[digitalradio] 160M PSK activity?
Been trolling the low end of 160M for a while, is there any PSK users on 160M? Gary Mitchelson N3JPU Montgomery Co. MD FM19 http://www.mitchelson.org/
Re: [digitalradio] 160M PSK activity?
There was some last night on 1807-1810 On Jan 6, 2008 6:26 PM, Gary - N3JPU [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Been trolling the low end of 160M for a while, is there any PSK users on 160M? Gary Mitchelson N3JPU Montgomery Co. MD FM19 http://www.mitchelson.org/ -- Andy K3UK www.obriensweb.com (QSL via N2RJ)
[digitalradio] 160m
hello all will be qrv tonight around 1810kc for any digi mode qso's. starting somewhat near sunset here in NC. grid FM15mm. barefoot with hygain 18ht over near perfect silicon dioxide. david/wd4kpd
Re: [digitalradio] 160M digital meeting place
I have been using the bottom part of 160, since I started with 160, without anyone complaining. That is, after we were allowed the whole of the band, and didnt have to fiddle around trying to stay out of the radio location areas. Those were a real pain, having been in different portions of the band, for different areas of not on the country, but the world. Back then, having a DX window, etc. made some sense, but no longer does. take DX where ever it is. I have had people come in and say I am in the DX window, when I am working DX. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk - Original Message - From: KV9U [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] 160M digital meeting place Danny, If we don't stay with the bandplans, then we can be sited by the FCC for not following good amateur practice. The ARRL Bandplan is the defacto bandplan for the U.S. That is why I don't venture out of the digital part of 160 meters when using digital text modes. Ideally, CW stations should not be using 1800-1810 as that is reserved for digital modes. The bandplan does permit CW there, of course, but that is because CW has special dispensation yet across most all of the ham bands (except 60 meters) here in the U.S. If you set your dial frequency to 1808 USB and put your signal at 1000 Hz on the waterfall, you are really operating on 1809 and that is getting very close to the CW QRP frequency of 1810. An alternative frequency could theoretically be the 1.995 - 2.000 experimental area, but that is right close to the 1.999 beacon frequency. Do I agree with these bandplans for 160? No I do not, but we would have to get them changed to our liking if we wanted to operate differently. What I really would like to see is narrow band modes (CW, PSK31) at the bottom of the bands, medium digital modes ~ or 500 Hz (RTTY, DEX, MFSK16) above that, and wide band digital 1000 Hz above that and below voice frequencies. But that is not possible at this time because the FCC has continued to divide by type of mode rather than bandwidth. I am not too worried about missing any DX on 160 and consider it lucky to copy stations within a 1000 miles or so:) 73, Rick, KV9U Danny Douglas wrote: Again, I see no reason why we would want digital signals down that low in such a wide band. That first 25 KC or so is used heavily by CW stations both here and DX. I dont care what someone else arbitraily decided was the bandplan for digital. Those bandplans are NOT worldwide, and until they are, they make no sense DX wise. We should go with the flow. Its the same with mixing SSB all up and down the band, just makes no sense. I also dont see why we even need to mention where your, or my, VFO is set. Simply give the final freq where the signals will be in the waterfall. Each of us has different offset, according to our own equipment, and all that does is confuse the issue. IF I spot something on 1.876, that is where it is on the waterfall, and if your software doesnt take you there automatically (very unlikely it wont) then its up to you to figure out your offset. It is certainly the one item that confuses new people when they get into digital radio, because they are seeing spots listed every which way. The great majority of software packages (including every one I have used) takes the offset into consideration and properly sets the VFO and then the tracking mark on the waterfall falls right on the proper spotted freq. You can almost bet someone doesnt know how to set their offset, or spot correctly, when you see them spot exactly on 14.070 or 14.069 every time. Thats their VFO freq, and the real station is someplace a few cycle to hundreds of cycles from that. Announce your digital presence via our DX Cluster telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Our other groups: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dxlist/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup http://groups.yahoo.com/group/contesting http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wnyar http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Omnibus97 Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.17.39/686 - Release Date: 2/14/2007 7:54 AM
[digitalradio] 160M digital meeting place
guessing the freq is around 1807, but when ? david/wd4kpd
Re: [digitalradio] 160M digital meeting place
I wonder if group members might want to use 1808 KHz as the frequency for 160 meter digital modes. And that means the actual frequency. With the ease of seeing the bandwidth on waterfall displays, I favor centering on the frequency. This means that you need to put your dial frequency at the appropriate point to have the transmitted frequency in the correct location. Since I need to center on 1500 Hz up in the passband, I would need to set my equipment for 1806.5 KHz so that my transmitted signal is actually on 1808. If you center on 1000 Hz, then you would need to place your dial frequency on 1807. Bottom line is that the frequency should always be the actual transmitted frequency. Last night there were some digital signals here in the midwest U.S., even with some moderate QRN. As far as when, it could be anytime that the D layer is not absorbing too much, and a good time might be when the greyline terminator is approaching your QTH. Of course, close stations, ~100 miles?, should be able to make contacts during the day? 73, Rick, KV9U David Michael Gaytko // WD4KPD wrote: guessing the freq is around 1807, but when ? david/wd4kpd
Re: [digitalradio] 160M digital meeting place
At 08:28 AM 2/14/2007, you wrote: guessing the freq is around 1807, but when ? david/wd4kpd Keep in mind that the PropNet folks are using 1807.5...
[digitalradio] 160m meeting place
would like to do some more on 160mseems you guys are down there, but need to when and where. david/wd4kpd
Re: [digitalradio] 160M digital meeting place
Again, I see no reason why we would want digital signals down that low in such a wide band. That first 25 KC or so is used heavily by CW stations both here and DX. I dont care what someone else arbitraily decided was the bandplan for digital. Those bandplans are NOT worldwide, and until they are, they make no sense DX wise. We should go with the flow. Its the same with mixing SSB all up and down the band, just makes no sense. I also dont see why we even need to mention where your, or my, VFO is set. Simply give the final freq where the signals will be in the waterfall. Each of us has different offset, according to our own equipment, and all that does is confuse the issue. IF I spot something on 1.876, that is where it is on the waterfall, and if your software doesnt take you there automatically (very unlikely it wont) then its up to you to figure out your offset. It is certainly the one item that confuses new people when they get into digital radio, because they are seeing spots listed every which way. The great majority of software packages (including every one I have used) takes the offset into consideration and properly sets the VFO and then the tracking mark on the waterfall falls right on the proper spotted freq. You can almost bet someone doesnt know how to set their offset, or spot correctly, when you see them spot exactly on 14.070 or 14.069 every time. Thats their VFO freq, and the real station is someplace a few cycle to hundreds of cycles from that. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk - Original Message - From: KV9U [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] 160M digital meeting place I wonder if group members might want to use 1808 KHz as the frequency for 160 meter digital modes. And that means the actual frequency. With the ease of seeing the bandwidth on waterfall displays, I favor centering on the frequency. This means that you need to put your dial frequency at the appropriate point to have the transmitted frequency in the correct location. Since I need to center on 1500 Hz up in the passband, I would need to set my equipment for 1806.5 KHz so that my transmitted signal is actually on 1808. If you center on 1000 Hz, then you would need to place your dial frequency on 1807. Bottom line is that the frequency should always be the actual transmitted frequency. Last night there were some digital signals here in the midwest U.S., even with some moderate QRN. As far as when, it could be anytime that the D layer is not absorbing too much, and a good time might be when the greyline terminator is approaching your QTH. Of course, close stations, ~100 miles?, should be able to make contacts during the day? 73, Rick, KV9U David Michael Gaytko // WD4KPD wrote: guessing the freq is around 1807, but when ? david/wd4kpd Announce your digital presence via our DX Cluster telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Our other groups: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dxlist/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup http://groups.yahoo.com/group/contesting http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wnyar http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Omnibus97 Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.17.39/686 - Release Date: 2/14/2007 7:54 AM
[digitalradio] 160m meeting place
where and when is this meeting place on 160m...would like to join in. david/wd4kpd
Re: [digitalradio] 160M digital meeting place
Danny, If we don't stay with the bandplans, then we can be sited by the FCC for not following good amateur practice. The ARRL Bandplan is the defacto bandplan for the U.S. That is why I don't venture out of the digital part of 160 meters when using digital text modes. Ideally, CW stations should not be using 1800-1810 as that is reserved for digital modes. The bandplan does permit CW there, of course, but that is because CW has special dispensation yet across most all of the ham bands (except 60 meters) here in the U.S. If you set your dial frequency to 1808 USB and put your signal at 1000 Hz on the waterfall, you are really operating on 1809 and that is getting very close to the CW QRP frequency of 1810. An alternative frequency could theoretically be the 1.995 - 2.000 experimental area, but that is right close to the 1.999 beacon frequency. Do I agree with these bandplans for 160? No I do not, but we would have to get them changed to our liking if we wanted to operate differently. What I really would like to see is narrow band modes (CW, PSK31) at the bottom of the bands, medium digital modes ~ or 500 Hz (RTTY, DEX, MFSK16) above that, and wide band digital 1000 Hz above that and below voice frequencies. But that is not possible at this time because the FCC has continued to divide by type of mode rather than bandwidth. I am not too worried about missing any DX on 160 and consider it lucky to copy stations within a 1000 miles or so:) 73, Rick, KV9U Danny Douglas wrote: Again, I see no reason why we would want digital signals down that low in such a wide band. That first 25 KC or so is used heavily by CW stations both here and DX. I dont care what someone else arbitraily decided was the bandplan for digital. Those bandplans are NOT worldwide, and until they are, they make no sense DX wise. We should go with the flow. Its the same with mixing SSB all up and down the band, just makes no sense. I also dont see why we even need to mention where your, or my, VFO is set. Simply give the final freq where the signals will be in the waterfall. Each of us has different offset, according to our own equipment, and all that does is confuse the issue. IF I spot something on 1.876, that is where it is on the waterfall, and if your software doesnt take you there automatically (very unlikely it wont) then its up to you to figure out your offset. It is certainly the one item that confuses new people when they get into digital radio, because they are seeing spots listed every which way. The great majority of software packages (including every one I have used) takes the offset into consideration and properly sets the VFO and then the tracking mark on the waterfall falls right on the proper spotted freq. You can almost bet someone doesnt know how to set their offset, or spot correctly, when you see them spot exactly on 14.070 or 14.069 every time. Thats their VFO freq, and the real station is someplace a few cycle to hundreds of cycles from that.
Re: [digitalradio] 160M digital meeting place
John, Most of us simply can not possibly know or even care about any particular use of any particular frequency as long as we are properly operating within our subband and mode. The one exception might be the area of automatic operation around the 14.100 beacons and maybe others in the world wide ITU beacon system. There are literally hundreds upon hundreds of frequencies that various groups use as spot frequencies. They are only available to them if not being used by someone else at the time. 73, Rick, KV9U John Becker wrote: At 08:28 AM 2/14/2007, you wrote: guessing the freq is around 1807, but when ? david/wd4kpd Keep in mind that the PropNet folks are using 1807.5...
Re: [digitalradio] 160M digital meeting place
Rick I don't care either. I don't use PSK myself. the only reason I bring it up it that the PropNet station broadcast a beacon so many times an hour. I just don't want to see a load of whining and crying when someone gets QRM by one oh the propnet station like they did over the pactor station. At 05:22 PM 2/14/2007, you wrote: John, Most of us simply can not possibly know or even care about any particular use of any particular frequency as long as we are properly operating within our subband and mode. The one exception might be the area of automatic operation around the 14.100 beacons and maybe others in the world wide ITU beacon system. There are literally hundreds upon hundreds of frequencies that various groups use as spot frequencies. They are only available to them if not being used by someone else at the time. 73, Rick, KV9U
Re: [digitalradio] 160M digital meeting place
John, Is it your understanding that they are running unattended beacons on 160 meters? Under Part 97 rules here in the U.S., it does not seem that you would be allowed to transmit an unattended beacon on that band. And if you did transmit a beacon, the bandplan calls for 1.999 at the very top of the band. Wouldn't there have to be a live control operator and that operator would need to monitor and be sure the frequency is clear before each transmission? 73, Rick, KV9U John Becker wrote: Rick I don't care either. I don't use PSK myself. the only reason I bring it up it that the PropNet station broadcast a beacon so many times an hour. I just don't want to see a load of whining and crying when someone gets QRM by one oh the propnet station like they did over the pactor station. At 05:22 PM 2/14/2007, you wrote: John, Most of us simply can not possibly know or even care about any particular use of any particular frequency as long as we are properly operating within our subband and mode. The one exception might be the area of automatic operation around the 14.100 beacons and maybe others in the world wide ITU beacon system. There are literally hundreds upon hundreds of frequencies that various groups use as spot frequencies. They are only available to them if not being used by someone else at the time. 73, Rick, KV9U
Re: [digitalradio] 160M digital meeting place
Key word being *unattended* .. I can not speak for the stations on 160 but I do see the reports on the web site. First understanding how this animal works will really help you. I wont go into it here. At 06:27 PM 2/14/2007, you wrote: John, Is it your understanding that they are running unattended beacons on 160 meters? Under Part 97 rules here in the U.S., it does not seem that you would be allowed to transmit an unattended beacon on that band. And if you did transmit a beacon, the bandplan calls for 1.999 at the very top of the band. Wouldn't there have to be a live control operator and that operator would need to monitor and be sure the frequency is clear before each transmission? 73, Rick, KV9U
[digitalradio] 160M 1807.5
at 0315 Z K9NP, VE5MU, and K3GAU on 500/16 olivia ve5mu , John
Re: [digitalradio] 160M 1807.5
I watched the print tonight on 160 and it was not all that good even though signals were 20 over 9 at times from some of the stations. One of the stations mentioned that the copy was rough at times. What do you think would have worked better? Right now QRN has been building this evening with S5 to S-9 on peaks. I see that there are Tstorms just south of us a few hundred miles. 80 meters is also noisy too with S7 to S9 QRN. 73, Rick, KV9U John Bradley wrote: at 0315 Z K9NP, VE5MU, and K3GAU on 500/16 olivia ve5mu , John No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.17.35/680 - Release Date: 2/10/2007 9:15 PM
Re: [digitalradio] 160M 1807.5
probably going to 1000/32. Copied all stations tonight 100% but had them squeezed with a 500hz filter, DSP , and a combination of noise blankers ( I use a TS480SAT both CW filters) pre-amp didn't help, but backing off the rf gain just a little did. The only one that couldn't hear me was K3GAU, who, like you, was closer to the storms in the south. would like to try this with dominoEX or PAX2 John VE5MU - Original Message - From: KV9U To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] 160M 1807.5 I watched the print tonight on 160 and it was not all that good even though signals were 20 over 9 at times from some of the stations. One of the stations mentioned that the copy was rough at times. What do you think would have worked better? Right now QRN has been building this evening with S5 to S-9 on peaks. I see that there are Tstorms just south of us a few hundred miles. 80 meters is also noisy too with S7 to S9 QRN. 73, Rick, KV9U John Bradley wrote: at 0315 Z K9NP, VE5MU, and K3GAU on 500/16 olivia ve5mu , John -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.17.35/680 - Release Date: 2/10/2007 9:15 PM
Re: [digitalradio] 160M DIGI OPS.....do as we say, not what we do
He who tries to inflict political statements on amateur radio is a DAMN FOOL. 73, Chuck, AA5J At 02:26 PM 2/26/2006, you wrote: Its because the ARRL has gone nuts, like Bush. 73 de WB4M Buddy Regards, ChuckM mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~clmayfield http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mayfield Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] 160M DIGI OPS.....do as we say, not what we do
Its because the ARRL has gone nuts, like Bush. 73 de WB4M Buddy - Original Message - From: David Michael Gaytko // WD4KPD [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 2:15 PM Subject: [digitalradio] 160M DIGI OPS.do as we say, not what we do GEE...I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT NOTICED THIS LAST NIGHT !!! A QUOTE FROM ANOTHER REFLECTOR. W1AW has decided to break the ARRL's own bandplan and operate on 1807.5. I have a big problem with this. DXers do not own 160. They can bend a little bit. The ARRL also sets a terrible example. In one breath they open claim bandplans work, in the next breath they move W1AW to a frequency in direct violation of their own bandplan. This is just like when W1AW operated a SSB contest, and W1AW was working local stations on SSB below 1840. How can the ARRL claim bandplans work, and then ignore their own bandplans? Apparently it is OK for the ARRL and DX'ers to tell others one thing, and then do exactly the opposite themselves. Either that or they simply cannot think logically about how their actions appear to others. The ARRL appears to be trying to sabotage the very bandplan they claim makes mandatory mode restrictions unnecessary! Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
