Re: [digitalradio] Ros Use in US ( Urgent )

[Rik van Riel]

On 08/13/2010 07:08 PM, Andy obrien wrote:
> WE9XLQ us not a valid USA callsign

It may not be a ham callsign, but it is a valid callsign...


"EXPERIMENTAL SPECIAL TEMPORARY AUTHORIZATION"

CLASS of Station XD FX

EMISSION Designator SK25J2D

Experition 3:00 AM EST Jan 31 2011.

Call Sign WE9XLQ

-- 
All rights reversed.

Re: [digitalradio] Ros Use in US ( Urgent )

[Andy obrien]

WE9XLQ us not a valid USA callsign

Andy

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Andy obrien  wrote:

> What ?
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Rein A  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> Mr. Ros has just corrected the statement on the official ROS Modem
>> Website regarding ROS use in USA:
>>
>> The FCC allows ROS to be used in the USA
>> 13 August, 2010 by José Alberto Nieto Ros
>>
>> †The FCC allows ROS to be used in the USAâ€
>> only by WE9XLQ
>> Making up for lost ground , showing impressive
>> coverage on the first day of ROS HF later
>> ROS -MF covers 5700 miles to LU with ease.
>>
>> Thank you Jose.
>>
>> We do not want to make your case more complicated then it already is.
>>
>> 73 Rein W6SZ
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] Ros Use in US ( Urgent )

[Andy obrien]

What ?



On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Rein A  wrote:

>
>
> Hello All,
>
> Mr. Ros has just corrected the statement on the official ROS Modem
> Website regarding ROS use in USA:
>
> The FCC allows ROS to be used in the USA
> 13 August, 2010 by José Alberto Nieto Ros
>
> †The FCC allows ROS to be used in the USAâ€
> only by WE9XLQ
> Making up for lost ground , showing impressive
> coverage on the first day of ROS HF later
> ROS -MF covers 5700 miles to LU with ease.
>
> Thank you Jose.
>
> We do not want to make your case more complicated then it already is.
>
> 73 Rein W6SZ
>
>
>  
>

[digitalradio] Ros Use in US ( Urgent )

[Rein A]

Hello All,

Mr. Ros has just corrected the statement on the official ROS Modem
Website regarding ROS use in USA:


The FCC allows ROS to be used in the USA
13 August, 2010 by José Alberto Nieto Ros
 
”  The  FCC  allows  ROS to  be used in the USA”
only by WE9XLQ 
Making up  for  lost  ground , showing impressive
coverage on the  first day of  ROS HF   later
ROS -MF covers  5700 miles to LU with  ease.

Thank you Jose. 

We do not want to make your case more complicated then it already is.

73 Rein W6SZ
 

Re: [digitalradio] ROS HF Path Simulations

[Steinar Aanesland]

 OK, Thanks for your answer :)

LA5VNA Steinar



On 03.08.2010 07:06, Tony wrote:
> Steinar,
>
> I've been monitoring ROS on-the-air and I've done some testing with the 
> HF path simulator. In my opinion, it's about as good as one would expect 
> from an MFSK mode with a relatively slow baud rate. Tests show that it 
> will outperform RTTY and PSK31 in poor channel conditions (most MFSK 
> modes do) but it does not appear to be as robust as Olivia.
>
> For example, it is less tolerant to Doppler spreading than Olivia so 
> it's less likely to do well when the ionosphere disturbed. This is 
> especially true for polar paths and the low-latitude ionosphere where 
> Doppler spread is more of an issue.
>
> While the mode performs well over HF, the additional bandwidth doesn't 
> appear to have any throughput advantage over other modes that use less 
> spectrum. In fact, path simulations indicate that there is no difference 
> in throughput between ROS 500/16 and ROS 2250/16.
>
> Tony -K2MO
>

Re: [digitalradio] ROS HF Path Simulations

[Tony]

Steinar,

I've been monitoring ROS on-the-air and I've done some testing with the 
HF path simulator. In my opinion, it's about as good as one would expect 
from an MFSK mode with a relatively slow baud rate. Tests show that it 
will outperform RTTY and PSK31 in poor channel conditions (most MFSK 
modes do) but it does not appear to be as robust as Olivia.

For example, it is less tolerant to Doppler spreading than Olivia so 
it's less likely to do well when the ionosphere disturbed. This is 
especially true for polar paths and the low-latitude ionosphere where 
Doppler spread is more of an issue.

While the mode performs well over HF, the additional bandwidth doesn't 
appear to have any throughput advantage over other modes that use less 
spectrum. In fact, path simulations indicate that there is no difference 
in throughput between ROS 500/16 and ROS 2250/16.

Tony -K2MO

Re: [digitalradio] ROS HF Path Simulations

[Steinar Aanesland]

 OK, is it public ? I can't find anything on digitalradio yahoogroup

LA5VNA Steinar




On 02.08.2010 12:58, Tony wrote:
> On 8/1/2010 7:31 AM, Steinar Aanesland wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tony
>>
>> Have you done some test comparing ros with mods like psk31 , rtty ,
>> olivia etc?
>>
> Yes I have Steinar
>
> Tony -K2MO
>
>
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] ROS HF Path Simulations

[Tony]

On 8/1/2010 7:31 AM, Steinar Aanesland wrote:


Hi Tony

Have you done some test comparing ros with mods like psk31 , rtty ,
olivia etc?


Yes I have Steinar

Tony -K2MO





a5vna Steinar



On 20.07.2010 03:42, Tony wrote:
> All,
>
> With all the attention ROS has been getting lately, I thought it would
be interesting to see how the narrow mode compared to the wide version
under the controlled environment of the HF path simulator. After a few
hours of testing, it seems there's little difference between the two.
>
> The simulator indicated that they both had the same sensitivity
(-15db) and essentially the same poor channel performance
characteristics (see throughput samples below). In no case did one mode
outperform the other to the point where it would make any real
difference; both have the essentially the same wpm rate as well.
>
> These tests are not conclusive, but they do suggest that there may not
be any real advantage in using the wide mode vs narrow under most
circumstances. Of course, the simulator can only emulate the basic
characteristics of the real HF channel so it would be interesting to
hear from those who have compared the two on-air.
>
> Tony -K2MO
>
> __
>
> CCIR-520-2 POOR CHANNEL SIMULATIONS: -11DB SNR
>
>
> ROS 2250 / 16 baud
> the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
> the quick brown fox jumps over the lazlµog
> Lghe quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
> the quccirown fox jumps over the lazy dog
> the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
> Âe quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
> the quick brown fealoeumps ovahe lazEh/i
>
> ROS 500 / 16 baud
> the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
> the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
> the quick breFn fox juo3s over tes lazy dog
> the quæe t ´uls r?umps over the lazy dog
> the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
> the quick brown f Á jumps over the lazy dog
> the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogQo
>

[digitalradio] ROS HF Path Simulations

[Steinar Aanesland]

 Hi Tony

Have you done some test comparing ros with mods like psk31 , rtty ,
olivia  etc?

la5vna Steinar






On 20.07.2010 03:42, Tony wrote:
> All,
>
> With all the attention ROS has been getting lately, I thought it would
be interesting to see how the narrow mode compared to the wide version
under the controlled environment of the HF path simulator. After a few
hours of testing, it seems there's little difference between the two.
>
> The simulator indicated that they both had the same sensitivity
(-15db) and essentially the same poor channel performance
characteristics (see throughput samples below). In no case did one mode
outperform the other to the point where it would make any real
difference; both have the essentially the same wpm rate as well.
>
> These tests are not conclusive, but they do suggest that there may not
be any real advantage in using the wide mode vs narrow under most
circumstances. Of course, the simulator can only emulate the basic
characteristics of the real HF channel so it would be interesting to
hear from those who have compared the two on-air.
>
> Tony -K2MO
>
> 
>
> CCIR-520-2 POOR CHANNEL SIMULATIONS: -11DB SNR
>
>
> ROS 2250 / 16 baud
> the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
> the quick brown fox jumps over the lazlµog
> Lghe quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
> the quccirown fox jumps over the lazy dog
> the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
> Âe quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
> the quick brown fealoeumps ovahe lazEh/i
>
> ROS 500 / 16 baud
>  the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
> the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
> the quick breFn fox juo3s over tes lazy dog
> the quæe  t ´uls r?umps over the lazy dog
> the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
> the quick brown f Á jumps over the lazy dog
> the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogQo
>

AW: AW: [digitalradio] ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster

[Siegfried Jackstien]

>A safety pin on a gun, doesn't make the gun less destructive Sigi...

 

Right but prevents loosing a shot by accident while the gun is in your
pocket

There are still users that do not know what is the soft doing in the
background as not all users read the news (this group and others)

 

If every user switches the function off it is like jose never programmed it

He uses the same triggers for the psk reporter page (map view)

So why not just switch spots off and enjoy the nice view on the map

We can use the programmed (hardcoded) clusters for sending INTERRESTING
spots by hand

So just use what we have with the needed options

I do not like that joses soft is spamming the clusters

As some sysops do not forward ros spots anymore jose has to change them in
every new version

If spots were set to off nobody would be angry about some hand spotted calls

The massive flooding (about 20 + spot per hour) is the problem

So the safety pin is fine 

But in a new installed version the pin is set to "unsafe"

Greetz

Sigi

Re: AW: [digitalradio] ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster

[pd4u_dares]

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Siegfried Jackstien" 
 wrote:
>
> So every user should switch that off and spot only by hand
> 

The programmer shouldn't use clusters to promote his software! That's the whole 
point. Jose Nieto-Ros intentionally misuses propagation tools like DX clusters 
and psk-reporter over the back of his users, who act, by using the software, 
against well established operating practice. 

A safety pin on a gun, doesn't make the gun less destructive Sigi...

José has shown his opportunist intentions clearly by his actions in the past. 
And since "intention" is the basis for "meaning", it shows (me) that he is not 
an ignorant beginning programmer that has to learn from his mistakes, but a 
professional engineer who perfectly knows what he is doing.  And apparently a 
bunch of weekend operators that have made making QRM their hobby: just see how 
often ROS users call on top of packet/pactor/winmor/MT63 stations, and ignore 
when a frequency is in use.


Marc, PD4U

Re: AW: AW: AW: [digitalradio] ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster

[Steinar Aanesland]

 Hi Laurie


Great link! Thanks :)

La5vna Steinar




On 25.07.2010 09:07, Laurie, VK3AMA wrote:
> Yes Dave,
>
> Apart from my test PC virus/malware protection, whenever there is a
> change in an executable or dll I run them through an online scanner
> (20MB file limit) here  http://virusscan.jotti.org/en/
>
> It runs the submitted file through 19 different scanners, with the
> occasional false-positive on one or two. Results of the scans are shared
> with the anti-virus companies.
>
> The site generates a permalink for each file that allows you to
> distribute the scanning results to whomever.
>
> Just ran the 3 executables through the site
>
> Cluster.exe
> 
>
http://virusscan.jotti.org/en/scanresult/7142b3c4c3e3076d5f55aa826a272678a67d1cbb
>
> PSKReporter.exe
> 
>
http://virusscan.jotti.org/en/scanresult/b8e275b738f1634bcc24fa081b1a83eb27e1289c
>
> ROS v4.8.4 Beta.exe
> 
>
http://virusscan.jotti.org/en/scanresult/e6e6238fb976a46d4db4dae564d59c5f2757ab73
>
> de Laurie, VK3AMA
>
>
> On 25/07/2010 1:29 PM, Dave AA6YQ wrote:
>> 
>>
>> Has anyone checked to see whether the ROS code contains a keylogger,
>> trojans, or a rootkit?
>> 73,
>> Dave, AA6YQ
>>
>

Re: AW: AW: AW: [digitalradio] ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster

[Kristoff Bonne]

Laurie,


Then why don't they filter it at the cluster?
Makes more sence, if you ask me.



Cheerio! Kr. Bonne.


Op 25-07-10 04:01, Laurie, VK3AMA schreef:
> Because, outside the US, there is a large EU user-base of ROS users
> contributing a significant of unwanted spam to the Cluster.
>
> de Laurie, VK3AMA
>
> On 25/07/2010 11:28 AM, F.R. Ashley wrote:
>
>
>>>
>> After reading endless posts about this software, I sincerely wonder why in
>> heck anyone is even using it.  What are the chances of giving it a rest?
>>
>> 73 Buddy WB4M
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>> Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>>
>> Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>
> 
>
> http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
> Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>
> Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

<>

RE: AW: AW: AW: [digitalradio] ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster

[Dave AA6YQ]

Thanks, Laurie.

 73,

   Dave, AA6YQ

-Original Message-
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on 
Behalf Of Laurie, VK3AMA
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 3:08 AM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: AW: AW: AW: [digitalradio] ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster


  
Yes Dave,

Apart from my test PC virus/malware protection, whenever there is a 
change in an executable or dll I run them through an online scanner 
(20MB file limit) here  http://virusscan.jotti.org/en/

It runs the submitted file through 19 different scanners, with the 
occasional false-positive on one or two. Results of the scans are shared 
with the anti-virus companies.

The site generates a permalink for each file that allows you to 
distribute the scanning results to whomever.

Just ran the 3 executables through the site

Cluster.exe

http://virusscan.jotti.org/en/scanresult/7142b3c4c3e3076d5f55aa826a272678a67d1cbb

PSKReporter.exe

http://virusscan.jotti.org/en/scanresult/b8e275b738f1634bcc24fa081b1a83eb27e1289c

ROS v4.8.4 Beta.exe

http://virusscan.jotti.org/en/scanresult/e6e6238fb976a46d4db4dae564d59c5f2757ab73

de Laurie, VK3AMA

On 25/07/2010 1:29 PM, Dave AA6YQ wrote:
> 
>
> Has anyone checked to see whether the ROS code contains a keylogger,
> trojans, or a rootkit?
> 73,
> Dave, AA6YQ
>

AW: AW: AW: AW: [digitalradio] ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster

[Siegfried Jackstien]

@rein

Function can be switched off (now) .. So why worry about?

But all user have to switch it off cause after installing it is set to on .

Greetz

Sigi

Dg9bfc

Re: AW: AW: AW: [digitalradio] ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster

[Laurie, VK3AMA]

Yes Dave,

Apart from my test PC virus/malware protection, whenever there is a 
change in an executable or dll I run them through an online scanner 
(20MB file limit) here  http://virusscan.jotti.org/en/

It runs the submitted file through 19 different scanners, with the 
occasional false-positive on one or two. Results of the scans are shared 
with the anti-virus companies.

The site generates a permalink for each file that allows you to 
distribute the scanning results to whomever.

Just ran the 3 executables through the site

Cluster.exe
 
http://virusscan.jotti.org/en/scanresult/7142b3c4c3e3076d5f55aa826a272678a67d1cbb

PSKReporter.exe
 
http://virusscan.jotti.org/en/scanresult/b8e275b738f1634bcc24fa081b1a83eb27e1289c

ROS v4.8.4 Beta.exe
 
http://virusscan.jotti.org/en/scanresult/e6e6238fb976a46d4db4dae564d59c5f2757ab73

de Laurie, VK3AMA


On 25/07/2010 1:29 PM, Dave AA6YQ wrote:
> 
>
> Has anyone checked to see whether the ROS code contains a keylogger,
> trojans, or a rootkit?
> 73,
> Dave, AA6YQ
>

RE: AW: AW: AW: [digitalradio] ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster

[Dave AA6YQ]

Has anyone checked to see whether the ROS code contains a keylogger, trojans, 
or a rootkit?

 73,

  Dave, AA6YQ

   
-Original Message-
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on 
Behalf Of KH6TY
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 7:37 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: AW: AW: AW: [digitalradio] ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster


  
> >Jose uses Cluster Auto-Spots to advertise his software. The more spots,
> >the more it appears to be a popular mode to the uninformed Cluster User.

To me, this attempted deception has been obvious ever since the issue of 
any auto-spots came up.

Isn't there any honesty at all possible with this author! :-(

This wholesale abuse of ham radio traditions and spamming clusters, etc. 
by this author, is just not acceptable, and to my knowledge has never 
been done before.

73, Skip KH6TY

Re: AW: AW: AW: [digitalradio] ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster

[Laurie, VK3AMA]

Because, outside the US, there is a large EU user-base of ROS users 
contributing a significant of unwanted spam to the Cluster.

de Laurie, VK3AMA

On 25/07/2010 11:28 AM, F.R. Ashley wrote:

>>
> After reading endless posts about this software, I sincerely wonder why in
> heck anyone is even using it.  What are the chances of giving it a rest?
>
> 73 Buddy WB4M
>
>
>
> 
>
> http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
> Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>
> Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Re: AW: AW: AW: [digitalradio] ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster

[Laurie, VK3AMA]

Because, outside the US, there is a large EU user-base of ROS users 
contributing a significant of unwanted spam to the Cluster.

de Laurie, VK3AMA

On 25/07/2010 11:28 AM, F.R. Ashley wrote:

>>
> After reading endless posts about this software, I sincerely wonder why in
> heck anyone is even using it.  What are the chances of giving it a rest?
>
> 73 Buddy WB4M
>
>
>
> 
>
> http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
> Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>
> Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Re: AW: AW: AW: [digitalradio] ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster

[F.R. Ashley]

] ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster


>>  >Jose uses Cluster Auto-Spots to advertise his software. The more spots,
>>  >the more it appears to be a popular mode to the uninformed Cluster 
>> User.
>
> To me, this attempted deception has been obvious ever since the issue of
> any auto-spots came up.
>
> Isn't there any honesty at all possible with this author! :-(
>
> This wholesale abuse of ham radio traditions and spamming clusters, etc.
> by this author, is just not acceptable, and to my knowledge has never
> been done before.
>
> 73, Skip KH6TY
>
>
After reading endless posts about this software, I sincerely wonder why in 
heck anyone is even using it.  What are the chances of giving it a rest?

73 Buddy WB4M 

Re: AW: [digitalradio] ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster

[Laurie, VK3AMA]

Under the Skeds menu, then Cluster

de Laurie, VK3AMA


On 24/07/2010 7:26 PM, Steinar Aanesland wrote:
>
>
> Hi Siegfried
>
> I can't find this switch, where is it hiding?
>
>
> LA5VNA Steinar
>
>
>
>
> On 24.07.2010 10:03, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:
>> Autospot can now be turned off with a switch
>>
>> Spotting by hand is possible
>>
>> So jose did some major changes in that way
>>
>> Now we have 2 programms running in background of the soft ros
>>
>> One sends spots to cluster via telnet
>>
>> And the other sends spots to psk reporter page for display them on a map
>>
>> Greetz
>>
>> Sigi
>>
>> Dg9bfc
>>
>>
>

Re: AW: AW: AW: [digitalradio] ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster

[KH6TY]

>  >Jose uses Cluster Auto-Spots to advertise his software. The more spots,
>  >the more it appears to be a popular mode to the uninformed Cluster User.

To me, this attempted deception has been obvious ever since the issue of 
any auto-spots came up.

Isn't there any honesty at all possible with this author! :-(

This wholesale abuse of ham radio traditions and spamming clusters, etc. 
by this author, is just not acceptable, and to my knowledge has never 
been done before.

73, Skip KH6TY

Re: AW: AW: AW: [digitalradio] ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster

[rein0zn]

Lauri,

Why is it, that only a handful of amateurs seem to be concerned about this? 
If people said we do not use the program until this is fixed, I am sure
it would get fixed in an hurry.

73 Rein W6SZ


-Original Message-
>From: "Laurie, VK3AMA" 
>Sent: Jul 24, 2010 6:44 PM
>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: AW: AW: AW: [digitalradio] ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster
>
>Hi Sigi,
>Jose uses Cluster Auto-Spots to advertise his software. The more spots, 
>the more it appears to be a popular mode to the uninformed Cluster User.
>
>Jose, clearly doesn't understand the Ham/Cluster culture.
>Maybe we can change his attitude by passing on these concerns to his 
>Beta-Tester who might be better placed to change his mind.
>
>I know who the Beta-Tester is, email me privately and I will pass on the 
>info (no it is not me, Hi)
>
>de Laurie, VK3AMA
>
>
>On 25/07/2010 5:50 AM, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:
>>
>
>> As we have now the autoreport to pskreporter we do not need the
>> autospots anymore (but jose thinks it is still needed)
>>
>
>
>
>
>http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>
>Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: AW: AW: AW: [digitalradio] ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster

[Laurie, VK3AMA]

Hi Sigi,
Jose uses Cluster Auto-Spots to advertise his software. The more spots, 
the more it appears to be a popular mode to the uninformed Cluster User.

Jose, clearly doesn't understand the Ham/Cluster culture.
Maybe we can change his attitude by passing on these concerns to his 
Beta-Tester who might be better placed to change his mind.

I know who the Beta-Tester is, email me privately and I will pass on the 
info (no it is not me, Hi)

de Laurie, VK3AMA


On 25/07/2010 5:50 AM, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:
>

> As we have now the autoreport to pskreporter we do not need the
> autospots anymore (but jose thinks it is still needed)
>

AW: AW: AW: [digitalradio] ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster

[Siegfried Jackstien]

Glad i could help

 

Iif you do NOT use cat the autogenerated spots on 20m are sent as 14000 . so
not correct

But when sending by hand qrg is correct

I asked jose if he can solve that . that a user without can do not send
wrong qrg . maybe he will find a solution for that

As we have now the autoreport to pskreporter we do not need the autospots
anymore (but jose thinks it is still needed)

So every user should switch that off and spot only by hand

Greetz sigi

 

Re: AW: AW: [digitalradio] ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster

[Steinar Aanesland]

Aha, this switch was not implemented in the version 4.8.2 that I was
testing.

la5vna Steinar



On 24.07.2010 16:23, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:
> Iin the tab skets click on cluster
>
> There you can send spots manually and switch off the autospotting
>
> I let the newest version run for a few hours >>> not autospots were sent
> when switch was off
>
> You can send autogenerated and in downloaded newest version the switch is
> set normally to on . so as the users do not switch it off (or using old
> version) there is the reason for the soft still sending spots
>
> So all users should manually switch that function off ! ! !
>
> Psk reporter sends to the map
>
> Cluster sends to telnet
>
> Ros sends on air and the emails via gmail
>
> As the autospot can now be switched off we have what we wanted ..
>
> What about an autospot configurable by user (only send spots more than
xy km
> distance)
>
> Hope you find that switch hi hi
>
> Greetz
>
> Sigi
>
> Dg9bfc
>
>

AW: AW: [digitalradio] ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster

[Siegfried Jackstien]

Iin the tab skets click on cluster

There you can send spots manually and switch off the autospotting

I let the newest version run for a few hours >>> not autospots were sent
when switch was off

You can send autogenerated and in downloaded newest version the switch is
set normally to on . so as the users do not switch it off (or using old
version) there is the reason for the soft still sending spots

So all users should manually switch that function off ! ! !

Psk reporter sends to the map

Cluster sends to telnet

Ros sends on air and the emails via gmail

As the autospot can now be switched off we have what we wanted ..

What about an autospot configurable by user (only send spots more than xy km
distance)

Hope you find that switch hi hi

Greetz

Sigi

Dg9bfc

Re: AW: [digitalradio] ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi Siegfried

I can't find this switch, where is it hiding?


LA5VNA Steinar




On 24.07.2010 10:03, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:
> Autospot can now be turned off with a switch
>
> Spotting by hand is possible
>
> So jose did some major changes in that way
>
> Now we have 2 programms running in background of the soft ros
>
> One sends spots to cluster via telnet
>
> And the other sends spots to psk reporter page for display them on a map
>
> Greetz
>
> Sigi
>
> Dg9bfc
>
>

AW: [digitalradio] ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster

[Siegfried Jackstien]

Autospot can now be turned off with a switch

Spotting by hand is possible

So jose did some major changes in that way

Now we have 2 programms running in background of the soft ros

One sends spots to cluster via telnet

And the other sends spots to psk reporter page for display them on a map

Greetz

Sigi

Dg9bfc

Re: [digitalradio] ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster - NOT

[Laurie, VK3AMA]

Hi Steinar,

Unfortunately, v4.8.x of ROS still spams the DX Cluster with auto-spots.

Only way to effectively stop is block adif.exe at the firewall.

ROS Auto-Spots too Cluster currently represent 98% of all ROS Cluster 
spots, with ROS representing 6.2% of all Cluster spots (7 day period).

As far as I can tell, ROS software is the only Digital-Mode software 
that doesn't allow the user to turn off auto-spots (to either 
PSKReporter or Cluster) or allow user-selection of Cluster. The user is 
not given any choice. All the other software developers are more 
Ham/Cluster friendly. :(

de Laurie, VK3AMA


On 24/07/2010 2:35 AM, Steinar Aanesland wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> It seems that the latest ROS is not spamming the cluster.
>
> 73 de LA5VNA Steinar
>
>

[digitalradio] ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi all,

It seems that the latest ROS is not spamming the cluster.

73 de LA5VNA Steinar

Re: [digitalradio] ROS HF Path Simulations wide vs. narrow

[KH6TY]

Thanks for the testing Tony. We observe Doppler shifts of as much as 100 
Hz and Doppler spreads around 50 Hz or greater. On SSB phone, a S3 
signal will not be intelligible and you can hear the voice pitch go down 
in a fluttering manner. ROS definitely produces nothing but garbage when 
SSB phone is not understandable, but Contestia will keep on printing 
perfectly.

That is just one more reason that there are better modes than ROS we can 
use, are of much less bandwidth, and equal of better sensitivity.

As someone pointed out, spread spectrum is basically used for encryption 
and has no advantage in disturbed environments.

BTW, it is interesting to note the huge impact of Pawel Jalocha has on 
the use of digital on the ham bands. His SLOPSK development was the 
basis for G3PLX's PSK31, and now, Olivia is the highest performing 
digital mode. It is as if he were the "father" of all we are working 
with today! I wish I knew more about his background.

73, Skip KH6TY

On 7/21/2010 12:15 AM, Tony wrote:
>
>
> On 7/20/2010 3:54 PM, KH6TY wrote:
>
>  >Our on-air tests show that ROS 16 baud, 2200 Hz wide spread spectrum
> was very poor on UHF under Doppler >spreading. Can you confirm this with
> flutter tests like Jaak has done.
>
> Skip,
>
> My path tests show that ROS is less tolerant to Doppler spread than
> Olivia or one of it's variants so I'd have to agree with your on-air
> evaluation. Throughput starts to fail as the Doppler spread is increased
> beyond 20Hz (two channels 2ms delay) and I suspect you could be
> experiencing frequency dispersions beyond that range.
>
> I haven't been able to find any propagation data that shows how much
> Doppler spread is likely take place on VHF/UHF. Wish I knew that answer
> to that.
>
> Tony -K2MO
>
>
>
>> Tony,
>>
>> Our on-air tests show that ROS 16 baud, 2200 Hz wide spread spectrum
>> was very poor on UHF under Doppler spreading. Can you confirm this
>> with flutter tests like Jaak has done on
>> http://contestia.blogspot.com/p/pathsim_09.html
>>  ?
>>
>> 73, Skip KH6TY
>>
>> On 7/19/2010 9:42 PM, Tony wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> With all the attention ROS has been getting lately, I thought it
>>> would be interesting to see how the narrow mode compared to the wide
>>> version under the controlled environment of the HF path simulator.
>>> After a few hours of testing, it seems there's little difference
>>> between the two.
>>>
>>> The simulator indicated that they both had the same sensitivity
>>> (-15db) and essentially the same poor channel performance
>>> characteristics (see throughput samples below). In no case did one
>>> mode outperform the other to the point where it would make any real
>>> difference; both have the essentially the same wpm rate as well.
>>>
>>> These tests are not conclusive, but they do suggest that there may
>>> not be any real advantage in using the wide mode vs narrow under most
>>> circumstances. Of course, the simulator can only emulate the basic
>>> characteristics of the real HF channel so it would be interesting to
>>> hear from those who have compared the two on-air.
>>>
>>> Tony -K2MO
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> CCIR-520-2 POOR CHANNEL SIMULATIONS: -11DB SNR
>>>
>>>
>>> ROS 2250 / 16 baud
>>> the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
>>> the quick brown fox jumps over the lazlµog
>>> Lghe quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
>>> the quccirown fox jumps over the lazy dog
>>> the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
>>> Âe quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
>>> the quick brown fealoeumps ovahe lazEh/i
>>>
>>> ROS 500 / 16 baud
>>> the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
>>> the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
>>> the quick breFn fox juo3s over tes lazy dog
>>> the quæe t ´uls r?umps over the lazy dog
>>> the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
>>> the quick brown f Á jumps over the lazy dog
>>> the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogQo
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: [digitalradio] ROS HF Path Simulations wide vs. narrow

[Tony]

On 7/20/2010 3:54 PM, KH6TY wrote:

>Our on-air tests show that ROS 16 baud, 2200 Hz wide spread spectrum 
was very poor on UHF under Doppler >spreading. Can you confirm this with 
flutter tests like Jaak has done.


Skip,

My path tests show that ROS is less tolerant to Doppler spread than 
Olivia or one of it's variants so I'd have to agree with your on-air 
evaluation. Throughput starts to fail as the Doppler spread is increased 
beyond 20Hz (two channels 2ms delay) and I suspect you could be 
experiencing frequency dispersions beyond that range.


I haven't been able to find any propagation data that shows how much 
Doppler spread is likely take place on VHF/UHF. Wish I knew that answer 
to that.


Tony -K2MO




Tony,

Our on-air tests show that ROS 16 baud, 2200 Hz wide spread spectrum 
was very poor on UHF under Doppler spreading. Can you confirm this 
with flutter tests like Jaak has done on 
http://contestia.blogspot.com/p/pathsim_09.html 
 ?


73, Skip KH6TY

On 7/19/2010 9:42 PM, Tony wrote:


All,

With all the attention ROS has been getting lately, I thought it 
would be interesting to see how the narrow mode compared to the wide 
version under the controlled environment of the HF path simulator. 
After a few hours of testing, it seems there's little difference 
between the two.


The simulator indicated that they both had the same sensitivity 
(-15db) and essentially the same poor channel performance 
characteristics (see throughput samples below). In no case did one 
mode outperform the other to the point where it would make any real 
difference; both have the essentially the same wpm rate as well.


These tests are not conclusive, but they do suggest that there may 
not be any real advantage in using the wide mode vs narrow under most 
circumstances. Of course, the simulator can only emulate the basic 
characteristics of the real HF channel so it would be interesting to 
hear from those who have compared the two on-air.


Tony -K2MO



CCIR-520-2 POOR CHANNEL SIMULATIONS: -11DB SNR


ROS 2250 / 16 baud
the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
the quick brown fox jumps over the lazlµog
Lghe quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
the quccirown fox jumps over the lazy dog
the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
Âe quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
the quick brown fealoeumps ovahe lazEh/i

ROS 500 / 16 baud
 the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
the quick breFn fox juo3s over tes lazy dog
the quæe  t ´uls r?umps over the lazy dog
the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
the quick brown f Á jumps over the lazy dog
the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogQo





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signature database 5293 (20100719) __


The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

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Re: [digitalradio] ROS HF Path Simulations wide vs. narrow

[KH6TY]

Tony,

Our on-air tests show that ROS 16 baud, 2200 Hz wide spread spectrum was 
very poor on UHF under Doppler spreading. Can you confirm this with 
flutter tests like Jaak has done on 
http://contestia.blogspot.com/p/pathsim_09.html ?


73, Skip KH6TY

On 7/19/2010 9:42 PM, Tony wrote:


All,

With all the attention ROS has been getting lately, I thought it would 
be interesting to see how the narrow mode compared to the wide version 
under the controlled environment of the HF path simulator. After a few 
hours of testing, it seems there's little difference between the two.


The simulator indicated that they both had the same sensitivity 
(-15db) and essentially the same poor channel performance 
characteristics (see throughput samples below). In no case did one 
mode outperform the other to the point where it would make any real 
difference; both have the essentially the same wpm rate as well.


These tests are not conclusive, but they do suggest that there may not 
be any real advantage in using the wide mode vs narrow under most 
circumstances. Of course, the simulator can only emulate the basic 
characteristics of the real HF channel so it would be interesting to 
hear from those who have compared the two on-air.


Tony -K2MO



CCIR-520-2 POOR CHANNEL SIMULATIONS: -11DB SNR


ROS 2250 / 16 baud
the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
the quick brown fox jumps over the lazlµog
Lghe quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
the quccirown fox jumps over the lazy dog
the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
Âe quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
the quick brown fealoeumps ovahe lazEh/i

ROS 500 / 16 baud
 the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
the quick breFn fox juo3s over tes lazy dog
the quæe  t ´uls r?umps over the lazy dog
the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
the quick brown f Á jumps over the lazy dog
the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogQo

[digitalradio] ROS HF Path Simulations wide vs. narrow

[Tony]

All,

With all the attention ROS has been getting lately, I thought it would 
be interesting to see how the narrow mode compared to the wide version 
under the controlled environment of the HF path simulator. After a few 
hours of testing, it seems there's little difference between the two.


The simulator indicated that they both had the same sensitivity (-15db) 
and essentially the same poor channel performance characteristics (see 
throughput samples below). In no case did one mode outperform the other 
to the point where it would make any real difference; both have the 
essentially the same wpm rate as well.


These tests are not conclusive, but they do suggest that there may not 
be any real advantage in using the wide mode vs narrow under most 
circumstances. Of course, the simulator can only emulate the basic 
characteristics of the real HF channel so it would be interesting to 
hear from those who have compared the two on-air.


Tony -K2MO



CCIR-520-2 POOR CHANNEL SIMULATIONS: -11DB SNR


ROS 2250 / 16 baud
the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
the quick brown fox jumps over the lazlµog
Lghe quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
the quccirown fox jumps over the lazy dog
the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
Âe quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
the quick brown fealoeumps ovahe lazEh/i

ROS 500 / 16 baud
 the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
the quick breFn fox juo3s over tes lazy dog
the quæe  t ´uls r?umps over the lazy dog
the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
the quick brown f Á jumps over the lazy dog
the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogQo

Re: [digitalradio] ROS vs RTTY

[Steinar Aanesland]

Well, "old" modes like rtty has its charm, but as the ultimate contest
mode it makes more trouble for the ham community when it is flooding the
hole band, than "fix frequency" modes like ROS.

The only problem with ROS is its developer, with his strange behavior.

la5vna Steinar










On 18.07.2010 06:10, la7um wrote:
>
>
> Wow Steinar. This really tells the true story about your (and mine)
love for RTTY (stoneage/museum,power wasting,polluting KW) KAANTEST
MODE. TTY was created for cables, not radio, I believe. Hi.
> la7um Finn
>
> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Steinar Aanesland  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Despite the massive criticism, this fascinating ROS guy has now released
>> a new version of his software.
>>
>> http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/
>>
>> Sorry Buddy, but I have to admit, I find ROS more interesting than
>> anachronistic contest mode like RTTY.
>>
>> la5vna Steinar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 14.07.2010 22:59, F.R. Ashley wrote:
>>> Whats so dang fantastic about ROS anyway, that it deserves pages and
>> pages
>>> of emails about it?  Remember that other new digital mode a few months
>> ago,
>>> and how great it was, or have you forgotten abouit it already?
>>>
>>> 73 Buddy WB4M
>>> RTTY forever
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Steinar Aanesland" 
>>> To: "* Digitalradio" ; "*
>> ROSDIGITALMODEMGROU"
>>> 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 12:45 PM
>>> Subject: [digitalradio] ROS Returns
>>>
>>>
>>>> ROS v4.7.0 Beta is out..
>>>>
>>>> http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/
>>>>
>>>> S
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>>>> Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>>>>
>>>> Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>>>>
>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>

[digitalradio] ROS v4.7.4 Beta

[Steinar Aanesland]

Despite the massive criticism, this fascinating ROS guy has now released
a new version of his software.

http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/

Sorry Buddy, but I have to admit, I find ROS more interesting than
anachronistic contest mode like RTTY.

la5vna Steinar










On 14.07.2010 22:59, F.R. Ashley wrote:
> Whats so dang fantastic about ROS anyway, that it deserves pages and
pages
> of emails about it?  Remember that other new digital mode a few months
ago,
> and how great it was, or have you forgotten abouit it already?
>
> 73 Buddy WB4M
> RTTY forever
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Steinar Aanesland" 
> To: "* Digitalradio" ; "*
ROSDIGITALMODEMGROU"
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 12:45 PM
> Subject: [digitalradio] ROS Returns
>
>
>> ROS v4.7.0 Beta is out..
>>
>> http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/
>>
>> S
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>> Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>>
>> Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] ROS back bigger and better !

[Curt Givens]

It would appear that what is does best is the continued mutilation of horse 
corpses.

de Curt KC8STE/AAR5VR
73

--- On Wed, 7/14/10, J. Moen  wrote:

From: J. Moen 
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS back bigger and better !
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 10:53 PM







 



  



  
  
  


Your Subject says ROS is better.  Where can I 
read about the changes and improvements?  Can users control whether ROS 
should generate the artificial spots?
 
  Jim - K6JM
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Peter L. 
  Jackson 
  To: * Digitalradio 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 6:37 
  PM
  Subject: [digitalradio] ROS back bigger 
  and better !  
Spain kicks another 
  goal !!!

> v4.7.0 Beta
>
> By suggestion of CO2DC and 
  "The man of the Vara" I will continue to 
> develop ROS.
>
> 
  A new Sked page have been linked to ROS software. 

http://www.ham2ham. com/room307_ ros.php

Peter
VK6KXW
vk6...@gmail. com




 





 



  






  

Re: AW: AW: [digitalradio] ROS back bigger and better !

[rein0zn]

I had new vers 4.7 running here overnight without stoppages.

73 Rein W6SZ

-Original Message-
>From: Siegfried Jackstien 
>Sent: Jul 15, 2010 3:29 PM
>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: AW: AW: [digitalradio] ROS back bigger and better !
>
>Hello steinar
>
>Did not have the time yet to try
>
>I use the old 1.0 with a firewall
>
>That works okay
>
>Did you try the newer versions with sandbox???
>
>Greetz
>
>Sigi
>
> 
>

Re: AW: AW: [digitalradio] ROS back bigger and better !

[Steinar Aanesland]

Not the latest , but I will ;)

la5vna Steinar



On 15.07.2010 21:29, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:
> Hello steinar
>
> Did not have the time yet to try
>
> I use the old 1.0 with a firewall
>
> That works okay
>
> Did you try the newer versions with sandbox???
>
> Greetz
>
> Sigi
>
>  
>
>
>   

AW: AW: [digitalradio] ROS back bigger and better !

[Siegfried Jackstien]

Hello steinar

Did not have the time yet to try

I use the old 1.0 with a firewall

That works okay

Did you try the newer versions with sandbox???

Greetz

Sigi

 

Re: AW: [digitalradio] ROS back bigger and better !

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi Siegfried

Do you get the sandboxie software working ?


la5vna Steinar




On 15.07.2010 20:59, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:
> Bigger ? yes . making MORE trouble hi hi
>
> Better? No . as the mode is not changed and the frontend is also not changed
>
> The only change is that now you can not use it without the spotting
>
> If you block the inet access of the adifdata (the spotsender) the program
> will close after a while
>
> So not better . I would say worst
>
>  
>
>
>   

Re: [digitalradio] ROS back bigger and better !

[J. Moen]

Your Subject says ROS is better.  Where can I read about the changes and 
improvements?  Can users control whether ROS should generate the artificial 
spots?

  Jim - K6JM

  - Original Message - 
  From: Peter L. Jackson 
  To: * Digitalradio 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 6:37 PM
  Subject: [digitalradio] ROS back bigger and better !  
  Spain kicks another goal !!!

  > v4.7.0 Beta
  >
  > By suggestion of CO2DC and "The man of the Vara" I will continue to 
  > develop ROS.
  >
  > A new Sked page have been linked to ROS software. 

  http://www.ham2ham.com/room307_ros.php

  Peter
  VK6KXW
  vk6...@gmail.com

Re: [digitalradio] ROS Returns

[James Hall]

What mode are you talking about? I'm interested.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 4:59 PM, F.R. Ashley  wrote:

>
>
> Whats so dang fantastic about ROS anyway, that it deserves pages and pages
> of emails about it? Remember that other new digital mode a few months ago,
> and how great it was, or have you forgotten abouit it already?
>
> 73 Buddy WB4M
> RTTY forever
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Steinar Aanesland" >
> To: "* Digitalradio" 
> >;
> "* ROSDIGITALMODEMGROU"
> 
> >
> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 12:45 PM
> Subject: [digitalradio] ROS Returns
>
> > ROS v4.7.0 Beta is out..
> >
> > http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/
> >
> > S
> >
> >
> > 
>
> >
> > http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
> > Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
> >
> > Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>  
>

Re: [digitalradio] ROS Returns

[F.R. Ashley]

Whats so dang fantastic about ROS anyway, that it deserves pages and pages 
of emails about it?  Remember that other new digital mode a few months ago, 
and how great it was, or have you forgotten abouit it already?

73 Buddy WB4M
RTTY forever

- Original Message - 
From: "Steinar Aanesland" 
To: "* Digitalradio" ; "* ROSDIGITALMODEMGROU" 

Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 12:45 PM
Subject: [digitalradio] ROS Returns


> ROS v4.7.0 Beta is out..
>
> http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/
>
> S
>
>
> 
>
> http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
> Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>
> Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

[digitalradio] ROS Returns

[Steinar Aanesland]

ROS v4.7.0 Beta is out..

http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/

S

Re: [digitalradio] ROS modem Yahoo Group

[Andy obrien]

Why?


On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Rein A  wrote:

>
>
> CLOSING GROUP TOMORROW EVE.
> IF YOU NEED TO COPY ANYTHING, GET ER DONE !
>
> DAVID/WD4KPD
>
>

[digitalradio] ROS modem Yahoo Group

[Rein A]

CLOSING GROUP TOMORROW EVE.
IF YOU NEED TO COPY ANYTHING, GET ER DONE !

DAVID/WD4KPD

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

[rein0zn]

Hello James Hall,

Why not using your call here? But that's OK.

I was not attacking you nor anybody else. It is not
part of my amateur radio experience or fun.

You were attacking me or? Thick skin here.

I was with the xyl to a concert yesterday and not behind
this computer.

Over the last couple of months, I have been trying to understand
why I can not use the ROS software like many others outside
the US.

It seems I have not enough brains.

+++
There is no agenda here, pro digital mode xx, anti digital
mode ROS.
++

I believe scaring a nice person, suggesting him to ask the FCC
about ROS, was part of that anti ROS agenda!

I still do not understand the issue. 

In that process I tried over and over to get the author of 
that program to apologize to the amateurs he did hurt, write 
a paper about ROS with the US regulations in mind, inform 
the appropriate people in the FCC, Again apologize for what he 
did or give an explanation. 

Who to contact in the FCC, I think I could help him with 
that perhaps.

In that process I have been lectured attacked for being
on this reflector or the other one and I made the mistake at
times to engage. defend, explain myself.

I hope you and others here, believe that. 

I hope you James Hall reads this.

If you are a technical person and interested seriously in 
legality issues of ROS. I welcome you here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rosmodemusa/

Not very popular just 18 subscribers ( almost 4000 here )

73 Rein W6SZ

http://www.nitehawk.com/rasmit/


 


-Original Message-
>From: James Hall 
>Sent: Jul 9, 2010 11:09 AM
>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
>
>I'm not quite sure what's going on here. Are you attacking me? I
>was merely stating that I see no cause for alarm and that I did not think
>there was anything nefarious going on. I'm a ham radio operator, of course
>figuring out how things work "excites" me. That's the whole point. To which
>"little project" are you referring to? I'm not sure I follow you.
>
>73s James
>
>Didn't read many comic books as a kid did you?
>
>On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 9:58 AM,  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> extremely wicked; "nefarious schemes"; "a villainous plot"; "a villainous
>> band of thieves"
>>
>> I had to use Google to learn that expression. Not using it much in daily
>> conversations.
>>
>> What are you trying to get to James?
>>
>> Why is it that trying to figure out how systems work excites you?
>>
>> Once I am through with this little project you might understand or
>> perhaps not why I am doing this.
>>
>> 73 Rein W6SZ
>>
>> I had to use Google to learn that expression.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> >From: James Hall >
>> >Sent: Jul 8, 2010 4:00 PM
>> >To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
>> >Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
>> >
>> >Looks like this is a DX Cluster server available on the Internet running a
>> >software package called DXSpider.
>> >http://wiki.dxcluster.org/index.php/Main_Page Doesn't seem to be
>> nefarious
>> >at all to me. Telnet in, give your callsign and it'll start giving you
>> info.
>> >I have no clue how to read this but there it is.
>> >
>> >On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Steinar Aanesland 
>> >
>> >wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hi Rain
>> >>
>> >> You have absolutely right . ROS are sending data from your PC to the
>> >> cluster. Try to type the IP address 90.225.73.203:8000 into your
>> >> browser and you get this:
>> >>
>> >> login: GET / HTTP/1.1
>> >>
>> >> Host: 90.225.73.203:8000
>> >> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; nb-NO; rv:1.9.2.6)
>> >> Gecko/20100625 Firefox/3.6.6
>> >> Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
>> >> Accept-Language: nb,no;q=0.8,nn;q=0.6,en-us;q=0.4,en;q=0.2
>> >> Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate
>> >> Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
>> >> Keep-Alive: 115
>> >> Connection: keep-alive
>> >>
>> >> Sorry GET / HTTP/1.1 is an invalid callsign
>> >>
>> >> -
>> >>
>> >> Then try to type c:>telnet 90.225.73.203 8000 , then you will see that
>> >>

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

[James Hall]

I'm not quite sure what's going on here. Are you attacking me? I
was merely stating that I see no cause for alarm and that I did not think
there was anything nefarious going on. I'm a ham radio operator, of course
figuring out how things work "excites" me. That's the whole point. To which
"little project" are you referring to? I'm not sure I follow you.

73s James

Didn't read many comic books as a kid did you?

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 9:58 AM,  wrote:

>
>
>
> extremely wicked; "nefarious schemes"; "a villainous plot"; "a villainous
> band of thieves"
>
> I had to use Google to learn that expression. Not using it much in daily
> conversations.
>
> What are you trying to get to James?
>
> Why is it that trying to figure out how systems work excites you?
>
> Once I am through with this little project you might understand or
> perhaps not why I am doing this.
>
> 73 Rein W6SZ
>
> I had to use Google to learn that expression.
>
>
> -----Original Message-
> >From: James Hall >
> >Sent: Jul 8, 2010 4:00 PM
> >To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
> >Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
> >
> >Looks like this is a DX Cluster server available on the Internet running a
> >software package called DXSpider.
> >http://wiki.dxcluster.org/index.php/Main_Page Doesn't seem to be
> nefarious
> >at all to me. Telnet in, give your callsign and it'll start giving you
> info.
> >I have no clue how to read this but there it is.
> >
> >On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Steinar Aanesland 
> >
> >wrote:
>
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Rain
> >>
> >> You have absolutely right . ROS are sending data from your PC to the
> >> cluster. Try to type the IP address 90.225.73.203:8000 into your
> >> browser and you get this:
> >>
> >> login: GET / HTTP/1.1
> >>
> >> Host: 90.225.73.203:8000
> >> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; nb-NO; rv:1.9.2.6)
> >> Gecko/20100625 Firefox/3.6.6
> >> Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
> >> Accept-Language: nb,no;q=0.8,nn;q=0.6,en-us;q=0.4,en;q=0.2
> >> Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate
> >> Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
> >> Keep-Alive: 115
> >> Connection: keep-alive
> >>
> >> Sorry GET / HTTP/1.1 is an invalid callsign
> >>
> >> -
> >>
> >> Then try to type c:>telnet 90.225.73.203 8000 , then you will see that
> >> this is TELNET and that explains the funny call sings . Whe people is
> >> bande in this software whey are using a fake call sign . This fake call
> >> sign is the sent to the cluster when people is in RX mode.
> >>
> >> I hope this is understandable .
> >>
> >> LA5VNA Steinar
> >>
> >> On 08.07.2010 20:53, Steinar Aanesland wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hi Rein
> >> >
> >> > After reading your mail about ROS and the HamSpots , I have done some
> >> > testing. I have monitored the activity of the latest ROS v4.5.7 in RX
> >> > mode. I have been using Process Explorer from Sysinternals (microsoft)
> >> > .With The Process Explorer you have the possibility to see the network
> >> > activity in real time .
> >> >
> >> > What I fount out was that the ADIFdata2 module in ROS was trying to
> >> > connect to the address: 90.225.73.203, 217.31.161.71,8 or
> >> > 217.31.161.34.50 on port 8000 and sending data from my computer.
> >> >
> >> > LA5VNA Steinar
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 08.07.2010 05:20, Rein A wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Thank you, Laurei:
> >> >>
> >> >> Where Do The Spots Come From?
> >> >> 08-Jul-2010 14:45utc
> >> >> There has been much internet speculation that HamSpots gets the ROS
> >> > spots directly from the ROS Software. This is INCORRECT.
> >> >> ROS spots are retrieved from the DX Cluster ONLY.
> >> >> This site has no relationship with the ROS software or its developer.
> >> >>
> >> >> HamSpots maintains a private dedicated Cluster Node and processes all
> >> > incoming spots to that node to determine the mode being used (ROS,
> PSK,
> >> > RTTY, SSTV, HELL, etc.) to display correctly on the individual Mode
> >> Pages.
> >> >>
> >> >> HamSpots also takes direct feeds from the PSKReporter Network (thanks
> >> > to N1DQ) and the JT65 Reverse Beacon Network (thanks to W6CQZ).
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> 73 Rein, W6SZ
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>  
>

AW: [digitalradio] ROS Developer will continue to auto-spot despite complaints

[Siegfried Jackstien]

Just added adif exe to my firewall

No data in no data out

Can use ros now as I have no inet access

Jose does monitor eu traffic via twente . so does the soft send (hidden)
data on the air??? I do not know . but I do not matter about cause I have
absolutely no passwords (except the gmail password used in ros) on my pc . I
do no internet banking so nothing to hide on my pc

Even if the software has a Trojan in it that allows jose to spy on my pc I
would no matter about it cause my pc is clean in any way (nothing to hide)

No cracked software, no stolen mp3 music, nothing but ham-software (99.8%
freeware)

 

Jose made that function only to give ros a kick .. That kick got in his face
(or his back)

So it is time for him to work around that function . user setable, can be
switched off, correct data, no fake qsos .. Should be easy done from him if
he is willing to do

But the comments on his hp shows that he is not willing to switch it off ...
maybe he can work around that the spots are correct

No random texts like there was a qso if there was none etc.

As we all know jose reads all the boards . so:

 

J O S E . I REALLY LIKE THAT MODE BUT CAN YOU PLEASE PAY ATTENTION WHAT THE
USER NEEDS ?!?

 

To get the mode more popular instead of being more and more hated Jose
REALLY should think about all that 

 

I know that otherwise your betatesters will no longer use your software

 

PLEASE (begging on my knees) JOSE DO NOT KILL YOUR SOFT BY YOURSELF

 

As this was the first (for me) to get a 16000km qso I would like that mode
not to be killed

 

Hopefully Jose takes some time (after a cup of tea) stays cool and thinks
about what we need and what we do not need

 

Greetings to all

 

Sigi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Re: [digitalradio] ROS Developer will continue to auto-spot despite complaints

[Laurie, VK3AMA]

With this action (or inaction) from Mr ROS and considering all of his 
past actions/comments it becomes clear (to me) that he has an agenda and 
Hams are being used as beta-testers to help fulfil his ultimate goal.

He has shown several times an unwillingness to embrace "Ham Spirit" and 
"Ham Operating Standards".

His Agenda? I suspect it is commercial in nature.

My thoughts.

de Laurie, VK3AMA


On 11/07/2010 9:17 AM, Dave Wright wrote:
>
>
> Just goes to show that he reads the boards and keeps track of what is
> going on.
>
> Now, how easy would it be to program a button to disable the function
> with one toggle in the software?  Very easy!  Then he could open it to
> everyone to decide whether they want the reporting or not.   Since he
> won't allow this, and says take it or leave it, one must truly question
> what else it does or can do.
>
> Dave
> K3DCW
>
> On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Laurie, VK3AMA  > wrote:
>
> from his website
> http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/2010/07/10/ros-and-cluster/
>
> Jose says...
>
>  > ROS uses a system that send reports to the DX Cluster automatically.
>  >
>  > This is useful to know who are listen you and the  system is done
> so as not to saturate the cluster (only send some spot).
>  >
>  > If you are not agree with this function that help to the
> communication, don’t use ROS software.
>
> Interpret that as you want.
>
> de Laurie, VK3AMA
>
>
> 
>
> http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
> Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>
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>
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>
>
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> 
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Dave
> K3DCW
> www.k3dcw.net 
>
> "Real radio bounces off of the sky"
>
>
> 




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Re: [digitalradio] ROS Developer will continue to auto-spot despite complaints

[Dave Wright]

Just goes to show that he reads the boards and keeps track of what is going
on.

Now, how easy would it be to program a button to disable the function with
one toggle in the software?  Very easy!  Then he could open it to everyone
to decide whether they want the reporting or not.   Since he won't allow
this, and says take it or leave it, one must truly question what else it
does or can do.

Dave
K3DCW

On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Laurie, VK3AMA  wrote:

> from his website
> http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/2010/07/10/ros-and-cluster/
>
> Jose says...
>
> > ROS uses a system that send reports to the DX Cluster automatically.
> >
> > This is useful to know who are listen you and the  system is done so as
> not to saturate the cluster (only send some spot).
> >
> > If you are not agree with this function that help to the communication,
> don’t use ROS software.
>
> Interpret that as you want.
>
> de Laurie, VK3AMA
>
>
> 
>
> http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
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>
>
>
>


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[digitalradio] ROS Developer will continue to auto-spot despite complaints

[Laurie, VK3AMA]

from his website
http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/2010/07/10/ros-and-cluster/

Jose says...

> ROS uses a system that send reports to the DX Cluster automatically.
>
> This is useful to know who are listen you and the  system is done so as not 
> to saturate the cluster (only send some spot).
>
> If you are not agree with this function that help to the communication, don’t 
> use ROS software.

Interpret that as you want.

de Laurie, VK3AMA




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[digitalradio] ROS Mode

[Thomas F. Giella NZ4O]

Call me old fashioned but after the way the developer of the ROS mode 
treated the global amateur radio community, i.e, malice, deceit and
disrespect earlier in the year I wouldn't use ROS if it "were" legal in the
U.S.

Just my .05 cents due to inflation.

73 & GUD DX,
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Lakeland, FL, USA
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RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

[rein0zn]

Dave,


I have no answer here for what you are saying. It is clear, I don't see it that 
way
I tried to get info from the ARRL not directly related to the ROS matter. Do not
want to discuss that here further. 

I am happy to address it off the reflector, you could well be able to help me 
with the info
I am looking for.

John is familiar with the legality issue by now, I think.

Yes indeed IARU is for sure one of those organizations. There are others though 
closer
to Jose 

http://www.iaru.org/
http://www.iaru.org/iaru-soc.html
http://www.ure.es/

Amateur Radio newsletters in US and abroad. 

I brought up the DSTAR case, ( we are not into that, no reaction here ) and got 
an invitation 
to from the list moderator to join their Yahoo listthis morning.  
Why don't you just do that and let us alone in rest and peace )

 
73 Rein W6SZ

-Original Message-
>From: Dave AA6YQ 
>Sent: Jul 9, 2010 5:16 PM
>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
>
>>>>AA6YQ comments below
>
>-Original Message-
>From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on 
>Behalf Of rein...@ix.netcom.com
>Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 4:31 PM
>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
>
>
>  
>Hi Dave,
>
>Let me ask your a question after assuring that the use of ROS world
>wide is increasing rapidly.
>
>We can ignore that, as most do, we can be mad about it, we can as US
>licensed radio amateurs say it does not concern us,it is not fair, etc etc.
>
>If there is such a list, I plan to make a real big stink about it. I am 
>disappointed that John as a potential member on the list, does not want 
>to research that. But then I can't force people.
>
>Have plenty idea;'s about doing that. But before starting such an action
>I like to know whether such a list still exists or not. 
>
>Is that unreal? 
>
>>>>I don't know what you mean by "unreal", but it's certainly a waste of time 
>>>>as far as you, W0JAB, or I am concerned. US operators can't use ROS on HF 
>>>>whether they're on the list or not. 
>
>I tried to contact the ARRL just a few minutes ago and was
>given a go around, from one phone number to another, 20 minutes waiting.
>Friday afternoon in CT, with the Executive Chief Officer out of the country?
>
>>>>Given that it represents the interests of US operators, you'll have a 
>>>>difficult time convincing the ARRL to do anything about a mode that US 
>>>>operators can't use on HF anyway. The IARU would be the more appropriate 
>>>>organization with which to raise this issue.
> 
>Do not want to start here a flame war on the ARRL. But is this not the place
>to discuss issues related to digital modes? 
>
>>>>Yes it is.
>
>A digital mode with a list of banned calls?
>
>>>>Certainly, though of course Andy K3UK has the last word on this.
>
> 73,
>
>Dave, AA6YQ
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
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>
>
>

RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

[rein0zn]

Hi John,


Are you addressing this to me?

How am I the spokesman of Jose? What more can I say about Jose to 
please some of you. What answer do you expect from me John?

What I do say though is this: 

His not being an amateur 
A severe language problem.
Little or none social behavior 

did contribute significantly to this circus. 

If you classify that as being a spokesman, OK what can I write more.

I am still waiting for someone telling me that he has proof that he is on such 
a list. 
Using a recent version.  

Don't blame anyone saying "Just the fact that there ever was such a list is 
enough etc etc"

At the same time I can not understand that hundreds of people using ROS now 
ignore
this if they knew about such a list. This very point really goes beyond my 
capacities.

I am addressing here non US amateurs in particular. I guess there are those on 
this reflector?

73 Rein W6SZ



 



-Original Message-
>From: "John Becker, WØJAB" 
>Sent: Jul 9, 2010 3:01 PM
>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
>
>At 01:44 PM 7/9/2010, you wrote:
>>John,
>>
>>Who is Andy, K3UK?
>
>Andy is the list owner.
>
>
>And yes anyone can discuss ROS at any point and time.
>
>And many are still looking for an answer of why
>some (at one point or another) was banned from using
>the program. 
>
>Now you seem to be a spokesperson for Jose on
>ROS so why no answer?
>
>John, W0JAB
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>
>Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

[Dave AA6YQ]

>>>AA6YQ comments below

-Original Message-
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on 
Behalf Of rein...@ix.netcom.com
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 4:31 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC


  
Hi Dave,

Let me ask your a question after assuring that the use of ROS world
wide is increasing rapidly.

We can ignore that, as most do, we can be mad about it, we can as US
licensed radio amateurs say it does not concern us,it is not fair, etc etc.

If there is such a list, I plan to make a real big stink about it. I am 
disappointed that John as a potential member on the list, does not want 
to research that. But then I can't force people.

Have plenty idea;'s about doing that. But before starting such an action
I like to know whether such a list still exists or not. 

Is that unreal? 

>>>I don't know what you mean by "unreal", but it's certainly a waste of time 
>>>as far as you, W0JAB, or I am concerned. US operators can't use ROS on HF 
>>>whether they're on the list or not. 

I tried to contact the ARRL just a few minutes ago and was
given a go around, from one phone number to another, 20 minutes waiting.
Friday afternoon in CT, with the Executive Chief Officer out of the country?

>>>Given that it represents the interests of US operators, you'll have a 
>>>difficult time convincing the ARRL to do anything about a mode that US 
>>>operators can't use on HF anyway. The IARU would be the more appropriate 
>>>organization with which to raise this issue.
 
Do not want to start here a flame war on the ARRL. But is this not the place
to discuss issues related to digital modes? 

>>>Yes it is.

A digital mode with a list of banned calls?

>>>Certainly, though of course Andy K3UK has the last word on this.

 73,

Dave, AA6YQ

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

[rein0zn]

Hi Jeff,

Thanks for your contribution, No problem and the truth.

Could you inform me about the hardcoding of the calling frequencies. 
Does he  eliminate the VFO setting of your transmitter?
Or perhaps CAT settings?

Please address this issue, again feel free to contact me off this board.

73 Rein W6SZ

-Original Message-
>From: Jeff Moore 
>Sent: Jul 9, 2010 3:47 PM
>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
>
>Given the author's animosity toward certain hams, the fact that he stated he 
>was doing a persona non grata list, the fact that he DID do a list, and his 
>propensity to be untruthful in general, I would be VERY hesitant to install 
>his software on my computer!  Even more so if I was on his list!
>
>It's been established that his software is doing things he isn't telling 
>people about ( the call reporting ) and that can't be turned off!
>
>He isn't a ham!
>
>He doesn't understand the ham community and doesn't make any effort to do so.
>
>He's deliberately hardcoding calling frequencies into his software and in some 
>cases multiple frequencies in crowded bands.
>
>I don't know about YOU, but to me this ALL adds up to a VERY BAD picture.
>
>As for the 3000 people that are being quiet on this list, how much of that is 
>that they don't want to be singled out by a psychotic non-ham software author 
>for inclusion in his list??
>
>His software is illegal for a significant portion of the ham community to use 
>below 1.5m, yet he insists on pushing that use of his software?
>
>Sorry,  I was interested initially in ROS, but given all of the above and all 
>the rest that hasn't been stated in this msg, I'll probably be the last one to 
>try his software AFTER everyone else has survived!
>
>73,
>
>Jeff
>
>- Original Message - From: rein...@ix.netcom.com 
>
>  
>
>John,
>
>Why not give it a serious try? It's is worth getting to the bottom of this
>or perhaps not, Are we all becoming zombies?
>You are sort of accusing the author without really trying or proof.
>
>Some 3000 People on this reflector. Silence, silence.
>
>There has to be many on this board that can answer that question. If you 
>do not want to show who you are. contact me of the reflector 
>I will keep your input just between you and me.
>
>Don't want to be involved. Please let me just play. I am tired, don't bother me
>
>73 Rein W6SZ 
>
>-Original Message-
>>From: "John Becker, WØJAB" 
>>Sent: Jul 9, 2010 2:18 PM
>>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>>Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
>>
>>I think many would like to have a answer once and for all
>>on this issue if some have been "banned" from using the 
>>software.
>>
>>John, W0JAB
>>digitalradio co moderator
>>
>>At 12:54 PM 7/9/2010, you wrote:
>>>Could this ROS discussion be taken offline or elsewhere? 
>>>
>>>I expect others, like I, are sick of the rehashing. (And if you are sick
>>>please don't reply in support of this message - that would be as bad as the
>>>rehashing.) 
>>>
>>>Andy??
>>>
>>> 
>>> - 73 - 
>>>Rud Merriam K5RUD 
>>>http://mysticlakesoftware.com/
>

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

[rein0zn]

Hi Mike,

No problem whatsoever and thank you for expressing your opinion.
In spite of not willing to post on ROS anymore, are you on the list?

Email me direct if you have concrete indications or proof.

Can not talk for other members here. 

73 Rein W6SZ



-Original Message-
>From: mikea 
>Sent: Jul 9, 2010 4:11 PM
>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
>
>On Fri, Jul 09, 2010 at 12:47:51PM -0700, Jeff Moore wrote:
>
>> As for the 3000 people that are being quiet on this list, how much of
>> that is that they don't want to be singled out by a psychotic non-ham
>> software author for inclusion in his list??
>
>This is my first -- and, I hope, my last -- post on ROS. 
>
>I've been quiet because it became apparent to me quite early in the game
>that the software was spread-spectrum within the meaning of the term as the
>FCC understands it. The author demonstrated quite early in the game that he 
>wasn't a ham and didn't understand the sense of community that we hams, as
>a group, demonstrate and display more often than not; he also demonstrated
>through his blacklisting that he is vindictive, which is not conducive to
>his establishing a record of trust. 
>
>Now it has been shown beyond contradiction that his software posts notices
>on one or more DX Cluster nodes; I haven't installed the software and so
>can't see where the controls, if any, for this behavior are located, but I
>do see users indicating that there are no controls for the reporting
>behavior. That's inexcusable, if it's true. Likewise, if this reporting
>behavior isn't advertised in the documentation, *that* is inexcusable as
>well.
>
>All this is in addition to the HF beaconing behavior, the very high
>ratio of bandwidth to baudrate, and other technical objections. 
>
>I wash my hands of ROS, both the software and its author. I'll have naught
>to do with it. 
>
>But this is an appropriate forum for discussion of the software, especially
>by amateur radio operators in venues where its use is legal, so I won't
>voice any objections to that. I may unsubscribe if things get too silly and
>Andy doesn't throttle them; that's just voting with my feet.
>
>-- 
>Mike Andrews, W5EGO
>mi...@mikea.ath.cx
>Tired old sysadmin 
>
>
>
>
>http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>
>Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

[rein0zn]

Hi Dave,

Let me ask your a question after assuring that the use of ROS world
wide is increasing rapidly.

We can ignore that, as most do, we can be mad about it, we can as US
licensed radio amateurs say it does not concern us,it is not fair, etc etc.

If there is such a list, I plan to make a real big stink about it. I am 
disappointed that John as a potential member on the list, does not want 
to research that. But then I can't force people.

Have plenty idea;'s about doing that. But before starting such an action
I like to know whether such a list still exists or not. 

Is that unreal? I tried to contact the ARRL just a few minutes ago and was
given a go around, from one phone number to another, 20 minutes waiting.
Friday afternoon in CT, with the Executive Chief Officer out of the country?

Do not want to start here a flame war on the ARRL. But is this not the place
to discuss issues related to digital modes? A digital mode with  a list of
banned calls?

73 Rein W6SZ





-Original Message-
>From: Dave AA6YQ 
>Sent: Jul 9, 2010 3:52 PM
>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
>
>>>>AA6YQ comments below
>
>-Original Message-
>From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on
>Behalf Of "John Becker, WOJAB"
>Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 3:01 PM
>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
>
>
>And many are still looking for an answer of why some (at one point or
>another) was banned from using the program.
>
>>>>John, no one but Jose knows why specific ops were banned from using his
>application. Empirically, one ham was added to the "persona non grata" list
>shortly after posting that he had asked the FCC whether or not ROS was
>legal. My callsign appeared on the list after I sought to verify with FCC
>personnel the claim on Jose's blog that the FCC had approved ROS for use by
>US amateurs -- a claim the FCC characterizes as both false and fabricated.
>Perhaps my "promotion" was motivated by some earlier perceived infraction,
>but its entirely irrelevant because ROS is not legal for use by US
>operators; it's like being put on the "no use of aviation frequencies" list.
>
>   73,
>
>Dave, AA6YQ
>
>
>
>
>
>http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>
>Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

[mikea]

On Fri, Jul 09, 2010 at 12:47:51PM -0700, Jeff Moore wrote:

> As for the 3000 people that are being quiet on this list, how much of
> that is that they don't want to be singled out by a psychotic non-ham
> software author for inclusion in his list??

This is my first -- and, I hope, my last -- post on ROS. 

I've been quiet because it became apparent to me quite early in the game
that the software was spread-spectrum within the meaning of the term as the
FCC understands it. The author demonstrated quite early in the game that he 
wasn't a ham and didn't understand the sense of community that we hams, as
a group, demonstrate and display more often than not; he also demonstrated
through his blacklisting that he is vindictive, which is not conducive to
his establishing a record of trust. 

Now it has been shown beyond contradiction that his software posts notices
on one or more DX Cluster nodes; I haven't installed the software and so
can't see where the controls, if any, for this behavior are located, but I
do see users indicating that there are no controls for the reporting
behavior. That's inexcusable, if it's true. Likewise, if this reporting
behavior isn't advertised in the documentation, *that* is inexcusable as
well.

All this is in addition to the HF beaconing behavior, the very high
ratio of bandwidth to baudrate, and other technical objections. 

I wash my hands of ROS, both the software and its author. I'll have naught
to do with it. 

But this is an appropriate forum for discussion of the software, especially
by amateur radio operators in venues where its use is legal, so I won't
voice any objections to that. I may unsubscribe if things get too silly and
Andy doesn't throttle them; that's just voting with my feet.

-- 
Mike Andrews, W5EGO
mi...@mikea.ath.cx
Tired old sysadmin 

RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

[Dave AA6YQ]

>>>AA6YQ comments below

-Original Message-
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on
Behalf Of "John Becker, WOJAB"
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 3:01 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC


And many are still looking for an answer of why some (at one point or
another) was banned from using the program.

>>>John, no one but Jose knows why specific ops were banned from using his
application. Empirically, one ham was added to the "persona non grata" list
shortly after posting that he had asked the FCC whether or not ROS was
legal. My callsign appeared on the list after I sought to verify with FCC
personnel the claim on Jose's blog that the FCC had approved ROS for use by
US amateurs -- a claim the FCC characterizes as both false and fabricated.
Perhaps my "promotion" was motivated by some earlier perceived infraction,
but its entirely irrelevant because ROS is not legal for use by US
operators; it's like being put on the "no use of aviation frequencies" list.

   73,

Dave, AA6YQ

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

[Jeff Moore]

Given the author's animosity toward certain hams, the fact that he stated he 
was doing a persona non grata list, the fact that he DID do a list, and his 
propensity to be untruthful in general, I would be VERY hesitant to install his 
software on my computer!  Even more so if I was on his list!

It's been established that his software is doing things he isn't telling people 
about ( the call reporting ) and that can't be turned off!

He isn't a ham!

He doesn't understand the ham community and doesn't make any effort to do so.

He's deliberately hardcoding calling frequencies into his software and in some 
cases multiple frequencies in crowded bands.

I don't know about YOU, but to me this ALL adds up to a VERY BAD picture.

As for the 3000 people that are being quiet on this list, how much of that is 
that they don't want to be singled out by a psychotic non-ham software author 
for inclusion in his list??

His software is illegal for a significant portion of the ham community to use 
below 1.5m, yet he insists on pushing that use of his software?

Sorry,  I was interested initially in ROS, but given all of the above and all 
the rest that hasn't been stated in this msg, I'll probably be the last one to 
try his software AFTER everyone else has survived!

73,

Jeff

- Original Message - From: rein...@ix.netcom.com 

  

John,

Why not give it a serious try? It's is worth getting to the bottom of this
or perhaps not, Are we all becoming zombies?
You are sort of accusing the author without really trying or proof.

Some 3000 People on this reflector. Silence, silence.

There has to be many on this board that can answer that question. If you 
do not want to show who you are. contact me of the reflector 
I will keep your input just between you and me.

Don't want to be involved. Please let me just play. I am tired, don't bother me

73 Rein W6SZ 

-Original Message-
>From: "John Becker, WØJAB" 
>Sent: Jul 9, 2010 2:18 PM
>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
>
>I think many would like to have a answer once and for all
>on this issue if some have been "banned" from using the 
>software.
>
>John, W0JAB
>digitalradio co moderator
>
>At 12:54 PM 7/9/2010, you wrote:
>>Could this ROS discussion be taken offline or elsewhere? 
>>
>>I expect others, like I, are sick of the rehashing. (And if you are sick
>>please don't reply in support of this message - that would be as bad as the
>>rehashing.) 
>>
>>Andy??
>>
>> 
>> - 73 - 
>>Rud Merriam K5RUD 
>>http://mysticlakesoftware.com/

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

[Dave Wright]

The discussion of the persona-non-grata list was started here:
http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=239742&highlight=ros. It starts
getting pretty interesting around page 4 or 5.

In March, the list consisted of the following calls:  *
K5OKC,N1SZ,G4ILO,W4PC,W9IQ,KY5U,KQ6XA,G0GQK,N3RQ,N1SZ,KC4ARAN,
GW7AAV,WA1ZMS,K3DCWyep, N1SZ got the good double whammy probation.

*Since that time, Jose has taken steps to further hide the list in the code
by changing his programming environment, making it much harder to decompile
the list.  I'm not sure anyone has tried recently.

Dave




On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:44 PM,  wrote:

>
> I want to know about the list.
>
> If it does exists, I will fight for radio amateur's loyalty to
> stop using ROS until the list is removed.
>
>
-- 
Dave
K3DCW
www.k3dcw.net

"Real radio bounces off of the sky"

RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

[Dave AA6YQ]

US operators that avoid ROS because it is illegal in the US are not zombies, 
they are simply abiding by the regulations that govern amateur radio operation 
here and thus protecting their licenses.

The immature antics of Jose Ros are most likely the result of an over-driven 
ego untempered by any understanding of the social aspects of amateur radio. 
Hopefully, some wise Elmer will take Jose in hand and help him grow up to more 
constructively apply his obvious technical talent.

   73,

 Dave, AA6YQ

 
-Original Message-
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on 
Behalf Of rein...@ix.netcom.com
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 2:59 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC


  

John,

Why not give it a serious try? It's is worth getting to the bottom of this
or perhaps not, Are we all becoming zombies?
You are sort of accusing the author without really trying or proof.

Some 3000 People on this reflector. Silence, silence.

There has to be many on this board that can answer that question. If you 
do not want to show who you are. contact me of the reflector 
I will keep your input just between you and me.

Don't want to be involved. Please let me just play. I am tired, don't bother me

73 Rein W6SZ 

-Original Message-
>From: "John Becker, WØJAB" 
>Sent: Jul 9, 2010 2:18 PM
>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
>
>I think many would like to have a answer once and for all
>on this issue if some have been "banned" from using the 
>software.
>
>John, W0JAB
>digitalradio co moderator
>
>At 12:54 PM 7/9/2010, you wrote:
>>Could this ROS discussion be taken offline or elsewhere? 
>>
>>I expect others, like I, are sick of the rehashing. (And if you are sick
>>please don't reply in support of this message - that would be as bad as the
>>rehashing.) 
>>
>>Andy??
>>
>> 
>> - 73 - 
>>Rud Merriam K5RUD 
>>http://mysticlakesoftware.com/
>
>
>
>
>
>http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>
>Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

[John Becker, WØJAB]

At 01:44 PM 7/9/2010, you wrote:
>John,
>
>Who is Andy, K3UK?

Andy is the list owner.


And yes anyone can discuss ROS at any point and time.

And many are still looking for an answer of why
some (at one point or another) was banned from using
the program. 

Now you seem to be a spokesperson for Jose on
ROS so why no answer?

John, W0JAB

RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

[rein0zn]

John,

Why not give it a serious try? It's is worth getting to the bottom of this
or perhaps not, Are we all becoming zombies?
You are sort of accusing the author without really trying or proof.

Some 3000 People on this reflector. Silence, silence.

There has to be many on this board that can answer that question. If you 
do not want to show who you are. contact me of the reflector 
I will keep your input just between you and me.

Don't want to be involved. Please let me just play. I am tired, don't bother me

73 Rein W6SZ 

-Original Message-
>From: "John Becker, WØJAB" 
>Sent: Jul 9, 2010 2:18 PM
>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
>
>I think many would like to have a answer once and for all
>on this issue if some have been "banned" from using the 
>software.
>
>John, W0JAB
>digitalradio co moderator
>
>At 12:54 PM 7/9/2010, you wrote:
>>Could this ROS discussion be taken offline or elsewhere? 
>>
>>I expect others, like I, are sick of the rehashing. (And if you are sick
>>please don't reply in support of this message - that would be as bad as the
>>rehashing.) 
>>
>>Andy??
>>
>> 
>> - 73 - 
>>Rud Merriam K5RUD 
>>http://mysticlakesoftware.com/
>
>
>
>
>
>http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>
>Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

[rein0zn]

John,

Who is Andy, K3UK?

I was told a few days ago by a moderator ( I think ) that 
we could discuss ROS on this board.

For those who don't like it, they can use the erase button.

I want to know about the list.

If it does exists, I will fight for  radio amateur's loyalty to
stop using ROS until the list is removed. 

Though this is not an US matter at all, I think you are welcome here.

  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rosmodemusa/

73 Rein W6SZ 




-Original Message-
>From: "John Becker, WØJAB" 
>Sent: Jul 9, 2010 2:18 PM
>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
>
>I think many would like to have a answer once and for all
>on this issue if some have been "banned" from using the 
>software.
>
>John, W0JAB
>digitalradio co moderator
>
>At 12:54 PM 7/9/2010, you wrote:
>>Could this ROS discussion be taken offline or elsewhere? 
>>
>>I expect others, like I, are sick of the rehashing. (And if you are sick
>>please don't reply in support of this message - that would be as bad as the
>>rehashing.) 
>>
>>Andy??
>>
>> 
>> - 73 - 
>>Rud Merriam K5RUD 
>>http://mysticlakesoftware.com/
>
>
>
>
>
>http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>
>Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

[John Becker, WØJAB]

I think many would like to have a answer once and for all
on this issue if some have been "banned" from using the 
software.

John, W0JAB
digitalradio co moderator

At 12:54 PM 7/9/2010, you wrote:
>Could this ROS discussion be taken offline or elsewhere? 
>
>I expect others, like I, are sick of the rehashing. (And if you are sick
>please don't reply in support of this message - that would be as bad as the
>rehashing.) 
>
>Andy??
>
> 
> - 73 - 
>Rud Merriam K5RUD 
>http://mysticlakesoftware.com/

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

[John Becker, WØJAB]

After loading a "updated" version as he said that everyone
needed to do. After entering my call it would not work.

Just like others have posted that they could no longer use it.
I have not tried it again and will not try it.

Touch a hot stove and get burned one will not touch it again.

I will never try ROS again.

I did not try it on the XYL's and will not.


At 12:43 PM 7/9/2010, you wrote:
>OK John.
>
>Understood.
>
>Did it work on your computer?
>Did it work on the xyl's computer?
>
>( I like to know whether there is such a list in the program.)
>
>If there is, then I think it is a hopeless case. And NOBODY should 
>use ROS. NOBODY, foreign or domestic.
>
>
>73 Rein W6SZ

RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

[Rud Merriam]

Could this ROS discussion be taken offline or elsewhere? 

I expect others, like I, are sick of the rehashing. (And if you are sick
please don't reply in support of this message - that would be as bad as the
rehashing.) 

Andy??

 
 - 73 - 
Rud Merriam K5RUD 
http://mysticlakesoftware.com/


> -Original Message-
> From: rein...@ix.netcom.com [mailto:rein...@ix.netcom.com] 
> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 12:43 PM
> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
> 
> 
> OK John.
> 
> Understood.
> 
> Did it work on your computer?
> Did it work on the xyl's computer?
> 
> ( I like to know whether there is such a list in the program.)
> 
> If there is, then I think it is a hopeless case. And NOBODY should 
> use ROS. NOBODY, foreign or domestic.
> 
> 
> 73 Rein W6SZ
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> >From: "John Becker, WØJAB" 
> >Sent: Jul 9, 2010 1:14 PM
> >To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
> >
> >Sorry Rein -
> >
> >Please forgive as that was about the time I was having big time 
> >computer problems. Lost a bunch of emails.
> >
> >what was that my "final question" again.
> >
> >John, W0JAB
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
> >Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
> >
> >Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
> Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
> 
> Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

[rein0zn]

OK John.

Understood.

Did it work on your computer?
Did it work on the xyl's computer?

( I like to know whether there is such a list in the program.)

If there is, then I think it is a hopeless case. And NOBODY should 
use ROS. NOBODY, foreign or domestic.


73 Rein W6SZ



-Original Message-
>From: "John Becker, WØJAB" 
>Sent: Jul 9, 2010 1:14 PM
>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
>
>Sorry Rein -
>
>Please forgive as that was about the time I was having big time
>computer problems. Lost a bunch of emails.
>
>what was that my "final question" again.
>
>John, W0JAB
>
>
>
>
>
>http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>
>Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

[John Becker, WØJAB]

Sorry Rein -

Please forgive as that was about the time I was having big time
computer problems. Lost a bunch of emails.

what was that my "final question" again.

John, W0JAB

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

[rein0zn]

HI John

Let me make a few things clear.

First and foremost I was rejected as a subscriber of the official list!
At the time I was not aware of the some 150 messages on the QRZ.com about
ROS, its author and the rest. A big eyeopener!

If Jose has calls hardwired in a list prohibiting amateurs using his software
and want to promote his package ( and he does ) he can only be classified
as insane. 

The biggest problem between Jose and myself is about the difference
between the FCC and the ARRL. If I send him info about other modes
he translates that as being anti ROS, He is crazy but it really 
does not matter too much for me.

>From the beginning I thought that the author's lack of a few basic human
properties was creating a lot of misunderstanding and I tried to defend
Jose. 

In that process I was warned by unnamed people with official functions
in the US ( like publishing a radio amateur newsletter and the IARU )
to stay away form this ROS mass because it would only cause me problems 

OK you and I exchanged emails about being prohibited using the ROS software
I tried to help you, you thanked me but did not answer my final question!
So I know just about every thingthere is to know about this going all the
way back to the story about the agent 3040 I think the number was and Tim N3...

We, as radio amateurs are using hardware and software and what have you 
produced by others that most of the time we know little or nothing about
It does not really make much difference for me whether I know much about
those that had something to do with what I am playing with. Do I like
Bill Gates? Some engineer in Japan? And so on.

73 Rein W6SZ





-Original Message-
>From: "John Becker, WØJAB" 
>Sent: Jul 9, 2010 12:08 PM
>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
>
>At 08:58 AM 7/9/2010, you wrote:
>
>>  extremely wicked; "nefarious schemes"; "a villainous plot"; "a villainous 
>> band of thieves"
>
>Rein are you trying to tell us that NONE of this never happened ?
>The list of banned, and other thing that have been posted that this
>program has been said to do.
>
>This program is doing a lot more then we have been told.
>And it seems to me (as well as others)  the we may never
>know just what it is doing.
>
>The HAM community dose need this.
>
>
>
>
>
>http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>
>Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

[John Becker, WØJAB]

At 08:58 AM 7/9/2010, you wrote:

>  extremely wicked; "nefarious schemes"; "a villainous plot"; "a villainous 
> band of thieves"

Rein are you trying to tell us that NONE of this never happened ?
The list of banned, and other thing that have been posted that this
program has been said to do.

This program is doing a lot more then we have been told.
And it seems to me (as well as others)  the we may never
know just what it is doing.

The HAM community dose need this.

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

[rein0zn]

  extremely wicked; "nefarious schemes"; "a villainous plot"; "a villainous 
band of thieves"

I had to use Google to learn that expression. Not using it much in daily 
conversations.

What are you trying to get to James?

Why is it that trying to figure out how systems work excites you?

Once I am through with this little project you might understand or
perhaps not why I am doing this. 

73 Rein W6SZ


I had to use Google to learn that expression.

-Original Message-
>From: James Hall 
>Sent: Jul 8, 2010 4:00 PM
>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
>
>Looks like this is a DX Cluster server available on the Internet running a
>software package called DXSpider.
>http://wiki.dxcluster.org/index.php/Main_Page Doesn't seem to be nefarious
>at all to me. Telnet in, give your callsign and it'll start giving you info.
>I have no clue how to read this but there it is.
>
>On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Steinar Aanesland wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hi Rain
>>
>> You have absolutely right . ROS are sending data from your PC to the
>> cluster. Try to type the IP address 90.225.73.203:8000 into your
>> browser and you get this:
>>
>> login: GET / HTTP/1.1
>>
>> Host: 90.225.73.203:8000
>> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; nb-NO; rv:1.9.2.6)
>> Gecko/20100625 Firefox/3.6.6
>> Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
>> Accept-Language: nb,no;q=0.8,nn;q=0.6,en-us;q=0.4,en;q=0.2
>> Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate
>> Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
>> Keep-Alive: 115
>> Connection: keep-alive
>>
>> Sorry GET / HTTP/1.1 is an invalid callsign
>>
>> -
>>
>> Then try to type c:>telnet 90.225.73.203 8000 , then you will see that
>> this is TELNET and that explains the funny call sings . Whe people is
>> bande in this software whey are using a fake call sign . This fake call
>> sign is the sent to the cluster when people is in RX mode.
>>
>> I hope this is understandable .
>>
>> LA5VNA Steinar
>>
>> On 08.07.2010 20:53, Steinar Aanesland wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Rein
>> >
>> > After reading your mail about ROS and the HamSpots , I have done some
>> > testing. I have monitored the activity of the latest ROS v4.5.7 in RX
>> > mode. I have been using Process Explorer from Sysinternals (microsoft)
>> > .With The Process Explorer you have the possibility to see the network
>> > activity in real time .
>> >
>> > What I fount out was that the ADIFdata2 module in ROS was trying to
>> > connect to the address: 90.225.73.203, 217.31.161.71,8 or
>> > 217.31.161.34.50 on port 8000 and sending data from my computer.
>> >
>> > LA5VNA Steinar
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 08.07.2010 05:20, Rein A wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Thank you, Laurei:
>> >>
>> >> Where Do The Spots Come From?
>> >> 08-Jul-2010 14:45utc
>> >> There has been much internet speculation that HamSpots gets the ROS
>> > spots directly from the ROS Software. This is INCORRECT.
>> >> ROS spots are retrieved from the DX Cluster ONLY.
>> >> This site has no relationship with the ROS software or its developer.
>> >>
>> >> HamSpots maintains a private dedicated Cluster Node and processes all
>> > incoming spots to that node to determine the mode being used (ROS, PSK,
>> > RTTY, SSTV, HELL, etc.) to display correctly on the individual Mode
>> Pages.
>> >>
>> >> HamSpots also takes direct feeds from the PSKReporter Network (thanks
>> > to N1DQ) and the JT65 Reverse Beacon Network (thanks to W6CQZ).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 73 Rein, W6SZ
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>  
>>

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

[James Hall]

Looks like this is a DX Cluster server available on the Internet running a
software package called DXSpider.
http://wiki.dxcluster.org/index.php/Main_Page Doesn't seem to be nefarious
at all to me. Telnet in, give your callsign and it'll start giving you info.
I have no clue how to read this but there it is.

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Steinar Aanesland wrote:

>
>
> Hi Rain
>
> You have absolutely right . ROS are sending data from your PC to the
> cluster. Try to type the IP address 90.225.73.203:8000 into your
> browser and you get this:
>
> login: GET / HTTP/1.1
>
> Host: 90.225.73.203:8000
> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; nb-NO; rv:1.9.2.6)
> Gecko/20100625 Firefox/3.6.6
> Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
> Accept-Language: nb,no;q=0.8,nn;q=0.6,en-us;q=0.4,en;q=0.2
> Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate
> Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
> Keep-Alive: 115
> Connection: keep-alive
>
> Sorry GET / HTTP/1.1 is an invalid callsign
>
> -
>
> Then try to type c:>telnet 90.225.73.203 8000 , then you will see that
> this is TELNET and that explains the funny call sings . Whe people is
> bande in this software whey are using a fake call sign . This fake call
> sign is the sent to the cluster when people is in RX mode.
>
> I hope this is understandable .
>
> LA5VNA Steinar
>
> On 08.07.2010 20:53, Steinar Aanesland wrote:
> >
> > Hi Rein
> >
> > After reading your mail about ROS and the HamSpots , I have done some
> > testing. I have monitored the activity of the latest ROS v4.5.7 in RX
> > mode. I have been using Process Explorer from Sysinternals (microsoft)
> > .With The Process Explorer you have the possibility to see the network
> > activity in real time .
> >
> > What I fount out was that the ADIFdata2 module in ROS was trying to
> > connect to the address: 90.225.73.203, 217.31.161.71,8 or
> > 217.31.161.34.50 on port 8000 and sending data from my computer.
> >
> > LA5VNA Steinar
> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 08.07.2010 05:20, Rein A wrote:
> >>
> >> Thank you, Laurei:
> >>
> >> Where Do The Spots Come From?
> >> 08-Jul-2010 14:45utc
> >> There has been much internet speculation that HamSpots gets the ROS
> > spots directly from the ROS Software. This is INCORRECT.
> >> ROS spots are retrieved from the DX Cluster ONLY.
> >> This site has no relationship with the ROS software or its developer.
> >>
> >> HamSpots maintains a private dedicated Cluster Node and processes all
> > incoming spots to that node to determine the mode being used (ROS, PSK,
> > RTTY, SSTV, HELL, etc.) to display correctly on the individual Mode
> Pages.
> >>
> >> HamSpots also takes direct feeds from the PSKReporter Network (thanks
> > to N1DQ) and the JT65 Reverse Beacon Network (thanks to W6CQZ).
> >>
> >>
> >> 73 Rein, W6SZ
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>  
>

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

[Laurie, VK3AMA]

I finally installed ROS and it triggered my firewall trying to connect 
to 109.72.112.37 port 7300.

I did a Telnet, it is Cluster Node US6IQ-1

Today I again started ROS and this time the firewall triggered on ROS 
connecting to 82.182.70.198 port 8000, which is Cluster Node SM6YOU-2

I have never used either of these nodes, so obviously, they are 
hard-coded into ROS.

I note from viewing the Cluster Spots, there are a several Cluster Nodes 
(these two included) that are used frequently for sending ROS spots.

It appears the Mr ROS has hard-coded several Cluster nodes and changes 
which is used. There is no option in ROS to allow the user to select 
their preferred Cluster Node.

Just my observations.

de Laurie, VK3AMA





On 9/07/2010 5:28 AM, Steinar Aanesland wrote:
> Hi Rain
>
> You have absolutely right . ROS are sending data from your PC to the
> cluster. Try to type the IP address  90.225.73.203:8000 into your
> browser and you get this:
>
> login: GET / HTTP/1.1
>
> Host: 90.225.73.203:8000
> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; nb-NO; rv:1.9.2.6)
> Gecko/20100625 Firefox/3.6.6
> Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
> Accept-Language: nb,no;q=0.8,nn;q=0.6,en-us;q=0.4,en;q=0.2
> Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate
> Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
> Keep-Alive: 115
> Connection: keep-alive
>
> Sorry GET / HTTP/1.1 is an invalid callsign
>
>
> -
>
>
> Then try to type c:>telnet 90.225.73.203 8000 , then you will see that
> this is TELNET and  that explains the funny call sings . Whe people is
> bande in this software whey are using a fake call sign . This fake call
> sign is the sent to the cluster when people is in RX mode.
>
> I hope this is understandable .
>
>
> LA5VNA Steinar
>
>
>
>
> On 08.07.2010 20:53, Steinar Aanesland wrote:
>>
>> Hi Rein
>>
>> After reading your mail about ROS and the HamSpots , I have done some
>> testing. I have monitored the activity of the latest  ROS v4.5.7 in RX
>> mode. I have been using Process Explorer from Sysinternals (microsoft)
>> .With The Process Explorer you have the possibility to see the network
>> activity in real time .
>>
>> What I fount out was that  the ADIFdata2 module in ROS was trying to
>> connect to the address: 90.225.73.203,  217.31.161.71,8  or
>> 217.31.161.34.50 on port 8000 and sending data from my computer.
>>
>> LA5VNA Steinar
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 08.07.2010 05:20, Rein A wrote:
>>>
>>>   Thank you, Laurei:
>>>
>>> Where Do The Spots Come From?
>>> 08-Jul-2010 14:45utc
>>> There has been much internet speculation that HamSpots gets the ROS
>> spots directly from the ROS Software. This is INCORRECT.
>>> ROS spots are retrieved from the DX Cluster ONLY.
>>> This site has no relationship with the ROS software or its developer.
>>>
>>> HamSpots maintains a private dedicated Cluster Node and processes all
>> incoming spots to that node to determine the mode being used (ROS, PSK,
>> RTTY, SSTV, HELL, etc.) to display correctly on the individual Mode Pages.
>>>
>>> HamSpots also takes direct feeds from the PSKReporter Network (thanks
>> to N1DQ) and the JT65 Reverse Beacon Network (thanks to W6CQZ).
>>>
>>>
>>> 73 Rein, W6SZ
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
> Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>
> Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

[rein0zn]

Here are some US calls appearing over the last couple of hours
on HAMSPOTS: 

Injected via TELNET or other.

KN6V
KE5AKG
K3ML
W7YW
KR6E
KI6JL


for more or no info on these callsigns per official FCC records
see

   http://www.qrz.com/db/?cmd=1

73 Rein W6SZ


-Original Message-
>From: Steinar Aanesland 
>Sent: Jul 8, 2010 4:25 PM
>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
>
>
>Yes , that is what is seems to me Rein.
>
>Let me try to explain the in my Norwegian English.
>Lest assume you are on mister ROS's hate list,  but what to test the
>software i RX mod. You are using a fake call sign to get the software is
>working.
>When you are starting the software it connect it self to a cluster via
>telnet using the fake call sing, and all your logging are sent to the
>cluster.
>
>la5vna Steinar
>
>
>
>
>On 08.07.2010 22:04, rein...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>> Hello Steinar,
>>
>> Are you telling me that people are sending those calls to the cluster and 
>> then
>> from there end up at the  HAMSPOTS site, and never actually use those calls 
>> in 
>> transmissions? 
>>
>> Just noticed a call sign from somebody, some 25 miles from here, logged on 
>> the 
>> Twente WEBSDR! 
>>
>> 73 Rein W6SZ
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>   
>>> From: Steinar Aanesland 
>>> Sent: Jul 8, 2010 3:28 PM
>>> To: * Digitalradio 
>>> Subject: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
>>>
>>> Hi Rain
>>>
>>> You have absolutely right . ROS are sending data from your PC to the
>>> cluster. Try to type the IP address  90.225.73.203:8000 into your
>>> browser and you get this:
>>>
>>> login: GET / HTTP/1.1
>>>
>>> Host: 90.225.73.203:8000
>>> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; nb-NO; rv:1.9.2.6)
>>> Gecko/20100625 Firefox/3.6.6
>>> Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
>>> Accept-Language: nb,no;q=0.8,nn;q=0.6,en-us;q=0.4,en;q=0.2
>>> Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate
>>> Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
>>> Keep-Alive: 115
>>> Connection: keep-alive
>>>
>>> Sorry GET / HTTP/1.1 is an invalid callsign
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>>
>>>
>>> Then try to type c:>telnet 90.225.73.203 8000 , then you will see that
>>> this is TELNET and  that explains the funny call sings . Whe people is
>>> bande in this software whey are using a fake call sign . This fake call
>>> sign is the sent to the cluster when people is in RX mode.
>>>
>>> I hope this is understandable .
>>>
>>>
>>> LA5VNA Steinar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 08.07.2010 20:53, Steinar Aanesland wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Rein
>>>>
>>>> After reading your mail about ROS and the HamSpots , I have done some
>>>> testing. I have monitored the activity of the latest  ROS v4.5.7 in RX
>>>> mode. I have been using Process Explorer from Sysinternals (microsoft)
>>>> .With The Process Explorer you have the possibility to see the network
>>>> activity in real time .
>>>>
>>>> What I fount out was that  the ADIFdata2 module in ROS was trying to
>>>> connect to the address: 90.225.73.203,  217.31.161.71,8  or
>>>> 217.31.161.34.50 on port 8000 and sending data from my computer.
>>>>
>>>> LA5VNA Steinar
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 08.07.2010 05:20, Rein A wrote:
>>>>   
>>>>>  Thank you, Laurei:
>>>>>
>>>>> Where Do The Spots Come From?
>>>>> 08-Jul-2010 14:45utc
>>>>> There has been much internet speculation that HamSpots gets the ROS
>>>>> 
>>>> spots directly from the ROS Software. This is INCORRECT.
>>>>   
>>>>> ROS spots are retrieved from the DX Cluster ONLY.
>>>>> This site has no relationship with the ROS software or its developer.
>>>>>
>>>>> HamSpots maintains a private dedicated Cluster Node and processes all
>>>>> 
>>>> incoming spots to that node to determine the mode being used (ROS, PSK,
>>>> RTTY, SSTV, HELL, etc.) to display correctly on the individual Mode Pages.
>>>>   
>>>>> HamSpots also takes direct feeds from the PSKReporter Network (thanks
>>>>> 
>>>> to N1DQ) and the JT65 Reverse Beacon Network (thanks to W6CQZ).
>>>>   
>>>>>
>>>>> 73 Rein, W6SZ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>>> Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>>>
>>> Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>
>>   
>
>
>
>
>
>http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>
>Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

[rein0zn]

Steinar,

Sorry, my answer messages are getting out with too much delay
So the logical sequence gets lost.

73 Rein W6SZ


Group Owner Note:  Rein...your last two messages were idetified by Yahoo as 
"spam", not sure why.
Andy K3UK


-Original Message-
>From: Steinar Aanesland 
>Sent: Jul 8, 2010 4:25 PM
>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
>
>
>Yes , that is what is seems to me Rein.
>
>Let me try to explain the in my Norwegian English.
>Lest assume you are on mister ROS's hate list,  but what to test the
>software i RX mod. You are using a fake call sign to get the software is
>working.
>When you are starting the software it connect it self to a cluster via
>telnet using the fake call sing, and all your logging are sent to the
>cluster.
>
>la5vna Steinar
>
>
>
>
>On 08.07.2010 22:04, rein...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>> Hello Steinar,
>>
>> Are you telling me that people are sending those calls to the cluster and 
>> then
>> from there end up at the  HAMSPOTS site, and never actually use those calls 
>> in 
>> transmissions? 
>>
>> Just noticed a call sign from somebody, some 25 miles from here, logged on 
>> the 
>> Twente WEBSDR! 
>>
>> 73 Rein W6SZ
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>   
>>> From: Steinar Aanesland 
>>> Sent: Jul 8, 2010 3:28 PM
>>> To: * Digitalradio 
>>> Subject: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
>>>
>>> Hi Rain
>>>
>>> You have absolutely right . ROS are sending data from your PC to the
>>> cluster. Try to type the IP address  90.225.73.203:8000 into your
>>> browser and you get this:
>>>
>>> login: GET / HTTP/1.1
>>>
>>> Host: 90.225.73.203:8000
>>> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; nb-NO; rv:1.9.2.6)
>>> Gecko/20100625 Firefox/3.6.6
>>> Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
>>> Accept-Language: nb,no;q=0.8,nn;q=0.6,en-us;q=0.4,en;q=0.2
>>> Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate
>>> Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
>>> Keep-Alive: 115
>>> Connection: keep-alive
>>>
>>> Sorry GET / HTTP/1.1 is an invalid callsign
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>>
>>>
>>> Then try to type c:>telnet 90.225.73.203 8000 , then you will see that
>>> this is TELNET and  that explains the funny call sings . Whe people is
>>> bande in this software whey are using a fake call sign . This fake call
>>> sign is the sent to the cluster when people is in RX mode.
>>>
>>> I hope this is understandable .
>>>
>>>
>>> LA5VNA Steinar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 08.07.2010 20:53, Steinar Aanesland wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Rein
>>>>
>>>> After reading your mail about ROS and the HamSpots , I have done some
>>>> testing. I have monitored the activity of the latest  ROS v4.5.7 in RX
>>>> mode. I have been using Process Explorer from Sysinternals (microsoft)
>>>> .With The Process Explorer you have the possibility to see the network
>>>> activity in real time .
>>>>
>>>> What I fount out was that  the ADIFdata2 module in ROS was trying to
>>>> connect to the address: 90.225.73.203,  217.31.161.71,8  or
>>>> 217.31.161.34.50 on port 8000 and sending data from my computer.
>>>>
>>>> LA5VNA Steinar
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 08.07.2010 05:20, Rein A wrote:
>>>>   
>>>>>  Thank you, Laurei:
>>>>>
>>>>> Where Do The Spots Come From?
>>>>> 08-Jul-2010 14:45utc
>>>>> There has been much internet speculation that HamSpots gets the ROS
>>>>> 
>>>> spots directly from the ROS Software. This is INCORRECT.
>>>>   
>>>>> ROS spots are retrieved from the DX Cluster ONLY.
>>>>> This site has no relationship with the ROS software or its developer.
>>>>>
>>>>> HamSpots maintains a private dedicated Cluster Node and processes all
>>>>> 
>>>> incoming spots to that node to determine the mode being used (ROS, PSK,
>>>> RTTY, SSTV, HELL, etc.) to display correctly on the individual Mode Pages.
>>>>   
>>>>> HamSpots also takes direct feeds from the PSKReporter Network (thanks
>>>>> 
>>>> to N1DQ) and the JT65 Reverse Beacon Network (thanks to W6CQZ).
>>>>   
>>>>>
>>>>> 73 Rein, W6SZ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>>> Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>>>
>>> Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>
>>   
>
>
>
>
>
>http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>
>Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

[John Becker, WØJAB]

At 02:28 PM 7/8/2010, you wrote:
>Hi Rain
>
>You have absolutely right . ROS are sending data from your PC to the
>cluster. Try to type the IP address  90.225.73.203:8000 into your
>browser and you get this:

Why would it telnet to an IP address in Sweden?

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

[Steinar Aanesland]

Yes , that is what is seems to me Rein.

Let me try to explain the in my Norwegian English.
Lest assume you are on mister ROS's hate list,  but what to test the
software i RX mod. You are using a fake call sign to get the software is
working.
When you are starting the software it connect it self to a cluster via
telnet using the fake call sing, and all your logging are sent to the
cluster.

la5vna Steinar




On 08.07.2010 22:04, rein...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> Hello Steinar,
>
> Are you telling me that people are sending those calls to the cluster and then
> from there end up at the  HAMSPOTS site, and never actually use those calls 
> in 
> transmissions? 
>
> Just noticed a call sign from somebody, some 25 miles from here, logged on 
> the 
> Twente WEBSDR! 
>
> 73 Rein W6SZ
>
> -Original Message-
>   
>> From: Steinar Aanesland 
>> Sent: Jul 8, 2010 3:28 PM
>> To: * Digitalradio 
>> Subject: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
>>
>> Hi Rain
>>
>> You have absolutely right . ROS are sending data from your PC to the
>> cluster. Try to type the IP address  90.225.73.203:8000 into your
>> browser and you get this:
>>
>> login: GET / HTTP/1.1
>>
>> Host: 90.225.73.203:8000
>> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; nb-NO; rv:1.9.2.6)
>> Gecko/20100625 Firefox/3.6.6
>> Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
>> Accept-Language: nb,no;q=0.8,nn;q=0.6,en-us;q=0.4,en;q=0.2
>> Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate
>> Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
>> Keep-Alive: 115
>> Connection: keep-alive
>>
>> Sorry GET / HTTP/1.1 is an invalid callsign
>>
>>
>> -
>>
>>
>> Then try to type c:>telnet 90.225.73.203 8000 , then you will see that
>> this is TELNET and  that explains the funny call sings . Whe people is
>> bande in this software whey are using a fake call sign . This fake call
>> sign is the sent to the cluster when people is in RX mode.
>>
>> I hope this is understandable .
>>
>>
>> LA5VNA Steinar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 08.07.2010 20:53, Steinar Aanesland wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Rein
>>>
>>> After reading your mail about ROS and the HamSpots , I have done some
>>> testing. I have monitored the activity of the latest  ROS v4.5.7 in RX
>>> mode. I have been using Process Explorer from Sysinternals (microsoft)
>>> .With The Process Explorer you have the possibility to see the network
>>> activity in real time .
>>>
>>> What I fount out was that  the ADIFdata2 module in ROS was trying to
>>> connect to the address: 90.225.73.203,  217.31.161.71,8  or
>>> 217.31.161.34.50 on port 8000 and sending data from my computer.
>>>
>>> LA5VNA Steinar
>>>
>>>   
>>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 08.07.2010 05:20, Rein A wrote:
>>>   
>>>>  Thank you, Laurei:
>>>>
>>>> Where Do The Spots Come From?
>>>> 08-Jul-2010 14:45utc
>>>> There has been much internet speculation that HamSpots gets the ROS
>>>> 
>>> spots directly from the ROS Software. This is INCORRECT.
>>>   
>>>> ROS spots are retrieved from the DX Cluster ONLY.
>>>> This site has no relationship with the ROS software or its developer.
>>>>
>>>> HamSpots maintains a private dedicated Cluster Node and processes all
>>>> 
>>> incoming spots to that node to determine the mode being used (ROS, PSK,
>>> RTTY, SSTV, HELL, etc.) to display correctly on the individual Mode Pages.
>>>   
>>>> HamSpots also takes direct feeds from the PSKReporter Network (thanks
>>>> 
>>> to N1DQ) and the JT65 Reverse Beacon Network (thanks to W6CQZ).
>>>   
>>>>
>>>> 73 Rein, W6SZ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>
>>>   
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>> Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>>
>> Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>
>   

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

[rein0zn]

Hello Steinar,

Are you telling me that people are sending those calls to the cluster and then
from there end up at the  HAMSPOTS site, and never actually use those calls in 
transmissions? 

Just noticed a call sign from somebody, some 25 miles from here, logged on the 
Twente WEBSDR! 

73 Rein W6SZ

-Original Message-
>From: Steinar Aanesland 
>Sent: Jul 8, 2010 3:28 PM
>To: * Digitalradio 
>Subject: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC
>
>Hi Rain
>
>You have absolutely right . ROS are sending data from your PC to the
>cluster. Try to type the IP address  90.225.73.203:8000 into your
>browser and you get this:
>
>login: GET / HTTP/1.1
>
>Host: 90.225.73.203:8000
>User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; nb-NO; rv:1.9.2.6)
>Gecko/20100625 Firefox/3.6.6
>Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
>Accept-Language: nb,no;q=0.8,nn;q=0.6,en-us;q=0.4,en;q=0.2
>Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate
>Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
>Keep-Alive: 115
>Connection: keep-alive
>
>Sorry GET / HTTP/1.1 is an invalid callsign
>
>
>-
>
>
>Then try to type c:>telnet 90.225.73.203 8000 , then you will see that
>this is TELNET and  that explains the funny call sings . Whe people is
>bande in this software whey are using a fake call sign . This fake call
>sign is the sent to the cluster when people is in RX mode.
>
>I hope this is understandable .
>
>
>LA5VNA Steinar
>
>
>
>
>On 08.07.2010 20:53, Steinar Aanesland wrote:
>>
>> Hi Rein
>>
>> After reading your mail about ROS and the HamSpots , I have done some
>> testing. I have monitored the activity of the latest  ROS v4.5.7 in RX
>> mode. I have been using Process Explorer from Sysinternals (microsoft)
>> .With The Process Explorer you have the possibility to see the network
>> activity in real time .
>>
>> What I fount out was that  the ADIFdata2 module in ROS was trying to
>> connect to the address: 90.225.73.203,  217.31.161.71,8  or
>> 217.31.161.34.50 on port 8000 and sending data from my computer.
>>
>> LA5VNA Steinar
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 08.07.2010 05:20, Rein A wrote:
>>>
>>>  Thank you, Laurei:
>>>
>>> Where Do The Spots Come From?
>>> 08-Jul-2010 14:45utc
>>> There has been much internet speculation that HamSpots gets the ROS
>> spots directly from the ROS Software. This is INCORRECT.
>>> ROS spots are retrieved from the DX Cluster ONLY.
>>> This site has no relationship with the ROS software or its developer.
>>>
>>> HamSpots maintains a private dedicated Cluster Node and processes all
>> incoming spots to that node to determine the mode being used (ROS, PSK,
>> RTTY, SSTV, HELL, etc.) to display correctly on the individual Mode Pages.
>>>
>>> HamSpots also takes direct feeds from the PSKReporter Network (thanks
>> to N1DQ) and the JT65 Reverse Beacon Network (thanks to W6CQZ).
>>>
>>>
>>> 73 Rein, W6SZ
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>
>Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

[digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi Rain

You have absolutely right . ROS are sending data from your PC to the
cluster. Try to type the IP address  90.225.73.203:8000 into your
browser and you get this:

login: GET / HTTP/1.1

Host: 90.225.73.203:8000
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; nb-NO; rv:1.9.2.6)
Gecko/20100625 Firefox/3.6.6
Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
Accept-Language: nb,no;q=0.8,nn;q=0.6,en-us;q=0.4,en;q=0.2
Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate
Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
Keep-Alive: 115
Connection: keep-alive

Sorry GET / HTTP/1.1 is an invalid callsign


-


Then try to type c:>telnet 90.225.73.203 8000 , then you will see that
this is TELNET and  that explains the funny call sings . Whe people is
bande in this software whey are using a fake call sign . This fake call
sign is the sent to the cluster when people is in RX mode.

I hope this is understandable .


LA5VNA Steinar




On 08.07.2010 20:53, Steinar Aanesland wrote:
>
> Hi Rein
>
> After reading your mail about ROS and the HamSpots , I have done some
> testing. I have monitored the activity of the latest  ROS v4.5.7 in RX
> mode. I have been using Process Explorer from Sysinternals (microsoft)
> .With The Process Explorer you have the possibility to see the network
> activity in real time .
>
> What I fount out was that  the ADIFdata2 module in ROS was trying to
> connect to the address: 90.225.73.203,  217.31.161.71,8  or
> 217.31.161.34.50 on port 8000 and sending data from my computer.
>
> LA5VNA Steinar
>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 08.07.2010 05:20, Rein A wrote:
>>
>>  Thank you, Laurei:
>>
>> Where Do The Spots Come From?
>> 08-Jul-2010 14:45utc
>> There has been much internet speculation that HamSpots gets the ROS
> spots directly from the ROS Software. This is INCORRECT.
>> ROS spots are retrieved from the DX Cluster ONLY.
>> This site has no relationship with the ROS software or its developer.
>>
>> HamSpots maintains a private dedicated Cluster Node and processes all
> incoming spots to that node to determine the mode being used (ROS, PSK,
> RTTY, SSTV, HELL, etc.) to display correctly on the individual Mode Pages.
>>
>> HamSpots also takes direct feeds from the PSKReporter Network (thanks
> to N1DQ) and the JT65 Reverse Beacon Network (thanks to W6CQZ).
>>
>>
>> 73 Rein, W6SZ
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] ROS on 40 meters

[Dave]

And I would recommend that anyone wanting to use ROS should be required to read 
this thread on QRZ which highlights some of the "shadier" aspects of this 
program. 

http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php...&highlight=ros


And of course, you can search the archives of this mailing list for (literally) 
hundreds of messages discussing the legality of the mode in the US.

Dave
K3DCW



On Jul 5, 2010, at 1:58 PM, phil g wrote:

> 
> I'm bored, so I'll bite. 
> It is my understanding that in the US, ROS is only allowed above 222Mhz.
> On 40M, you would be held to SWL status.
> You should find it around 7.053 to 7.056.
>  
> phil
> n4zsa
> - Original Message -
> From: "John Becker, WØJAB"
> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 1:43 PM
> Subject: [digitalradio] ROS on 40 meters
> 
>  
> What freq is the ROS mode being used on 40 Meters?
> World like to play with it a bit.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 

Dave


www.k3dcw.net
Real radio bounces off the sky

Re: [digitalradio] ROS on 40 meters

[phil g]

I'm bored, so I'll bite.  
It is my understanding that in the US, ROS is only allowed above 222Mhz.
On 40M, you would be held to SWL status.
You should find it around 7.053 to 7.056.

phil
n4zsa
  - Original Message - 
  From: "John Becker, WØJAB" 
  To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 1:43 PM
  Subject: [digitalradio] ROS on 40 meters



  What freq is the ROS mode being used on 40 Meters?
  World like to play with it a bit.

  John



  

Re: [digitalradio] ROS on 40 meters

[John Becker, WØJAB]

If I download a new version I will   "NOT"   be able to use
the program. For a unknown reason I was one of the people 
that Jose has seen unfit to use it.

That was the reason I had to "beg" for a earlier venison of it.

But thanks for your reply.

At 03:50 PM 7/5/2010, you wrote:


>If you download and installed the newest version you will find the qrg in the 
>software
>
>You CAN use it with rig control and set the right qrg via serial port & but 
>you can also use a rig without cat and tune in by hand
>
>The qrg of ALL bands can be found in the soft in the frequency tab
>
>Dg9bfc
>
>Sigi
>
>Ps in the qrg tab you see also the mode being used (example bw 0k5 on 30m etc)

AW: [digitalradio] ROS on 40 meters

[Siegfried Jackstien]

If you download and installed the newest version you will find the qrg in
the software

You CAN use it with rig control and set the right qrg via serial port . but
you can also use a rig without cat and tune in by hand

The qrg of ALL bands can be found in the soft in the frequency tab

Dg9bfc

Sigi

Ps in the qrg tab you see also the mode being used (example bw 0k5 on 30m
etc)

[digitalradio] ROS on 40 meters

[John Becker, WØJAB]

What freq is the ROS mode being used on 40 Meters?
World like to play with it a bit.


John

Re: [digitalradio] ROS 10 meters

[Wes Linscott]

And cause QRM in the beacon subband...

So much for the "Gentlemen's Agreement"!

Wes W1LIC




From: Andy obrien 
To: digitalradio 
Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 7:42:58 PM
Subject: [digitalradio] ROS 10 meters

FYI

"Changes on 10 meters
29 May, 2010

At the suggestion of some USA operators, we are changed ROS 10 meters
frequency: Now is 28295 instead of 28305.

USA Hams of the  “ROS is not SS” Platform are not agree with ARRL
about ROS is view as SS, and they dont see any different between MT63
and ROS, except a more robutness for DX.

So they are going to use ROS on 10 meters.

Congratulations and enjoy ROS "




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Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

[Rik van Riel]

On 06/02/2010 12:15 PM, Steinar Aanesland wrote:

> let's forget about this "Mr. Ros without manners" and his new a Yahoo list.
>
> There is a lot of decent programmers out there, making excellent HAM
> software.  Mr. Ros is not worth the attention he and he's
> frequency-hopping spread spectrum software is getting.

Mr Ros has the right to:
- limit who uses his software
- keep the ROS protocol info secret
- limit who is allowed in his community

Of course, either of these three modes alone is a serious
deterrent to adoption of his modes by the ham radio community.

All three together are a death knell.

However, that is his choice.

-- 
All rights reversed.

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

[Trevor .]

--- On Wed, 2/6/10, Dave Sparks  wrote:
> Found the section.  It is
> 97.309(a)(4) of the code:
> 
> http://www.arrl.org/technical-characteristics
> 
> The reverse-engineering part is an inference on my part.

No chance of reverse-engineering Pactor III from the information provided. 

73 Trevor M5AKA 



  

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

[Dave Sparks]

I have been experimenting with APRS-PSK63 lately.  I'll probably get back to 
JT65 one of these days.  I may even run ROS in beacon receive-only mode on 
occasion.

--
Dave Sparks
AF6AS

--
From: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:34 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

> Hello Dave,
>
> Don't sse ypou much anymore on HF WSJT ,changes in antenna?
>
> OK and thanks.
>
> I contacted the people in VA and they replied right away. telling me
> that they had stopped the mode. as a result of this case and I believe
> a ruling / statement by ARRL ( probably only , no official FCC staements)
> Very hard to check what is true and false. The stop is TRUE though
> MT63 or 61 is in use with MARS But MT63 is no SS I believe
> (not published  stepping patterns etc )
>
> 73 Rein W6SZ
 

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

[Dave Sparks]

Found the section.  It is 97.309(a)(4) of the code:

http://www.arrl.org/technical-characteristics

The reverse-engineering part is an inference on my part.

--
Dave Sparks
AF6AS

--
From: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:01 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

> Hello Dave, AF6AS,
>
> "IIRC"  what does it stand for?
>
> There has to be enough information to at least reverse-engineer a mode by 
> the FCC (and the NSA).
>
> Is that documented somewhere, not that I want to question the statement or 
> you.
>
> What about something like:  "Those need to be able to read/decode it under 
> all circumstances  "
>
> 73 Rein W6SZ
 

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

[rein0zn]

Hello Dave,

Don't sse ypou much anymore on HF WSJT ,changes in antenna?

OK and thanks.

I contacted the people in VA and they replied right away. telling me
that they had stopped the mode. as a result of this case and I believe
a ruling / statement by ARRL ( probably only , no official FCC staements)
Very hard to check what is true and false. The stop is TRUE though
MT63 or 61 is in use with MARS But MT63 is no SS I believe
(not published  stepping patterns etc )

73 Rein W6SZ


-Original Message-
>From: Dave Sparks 
>Sent: Jun 2, 2010 4:27 PM
>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP
>
>IIRC = "if I remember correctly".
>
>The documentation issue stemmed from someone who complained that PACTOR, and 
>maybe other digital modes, could be considered "codes or cyphers", and the 
>FCC ruled that they weren't because they were publicly documented.  The 
>source code has not been released by SCS, however.  A public spec would 
>resolve the issue of whether ROS is SS or not.
>
>I can't locate a reference to this issue, but if no one else remembers it, I 
>will do a more intensive search on the subject
>
>I'm still wondering how CHIP-64 seems to be allowed on HF by the FCC.  It is 
>admittedly Spread Spectrum.
>
>--
>Dave - AF6AS
>
>----------
>From: 
>Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:01 PM
>To: 
>Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP
>
>> Hello Dave, AF6AS,
>>
>> "IIRC"  what does it stand for?
>>
>> There has to be enough information to at least reverse-engineer a mode by 
>> the FCC (and the NSA).
>>
>> Is that documented somewhere, not that I want to question the statement or 
>> you.
>>
>> What about something like:  "Those need to be able to read/decode it under 
>> all circumstances  "
>>
>> 73 Rein W6SZ
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>>From: Dave Sparks 
>>>Sent: Jun 2, 2010 2:14 PM
>>>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>>>Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP
>>>
>>>Oops, I missed that.
>>>
>>>What I *THOUGHT* you were saying is that you tried making a call (to a 
>>>station with the current release) and succeeded.  You might only be able 
>>>to communicate with stations within a narrow range of release numbers near 
>>>to the one you possess.
>>>
>>>I do think that demands for source code might be unnecessary, but IIRC a 
>>>complete specification of the protocol is necessary.  That's why PACTOR is 
>>>legal.  There has to be enough information to at least reverse-engineer a 
>>>mode by the FCC (and the NSA).
>>>
>>>--
>>>Dave - AF6AS
>>>  - Original Message - 
>>>  From: "John Becker, WØJAB"
>>>  To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>>>  Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:58 AM
>>>  Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  I think that is what I said below now in RED
>>>  By my call I mean  W0JAB
>>>
>>>
>>>  At 12:44 PM 6/2/2010, you wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>- Original Message - 
>>>> But since I have it on a flash drive I did install it on the laptop 
>>> and
>>>> gave it a call other then my call and it worked fine.
>>>>
>>>> What do you think?
>>>>
>>>> I think even Ray Charles could see that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jose,  if I'm wrong in any way - feel free to
>>>> jump in here and make any needed corrections.
>>>
>>>I'd be surprised if your version were still compatible with the 
>>> current
>>>version.  Did you try making up a call and trying to put that in the
>>>program, just to make sure that it is your specific call that 
>>> terminates the
>>>program and not any other random call?
>>>
>>>--
>>>Dave
>>>AF6AS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>> Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>>
>> Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>
>Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

[Dave Sparks]

IIRC = "if I remember correctly".

The documentation issue stemmed from someone who complained that PACTOR, and 
maybe other digital modes, could be considered "codes or cyphers", and the 
FCC ruled that they weren't because they were publicly documented.  The 
source code has not been released by SCS, however.  A public spec would 
resolve the issue of whether ROS is SS or not.

I can't locate a reference to this issue, but if no one else remembers it, I 
will do a more intensive search on the subject

I'm still wondering how CHIP-64 seems to be allowed on HF by the FCC.  It is 
admittedly Spread Spectrum.

--
Dave - AF6AS

--
From: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:01 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

> Hello Dave, AF6AS,
>
> "IIRC"  what does it stand for?
>
> There has to be enough information to at least reverse-engineer a mode by 
> the FCC (and the NSA).
>
> Is that documented somewhere, not that I want to question the statement or 
> you.
>
> What about something like:  "Those need to be able to read/decode it under 
> all circumstances  "
>
> 73 Rein W6SZ
>
>
> -Original Message-
>>From: Dave Sparks 
>>Sent: Jun 2, 2010 2:14 PM
>>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>>Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP
>>
>>Oops, I missed that.
>>
>>What I *THOUGHT* you were saying is that you tried making a call (to a 
>>station with the current release) and succeeded.  You might only be able 
>>to communicate with stations within a narrow range of release numbers near 
>>to the one you possess.
>>
>>I do think that demands for source code might be unnecessary, but IIRC a 
>>complete specification of the protocol is necessary.  That's why PACTOR is 
>>legal.  There has to be enough information to at least reverse-engineer a 
>>mode by the FCC (and the NSA).
>>
>>--
>>Dave - AF6AS
>>  - Original Message - 
>>  From: "John Becker, WØJAB"
>>  To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>>  Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:58 AM
>>  Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  I think that is what I said below now in RED
>>  By my call I mean  W0JAB
>>
>>
>>  At 12:44 PM 6/2/2010, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>- Original Message - 
>>> But since I have it on a flash drive I did install it on the laptop 
>> and
>>> gave it a call other then my call and it worked fine.
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>> I think even Ray Charles could see that.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jose,  if I'm wrong in any way - feel free to
>>> jump in here and make any needed corrections.
>>
>>I'd be surprised if your version were still compatible with the 
>> current
>>version.  Did you try making up a call and trying to put that in the
>>program, just to make sure that it is your specific call that 
>> terminates the
>>program and not any other random call?
>>
>>--
>>Dave
>>AF6AS
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> 
>
> http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
> Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>
> Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

[rein0zn]

Hello Dave, AF6AS,

"IIRC"  what does it stand for?

There has to be enough information to at least reverse-engineer a mode by the 
FCC (and the NSA).

Is that documented somewhere, not that I want to question the statement or 
you.

What about something like:  "Those need to be able to read/decode it under all 
circumstances  "

73 Rein W6SZ


-Original Message-
>From: Dave Sparks 
>Sent: Jun 2, 2010 2:14 PM
>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP
>
>Oops, I missed that.
>
>What I *THOUGHT* you were saying is that you tried making a call (to a station 
>with the current release) and succeeded.  You might only be able to 
>communicate with stations within a narrow range of release numbers near to the 
>one you possess.
>
>I do think that demands for source code might be unnecessary, but IIRC a 
>complete specification of the protocol is necessary.  That's why PACTOR is 
>legal.  There has to be enough information to at least reverse-engineer a mode 
>by the FCC (and the NSA).
>
>--
>Dave - AF6AS
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: "John Becker, WØJAB" 
>  To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
>  Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:58 AM
>  Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP
>
>
>
>
>  I think that is what I said below now in RED
>  By my call I mean  W0JAB
>
>
>  At 12:44 PM 6/2/2010, you wrote:
>
>
>- Original Message - 
>> But since I have it on a flash drive I did install it on the laptop and
>> gave it a call other then my call and it worked fine.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> I think even Ray Charles could see that.
>>
>>
>> Jose,  if I'm wrong in any way - feel free to
>> jump in here and make any needed corrections.
>
>I'd be surprised if your version were still compatible with the current 
>version.  Did you try making up a call and trying to put that in the 
>program, just to make sure that it is your specific call that terminates 
> the 
>program and not any other random call?
>
>--
>Dave
>AF6AS
>
>
>
>  

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

[Dave Sparks]

Oops, I missed that.

What I *THOUGHT* you were saying is that you tried making a call (to a station 
with the current release) and succeeded.  You might only be able to communicate 
with stations within a narrow range of release numbers near to the one you 
possess.

I do think that demands for source code might be unnecessary, but IIRC a 
complete specification of the protocol is necessary.  That's why PACTOR is 
legal.  There has to be enough information to at least reverse-engineer a mode 
by the FCC (and the NSA).

--
Dave - AF6AS
  - Original Message - 
  From: "John Becker, WØJAB" 
  To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:58 AM
  Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP




  I think that is what I said below now in RED
  By my call I mean  W0JAB


  At 12:44 PM 6/2/2010, you wrote:


- Original Message - 
> But since I have it on a flash drive I did install it on the laptop and
> gave it a call other then my call and it worked fine.
>
> What do you think?
>
> I think even Ray Charles could see that.
>
>
> Jose,  if I'm wrong in any way - feel free to
> jump in here and make any needed corrections.

I'd be surprised if your version were still compatible with the current 
version.  Did you try making up a call and trying to put that in the 
program, just to make sure that it is your specific call that terminates 
the 
program and not any other random call?

--
Dave
AF6AS



  

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

[John Becker, WØJAB]

I think that is what I said below now in RED
By my call I mean  W0JAB


At 12:44 PM 6/2/2010, you wrote:

>- Original Message - 
>> But since I have it on a flash drive I did install it on the laptop and
>> gave it a call other then my call and it worked fine.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> I think even Ray Charles could see that.
>>
>>
>> Jose,  if I'm wrong in any way - feel free to
>> jump in here and make any needed corrections.
>
>I'd be surprised if your version were still compatible with the current 
>version.  Did you try making up a call and trying to put that in the 
>program, just to make sure that it is your specific call that terminates the 
>program and not any other random call?
>
>--
>Dave
>AF6AS