[digitalradio] WSPR - Freq

[W4LDE-Ron]

The thread and recommendations on other frequencies stop.  I find it so 
interesting on the low power capabilities on 30M
that I am hoping there's also lots of activity on 80/40.

I have seen complaints about using the more common JT65 frequencies so I 
am asking if there is much use on the 80/40m bands and if so where?

WSPR reminds me of using 1-watt using Olivia both on 80 as well as 40 
and having very good results.

73 de
Ron W4LDE

[digitalradio] Need MO WAS award

[W4LDE-Ron]

Apologies if this is off base for the group, but I am relocating in mid 
April and there's one last ARRL award I wanted to accomplish.

All LOTW-WAS,   I need the state of Missouri "MO"  I have QSL cards but 
have not been able to work a LOTW user.

I was going to start bombarding the airways with a CQ-MO but thought I 
would try her first and save the possible QRM for others.

Any "MO" LOTW users out there would work any of the digital modes that 
can help?

Leaving FL after 34 years and relocating to GA south-west of Atlanta.

Get to start all over, that will be fun.

73 de
Ron W4LDE

Re: [digitalradio] automatic signal identification

[W4LDE-Ron]

Sholto,

Thank you for the update, I did not realize MultiPSK had that capability.

73 de
Ron W4LDE


Sholto Fisher wrote:
> Ron & John,
>
> MultiPSK has an analyzer function in it. It can measure baud rate and 
> shift of RTTY & FSK signals. It will also attempt to measure the symbol 
> rate of BPSK signals.
>
> I'm guessing that at 14097 it was either a Packet or Pactor station.
> Pactor comes in 3 varieties I, II & III. MultiPSK will decode Pactor-I 
> but for Pactor II & III you need some very specialized and expensive 
> software/hardware. Currently I know of only Hoka Code 300 and the 
> Wavecom decoders which will even attempt it. Prices range from around 
> $8000 and up!
>
> Outside the ham bands there is little that can be successfully decoded 
> these days. These include Weather FAX, Aviation/WX RTTY (very little 
> nowadays), SITOR (again not much these days), HFDL, GMDSS DSC, Stanag 
> 4285 (usually only test tapes), occasional ARQ-E stations, ALE, CW (eg 
> Cuban spooks) but also some Far Eastern maritime stations still use CW.
>
> Interestingly the Cuban 'numbers stations' are experimenting right now 
> with RDFT and also PSK220F which I believe is only available in MultiPSK
>
> Most "RTTY" stations you hear outside the ham bands are not RTTY at all. 
> They often use a synchronous system and are encrypted so a normal RTTY 
> decoder wouldn't make any sense of it.
>
> MultiPSK can also decode GMDSS DSC messages and VHF ACARS at present.
>
> MultiPSK can be downloaded for free at http://f6cte.free.fr/
>
> 73, Sholto
> KE7HPV.
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> W4LDE-Ron wrote:
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>> John,
>>
>> It is the PK232, I do think that there is that type of software out 
>> there, wish there was.
>>
>> 73 de
>> Ron W4LDE
>>
>> John Lindsay wrote:
>> 
>>> This question has likely been asked previously but I can't find it in
>>> the archives if it has. Is there any multi-mode software that will 
>>> attempt to automatically decode a selected signal? The reason I ask is
>>> there was something on 14097 last night and I tried muultipsk/mixw and
>>> the various modes available on them to attempt a decode but was
>>> unsuccessful. I'm not sure which TNC had it -- MFJ1728 or the PK232MBX
>>> but I remember using the SIAM mode to attempt to decode various modes
>>> that were available in the early 90's.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance
>>>
>>> John
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Re: [digitalradio] automatic signal identification

[W4LDE-Ron]

John,

It is the PK232, I do think that there is that type of software out 
there, wish there was.

73 de
Ron W4LDE

John Lindsay wrote:
> This question has likely been asked previously but I can't find it in
> the archives if it has. Is there any multi-mode software that will 
> attempt to automatically decode a selected signal? The reason I ask is
> there was something on 14097 last night and I tried muultipsk/mixw and
> the various modes available on them to attempt a decode but was
> unsuccessful. I'm not sure which TNC had it -- MFJ1728 or the PK232MBX
> but I remember using the SIAM mode to attempt to decode various modes
> that were available in the early 90's.
>
> Thanks in advance
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> John
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Re: [digitalradio] PropNet and JT65 frequencies

[W4LDE-Ron]

I recommend that they move even higher in the 140-150 segment, PSK runs 
around 141 to 143, RTTY 142 to 145 so I guess if they want to be "nice" 
they could even move higher, what caused them to move down the band?

Ron W4LDE

Sholto Fisher wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am in communication with Ev, W2EV with regards to the current PropNet 
> JT65 contention issue and he has asked what my proposal would be 
> regarding frequency coordination.
>
> PropNet and JT65 both require international potential so this means they 
> both need to be in the small region of 10.140 - 10.150 MHz (carrier).
>
> Currently the frequencies are:-
>
>  From http://www.propnet.org/frequency_grid.html
> 10.138.9 (USB vfo) with offsets from 1300Hz to 1600Hz depending on 
> geographical location.
>
>  From http://hflink.com/jt65/ the JT65 frequency is:
>
> "The JT65A frequency 30metres is 10139.0 kHz USB VFO"
>
> JT65 has a suggested audio frequency center of 1360Hz with the sync tone 
> being at 1270 (approx) and the upper edge is around 1450Hz.
>
> I am aware that the area from 10.140 (carrier) to approximately 10.140.2 
> (carrier) is utilized by the QRSS folks and they would probably not like 
> anything moving down into their segment.
>
> Does anyone in the 30MDG or Digital Radio group have an opinion on where 
> PropNet could find a home on 30m without causing a problem?
>
> I am thinking they either need to go back to where they were or move up 
> to something like 10.141.2 (USB vfo). But would this impact PSK31 DX?
>
> I know the PropNet vs JT65 thing is not at the top of many people's list 
> but it's making JT65 impossible on 30m right now.
>
> 73, Sholto
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Re: [digitalradio] QRV 40m Narrow-Band SSTV

[W4LDE-Ron]

caught a few seconds, you were to quick for me hi, sig 599 plus in Florida

73-Ron


Tony wrote:
> All,
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> QRV on 7076.0 USB - MP73-N narrow band SSTV. 
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> 00:30z 
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> Tony -K2MO 
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Re: [digitalradio] RFI Identification

[W4LDE-Ron]

Tom,

Where are you located since I have heard the same noise, it comes and 
goes, QTH is central Florida.  Next time I hear it I will start turning 
the beam and see what I see as the direction of the noise.  Most of the 
time it seems to shift in frequency where I hear it which would probably 
indicate that its skip and not local.

Ron W4LDE

Tony wrote:
> Howard,
>
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>> I use a portable shortwave broadcast radio to find noise sources
>> 
>
> Good advise - I plan on doing that. See attached picture and audio 
> files.
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> Thanks,
>
> Tony -K2MO
>
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> - Original Message - 
> From: "Howard Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 8:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] RFI Identification
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>   
>> Hello Tony,
>>
>> I use a portable shortwave broadcast radio to find noise sources.  I 
>> just walk around to where it gets stronger, then fades.  I have found 
>> leaky insulators on power poles, etc.  Good Luck.
>>
>> Howard K5HB
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>> - Original Message 
>> From: Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 6:59:02 PM
>> Subject: [digitalradio] RFI Identification
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>> I have an RFI problem that I'm trying to identify. It's a continuous
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>> The noise is spread accross all HF bands and on some days it seems to
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>> The noise appeard suddenly in December and has not stopped. I have a
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Re: [digitalradio] XT2C : Well, a nice LOTW suprise

[W4LDE-Ron]

Andy,

Congratulations, I also received four confirming band/modes including 
the RTTY QSO, nice to see some DX Expo's using LOTW

Ron W4LDE

Andrew O'Brien wrote:
> Details   K3UKXT2C2007-01-15 X40M RTTY7.038   
> BURKINA FASO
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> I don't seriously chase confirmation via cards any more, just QSL the
> folks that send me theirs.  Other than that, I rely on dribs and drabs
> from LOTW.  So today's XT2C card was quite a pleasant surprise.  40M
> no less! RTTY.
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Re: [digitalradio] Anyone own a Mosley TA33 or TA33JR ?

[W4LDE-Ron]

Andy,

I have one up since 1989 (TA-33) maybe I can help, you can reach me off 
line at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

73 de
Ron W4LDE

Andrew O'Brien wrote:
> I acquired an old Tri-band Yagi over the summer, my Autumn project is
> to figure it out and try to assemble it.  Engraved on the traps is the
> word "Mosely" and by looking at some old manuals via the Internet, I
> suspect it is either a Mosley TA33 or a TA33JR.
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> I need some help in identifying which parts telescope in to each other
> .  I have identified  each the reflector/radiator/director traps,  but
> now need to figure out which of the other tubing fits in to the
> sections with the traps.  Unfortunately, the assembly manual does not
> help much since it does not identify the length of the individual
> sections, just the overall lengths.  If you have one of these
> antennas, I would appreciate hearing from you .
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Re: [digitalradio] 30 meter PSK

[W4LDE-Ron]

Problem with using the actual VFO settings is that some might be using 
the high tone set while others are using a low tone set.  Then the 
frequency could be off by as much as 1kc.  I recommend that we all start 
using the VFO plus the audio frequency or waterfall frequency.  That 
would work unless you were using the FSK method to key the rig verses 
the audio input from the sound card.  Looks like we can't please 
everyone, thats why I use the low tones from my rig on FSK-RTTY, usually 
that gets me close to the signal since users of USB-RTTY have a default 
of somewhere from 1000 to 2000hz as there default

Ron W4LDE

John Becker wrote:
> Well really that should be RTTY Amtor and Pactor along
> with some other modes that have fixed offset. Anything
> that operates on LSB. 
>
> Since I only operate HELL and MT63 on the sound card
> and NEVER click but tune by using the big knob. 
>
> See you on the good modes some time.
>
> At 07:20 PM 5/16/2007, you wrote:
>   
>>No John,  Only RTTY of the normal digital modes should be given in the
>> radios dial freq.  Once the waterfalls came around with other modes (PSK
>> ETC) the customary thing is to give the waterfall freq.  I know some do as
>> you, but it has become much the minority that do so.
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Re: [digitalradio] New revsions to K3UK's The Complete Bozo's Guide to HF JT65A

[W4LDE-Ron]

Great job Andy, thanks for your effort.  It's really help me and finally 
made three QSO down on 18120 this afternoon.

Ron W4LDE

Andrew O'Brien wrote:

>A revised version of K3UK's The Complete Bozo's Guide to HF JT65A has
>been released at
>http://www.obriensweb.com/bozoguidejt65a.htm
>
>This contains significant revision and new items.  Thanks to all that
>contributed ideas.
>
>The knowledge base for HF application of WSJT/JT65A is getting to the
>point where most users now know more than me.  I anticipate one more
>revision when I add further details about reading all the info in the
>main graphical display , after that the revisions will be cosmetic
>improvements to the HTML code and alignment of the pictures.
>
>Again, if there is anything just plain stupid or wrong, let me know.
>
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Re: [digitalradio] JT65A - sound card selection

[W4LDE-Ron]

Well guys,

I was a bozo on sound card selection,  plus I had a few senior moments 
on Friday the 13th.  I finally figured out that after correctly setting 
the audio in and out card numbers that you had to restart the program 
!!! for the changes to take effect.  Thanks to all that replied with 
help, I was up and running soon after making the correct selection and 
re-starting.  Hope to make it on the bands today.

A server and bad line of storms predicted for Florida tonight and 
tomorrow morning, there goes ham radio and golf.

Ron W4LDE


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>I have two sound cards, the windows "0" card is my std Windows default
>with speakers connected, the second card "1" is my second 2nd sound card
>and connected to a Microham Keyer for all of my ham radio sound card
>applications.
>
>In the WSJT setup  "Options" screen there is an Audio in and Audio out
>setting, the DOS screen that boots up with WSJT correctly ID's the two
>sound cards but also includes the MS windows mixer.  The mixer shows as
>0, the default card as 1 and the one I use for rig interface as 2.  I’ve
>tried all sorts of manual entries in the audio in and out but can not
>seem to get much response form the screen on the main program or from
>the secondary window.
>
>When I select options on the 2nd waterfall style window and look at
>sound card it seems to default to the default sound card even though I
>think that I have correctly selected the 2nd card.  I can manual
>selected the desired card but it will not stay set for the WSJT.
>
>Anyone out there using a second card for this application?  What is the
>correct audio IN/Out, is it card number or channel number for the card?
>
>Anyone successfully setup a Microham Keyer?  The program successfully
>does PPT through my current setting.
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>windows card to get the correct match,  any recommendations?
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Re: [digitalradio] Re: The Bozo's Guide to HF JT65A has been updated.

[W4LDE-Ron]

Andy,

As a bozo on sound card selection and having a few senior moments on 
Friday the 13th I finally figured out that after correctly setting the 
audio in and out card numbers that you had to restart the program for 
the changes to take effect.  You might want to add this fact to the help 
for bozo's like me.  Great job on helping me get started with the 
software.  Thank you for the time and effort.

Ron W4LDE

Ed Hekman wrote:

>Andy,
>
>Nice work on the document.  I am just a few days behind you on the 
>learning curve.  I was able to get it set up and running with the 
>documentation provided with the software but a few things had to be 
>learned by experience and experimentation.  Your document has all 
>the essential information for the new user and should make this mode 
>useable for many new operators.
>
>I had an exciting introduction to JT65A the day before you published 
>your document.  After reading about this mode on this group for 
>several weeks I finally downloaded and installed it last Friday.  
>Since my computer has multiple sound cards, the information in the 
>DOS window was essential for selecting the correct input and output 
>sound card numbers.  After getting it set up I hit the monitor 
>button and watched the trace for awhile (7076 KHz).  I couldn't hear 
>anything but wondered what that faint line was on the waterfall.  I 
>was astounded when ZS6WN popped up in the text window with -23 dB 
>SNR.  After sending a few replies it was a thrill to see his 
>response.
>
>The only thing I would suggest adding is a little more explanation 
>about how to use the information in the DOS window to select sound 
>card numbers for the input and output with multiple sound cards 
>installed on the computer.
>
>Thanks for your administration of this group and for the document.
>
>Ed
>WB6YTE
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>--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Andrew O'Brien" 
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Re: [digitalradio] LOTW Olivia, not a lot !

[W4LDE-Ron]

It's not that big of a deal to join the LOTW community.

To G'tee that I have a confirmed QSO via an electronic QSL for awards 
was worth the effort for me,  for those that do not really care then I 
suggest that you can use E-QSL.  You can choose to be a authentic or a 
non-authentic station.

I am a member of both E-QSL (gold member) and LOTW

I have more US - States confirmed on E-QSL but more DX confirmed on 
LOTW, actually both with about the same number of QSL's.

I am thankful that we have choices and two excellent services for QSL 
exchange.  When requested I also use the buro's or US mail service and 
always respond to a received card.

Ron W4LDE

Chuck Mayfield - AA5J wrote:

>Andrew O'Brien wrote:
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>>I'm surprised that of all the Olivia QSOs I have logged there are only
>>5 verified via LOTW
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>I think I can understand why.  Why does it have to be so complicated to 
>get a cert with lotw?
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>Chuck, aa5j
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>PS  I am debating whether or not it is more trouble than it is worth, 
>since I do not chase dx.
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>Suggested Calling/Beaconing Frequencies:
>17M: 18103.4
>20M: Primary:14.078.4 Secondary:  14.076.4 Digital Voice: 14236
>30M  Primary:10.142   Secondary   10.144
>40M  Region 2: 7073   Region 1/3:   7039
>80M  Primary : 3583   Secondary:  3584.5 
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Re: [digitalradio] Seasons Greetings

[W4LDE-Ron]

A very Happy Holiday season to all and to you Joe, nice seeing your call

Ron W4LDE

Joe Ivey wrote:

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Re: [digitalradio] Re: New 80m USA Keyboarding Digi Frequencies

[W4LDE-Ron]

Bonnie,

I like your idea but there is a group thats really taking it on the chin 
with your band plan, Our digital cousins, the Gen and Adv CW operators 
prior to 12-15 had 200 KC to operate, now their down to 75, you suggest 
pushing them down between 3525 and 3545 or 20 KC.  1/10 of what they had 
while the other digital modes grab half of the available 100KC segment, 
and with ?KC for automatic operations.   Personnel y I think thats a 
little unrealistic, when a DX CW station comes on below 3525 then the CW 
QSO above take another hit.  Maybe its a sign of the coming times, drop 
CW and make the entire 100KC segment digital, I hope not, no incentive 
to upgrade the license, not having to work for it and therefore 
cherishing the accomplishment and the ticket. 
Unfortunately the new rules will be the rules, lets not forget about the 
CW users whom have as much right to the 100KC segment, lets share the 
frequencies, use the smallest space possible, lowest power for a QSO and 
respect each others use for the gift that we all enjoy.  I would suggest 
that any unattended digital mode be removed form the band plan.  Lets 
respect each others right to enjoy a keyboard to keyboard QSO.

Ron W4LDE .

Bill McLaughlin wrote:

>Hi Bonnie,
>Guess I am not that smart but you seem to be suggesting the "wide" 
>modes (mode being more than 500 Hz) will occupy from 3560 to 
>3600not sure why you think the existing digital mode frequencies 
>will get "pushed" down...for example; 3.587 is considered a Hell mode 
>calling freq by many (various Hell modes but they can work cross 
>mode, as in FM Hell working Feld Hell). Why will this be "pushed" 
>down? I used the term "push" in quotes as I am not sure who is doing 
>the pushing. The digital mode bandwidth on 80 will certainly be 
>compressed and have no idea what the FCC is thinking of in terms of 
>semi-automatic operations (well, have little idea what they are 
>thinking in general!). 
>
>Also consider ops outside the US, will they be "pushed" down 
>also...guess I would not be shocked to see a psk31 station remaining 
>on 3.580...
>
>Thanks es 73,
>
>Bill N9DSJ
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>--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "expeditionradio" 
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>>Some Suggested Keyboarding Activity/CQ/Calling Frequencies 
>>for the new 80 meter band for USA:
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>>BPSK31 = 3545kHz USB (3545.3-3548.0 kHz)
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>>QPSK31/PSK63/125 = 3547kHz USB (3547.3-3550.0 kHz)
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>>MFSK = 3548kHz USB (3548.3-3551.0 kHz)
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>>OLIVIA = 3549kHz USB (3549.3-3553.0 kHz)
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>>PAX/CONTESTIA/DOMINO, etc = 3550kHz USB (3550.3-3554.0 kHz)
>>
>>HELL/FMHELL = 3552 USB (3552.3-3555 kHz)
>>
>>MT63 = 3553 USB (3553.3-3556)
>>
>>RTTY/FSK = 3555+ USB (3555.3-3565 kHz) 
>>
>>Notes:
>>
>>The new FCC subband changes for USA hams go into effect on 15 
>>
>>
>December
>  
>
>>2006. 
>>
>>On 80 meters, Data, and Keyboarding activity will be pushed down 
>>
>>
>lower
>  
>
>>in the band than ever before. CW is allowed in the full 500kHz of
>>spectrum in the 3500kHz to 4000kHz band. But Data and Keyboarding 
>>
>>
>are
>  
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>>limited to only 100kHz of spectrum the 3500kHz-3600kHz subband. It 
>>
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>is
>  
>
>>expected that mainstream CW activity will consume the bottom 40kHz 
>>
>>
>or
>  
>
>>so (excluding nets).
>>
>>In an effort to get us going with some new digital keyboarding 
>>
>>
>calling
>  
>
>>and CQ activity frequencies, I am suggesting the above starting
>>frequencies. Remember, they are simply suggested starting points. 
>>
>>
>The
>  
>
>>3500-3600 kHz 80m Data Subband is "wide open" for operators to go
>>anywhere there is a clear frequency available. :)
>>
>>The suggested frequency list includes USB (upper sideband) and the
>>"actual frequency" range, because many digi texting operators in USA
>>are more familiar with the VFO dial setting.
>>
>>73--- Bonnie KQ6XA
>> 
>>Proposed 80 meter Bandplan 2007 for USA
>>3500-3540 = CW 
>>3540-3560 = Any Mode, 500Hz Bandwidth 
>>3560-3600 = Any Mode 
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Re: [digitalradio] Re: digital modes and THE RADIO

[W4LDE-Ron]

Thats typical with most rigs, I have a FT1000mp and i notice a 
significant variance in Power out depending on where in the passband I 
am, thats why when and before I start a QSO through my CAT interface I 
issue a macro command to move the receiving frequency to where I want it 
in the passband, I do not have to fiddle with the audio settings at all.

Ron W4LDE

Brett Owen Rees VK2TMG wrote:

>I have noticed that my tx power varies depending upon where I am in the
>passband.
>As my radio most likely uses the same crystal filter for tx ssb generation
>as it does for RX filtering
>then one can in a way map the response of the filter. My radio is an Alinco
>DX-77, and I get maximum
>output at about 1800 Hz. Having mapped my filter on TX, I suspect that my
>filter response is not the steep
>sided flat-topped filter response as described in books, but rather is more
>of a bell shape.
>
>Has anyone else noticed a variation in power output across the waterfall?
>
>73 de Brett
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Re: [digitalradio] digital modes and THE RADIO

[W4LDE-Ron]

Rick,

Yes I had trouble printing 100% of what Mac WN3C was transmitting during 
the inital 8/500 contact, we did go to 16/500 and the print came back to 
90%.

After discussing the settings with Mac it became apparent that there was 
several issues that was causing problems on Mac's end.  The amount of 
drive, the DSP settings, et.  What I forgot to mention to him was turn 
off the audio processing, occasionally I have left it on and have had 
troubles.

I have operated Olivia for almost two years, on 80-40-30 and 20 meters 
and I can honestly say most QSO's are 100% copy regardless of the bit 
and width settings.

I have worked stations running less than one watt on both 40 and 80 
meters as an experiment and received 100% copy on both ends.

I think that the biggest problem with the new rigs and digital soundcard 
software is,  how to setup the rig as you have concluded and so stated.  
People are still looking for some ALC when they should adjust none, no 
processing at all and at reduce power.  The other problem is there 
choice of operating tones with respect to the passband of the 
transmitter.  One should look at the waterfall display for the mode 
there using (USB) and use the center of the passband where there is 
little chance of clipping when transmitting.

The software writers have made digital easy to use, now its our turn as 
operators to understand what mode, what width and at what power level 
can provide the best communications for the given conditions.  It was a 
new learning experience for me and I have just scratched the surface.  
Its fun and thats another reason I have been a HAM since 1957.  Heck if 
you hear us on again please jump in and say hello, we need more round 
tables and activity on 30 meters.

73
Ron W4LDE

KV9U wrote:

>As Doug Smith has pointed out, the group delay issue on amateur gear can 
>be challenging, even with training. The ionosphere is very unforgiving. 
>Any tests you can do would be great. Have you considered discussing this 
>with the Digital Voice Working Group at ARRL? They have gone through 
>quite a bit of review on this and have also criticqued several different 
>digital voice protocols, some of which can be used for either voice or 
>data.
>
>You are probably already aware that ARRL publishes committee reports 
>under the announcements part of the arrl web site. Then you can look for 
>updates by year on the Technology Task Force or working group reports 
>HSMM, Digital Voice, SDR, etc.
>
>I was listening to W4LDE and WN3C on Olivia just now. In fact they were 
>just signing off when I started writing this message and are wondering 
>if anyone has had problems with using Olivia with the faster baud rates 
>on 30 meters as they were experiencing a few minutes ago when they were 
>using the 8-500 mode. I was copying both stations fairly well until 
>signals got weaker on one of them. They switched to 16-500 with a 
>significant improvement for them and for me to copy them as well. 
>However, Olivia is under 20 wpm in that mode and is excruciating slow 
>from my perspective.
>
>73,
>
>Rick, KV9U
>
>
>
>
>Mark Miller wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Rick,
>>
>>Yes group delay is an issue, but with adaptive training this too can be 
>>overcome.  Sound cards, or external modems using DSP or preferably FPGA's 
>>would be a fine compliment to most amateur gear.  The SDR (software defined 
>>radio) that Jose mentioned will be the best solution going forward for more 
>>exotic modems. These modems would be an integral part of the radio.
>>
>>I was looking for a good way to test group delay, and was thinking of 
>>generating an FM signal with 3 to 5 KHz deviation and looking for an 
>>envelope at the output of the receiver.  Does that sound ok?  The signal 
>>generator is an HP 5640B.
>>
>>73,
>>
>>Mark N5RFX
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>>Another thing that I came across in my web searching was that amateur
>>>equipment generally has group delays that make it difficult to even
>>>employ some of the modems we have been discussing.
>>>   
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Re: [digitalradio] digital RTTY software question

[W4LDE-Ron]

Try this http://www.dxzone.com/cgi-bin/dir/jump2.cgi?ID=11065 and or 
http://www.mixw.net/

Ron W4LDE

doc wrote:

>Can someone help Bob out?
>
>doc
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> Original Message 
>Subject: GB> digital RTTY software question  (OT)
>Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:17:10 -0500 (CDT)
>From: Bob Roehrig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: glowbugs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
>Sorry for this question but I am looking for a program called "olivia".
>Anyone know where to get it?
>
>   Bob Roehrig
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Re: [digitalradio] Need Cluster Test

[W4LDE-Ron]

No Problem in Central Florida, worked great

Ron W4LDE


John Becker wrote:

>No problem here.
>It was slow but I did get logged onto the system
>only had to do it once.
>
>At 08:08 PM 4/4/06, you wrote:
>  
>
>>Risto W6RK and I are testing the linking of my digital modes DX Cluster
>>with his web interface digital spotting page.  He is experiencing a
>>situation where , when he attempts to log in, he has to log in twice
>>for it to work.  Can someone test the telnet://cluster.dynalias.org
>>connection and let me know if you can successfully with just one
>>attempt?
>>
>>Andy K3UK
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Re: [digitalradio] Soundcard mystery.

[W4LDE-Ron]

Mel,

Is it possible that you start on a different audio frequency and that 
the passband on the rig behaves differentially?  Try different frequency 
settings on the same band example 75o hz, 1000hz 1500 hz and notice the 
difference in drive levels needed for the same power out.

Ron W4LDE


Mel wrote:

>Hello everyone,
>
>I know nothing about computers and soundcards so can anyone explain 
>why I have this problem? I use Quickmix to hold the correct PSK 
>settings for each band I operate, and this works mostly OK, with one 
>exception, and that is 20 metres.
>
>I have to disconnect the rig after every operating session because my 
>shack is in the garden. Each time I re-connect the rig, I load the 20 
>metre setting, and every time I have to re-adjust it. Quickmix sets 
>it in the same place then I find the ALC is showing so I make the 
>correct adjustment and re-load the new setting into Quickmix and then 
>everything is OK
>
>The following day I have to go through the same procedure again, but 
>only on 20 metres. Why should the VOL setting on the PC be OK for 20 
>metres one day, but not the next.?  Sometimes the variation in the 
>setting on the VOL scale is quite noticeable.I use an ACC1 cable. Its 
>not a big problem, its just irritating.
>
>Mel G0GQK
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Re: [digitalradio] Is PSK superior to Olivia?

[W4LDE-Ron]

John,

Although I am also a Windows based user there is a program out there 
that allow you to boot up in a Linux mode and use software that runs on 
that plateform.  Harv AI9AL has a HamShack disk (All linnux) thats runs 
on Knoppix which provides for windows operation currently with Linux 
programs.  Look up his site and or check out Knoppix for more 
information.  I have used it and it works FB

Ron W4LDE




John Bradley wrote:

> only problem is that PSK mail is only available in Linnux so far, 
> which cuts out 95% of computer users.
>  
> would be nice to see it in Windows sometime soon, since I'm not about 
> to switch OS. Any word on that?
>  
> John
> VE5MU
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Rein Couperus 
> *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> 
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 18, 2006 3:39 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [digitalradio] Is PSK superior to Olivia?
>
>
> PSKmail has 0% garbage, and fills in the deep qsb we have here. I
> have tried MFSK, but where PSK does not come through anymore, MFSK
> cannot do it either.
>
> I have 6 weeks experience now with a steady pskmail link to the
> internet via SM0RWO, 2200 km from my portable qth in Spain
> (fishing rod with wire on top of my RV). The average throughput
> has been 40 wpm (including qrm, radar, jamming, qsb and what have
> you) with 0% error, within a 100 Hz bandwidth. PSKmail will just
> slow down and reduce block size automatically when trouble arizes.
>
> I can assure you Olivia or MFSK can not do this. I have even been
> able to work through olivia qso's bluntly started on top of our
> qso. And can you show me how to do a Google search with your
> Olivia machine?
>
> By the way, in keyboard mode pskmail gives you psk31 speed with 0%
> errors...
>
> 73,
>
> Rein, EA/PA0R/P
>
> see also http://pskmail.wikispaces.com/QRM
>
>  
>
> digitalradio@yahoogroups.com schrieb am 18.02.06 05:40:59:
>
> My experience has been that Olivia is better under weak signal
> conditions. Slower and '"wider" but less missed/garbage
> characters.  Also a little easier to "spot" a signal in the
> waterfall that can not be heard by the ear because it is wider.
>  
>  
>  
> Andy K3UK
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>
>  
> On 2/17/06, *expeditionradio* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Could someone please point out what advantage Olivia has?
>
> Or how to operate or configure Olivia to ge! t an advantage
> over PSK?
>
> Maybe my equipment isn't set up right to discover the Olivia
> advantage.
> I have been running Olivia for a while, but I have not found any
> advantage over BPSK or QPSK. Note: I have not done any testing, or
> side-by-side comparisons... just regional and DX QSOs near the
> noise
> floor.
>
> Olivia requires more bandwidth than standard PSK31 or PSK63.
> Even a standard PSK31 seems to get through as good or better
> than what
> I've found with Olivia. PSK63 seems plenty fast enough for most
> keyboarding.
>
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Re: [digitalradio] The UK Amateur Radio Band Plan

[W4LDE-Ron]

It's nature Kevin, please forgive us.  We will catch up to the rest of 
the world some day!

Ron W4LDE


Kevin O'Rorke wrote:

>I have been following this thread about band blans since its inception, 
>with great intere
>st, and I wonder why it is that the US hams seem to think that the world 
>starts and finishes in the USA.
>There is an awfull lot of world outside of the "States". The US hams 
>seem to think that any country that has band plans different to theirs 
>are wrong!!
>Our band plans are very similar to those of the UK.
>
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Re: [digitalradio] Re: K3UK Telnet Address

[W4LDE-Ron]

Andy,

No response at 14:10 UTC

Ron W4LDE

obrienaj wrote:

>Hmm, no connects today.  I will reboot the software and also reboot 
>the router , please test.
>
>Andy K3UK
>
>--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Bill Aycock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>Andy- I AM on 23-- I get a "connected" indication which lasts for 
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>7 
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>>seconds- then "disconnected".
>>It will echo my call, but has no other response.
>>I was one of the first to get a good connection when you changed 
>>addresses, but-- nothing now.
>>The cluster window and connection work fine on Logger32-  
>>
>>
>128.192.52.40 
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>>port 599. The same cluster connection works when I do it manually.
>>Bill-W4BSG
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>>Andrew O'Brien wrote:
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>>>telnet://cluster.dynalias.org   port should be 23
>>>
>>>On 2/3/06, *Bill Aycock* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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>>>I get NO response either.
>>>Bill
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Re: [digitalradio] Re: K3UK Telnet Address

[W4LDE-Ron]

Its 22:55 and I can not connect to the cluster Andy,  Problems here or 
there?

Ron W4LDE


obrienaj wrote:

>Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org  is the address you enter.
>
>Andy K3UK
>
>-- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Giella KN4LF" 
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>>Anyone know the exact address to type into the telnet window in 
>>
>>
>MixW to access the K3UK Digital Telnet? I guess the port is 4?!
>  
>
>>Also my WWV data is no longer updating in the DX Cluster window. I 
>>
>>
>have /dxs/wwv250.html? in the WWV Page box and it seems to be the 
>correct address?!
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>>73,
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>>Lakeland, FL, USA
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Re: [digitalradio] Re: Spot digital frequencies

[W4LDE-Ron]

Just slide up around 10.138 and a center frequency for the audio at or 
about 1000HZ, for the DX stay up above 10.140 when running a 500HZ width 
mode like Olivia.

Sometimes you will run into a packet signal so try and give them some 
room, 30 meters is a great band but like you said there isn't to much 
activity on that band.  I have called CQ's until I am blue in the face, 
next time I'll try using the transceiver hi.

Maybe we can get some more digital activity on 30 meters, I have heard 
RTTY, MFSK and PSK with very little from MT63 and  Olivia.  Maybe 
DominoEX can provide some fun.

Ron W4LDE


Jerry W wrote:

>Rick,
>
>One problem with 10.130 in the evening, a very strong FSK signal
>(foreign government or commercial origin?) difficult to filter it out
>at least in South St Paul, MN.
>
>Jerry  -  K0HZI
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>
>
>--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, KV9U <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Because we have so many active digital hams on this group, is it 
> possible that we could outline specific spot calling/operating 
> frequencies for the digital modes on bands that are not as common to 
> find digital signals?
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>  
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>>I never have much luck on 30 meters when I call. Is it possible that
>>
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>we might make 10.130 the spot frequency for digital on 30 meters and
>then if there is more activity, just move up? And I don't mean PSK31
>as I  rarely operate that mode and prefer wider modes with much more
>robust 
> performance.
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> 73,
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> Rick, KV9U
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Re: [digitalradio] need cluster testers

[W4LDE-Ron]

Works Great at 13:54 1-15-06

Ron W4LDE


obrienaj wrote:

>If you have a chance to try connecting to
>
>Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org 
>
>I would appreciate it.  I am not sure I fixed the problem but I have 
>at least got outgoing things such as Echolink working whereas earlier 
>it was not successfully port forwarded.
>
>Andy.
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>Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to  66.24.209.78
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Re: [digitalradio] test the digitalradio DX Cluster's new address,

[W4LDE-Ron]

Andy,

Tried at 13:55 and could not connect

Ron W4LDE

Andrew O'Brien wrote:

> I need people external to my network to test the digitalradio DX 
> Cluster's new address,
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> Telnet net to
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> Andy K3UK
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