Re: [tdf-discuss] the translation of Manifesto
Hi all, Yosuke Kato wrote (13-10-10 17:35) I made a Japanese translation and announced to our mailing list. http://oooug.jp/sns/?m=diarya=page_detailtarget_c_diary_id=623 The Dutch translation is here http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/NL/Next_Decade_Manifesto Cor -- - giving openoffice.org its foundation :: The Document Foundation - - ideas/remarks for the community council? See http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Beta 2 available for testing
Hi all, 10 years after the StarOffice code has been opened as OpenOffice.org, The Document Foundation is proud to announce the availability of LibreOffice Beta 2 for public testing. Please, download the suitable package(s) from http://www.documentfoundation.org/download/ install them, and start testing! Should you find bugs, please report them to the FreeDesktop Bugzilla: https://bugs.freedesktop.org If you want to get involved in this exciting project, you can contribute code: http://www.documentfoundation.org/develop/ translate LibreOffice to your language: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/LibreOffice/i18n/translating_3.3 or just donate: http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/ A list of known issues with Beta 2 is available in our wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Beta2 Finally, let us express a BIG Thank You! to the following 84 individuals who have contributed to the LibreOffice source code and translations repository between Beta 1 and Beta 2: Alexandr N. Zamaraev Andras Timar Andreas Mantke Andre Fischer Antón Méixome Armin Le Grand Arnaud Versini Bartosz Kosiorek Caolán McNamara Carsten Driesner Cédric Bosdonnat David Hobley David Tardon Denis Lackovic Dirk Voelzke Evertjan Garretsen Frank Schoenheit Fridrich Štrba Gil Forcada Goran Rakic Hanno Meyer-Thurow Hans-Joachim Lankenau Harri Pitkänen Helen russian Helge Delfs Herbert Duerr Christian Lippka Christian Lohmaier Ingo Schmidt Ingrid Halama Ivo Hinkelmann Jacek Wolszczak Jacopo Nespolo Jan Holesovsky Jesús Corrius J. Graeme Lingard Joachim Lingner Joerg Skottke Joseph Powers Justin Malcolm Kalman Szalai Kohei Yoshida Kurt Zenker Laszlo Nemeth Lior Kaplan Luboš Luňák Luke Symes Marc Neumann Michael Meeks Michael Stahl Michele Ballabio Miklos Vajna Muthu Subramanian K Neil Brown Neil Stalker Nick Savage Niklas Nebel Noel Power Norbert Thiebaud Ocke Janssen Oliver Bolte Oliver Craemer Oliver-Rainer Wittmann Oliver Specht Petr Mladek Phil Bordelon Philipp Lohmann Rene Engelhard Robert Sedak Sean McNamara Sebastian Spaeth Seo Sanghyeon Seung Soo, Ha Stephan Bergmann Sveinn í Felli Sven Jacobi Thomas Klausner Thorsten Behrens Thorsten Bosbach Tobias Krause Tor Lillqvist Vladimir Glazunov William Briand Wolfram Garten Thank you all, The Document Foundation -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] (Re-Post) Survey|Opinion - LibreOffice Install and Update
Hi Scott, :-) On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 12:25, Scott Furry scott.wl.fu...@gmail.com wrote: How do you expect LibreOffice to be updated? On Linux platforms like Ubuntu, Fedora Core, etc, I'd like all updates via my package manager. After all, it's one of the notable advances that's turned a Linux box from a geek toy to a viable tool for non-expert users that is arguably easier to own than a Windows system. On Windows, I'd want to get updates from a central TDF site, although I had a satisfactory experience in the past with the Google Pack. How do you Install/Update LibreOffice? On Linux, via my package manager. On Windows, I've usually just downloaded the current version and installed - over the top of an existing installation, if there was one. But I have also used the Google Pack in the past, and it worked well for me. What do you expect when Installing/Updating LibreOffice? I'd like updates to cover the core software plus all add-ons, clip art libraries, auxiliary components, etc. Other programs have separate updating programs (iTunes being an example), if it was technically feasible, would having a separate install program for LibreOffice (with updating features) be useful to you? That can be useful with a conservative Linux distrib that is tardy in pushing new software versions (e.g. Debian), or for other special cases, but generally your Linux's package manager would be the best way to go, no? Would having a download and update site, as well as a Unix|Linux package repository site, be of value to you? The advantage would be that you might possibly get some things earlier than via your preferred Linux distrib, but it sounds like a big and possibly unjustifiable demand on LibO project resources for the benefits gained. Plus I noticed that Ubuntu distributes an OOo (LibO in future, I guess) that is slightly better integrated visually into Gnome than the current LibO beta I installed... an added value from additional work they do before shipping a distrib update/upgrade? HTH. David Nelson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] (Re-Post) Survey|Opinion - LibreOffice Install and Update
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, On 14/10/2010 09:25, David Nelson wrote: Plus I noticed that Ubuntu distributes an OOo (LibO in future, I guess) that is slightly better integrated visually into Gnome than the current LibO beta I installed... an added value from additional work they do before shipping a distrib update/upgrade? Not really, just that I am building the release versions of LibO so that it can run on any machine where OOo runs (with only little notable upgrade needed and it is glib 2.8.3+). This means that I build against GTK+ 2.4.x series and some of the cool stuff is simply not there in that version. Moreover, the build does not use to the maximum possible extent any system library and dlopens instead of links some others. That is why it is always preferable to rely on your Linux vendor to provide the package for that distribution which might simply be smaller, faster and better integrated. Although, the release build can be basically used everywhere, with some limitations to the user experience. Cheers Fridrich -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAky2xeMACgkQu9a1imXPdA9xKQCfQtd+y5OlSKaLNNeF06xlullV tu8An3iJuyh2Wpy2apQXTmTaE7wEzE6u =GHTM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] the translation of Manifesto
Dear Friends, On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Yosuke Kato y...@drunk.jp wrote: Hi all, On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 21:39:42 +1000 Jean Hollis Weber wrote: Why don't we translate this manifesto to support the preservation of our mother tongues? I translated it to Turkish and published on my blog: http://marenostrum.blogsome.com/2010/10/14/p45/ Linux Users Association's planet got it from there, I'm posting it to the Turkish community. At the moment I don't want to do something wrong on the Wiki. We'll take care of it later with the Turkish community in a coordinated way. Regards, Deniz Ogut -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] I like the name LibreOffice
Yes Povilas, The only problem is with pronunciation. that is one of the two main problems. The other is meaning - Ubuntu managed to sell the meaning of their name and it was in a way inspirational - and so in the end very powerful. Paul On 14 October 2010 07:48, Povilas Kanapickas povilas...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO 'Liberty Office' and 'Office Freedom' associates with liberation and similar things too much. A lot of people won't like that name. I think LibreOffice is just fine. The only problem is with pronunciation. Regards, Povilas On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Eric Jon Renaud eren...@collab.net wrote: I would suggest that LibreOffice would work fine for International English. I guarantee that more people who don't already understand both and 'gratis' will understand (or not) 'Libre' just as well as 'gratis'. Perhaps 'Liberty Office' or 'Office Freedom'. (I make no claim to these names and don't know if they're previously copyrighted, copylefted or under any sort of license) Regards, Eric On Oct 13, 2010, at 3:24 AM, Paul A Norman paul.a.nor...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Stefan, I'm not hooked on any partiacular name just two main principlpes. 1) That the International English name be easy on the tongue for English speakers and with that, that thought be given to language group names in the same way 2) The name mean something for the users (more than for the developers if necessary) Incorporating in the name principles of philosophy of development - - or project administration, will unfrotunately not be of apparent importance or help to potential general new users. Names that 'sell the product' or 'introduce the product' from a user's perspective would be very helpful in helping increase the uptake of the office suite amongst as yet unreached people. Paul On 13 October 2010 21:57, Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org wrote: Paul A Norman schrieb: Romance Languages: LibreOffice International English: FreeOffice Don´t use free! This would cause misunderstanding: FreeOffice -- free office -- gratis office The product is not (only / necessarily) free of charge (freeware). It´s free in sense of liberty. Stefan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] OpenSuSE and Libò
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 17:44 +0200, Carlo Strata wrote: Hi Everyone, this is my first TDF post! :-) I'm an active and long time OpenSuSE and Novell's OOo user and bug poster, too! Now, in my OpenSuSE daily updated 11.2, x86-64, notebook I have Novell/OpenSuSE OBS OOo 3.2.1.6 (x86-64) (still with the famous fixed but not released pdf bug https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=615812). More helping hands are always welcome. Feel free to add the fix to the package, see http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Collaboration My two questions are: 1. May OOo 3.2.1.x/3.3.x and Libò coexist (in the same operating system instance, I mean)? At least in linux? May I go on with just downloaded Libò x86-64 beta2? LibreOffice is continuation of the OpenOffice.org project. We do not plan to provide OpenOffice.org-3.3 for openSUSE. Instead of we are going to provide libreoffice-*-3.3* packages that will replace the older OpenOffice_org packages during the system update. Note that we newer provided the plain OOo packages for openSUSE. We always added the extra patches from the Go-oo project. We are still going to use these extra changes on top of the LibreOffice code. If you want more packages in parallel, you might use the universal LibreOffice Linux packages. They might be installed in parallel with the universal OOo packages, old openSUSE OpenOffice_org packages and the upcoming openSUSE libreoffice packages. It is because they are installed into /opt/libreoffice while the others are installed below /opt/openoffice*, /usr/lib/ooo3, /usr/lib/libreoffice 2. When does Novell/OpenSuSE start to build Libò in his (our!) OBS? I have created the LibreOffice:Unstable project in OBS yesterday. I am running a first test build there. If it goes well, I would publish the libreoffice-3.3-beta2 packages on Friday or Monday. It means that the packages might appear at http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Unstable over the weekend or in the beginning of the following week. It's now time for Novell and OpenSuSE whole Community to start giving solid/concrete Libò/TDF support signs! :-) Sure. We do out best. There are just too many things to do. Thank you very much for your great work, ideas and answers! Have a nice evening Thanks for support and understanding. Best Regards, Petr PS: Please, keep me in CC if you want fater answer. I have many unread mails on the mailing list :-( -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
[tdf-discuss] Oracle to put effort to OOo
Oracle announced that it is going to put a lot of effort in OO.org now. Suppose this will happen: How do you plan to make use of Oracles improvements without being forced to obeying to Oracles will and roadmap? I mean if LO introduces many innovations and improvements, keeping in sync with the OO.org codebase and being able to merge Oracles improvements without a huge porting effort will be a hard job. http://www.facebook.com/libreoffice.org/posts/166628840020524 http://www.facebook.com/libreoffice.org/posts/166628840020524%20 I think the answer gonna be interesting :) -- http://www.ubuntu.com/ Nikola Yanev http://www.gericom.free.bg http://www.gericom.wordpress.com Linux, Mac OS X PC installing Open Source Software support and translations Part of Ubuntu Bulgarian Translators Team EUROPE Bulgaria 8001 Burgas 57 Macedonia str. 1st floor, 2nd apartment Mobile:+359885321589 ---This mail was sent from Ubuntu by Evolution--- http://projects.gnome.org/evolution/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] the translation of Manifesto
Hi all, On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 02:00:54 +0900 Yosuke Kato wrote: Great ! May be your translation could be added to the wiki under the JP category, I've done so for the French translation. It seems khirano has made a pages for JA, so I copied the translation of the manifesto. But.. there are something weird around the links. It seems this mediawiki acts a little different from that I know, e.g. Wikipedia. When you push the Save page or Show preview button, the link will be broken and mediawiki source will be rewritten into html like. (Even NL or FR category, it happens now.) I'll go and ask webs...@lo about this. -- Y(Yosuke Kato) http://ooo-y.jp/ http://twitter.com/yosuke_kato OpenOffice.org Users Group Japan http://oooug.jp/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Donations ?
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 22:32 +0200, Cor Nouws wrote: Sophie Gautier wrote (13-10-10 22:27) I remember Jean request, but not yours sorry. Again, I've tried to get these information displayed with no success. It did help. Finally we started to add some data to the council wiki. See http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Funding_And_Budgets Do check the section at the bottom. Thanks, Cor! I had stopped paying attention to CC stuff because it was too frustrating. Good to know that things finally started happening when I wasn't looking. :-) --Jean -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Oracle to put effort to OOo
On Thu, 2010-10-14, Nikola Yanev wrote: Oracle announced that it is going to put a lot of effort in OO.org now. http://www.facebook.com/libreoffice.org/posts/166628840020524 Here is the original Oracle press release without going through Facebook or Yahoo News: Oracle Demonstrates Continued Support for OpenOffice.org http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/177158 --Jean -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] the translation of Manifesto
Hi, wiki wasn't weird, it was something else. On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:31:51 +0900 Yosuke Kato wrote: Great ! May be your translation could be added to the wiki under the JP category, I've done so for the French translation. It seems khirano has made a pages for JA, so I copied the translation of the manifesto. Hmm. Khirano deleted all my translations. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/JA/Next_Decade_Manifesto I didn't know the We Japanese Language Team has been born in LibreOffice. Does anybody know where they are and where they are working on making the official translation?? But.. there are something weird around the links. It seems this mediawiki acts a little different from that I know, e.g. Wikipedia. This was because I turned off the javascript. My apologies. -- Y(Yosuke Kato) http://ooo-y.jp/ http://twitter.com/yosuke_kato OpenOffice.org Users Group Japan http://oooug.jp/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] OpenSuSE and Libò
Il 14/10/2010 12:12, Petr Mladek ha scritto: On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 17:44 +0200, Carlo Strata wrote: Hi Everyone, this is my first TDF post! :-) I'm an active and long time OpenSuSE and Novell's OOo user and bug poster, too! Now, in my OpenSuSE daily updated 11.2, x86-64, notebook I have Novell/OpenSuSE OBS OOo 3.2.1.6 (x86-64) (still with the famous fixed but not released pdf bug https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=615812). More helping hands are always welcome. Feel free to add the fix to the package, see http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Collaboration Ciao Petr! Thank you! I'd like to make it, but I'm not sure using how much time! Sure there is a more efficient person to do that. And for 3.2.1.x branch remaining life it is convenient that is so. If you take a look to the bug history (last few comments) you could see Debian has already added (merged) and relaesed this fix: now I'm asking why the system force me repeating a task that at least one person has already done all over the world. ;-) More communication, information exchange between distros and between distros and main project portals and newer ideas are needed by XXI century social/cloud development: I'm waiting something revolutionary in this meaning from TDF!!! Efficiency means more reliable and functionality richer code!!! If you look for my Novell/OpenSuSE issues you see that, until now, I had been a bug poster and a bug documenting provider, sometime enhancement suggester too. But in the life we never know the future... ;-) Surely I'll read that collaborating page... My two questions are: 1. May OOo 3.2.1.x/3.3.x and Libò coexist (in the same operating system instance, I mean)? At least in linux? May I go on with just downloaded Libò x86-64 beta2? LibreOffice is continuation of the OpenOffice.org project. We do not plan to provide OpenOffice.org-3.3 for openSUSE. Instead of we are going to provide libreoffice-*-3.3* packages that will replace the older OpenOffice_org packages during the system update. Note that we newer provided the plain OOo packages for openSUSE. We always added the extra patches from the Go-oo project. We are still going to use these extra changes on top of the LibreOffice code. About this there would be many things to say... wouldn't it? From the upper bug history people could see that we know Novell/OpenSuSE OOo is from Go-OO (e.g. 1 million rows in Calc...!) and with the whole features set here http://go-oo.org/discover/ Until OOo - Oracle thread is still foggy, Libò must be identical to vanilla OOo and you/we must still merge remaining Go-OO exclusive features over and in Libò... I hope we soon stop wasting human being time (developer and user too) and refuse creating regression like upper bug is. We all hope Oracle give the whole OOo world, infrastructure, rights, names, and so on to TDF so that we (OOo, Go-OO, NeoO, OOo4Kids, ... and Libò) develop only once. Deo Gratias! If you want more packages in parallel, you might use the universal LibreOffice Linux packages. They might be installed in parallel with the universal OOo packages, old openSUSE OpenOffice_org packages and the upcoming openSUSE libreoffice packages. It is because they are installed into /opt/libreoffice while the others are installed below /opt/openoffice*, /usr/lib/ooo3, /usr/lib/libreoffice You are simply the best! The clearest person all over the World! :-) Thank you! 2. When does Novell/OpenSuSE start to build Libò in his (our!) OBS? I have created the LibreOffice:Unstable project in OBS yesterday. I am running a first test build there. If it goes well, I would publish the libreoffice-3.3-beta2 packages on Friday or Monday. It means that the packages might appear at http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Unstable over the weekend or in the beginning of the following week. So I'll probably wait your builds instead of using the universal LibreOffice Linux packages. It's now time for Novell and OpenSuSE whole Community to start giving solid/concrete Libò/TDF support signs! :-) Sure. We do out best. There are just too many things to do. Thank you very much for your great work, ideas and answers! Have a nice evening Thanks for support and understanding. You are always welcome! Best Regards, Petr Sunny day, Carlo PS: Please, keep me in CC if you want fater answer. I have many unread mails on the mailing list :-( Mee too, but I'm happy with TDF time! :-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Beta 2 available for testing
On 2010-10-14 2:42 AM, The Document Foundation wrote: 10 years after the StarOffice code has been opened as OpenOffice.org, The Document Foundation is proud to announce the availability of LibreOffice Beta 2 for public testing. I had already downloaded this yesterday (about 2:00pm)... Was the Quickstarter bug fixed and the b2 reissued? Or does the problem still exist in the current available download? -- Best regards, Charles -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] the translation of Manifesto
Hi, On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Yosuke Kato y...@drunk.jp wrote: I didn't know the We Japanese Language Team has been born in LibreOffice. Does anybody know where they are and where they are working on making the official translation?? I have no idea but -most probably- you can reach Khirano via this blog: http://openoffice.exblog.jp/ By the way: Are you -Japanese community- making some efforts to join The Document Foundation as a whole? I strongly advice to use current OOo channels and to make a decision as a whole body. Then you can coordinate things such as that translation. As an example, we, the Turkish community made a declaration that we are supporting The Document Foundation and tonight there will be an IRC meeting about what and how to be done. Regards, Deniz Ogut -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Beta 2 available for testing
On 2010-10-14 2:42 AM, The Document Foundation wrote: The Document Foundation is proud to announce the availability of LibreOffice Beta 2 for public testing. Also - and I know the process is still being worked out and will be for a while, but... Will individual language based downloads be available again sometime in the future? Or is there only going to the the one monolithic 'multi'? We only need the en_us version, and I'm sure lots of others only need their language, so everyone downloading 318MB seems like a huge waste of bandwidth... Thanks guys! -- Best regards, Charles -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Beta 2 available for testing
У чет, 14. 10 2010. у 08:20 -0400, Charles Marcus пише: We only need the en_us version, and I'm sure lots of others only need their language, so everyone downloading 318MB seems like a huge waste of bandwidth... On the other hand creating, building, uploading and hosting up to 200MB per language looks like much more expensive. Goran -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Beta 2 available for testing
On 2010-10-14 8:15 AM, Goran Rakic wrote: У чет, 14. 10 2010. у 08:20 -0400, Charles Marcus пише: We only need the en_us version, and I'm sure lots of others only need their language, so everyone downloading 318MB seems like a huge waste of bandwidth... On the other hand creating, building, uploading and hosting up to 200MB per language looks like much more expensive. Good point... but that bandwidth usage is limited to the initial uploads (one time per release), and the mirror updates. I think the savings of 100+MB per download from hundreds of thousands of downloads would trump that pretty quick... ? -- Best regards, Charles -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice crashes when inserting caption
On 10/13/2010 05:22 PM, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-10-13 20:06, NoOp a écrit : On 10/13/2010 10:26 AM, leif wrote: The Beta2 crashes when inserting caption text in Writer. I'm using Ubuntu 32bit. Confirm. Can you please move this over to the users list perhaps we can figure out how to troubleshoot? Gary (NoOp) You'll find the user support here: us...@libreoffice.org: User support list for LibreOffice Subscription: users+subscr...@libreoffice.org Digest subscription: users+subscribe-dig...@libreoffice.org Archives: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/users/ GMANE: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.user I posted on the dev list Michael Meeks reports: Thanks for the bug report :-) Caolan just fixed it (calc.cxx): a6a98d1a (Caolán McNamara 2010-10-13 20:28:08 +0100 1654) if( eLang != SvxLocaleToLanguage( aSysLocale.GetLocaleData().getLocale() ) ) HTH -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Oracle to put effort to OOo
El 14/10/10 10:37, Italo Vignoli escribió: Eduardo Moreno wrote: When will we see the integration of OpenOffice.org with other Oracle products? I have not read about OpenOffice.org / Primavera, Export to ODF from Oracle ERP, etc. You should ask Oracle Yeh, the quetion is retoric. They say We support OpenOffice.org, but no integrate the suite with the others products. I am with TDF. I am with LibreOffice. -- Mi Office genera: Seguridad, Confianza y Ahorro J. Eduardo Moreno TOKONHU de México 044 55 2748 4840 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Oracle to put effort to OOo
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 10:33:00 AM -0500, Eduardo Moreno (emor...@tokonhu.com) wrote: When will we see the integration of OpenOffice.org with other Oracle products? I have not read about OpenOffice.org / Primavera, Export to ODF from Oracle ERP, etc. I don't know anything about Oracle ERP. This said, ODF is completely open and simple enough to hack that export to ODF shouldn't really be a problem, or anything for which anybody should ask permission or any special effort to Oracle. See as example of what I mean this: http://freesoftware.zona-m.net/node/25 or any other example in the ODF scripting area of the same website: http://freesoftware.zona-m.net/odf-scripting Is Oracle ERP so complicated that you can't use the same approach? Offlist answers are fine, since, now that I think about it, this really has nothing to do with LibO or TDF, has it? Marco -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Oracle to put effort to OOo
Le 2010-10-14 06:32, Nikola Yanev a écrit : Oracle announced that it is going to put a lot of effort in OO.org now. Suppose this will happen: How do you plan to make use of Oracles improvements without being forced to obeying to Oracles will and roadmap? I mean if LO introduces many innovations and improvements, keeping in sync with the OO.org codebase and being able to merge Oracles improvements without a huge porting effort will be a hard job. http://www.facebook.com/libreoffice.org/posts/166628840020524 http://www.facebook.com/libreoffice.org/posts/166628840020524%20 I think the answer gonna be interesting :) I think at this point, it is pretty obvious that Oracle has not shown any intention of taking part in this project and we should not expect it to be part of this any more. Our initial expectations were optimistic, but we should no longer expect them but feel pleasantly surprised if they decide in the future to join us. Just as pleasantly surprised if the decide in the future to release the trademarked OpenOffice.org name. They will be another organization just like any other helping out with LibreOffice. Their hold on the community and the namebrand is no longer an issue. I think we are passed that now. Marc -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] OpenSuSE and Libò
Il 14/10/2010 18:39, Petr Mladek ha scritto: Carlo Strata píše v Čt 14. 10. 2010 v 17:52 +0200: Il 14/10/2010 12:12, Petr Mladek ha scritto: If you want more packages in parallel, you might use the universal LibreOffice Linux packages. They might be installed in parallel with the universal OOo packages, old openSUSE OpenOffice_org packages and the upcoming openSUSE libreoffice packages. It is because they are installed into /opt/libreoffice while the others are installed below /opt/openoffice*, /usr/lib/ooo3, /usr/lib/libreoffice I was curious and than I'll install vanilla Libò ;-) But after install on my OpenSuSE 11.2 x86-64, I got this message: ca...@carlobook:~ /opt/libreoffice3/program/soffice /opt/libreoffice3/program/soffice.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libuno_sal.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory After googling I understood that this was probably due to the URE package: libreoffice-ure-1.7.0-1.x86_64.rpm which most install in /opt/libreoffice/libreoffice/ure but all other packages instead install themselves in /opt/libreoffice3 so I tried fixing the bug with two test: 1. fails: carlobook:/opt/libreoffice3 # ln -s /opt/libreoffice/libreoffice/ libreoffice 2. successes: carlobook:/opt/libreoffice3 # ln -s /opt/libreoffice/libreoffice/ure ure Great catch. Hmm, where did you get the libreoffice-ure-1.7.0-1.x86_64.rpm? Mine has the stuff under /opt/libreoffice3 I have just double checked the official beta2 build from http://www.documentfoundation.org/download/. It was http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/3.3.0-beta2/rpm/x86/LibO_3.3.0_beta2_Linux_x86_install-rpm_en-US.tar.gz --- cut --- en-US/RPMS rpm -qlp libreoffice-ure-1.7.0-1.i586.rpm /opt/libreoffice3 /opt/libreoffice3/ure /opt/libreoffice3/ure/bin /opt/libreoffice3/ure/bin/javaldx /opt/libreoffice3/ure/bin/regcomp --- cut --- I'm 64 bit!!! From here: http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/3.3.0-beta2/rpm/x86_64/ I download and install: LibO-SDK_3.3_beta2_Linux_x86-64_install-rpm_en-US.tar.gz 10-Oct-2010 14:26 8.3M LibO-URE_1.7_beta2_Linux_x86-64_install-rpm_en-US.tar.gz 10-Oct-2010 14:27 3.8M LibO_3.3.0_beta2_Linux_x86-64_install-rpm_en-US.tar.gz 10-Oct-2010 05:29 181M LibO_3.3.0_beta2_Linux_x86-64_langpack-rpm_it.tar.gz 10-Oct-2010 08:40 13M untarring the second file, you'll get the RPMs from which the right one yields: carlobook:/home/condivisioni/Download/OpenOffice/LibreOffice/ure/en-US/RPMS # rpm -qlp libreoffice-ure-1.7.0-1.x86_64.rpm /opt/libreoffice/libreoffice /opt/libreoffice/libreoffice/ure /opt/libreoffice/libreoffice/ure/LICENSE /opt/libreoffice/libreoffice/ure/README /opt/libreoffice/libreoffice/ure/THIRDPARTYLICENSEREADME.html /opt/libreoffice/libreoffice/ure/bin /opt/libreoffice/libreoffice/ure/bin/javaldx /opt/libreoffice/libreoffice/ure/bin/regcomp /opt/libreoffice/libreoffice/ure/bin/regcomp.bin /opt/libreoffice/libreoffice/ure/bin/regmerge /opt/libreoffice/libreoffice/ure/bin/regview /opt/libreoffice/libreoffice/ure/bin/startup.sh [...] But in the URE package inside the main tar.gz (LibO_3.3.0_beta2_Linux_x86-64_install-rpm_en-US.tar.gz) the URE package is ok! Look here: carlobook:/home/condivisioni/Download/OpenOffice/LibreOffice/main # rpm -qlp en-US/RPMS/libreoffice-ure-1.7.0-1.x86_64.rpm /opt/libreoffice3 /opt/libreoffice3/ure /opt/libreoffice3/ure/bin /opt/libreoffice3/ure/bin/javaldx /opt/libreoffice3/ure/bin/regcomp /opt/libreoffice3/ure/bin/regcomp.bin /opt/libreoffice3/ure/bin/regmerge /opt/libreoffice3/ure/bin/regview /opt/libreoffice3/ure/bin/startup.sh /opt/libreoffice3/ure/bin/uno /opt/libreoffice3/ure/bin/uno.bin /opt/libreoffice3/ure/bin/versionrc /opt/libreoffice3/ure/lib /opt/libreoffice3/ure/lib/JREProperties.class [...] So I ask myself what does need the file LibO-URE_1.7_beta2_Linux_x86-64_install-rpm_en-US.tar.gz in the directory http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/3.3.0-beta2/rpm/x86_64/ ? ;-) Delete it! It's wrong and overwrite the right one (if you untar it next the main one)! ;-) Thank you, Carlo BTW: The package libreoffice-ure-1.7.0 will conflict with the upcoming openSUSE-specific package libreoffice-ure-3.2.99.2. We will solve it in 3.3-beta3 release, see http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2010-October/000973.html It means that you will not be able to install the universal libreoffice-3.3-beta2 build and the opensuse libreoffice-*-3.2.99.2 packages at the same time. It should be possible with beta3. I am sorry for the inconvenience. Well, you could install both packages even with beta2 if you use rpm -i instead of rpm -U. Though, it might get broken if you do rpm -U later. Note that YaST/zypper uses rpm -U by default. Best Regards, Petr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are
Re: LibO Install/Update ( was [tdf-discuss] Automatic Updates)
On 10/08/2010 10:50 PM, Marc Paré wrote: You are probably right there too. It wouldn't hurt though to try it and see what kind of response the LibO community got from such a service. Maybe from a dependencies point of view it would be too hard to manage still. IMHO, it would be nice if the LibO packages came out prepped for immediate installation/update for distros. I think there would be a huge response from the community to having LibO packages prepped for their distro and available at libreoffice.org. The problem with letting the distro packagers do it is that they do a big push up to prepare for their distro release, but they don't typically push out an OOo update when it becomes available -- they often wait for the next release of their distro. By prepping packages ourselves, I think we'll find that we get a lot more immediate downloads from the user community, and quicker feedback on bugs. Jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
[tdf-discuss] Events
Hi, Find out where to meet The Document Foundation and members of the Community: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 Fax: +49 8341 99660889 Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] German mailing lists have been launched
Hi Florian, @all, Am Thu, 14 Oct 2010 19:44:04 +0200 schrieb Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org: Hello, as a first test for providing infrastructure to local groups, the German mailing lists have been launched: great news, thanks! I have one question though: Are you planning on having a germanspeaking dev-list as well (like we have right now at OOo) or should the discuss-list be used for planning project specific tasks? Sigrid -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Oracle to put effort to OOo
On 2010-10-14 12:49 PM, Marc Paré wrote: Their hold on the community and the namebrand is no longer an issue. I think we are passed that now. Will there be an ongoing effort to keep LibO 'in sync' with all of the changes Oracle will be making from this point forward? It's a shame really, I hate seeing wasted/duplicated efforts... -- Best regards, Charles -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Oracle to put effort to OOo
Le 2010-10-14 14:25, Charles Marcus a écrit : On 2010-10-14 12:49 PM, Marc Paré wrote: Their hold on the community and the namebrand is no longer an issue. I think we are passed that now. Will there be an ongoing effort to keep LibO 'in sync' with all of the changes Oracle will be making from this point forward? It's a shame really, I hate seeing wasted/duplicated efforts... I would hope to think that they will now be syncing with us. We most likely have the momentum now. Marc -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Beta 2 available for testing
Le 2010-10-14 14:26, Charles Marcus a écrit : On 2010-10-14 10:19 AM, Andre Schnabel wrote: Von: Charles Marcuscmar...@media-brokers.com Good point... but that bandwidth usage is limited to the initial uploads (one time per release), and the mirror updates. I think the savings of 100+MB per download from hundreds of thousands of downloads would trump that pretty quick... ? No, because our problem is not bandwith but total space at the mirrors. We have enough mirrors, so that we can easily share bandwith (and mirrorbrain ensures that downloads are spread across mirrors). But mirrors do not offer unlimited disk space. The more disk space we use, the less mirrors would be willing to host our binaries. (But things may change) Ah, I see now... thanks... Out of curiosity, do you have mirrors set up for Canada? Marc Paré Canada -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Oracle to put effort to OOo
On 14/10/10 17:49, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-10-14 06:32, Nikola Yanev a écrit : Oracle announced that it is going to put a lot of effort in OO.org now. Suppose this will happen: How do you plan to make use of Oracles improvements without being forced to obeying to Oracles will and roadmap? I mean if LO introduces many innovations and improvements, keeping in sync with the OO.org codebase and being able to merge Oracles improvements without a huge porting effort will be a hard job. http://www.facebook.com/libreoffice.org/posts/166628840020524 http://www.facebook.com/libreoffice.org/posts/166628840020524%20 I think the answer gonna be interesting :) I think at this point, it is pretty obvious that Oracle has not shown any intention of taking part in this project and we should not expect it to be part of this any more. Our initial expectations were optimistic, but we should no longer expect them but feel pleasantly surprised if they decide in the future to join us. Just as pleasantly surprised if the decide in the future to release the trademarked OpenOffice.org name. They will be another organization just like any other helping out with LibreOffice. Their hold on the community and the namebrand is no longer an issue. I think we are passed that now. Marc Certainly with the momentum that has recently developed in connection with LibO it would seem a real shame to now drop the ball and rely on Oracle to drive the process using OOo. There does seem to be an inherent value in continuing the LibO fork, pushing it out as a community project as far as possible and if Oracle want to adopt aspects of LibO, then fine. This would be far better than getting into any potential tussle with Oracle in the future should LibO want to utilise some of the now-owned OOo code base for LibO development. What I mean is, LibO makes good sense to continue supporting and developing regardless of what Oracle decide to do with OOo, because who knows what might happen in the future. Oracle might try to revoke OOo's open source and GPL properties or may even be bought out in the future by another company that seeks to privatise OOo ... now that LibO has broken ground, it seems a wise move for the long game to continue to support and develop it irrespective of whatever it is that Oracle (or whomever) does with OOo. With continued development, one might hope that LibO keeps all of the good stuff that made OOo a great alternative to MS Office, et al, and to overcome all of the bugs and issues associated with OOo. Let's face it - the open source world really does need a killer office suite, and LibO is the closest we have to providing one. In short - I propose that we continue to support the nascent developments of LibO so that it can be grown into a fully-fledged, mature, sophisticated, stable and user-friendly OSS office suite. My $0.02 worth. AG -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Events
Le 2010-10-14 14:05, Florian Effenberger a écrit : Hi, Find out where to meet The Document Foundation and members of the Community: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events Florian Thanks for posting this Florian, I will copy this and post it in the marketing discussion list. Marc -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Events
Le 2010-10-14 17:09, Marc Paré a écrit : Le 2010-10-14 14:05, Florian Effenberger a écrit : Hi, Find out where to meet The Document Foundation and members of the Community: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events Florian Thanks for posting this Florian, I will copy this and post it in the marketing discussion list. Marc Would it be permissible to add events to the Events calendar with other events where there should be LibO representation? These events would not necessarily have a designated representatives at the point of posting on the calendar. We could then make arrangements to fill in the names of people who could be available to attend these events (maybe with some resources). We could use the Wiki/Events calendar as the master world-calendar of events. Community members would then be able to view the calendar and organise representation at these events. Marc -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Events
On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 20:15 +0200, André Schnabel wrote: HI, Am 14.10.2010 20:05, schrieb Florian Effenberger: Hi, Find out where to meet The Document Foundation and members of the Community: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events Just looked at the page - it looks very German Everyone is invited to change this :) André I added linux.conf.au, Brisbane, Australia, January 2011. :-) --Jean -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] Steering Committee Info at the wiki
Hi Friedrich, On Oct 13, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: Hi Benjamin, *, Benjamin Horst schrieb: This is exactly why I suggested we look at multiple wiki engines before installing one and proceeding. ACL features of Foswiki make it easy to specify a separate set of pages or an individual page, and control who has edit access, view access, or no visibility of the page at all. Details: http://foswiki.org/System/AccessControl As far as I know there is some mechanism wikis can talk and exchange content. Do You know of that feature? They can generally import pages from other wiki engines, and convert to their own syntax. I think that's what you are referring to? If so, here is one example tool: http://foswiki.org/Extensions/MediaWikiToFoswikiContrib I think changing the wiki machine later on if this comes up to be useful will not be that big deal. For the moment I think mediawiki is a good joice because - people are used to work with - its already set up and in use - there already technical knowledge is present to drive it waiting a long time with hands prepared to work also can be frustrating. All of these are good points. The case for MediaWiki is solid--I just feel that we might be able to do even better. :) In fact, based on a comment by Bernhard in another thread, I'm now thinking about the merits of combining the main website with the wiki into one system managed by a CMS. This would be more friendly to end users--and could be managed by a sophisticated system like Drupal. I'm imagining the potential of its ad hoc group creation tools for managing regional LibreOffice projects, marketing, events, etc, along the lines of this site: http://groups.drupal.org/ (I'm sorry to have hijacked this thread--will continue on the website mailing list for those who'd like to follow along.) -Ben Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com 646-464-2314 (Eastern) www.solidoffice.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Oracle to put effort to OOo
On 2010-10-14 4:47 PM, AG wrote: In short - I propose that we continue to support the nascent developments of LibO so that it can be grown into a fully-fledged, mature, sophisticated, stable and user-friendly OSS office suite. Did someone propose otherwise?? -- Best regards, Charles -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
[tdf-discuss] UI proposal
Hi everyone, Since it seems like LibreOffice won't adopt the UI Oracle's preparing for OOo, I'm starting a massive LibreOffice UI proposal series. Here's the intro: http://clickortap.wordpress.com/2010/10/14/citrus-ui/ -- Q: Why is this email five sentences or less? A: http://five.sentenc.es -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
