alarms that I *deliberately* set, and also twice a year when DST would start/end - but even then it didn't go nearly as multisensory-hyperactive as this iStuff does every time one of your contacts types or farts or whatever...and on iOS the stupid thing does it *twice*...I got so sick of that damn thing *repeating* every fucking SMS I received whenever I chose not to give it the attention it demanded. iOS really makes me miss Apple 2). We try to make the best of it, though. I set my morning alarm to a rooster call, and she set hers to dogs barking. A hilarious way to wake up. :-P Heh. If I faced that every morning, both devices would end up launched out the window within the first week ;) And on iOS - well, it *might* be working like a taskbar, but honestly I never could really tell what the hell its semantics were. I was always just *guessing* that it was the list of running programs...which made me wonder why it would (apparently?) keep freaking *everything* I was done using running in the background (at least, as far as I could tell). Yeah I could never figure out what was running in the background on my old iPod. And couldn't find a way to manage background tasks either. It would just run slower and slower until a crawl, and then finally just freeze and fail to respond to anything (or run at 1 screen update every 5 minutes -- completely unusable). Then it's time for the two-finger salute -- power + home for 10 seconds to hard-reboot the contraption. On the iPhones, you can hold the button (uhh, yea, *THE*
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On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 12:55:57AM -0500, 1100110 wrote: [...] And I haven't experienced the battery issues mentioned. [...] The battery will last half a day with my usage. [...] Heh. The original complaint was that I have to charge the device every day. And now you're telling me that charging *twice* a day is not an issue? :-) T -- My program has no bugs! Only unintentional features...
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On 07/06/2013 08:48 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote: Typing on smartphones is hell. I generally try and avoid it unless I absolutely have to. I was on a long train journey, I didn't have my laptop ... at the time it seemed the right thing to do :-)
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On Saturday, 6 July 2013 at 06:48:55 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Saturday, July 06, 2013 08:36:31 Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: Typing replies on a smartphone seems to carry a bit of a cost in textual accuracy :-( Typing on smartphones is hell. I generally try and avoid it unless I absolutely have to. - Jonathan M Davis I used to think that, but i've really got used to it now. In particular the Intel keyboard is very good for writing normal text (don't know if it's available on non-intel phones). It's still completely useless for writing code, but then that's hardly their core concern!
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On Saturday, 6 July 2013 at 06:48:55 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Saturday, July 06, 2013 08:36:31 Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: Typing replies on a smartphone seems to carry a bit of a cost in textual accuracy :-( Typing on smartphones is hell. I generally try and avoid it unless I absolutely have to. - Jonathan M Davis You may want t try messagease : https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.exideas.mekb I really like it and you can get started pretty easily. Still not as handy as a real keyboard, but much more adapted to a touch screen?
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On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 05:48:55AM -0400, Nick Sabalausky wrote: On Sun, 7 Jul 2013 16:51:32 -0700 H. S. Teoh hst...@quickfur.ath.cx wrote: [...] Yeah ever since my wife got an iPhone, our attempts to fall asleep have been constantly interrupted by annoying dings and zings every so often from stray emails, notifications, Yup. people sending text messages in the middle of the night for no good reason, etc.. Call me a disgruntled die-hard IM fan, but I always got annoyed at people who took issue with odd-hour SMS. Whether GAIM, Outlook, or SMS, if you don't want incoming messages interrupting you, then *turn the damn speakers off*. Makes no damn sense to leave it on and then bitch about what's obviously going to happen. Mind you, I do tell her to just turn the thing off at the first ding. But that's already too late if it happens at 3am and I can't fall back to sleep. :-P I guess the annoyance factor comes from the fact that the first ding or two is generally ignorable -- a ding in the middle of the night once in a while is OK, I'll just turn over and forget about it. But after the thing keeps going off 5-6 times in a row, I feel a rather strong urge to chuck it out the window (or apply a Large Blunt Instrument). Of course, these stupid devices will also vibrate and light up and do everything short of spray water and smack you in the face, but really that's just part of a bigger problem: They need to have a proper, convenient, sleep mode anyway. They can call it a shut the fucking thing up mode. :) Y'know what would be an awesome feature? A configurable volume level scheduler, like those old turn-on-the-light-at-night power dials, that automatically shuts off the volume at night, and turns it back on in the morning. Better yet, turn it off during the times in the week where you're in a library / concert / meeting when it shouldn't be going off. Get enough people to use it, and we might stop having to make the now-obligatory announcement please turn off your cellphones all the time (and have people *still* get loud noisy ringtones in the middle of it). Anybody wanna code up a D app for this? It might be the killer app that makes D famous. ;-) Neither of my Palm devices ever pulled any of that look at me! look at me! shit (Well, aside from the alarms that I *deliberately* set, and also twice a year when DST would start/end - but even then it didn't go nearly as multisensory-hyperactive as this iStuff does every time one of your contacts types or farts or whatever...and on iOS the stupid thing does it *twice*...I got so sick of that damn thing *repeating* every fucking SMS I received whenever I chose not to give it the attention it demanded. iOS really makes me miss Apple 2). Heh. Funny anecdote: I used to have such fond memories of the old Apple II and all the good ole programs it had, until one day, in a fit of nostalgia, I decided to fire up an Apple emulator and load up one of those old skool Apple II games that, in my memory, was so awesome and so much better than today's offerings. I was confronted with the good ole ']' Applesoft Basic prompt, and the next few minutes was a nostalgia-shattering experience of realizing to my horror that I had forgotten most of the DOS commands and being rewarded with the utterly unfriendly and unhelpful ?SYNTAX ERROR message. When I finally got the game to load up, I tried playing it through for the next half hour or so, and discovered to my chagrin that it was a LOT worse than I had remembered it. The interface sucked, the gameplay mechanics were boring, and the content was shallow. I suppose we tend to only retain the good memories; experiencing the real thing again after so many decades confronted me with the stark reality that the good ole days, perhaps, weren't *that* good after all. :-( We try to make the best of it, though. I set my morning alarm to a rooster call, and she set hers to dogs barking. A hilarious way to wake up. :-P Heh. If I faced that every morning, both devices would end up launched out the window within the first week ;) Well, it's different when you deliberately set it up to do that. :-P [...] Yeah I could never figure out what was running in the background on my old iPod. And couldn't find a way to manage background tasks either. It would just run slower and slower until a crawl, and then finally just freeze and fail to respond to anything (or run at 1 screen update every 5 minutes -- completely unusable). Then it's time for the two-finger salute -- power + home for 10 seconds to hard-reboot the contraption. On the iPhones, you can hold the button (uhh, yea, *THE* button) for a couple secs (don't recall if you have to already be on the home screen) and it'll show a taskbar/dock-like thing that's basically equivalent to Android 4's task switcher (except tinier). But like I said, I could never tell whether or not iOS included recently used but not
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On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 12:21:24 -0700 H. S. Teoh hst...@quickfur.ath.cx wrote: and all of the other stuff that insists on accessing stuff they shouldn't need to access in order to function. It always makes me suspicious when, for example, a single-player game app requires full internet access, sometimes access to personal account info, etc.. Why on earth does a single-player game need to access the internet?! To retrieve the advertisements to show you (at least for the free games). But aside from that, yea. I often got the feeling the developers were just leaving all those this app uses flags enabled just for the hell of it. But I was also fearful that I might be wrong about that. But overall, Android is definitely less irritating, less idiotic (ex: sideways keyboard is accessible *consistently*, user-selectable default apps for various things), and is just overall the lesser of the two evils. I found Android *far* more configurable to my liking than any of the iOfferings. Yea, definitely. Apple in general is very anti-configuration and anti-choice. That was one of the big things that drove me away from OSX back when I was using it. Android is even more configurable though if you have it rooted and use CyanogenMod. In fact, personally, I don't see much reason not to run CyanogenMod. They do a good job - it's really just Android with more options and fewer restrictions. On the iPod/iPhone I feel like I'm trying to climb Mt. Everest with my left foot glued to my right ear, just because Somebody decided that you have to do things that way, and that way alone. Good analogy :) I dunno, on my Android (icecream sandwich) it's a separate app. Took me a while to find it, though. I don't know which one that is. I was using 4.0, whatever goofy pointless codename that is. (Ehh, But at least they're alphabetical, unlike Debian's random Toy Story character bullshit.) Anyway, there's probably a good chance I just overlooked the direct task manager program, or saw it and just didn't think to home it. In any case, that's still not as nice as if the task switcher simply didn't insist on cluttering itself with recently used junk that isn't even running. But yea, sticking the task manager on home would have at least been an improvement. I thought the task switcher was basically a recently used list. That's probably a good way to think of it. That *is* what it ultimately amounts to. I'd rather have a proper task switcher, though. Accessing frequently used functionality is what the home screen is already there for. If you wanna know what's *actually* running, use the task manager. :) Yea, next time I have an Android device I'll make sure to remember to pin the task manager. Good luck having D apps accepted by the App Store. I'd be surprised if those dumbfucks in App Store Approvals would even notice. [...] They'd notice if your app was a superior browser that threatens the dominance of Safari. :) So very true :( It absolutely amazes me that Microsoft caught hell for merely installing their browser by default, and yet Apple doesn't even raise an eyebrow for outright banning all other browser engines. Clearly Steve Jobs has managed to install Apple as our society's newest sacred cow. I wish he was still alive so I could destroy him myself. Or a video player that *gasp* can play more formats than the crippled built-in video player can (*ahem*VLC player*cough*). Basically anything that threatens the dominance of Apple's own offerings. (I'm not making this up -- google for why VLC player was removed from AppStore. Or why only Opera Mobile Mini exists in AppStore.) Yea. Apple == Big Brother (well, Google too TBH, but just with a different emphasis: Google surveillance vs Apple micro-managing). To buy an Apple product is to pay them to take your freedoms away. And it doesn't even stop at Apple's own users. Apple takes their random $'S and the monopolies they purchase from Federal Monopolies 'R Us (aka USPTO) and go on the rampage against any company that threatens their dominance. The ghost of Job's personal vendettas is alive and well at Apple HQ. Seriously, people bitch about MS (and rightfully so), but Apple makes MS look like the fucking FSF.
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On 07/08/2013 09:24 AM, H. S. Teoh wrote: On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 12:55:57AM -0500, 1100110 wrote: [...] And I haven't experienced the battery issues mentioned. [...] The battery will last half a day with my usage. [...] Heh. The original complaint was that I have to charge the device every day. And now you're telling me that charging *twice* a day is not an issue? :-) T I also explained that I'm literally constantly on my phone. Reddit, web browsing, texting... I remember my old sony ericson phone would last multiple days, but I couldn't browse the web, couldn't send picture messages, etc. Literally call and text was all it was capable of. I honestly think that for the amount I use it, and the amount of things I use it for, charging *once* (overnight doesn't count! =P ) in the middle of the day isn't a bad tradeoff. It'll last all day if I just don't use it of course. You can still buy the old nokia bricks(that's meant as a complement) if you only want basic usage and multiple day battery life. But me? I'm just glad to actually have internet access in my pocket. It was around 2005 before I had reliable access to the internet (that didn't involve me stealing it from someone else).
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On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 12:21:24 -0700 H. S. Teoh hst...@quickfur.ath.cx wrote: They'd notice if your app was a superior browser that threatens the dominance of Safari. :) Or a video player that *gasp* can play more formats than the crippled built-in video player can (*ahem*VLC player*cough*). Basically anything that threatens the dominance of Apple's own offerings. (I'm not making this up -- google for why VLC player was removed from AppStore. Or why only Opera Mobile Mini exists in AppStore.) If I'm not mistaken, maps is another example. IIRC, Didn't Apple kill off Google Maps when they released their own famously broken map/gps program? (With text boxes that look like road signs! Whoohoo! Hooray for iPatronization!)
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On Sat, 6 Jul 2013 14:08:20 -0700 H. S. Teoh hst...@quickfur.ath.cx wrote: I resisted upgrading to a smartphone for many years (people used to laugh at me for carrying around such a prehistoric antique -- to a point I took pride in showing it off to the kids), until the battery life started to wear out and require charging once a day. Finally I succumbed to my phone company who kept bugging me about upgrading (and of course, I chose an Android instead of an iPhone). Well, it's nice to upgrade, I suppose, but I found that I *still* have to recharge once a day 'cos of the battery drain from all those advanced features that were never there in the old phone. Sigh... Yea. I don't accept that smartphones are really phones. They're PDA's with telephony tacked on. Not saying that's necessarily a bad way to go - it's fine if PDA is your primary use-case. But if you're mainly interested in a phone it's not only complete overkill, but also the wrong set of design compromises. They do, like you say, soak up ridiculous amounts of battery power too. Especially Androids. Maybe it's all the VM/dynamic shit. I did generally get a couple days out of the iPhone (as long as I didn't play Rage), instead of the just *barely* one day I got with the Nexus S (even with the cellular stuff disabled). That may not sound too bad to some people, but with the phones, the near-daily recharging got to feel like an enormous ball-and-chain (not to mention *trying* to turn off the damn sound globally every night so the stupid things wouldn't wake me up for notifications and other shit that I don't care about when I'm sleeping). I already have enough shit to do every time I go to bed and wake up, I don't need that added to my daily overhead. I was *sooo* glad when the project I was doing ended and I got to send back the damn things (they were loaners) to the guy I was working for. Although, I probably will pick up a used WiFi-only Android at some point for development and because an internet-connected PDA does come in handy. I just wish that instead of Google iClone they were running some sort of PalmOS 9 or something (a modern version of the Palm Zire 71 with a multi-tasking wifi-internet-capable version of PalmOS 6 would make me geek out). And with a proper resistive screen and built-in stylus slot, none of that imprecise capacitive shit. And *real* freaking buttons (Even Android's gotten rid of the few buttons they used to have.) At least Android actually has a task manager that lets you kill off misbehaving apps and things that shouldn't be running that are taking up 50MB of RAM for no good reason. On my old iPod, I'd have to hard-reset every few days 'cos some misbehaving app would soak up 100% RAM and 100% CPU and the thing would brick. Yea, that's one of the zillions of things that bug me about iOS/Android: There's no equivalents to the taskbar or close program buttons. Sure, they both have something that pretends to be like a taskbar, but on Android it tosses in recently used stuff with no indication which ones are actually running. And on iOS - well, it *might* be working like a taskbar, but honestly I never could really tell what the hell its semantics were. I was always just *guessing* that it was the list of running programs...which made me wonder why it would (apparently?) keep freaking *everything* I was done using running in the background (at least, as far as I could tell). They're too damn opaque. At least Android actually has a decent task manager. It's just too bad you have to dig so far to get to it, which prevents it from being a real taskbar substitute. *And* I can actually write my own apps for Android without needing to buy a Mac just to install the dev tools. Amen to that. BTW, if you don't mind using a proprietary toolkit (Marmalade: http://madewithmarmalade.com), you *can* develop iOS stuff without ever having to touch a Mac. But to put it on your actual device you still have to pay Apple's Developer iRansom (well, or better yet just jailbreak the stupid thing instead). Last I heard you do still have to use a Mac to submit to the App Store, and again, you have to use that one particular proprietary toolkit (which also means no D), but at least it's *possible* to make iOS stuff without putting up with OSX. The only thing missing now is a working D dev environment for Android. Once I have *that*, then perhaps the smart in smartphone will be forgiveable, for once. :-P Yea, I really look forward to that, too.
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On Saturday, 6 July 2013 at 21:09:59 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote: but I found that I *still* have to recharge once a day 'cos of the battery drain from all those advanced features that were never there in the old phone. Sigh... I heard, wifi consumes the lion share of battery charge, try to disable it.
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On Sat, 2013-07-06 at 08:13 -0700, H. S. Teoh wrote: […] Y'know, I've always found correct-as-you-type features extremely annoying. I encountered it first in MS Word, and it annoyed me so much I crawled back into my Vim cave. :-P When I upgraded to a smartphone, I decided to give it an honest try ... but after about half a year or so, I'm starting to regret it. I mean, it's nice that once in a while you can just type approximately and it will correctly guess what you intended. But other times, it makes the wrong guesses and completely mangles your text -- but you're so accustomed to it that you don't notice the mistake until it's too late! And yet other times, it will add random nonsense words to your custom dictionary just because you hit the wrong sequence of keys by accident. (Mistype a word, hit space, get the wrong guess, hit backspace, get the mistyped word back, erase a few characters, then accidentally hit space instead of, say, B, and now the *partial* mistyped word is in your dictionary. Wonderful.) I'm feeling quite tempted to turn off the feature, right now. On my Android phone, I am finding Swype to be extremely good most of the time. I tried the free tester and was sufficiently happy to pay money. I will be renewing the subscription which is of course the real test of happiness. Pop-up in IDEs are however another matter, they are so wrong so much of the time that I tend to switch them off or ignore them if I cannot do this – which is surprisingly difficult in some IDEs. -- Russel. = Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: rus...@winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype: russel_winder signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
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On Sun, 2013-07-07 at 09:38 +0200, Kagamin wrote: […] I heard, wifi consumes the lion share of battery charge, try to disable it. WiFi can be a big battery drain, but so is the screen, and (perhaps most importantly) the mobile aerial. The second of these is perhaps obvious, the first and third depend on distance to the receiver since the output signal of the phone is variable, the mobile signal much more than the WiFi. If a phone is continually searching for a mobile base station battery power will plummet. -- Russel. = Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: rus...@winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype: russel_winder signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Poll: how long have you been into D
On 07/06/2013 02:20 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: On Fri, 05 Jul 2013 23:48:40 -0700 Jonathan M Davis jmdavisp...@gmx.com wrote: On Saturday, July 06, 2013 08:36:31 Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: Typing replies on a smartphone seems to carry a bit of a cost in textual accuracy :-( Typing on smartphones is hell. I generally try and avoid it unless I absolutely have to. +1k. I genuinely miss Palm's Graffiti 1...Thanks, Xerox! (And tactile inputs in general, which Apple killed off and everyone else now idiotically apes.) I like being able to, for example, switch songs and adjust volume while driving or walking without having to bury my head in a tiny screen to do so, like some twitter-obsessed social-whore Millennial. Anyway, typing on a mobile device was more or less a solved problem until that sack of shit Steve Jobs moronically convinced everyone that physical buttons and styluses were bad things (Remember, that was the same dumbass who was convinced that Ctrl-Click was simpler for average users than Right-Click, and that Hold Up For 5 Seconds was a more sensible way to turn a device off than a power button or switch). And so *now* PDAs (erm, I mean smartphones) are horrible to type on. Please, I still have a physical keyboard on my new smartphone. Put your money where your mouth is.
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On Sunday, 7 July 2013 at 17:37:37 UTC, 1100110 wrote: Please, I still have a physical keyboard on my new smartphone. Put your money where your mouth is. I must admit it becomes increasingly harder to find ones. I am not ware of a single new model that has both physical keyboard and less than 4.5 screen. Any hints?
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On Sunday, 7 July 2013 at 17:37:37 UTC, 1100110 wrote: On 07/06/2013 02:20 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Anyway, typing on a mobile device was more or less a solved problem until that sack of shit Steve Jobs moronically convinced everyone that physical buttons and styluses were bad things (Remember, that was the same dumbass who was convinced that Ctrl-Click was simpler for average users than Right-Click, and that Hold Up For 5 Seconds was a more sensible way to turn a device off than a power button or switch). And so *now* PDAs (erm, I mean smartphones) are horrible to type on. Please, I still have a physical keyboard on my new smartphone. Put your money where your mouth is. Yep, it's out there, well-reviewed too, though you _will_ have to put some money on it: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-BlackBerry-Q10-Smartphone.95264.0.html Personally, I got my first real smartphone a couple months back and I don't see why anyone would want to type on these things in the first place. I do a little bit to load some webpages or dial a new phone number occasionally, but that's about it. I don't understand why one of these mobile apps doesn't do voice messages instead, who the hell wants to type their messages out? It's a step backwards from voice mail, even considering the shitty voicemail boxes that most telcos provide. Anyway, everybody uses apps like Whatsapp these days, so you could just record voice messages on the app. Maybe you can't speak your message out loud occasionally, privacy or sensitive information, so you could add text messages as a fallback, but I don't understand the current fascination with low-bandwidth typing when we have higher-bandwidth voice on all these phones.
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On Sunday, 7 July 2013 at 17:44:20 UTC, Dicebot wrote: On Sunday, 7 July 2013 at 17:37:37 UTC, 1100110 wrote: Please, I still have a physical keyboard on my new smartphone. Put your money where your mouth is. I must admit it becomes increasingly harder to find ones. I am not ware of a single new model that has both physical keyboard and less than 4.5 screen. Any hints? http://www.sonymobile.com/gb/products/phones/xperia-pro/gallery/ or any other sony phone with pro in the name. I used to have the xperia-mini-pro and was very pleased with it, but the small screen got annoying. I guess none of them count as that new though.
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On Sunday, 7 July 2013 at 17:56:58 UTC, John Colvin wrote: I guess none of them count as that new though. Yeah, Android 2.3 has some legacy smell :) Looks nice, wish they released something similar but with fresh h/w and OS. Still may work with some cyanogen magic, thanks!
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On Sunday, 7 July 2013 at 17:44:20 UTC, Dicebot wrote: I must admit it becomes increasingly harder to find ones. I am not ware of a single new model that has both physical keyboard and less than 4.5 screen. Any hints? Blackberry Q10 = 3.1 with 720 x 720 resolution: http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2013/06/23/youre-going-to-love-the-blackberry-q10-or-hate-it/ But be careful, because for what I saw, BB is in trouble to achieve Google and Apple's success: http://money.cnn.com/2013/06/28/technology/mobile/blackberry-earnings/index.html Matheus.
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On Sunday, 7 July 2013 at 18:09:24 UTC, MattCoder wrote: Blackberry Q10 = 3.1 with 720 x 720 resolution: Any piece of hardware I can't install some custom tweaked OS on is not an option and RIM attitude has always sucked hard in that regard. That is not something I will support with my money.
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On Sun, Jul 07, 2013 at 02:38:15AM -0400, Nick Sabalausky wrote: On Sat, 6 Jul 2013 14:08:20 -0700 H. S. Teoh hst...@quickfur.ath.cx wrote: I resisted upgrading to a smartphone for many years (people used to laugh at me for carrying around such a prehistoric antique -- to a point I took pride in showing it off to the kids), until the battery life started to wear out and require charging once a day. Finally I succumbed to my phone company who kept bugging me about upgrading (and of course, I chose an Android instead of an iPhone). Well, it's nice to upgrade, I suppose, but I found that I *still* have to recharge once a day 'cos of the battery drain from all those advanced features that were never there in the old phone. Sigh... Yea. I don't accept that smartphones are really phones. They're PDA's with telephony tacked on. Ah, what's in a name? If they want to call PDA's with telephony smartphones then so be it. I wouldn't sweat it with names that are arbitrary anyways. Not saying that's necessarily a bad way to go - it's fine if PDA is your primary use-case. But if you're mainly interested in a phone it's not only complete overkill, but also the wrong set of design compromises. I guess the whole point was to have PDA functionality that included telephony so that you didn't have to carry two devices around? Mind you, having two devices isn't always a bad thing... try looking up something buried deep in the device while talking on the phone, for example. A royal pain when it's the same device! They do, like you say, soak up ridiculous amounts of battery power too. Especially Androids. Really? I didn't find my Android significantly worse in battery usage than my old iPod (and that was an *iPod*, not an iPhone). Or maybe both are equally bad. :-P Maybe it's all the VM/dynamic shit. I did generally get a couple days out of the iPhone (as long as I didn't play Rage), instead of the just *barely* one day I got with the Nexus S (even with the cellular stuff disabled). That may not sound too bad to some people, but with the phones, the near-daily recharging got to feel like an enormous ball-and-chain (not to mention *trying* to turn off the damn sound globally every night so the stupid things wouldn't wake me up for notifications and other shit that I don't care about when I'm sleeping). I already have enough shit to do every time I go to bed and wake up, I don't need that added to my daily overhead. Yeah ever since my wife got an iPhone, our attempts to fall asleep have been constantly interrupted by annoying dings and zings every so often from stray emails, notifications, people sending text messages in the middle of the night for no good reason, etc.. We try to make the best of it, though. I set my morning alarm to a rooster call, and she set hers to dogs barking. A hilarious way to wake up. :-P [...] At least Android actually has a task manager that lets you kill off misbehaving apps and things that shouldn't be running that are taking up 50MB of RAM for no good reason. On my old iPod, I'd have to hard-reset every few days 'cos some misbehaving app would soak up 100% RAM and 100% CPU and the thing would brick. Yea, that's one of the zillions of things that bug me about iOS/Android: There's no equivalents to the taskbar or close program buttons. Sure, they both have something that pretends to be like a taskbar, but on Android it tosses in recently used stuff with no indication which ones are actually running. Just long-click the 'task manager' icon to the front screen and you can fire it up to kill off stray apps whenever you want. :-P And on iOS - well, it *might* be working like a taskbar, but honestly I never could really tell what the hell its semantics were. I was always just *guessing* that it was the list of running programs...which made me wonder why it would (apparently?) keep freaking *everything* I was done using running in the background (at least, as far as I could tell). Yeah I could never figure out what was running in the background on my old iPod. And couldn't find a way to manage background tasks either. It would just run slower and slower until a crawl, and then finally just freeze and fail to respond to anything (or run at 1 screen update every 5 minutes -- completely unusable). Then it's time for the two-finger salute -- power + home for 10 seconds to hard-reboot the contraption. After I got all the data and apps I needed on my Android, I retired the iPod and haven't turned back since. They're too damn opaque. At least Android actually has a decent task manager. It's just too bad you have to dig so far to get to it, which prevents it from being a real taskbar substitute. You *could* just move it to your front screen, y'know! ;-) That's what the home button's for. Two clicks to kill off a misbehaving app (of which there are too many, sad to say -- browsers being one of the frequent offenders).
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On Saturday, 6 July 2013 at 05:33:16 UTC, Manu wrote: The 1 year stat is rather disappointing though... Not enough votes in total for any meaningful statistical inference. There is also probably a bias in favour of more established users as they most likely spend more time here and click through to the poll.
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On Saturday, 6 July 2013 at 06:32:24 UTC, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: established users as they most likely spend more time here and click through to the poll. ... and are MORE LIKELY to click through to the poll. Typing replies on a smartphone seems to carry a bit of a cost in textual accuracy :-(
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On Saturday, July 06, 2013 08:36:31 Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: Typing replies on a smartphone seems to carry a bit of a cost in textual accuracy :-( Typing on smartphones is hell. I generally try and avoid it unless I absolutely have to. - Jonathan M Davis
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On Fri, Jul 05, 2013 at 11:48:40PM -0700, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Saturday, July 06, 2013 08:36:31 Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: Typing replies on a smartphone seems to carry a bit of a cost in textual accuracy :-( Typing on smartphones is hell. I generally try and avoid it unless I absolutely have to. [...] Y'know, I've always found correct-as-you-type features extremely annoying. I encountered it first in MS Word, and it annoyed me so much I crawled back into my Vim cave. :-P When I upgraded to a smartphone, I decided to give it an honest try ... but after about half a year or so, I'm starting to regret it. I mean, it's nice that once in a while you can just type approximately and it will correctly guess what you intended. But other times, it makes the wrong guesses and completely mangles your text -- but you're so accustomed to it that you don't notice the mistake until it's too late! And yet other times, it will add random nonsense words to your custom dictionary just because you hit the wrong sequence of keys by accident. (Mistype a word, hit space, get the wrong guess, hit backspace, get the mistyped word back, erase a few characters, then accidentally hit space instead of, say, B, and now the *partial* mistyped word is in your dictionary. Wonderful.) I'm feeling quite tempted to turn off the feature, right now. T -- The diminished 7th chord is the most flexible and fear-instilling chord. Use it often, use it unsparingly, to subdue your listeners into submission!
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On Saturday, 6 July 2013 at 05:33:16 UTC, Manu wrote: The 1 year stat is rather disappointing though... Perhaps a repost in d.learn would change that.
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On Fri, 05 Jul 2013 23:48:40 -0700 Jonathan M Davis jmdavisp...@gmx.com wrote: On Saturday, July 06, 2013 08:36:31 Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: Typing replies on a smartphone seems to carry a bit of a cost in textual accuracy :-( Typing on smartphones is hell. I generally try and avoid it unless I absolutely have to. +1k. I genuinely miss Palm's Graffiti 1...Thanks, Xerox! (And tactile inputs in general, which Apple killed off and everyone else now idiotically apes.) I like being able to, for example, switch songs and adjust volume while driving or walking without having to bury my head in a tiny screen to do so, like some twitter-obsessed social-whore Millennial. Anyway, typing on a mobile device was more or less a solved problem until that sack of shit Steve Jobs moronically convinced everyone that physical buttons and styluses were bad things (Remember, that was the same dumbass who was convinced that Ctrl-Click was simpler for average users than Right-Click, and that Hold Up For 5 Seconds was a more sensible way to turn a device off than a power button or switch). And so *now* PDAs (erm, I mean smartphones) are horrible to type on.
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On 7/5/2013 6:33 PM, dnewbie wrote: Hi. It's time for the annual poll of the year. Please vote http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=51d766e4e4b03d6de547a64b D started in 1999.
Re: Poll: how long have you been into D
On Sat, 6 Jul 2013 08:13:49 -0700 H. S. Teoh hst...@quickfur.ath.cx wrote: Y'know, I've always found correct-as-you-type features extremely annoying. I encountered it first in MS Word, and it annoyed me so much I crawled back into my Vim cave. :-P When I upgraded to a smartphone, I decided to give it an honest try ... but after about half a year or so, I'm starting to regret it. I mean, it's nice that once in a while you can just type approximately and it will correctly guess what you intended. But other times, it makes the wrong guesses and completely mangles your text -- but you're so accustomed to it that you don't notice the mistake until it's too late! And yet other times, it will add random nonsense words to your custom dictionary just because you hit the wrong sequence of keys by accident. (Mistype a word, hit space, get the wrong guess, hit backspace, get the mistyped word back, erase a few characters, then accidentally hit space instead of, say, B, and now the *partial* mistyped word is in your dictionary. Wonderful.) I'm feeling quite tempted to turn off the feature, right now. Yea, correct-as-you-type is horrible (at least on smartphones anyway, haven't seen it as much elsewhere - on PCs it's usually just auto-*suggest*). I spent most of last year carrying around an iPhone (long story) and the autocorrect got things wrong literally around 50% of the time. I think it was about a month or so that I muddled through with it and then turned it off...which immediately boosted my accuracy considerably. Any kind of smart feature usually ends up being a big 'ol bag of badly-tuned heuristics (or just simply a stupid, presumptuous idea - like the stereo on the 2011(-ish?) Hyundai Elantra *always* turning on *twice* every time you start the car, whether you want it on or not). Or as I like to describe smart features: It's like some jackass deliberately messing around with everything you're trying to do via a secondary keyboard+mouse. Only you can't reach over and smack him ;)
Re: Poll: how long have you been into D
On Sat, Jul 06, 2013 at 04:26:36PM -0400, Nick Sabalausky wrote: [...] Any kind of smart feature usually ends up being a big 'ol bag of badly-tuned heuristics (or just simply a stupid, presumptuous idea - like the stereo on the 2011(-ish?) Hyundai Elantra *always* turning on *twice* every time you start the car, whether you want it on or not). Or as I like to describe smart features: It's like some jackass deliberately messing around with everything you're trying to do via a secondary keyboard+mouse. Only you can't reach over and smack him ;) I remember the old joke that every time you hear the word smart from Microsoft, be on the lookout for something dumb. I resisted upgrading to a smartphone for many years (people used to laugh at me for carrying around such a prehistoric antique -- to a point I took pride in showing it off to the kids), until the battery life started to wear out and require charging once a day. Finally I succumbed to my phone company who kept bugging me about upgrading (and of course, I chose an Android instead of an iPhone). Well, it's nice to upgrade, I suppose, but I found that I *still* have to recharge once a day 'cos of the battery drain from all those advanced features that were never there in the old phone. Sigh... At least Android actually has a task manager that lets you kill off misbehaving apps and things that shouldn't be running that are taking up 50MB of RAM for no good reason. On my old iPod, I'd have to hard-reset every few days 'cos some misbehaving app would soak up 100% RAM and 100% CPU and the thing would brick. *And* I can actually write my own apps for Android without needing to buy a Mac just to install the dev tools. The only thing missing now is a working D dev environment for Android. Once I have *that*, then perhaps the smart in smartphone will be forgiveable, for once. :-P T -- We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true. -- Robert Wilensk
Poll: how long have you been into D
Hi. It's time for the annual poll of the year. Please vote http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=51d766e4e4b03d6de547a64b
Re: Poll: how long have you been into D
On Sat, Jul 06, 2013 at 03:33:07AM +0200, dnewbie wrote: Hi. It's time for the annual poll of the year. Please vote http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=51d766e4e4b03d6de547a64b Wow. Looks like we have a good influx of new D people in the last 2 years. That's a good sign! T -- Never step over a puddle, always step around it. Chances are that whatever made it is still dripping.
Re: Poll: how long have you been into D
The 1 year stat is rather disappointing though... On 6 July 2013 15:24, H. S. Teoh hst...@quickfur.ath.cx wrote: On Sat, Jul 06, 2013 at 03:33:07AM +0200, dnewbie wrote: Hi. It's time for the annual poll of the year. Please vote http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=51d766e4e4b03d6de547a64b Wow. Looks like we have a good influx of new D people in the last 2 years. That's a good sign! T -- Never step over a puddle, always step around it. Chances are that whatever made it is still dripping.
