Re: [steering-discuss] Preparing elections for the membership committee
Florian Effenberger wrote: With the caveat that Thorsten must resign as MC-deputy, since one cannot be BoD and MC member at once. good point, indeed. Thorsten, in case you get voted as election officer, would you step back from your MC deputy role? Hi Florian, all, yes indeed, as a board member, I resign as Fridrich's MC deputy. Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] freezing membership applications
Hi all, Not really - it's 3 weeks from candidate introduction to end of election, compared to 2 weeks for the usual MC meeting cadence. I agree that there are no strong, hard arguments for or against either procedure, I just have the impression it appears much cleaner to suspend MC work during election. I agree with Thorsten. Waiting 3 weeks, in the worst case, for your membership to be approved because there are elections, is not that much. Many other organizations take longer under normal circumstances. And then you get one year membership as everybody else so, in fact, if you don't collaborate anymore, you win 3 weeks for free ;) I don't consider the membership freezing a big deal. -- Jesús Corrius je...@softcatala.org Document Foundation founding member Mobile: +34 661 11 38 26 Skype: jcorrius | Twitter: @jcorrius -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] appointing Thorsten as election officer for MC
On Sun, 2011-10-30 at 16:27 +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote: As Thorsten is elected BoD member, he is not running for an MC seat, and thus should have no conflict of interest in acting as election officer. +1. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Preparing elections for the membership committee
On Sun, 2011-10-30 at 13:28 -0200, David Emmerich Jourdain wrote: - In a nutshell, this means: We either can decide to nominate the current MC as the first MC and have a gentlemen's agreement that they step back as soon as the foundation is in place, leading to new elections about 45 days later on. IMHO, I don't see why can we not adopt this option. The current MC proved that was (and is) impartial and deeply focused on meritocracy, essential factors for an MC. For me, the current MC proved that's fully deserving of this gentlemen's agreement. Agreed. I too prefer this for two reasons: a) it -may- allow us to setup the foundation more quickly, at least we are not blocking on a fairly artificial timeline b) it adds a staggered election into the process from founding, such that we are not electing the MC and the Board at the same time - which IMHO is critical anyway So - I too would prefer to stick with the MC we have, and elect it shortly after founding. Then again - I'm agnostic on the point; if the founding is further delayed, perhaps having an elected initial MC in place is fine. ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Preparing elections for the membership committee
Hello, Michael Meeks wrote on 2011-10-31 11:41: a) it -may- allow us to setup the foundation more quickly, at least we are not blocking on a fairly artificial timeline I think if so, it just would delay two weeks, IMHO noncritical after this amount of time. b) it adds a staggered election into the process from founding, such that we are not electing the MC and the Board at the same time - which IMHO is critical anyway That's indeed a very good thing. So - I too would prefer to stick with the MC we have, and elect it shortly after founding. So, we have two choices: 1. Either vote now and have a newly voted-on MC for the legal setup. 2. Keep the existing MC and they do a gentleman's agreement to step back by let's say June or July 1st next year. Legally, it's no problem, since the Founder (FrODeV) simply nominates those who should be in charge, for elections thereafter, however, the official voting rules in the statutes are enforced. However, for #2, we need either a replacement for Thorsten and a decision by the BoD to go with less MC members (even with Thorsten's replacement, the current MC only has 3 members and two deputies, but we would need five plus two), or a more MC members. André, can you talk to the MC tonight and see what they prefer and make a proposal? If the BoD then votes on it, we should be good to go. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Board of Directors at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[steering-discuss] minutes of conf-call 2011-10-29 ...
Hi guys, Sorry for the delay, weekend got in the way, no doubt this is not the canonical location for these, but ... hopefully someone can fix that for me. Action items are prefixed with 'AA'. Thanks, Michael. Present: Andre, Andreas, Bjoern, Thorsten, Florian, Olivier, Michael, Jesus Foundation Status Update: + ~4 hour call with lawyers yesterday + ~in final state + translation to English for final comments: + in progress; lots of text; due by Monday + then send back to the Authorities + then final approval from the Board + send in for formal approval / official filing + query: wait for MC election, or file sooner and update ? + nuanced, lets see how soon we can file first + MC elections start Nov 4th, perhaps delay them ? + decision next time ? Board Election: + missing an E-mail from Simon, but results un-challenged final MC election: + Thorsten volunteered as elections officer for MC election + need a composition for membership committee: + must be between 3 and 13. + Andre recommends 5 members + 2 deputies AA: + send out a formal voting proposal to approve (Florian) Mail addresses: + BoD members should have official tdf mail aliases + important for external facing mail + with shared signature with legal information ? + only for acting representatively + use it only when legally required / as relaxed as possible Internal lists: + BoD to review composition based on elections realities Web site needs updating: + Steering committee page Donations infrastructure + replacing the challenges page AA: + send Drew's draft to Michael (Florian) + check the draft update the web page, kill the challenge page, and post for localisation (Michael) Budget + existing for filing: based on capital stock interest + need an updated budget, for SPI, donations, expenses, travel budget etc. AA: + get the numbers from the conference (Charles) AA: + get details from FroDev (Florian) AA: + get details from SPI (Sophie) + consolidate into a budget for board discussion Trademark Policy conformance + need mechanism for granting licenses to friendly uses that don't quite conform with the TM policy + query wrt. approval of individual licenses, contradicting previous decision not to have to manage exceptions + some sights there from the beginning, un-checked so far yet clearly affiliated Merchandising + status no progress (Thorsten) + need it going, attempt to off-load to website list not a success + makes sense to have a Europe US ( other) AA: + proposal to vote on for next week (Thorsten) Advisory Board + call scheduled for next week + first call; conflicts with next BoD call Call scheduling + should we keep this regular call time ? AA: + create new poll for Board calls (Florian) + weekly calls seem to make sense. Hosting user forums (or not) + decision required ASAP + discuss list discussion ongoing / not pre-empt it + Board decision expected by Wednesday pending volunteer / moderator interest -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] minutes of conf-call 2011-10-29 ...
Hi, Michael Meeks wrote on 2011-10-31 12:51: Sorry for the delay, weekend got in the way, no doubt this is not the canonical location for these, but ... hopefully someone can fix that for me. Action items are prefixed with 'AA'. thanks! Added this to http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Minutes_2011-10-29 Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Board of Directors at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] chairmen
Hi, Andre Schnabel wrote on 2011-10-31 16:52: I'm fine with the model - jus wanted to say, that there still bneeds to be avote. ok, that's true - but that's what I meant with nominate. :-) IMHO, the statutes foresee no detailed voting rules like for the BoD or MC elections. Seems I will not finish the translation today :(. When I did my estimation I had worked on the rather simple paragraphs, the rest seems to take some more time. If I cannot give a good estimation by tomorrow, I'll call for help and see, how the translation could be split among two or three people. Ok, thanks a lot! Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Board of Directors at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: side-note Re: [steering-discuss] chairmen
Hi Tom, Tom Davies wrote on 2011-10-30 20:07: Florian. It is good to have these issues dealt with. There is no need to apologise for 'spam' as it is all relevant and important stuff. If these issue weren't raised today they would have to be raised another day and they are the type of thing that is good to deal with and get out of the way quickly. indeed, that's what I was thinking. The earlier we raise the issues, the sooner people are aware of them and the sooner we can start working on these. ;-) I think the Steering Committee and the MC have been fantastic and done a remarkable job. Avoiding a complete re-shuffle all at the same time makes sense so that there is some continuity. The current BoD seems a good selection and that promises well for the future of TDF and LO. It would be good to add some diversity added to the management structure of TDF without losing anyone. Thanks, Tom, your kind words are really appreciated! I think the current selection is good, because we have new as well as old people in there, that's good. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Board of Directors at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?
Hi, Am 30.10.2011 23:14, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton: NOTE: There is no German Language Forum at OpenOffice.org. You are talking about the forums formerly hosted by Sun/Oracle, right? There have always been pure community-driven forums at http://openoffice.info/ This site points to Englisch, German, Bosnian, Czech, Dansk, Polish and Portuguese forums. The english forum there is even more populated than the forum, you have been looking at: A total of 369768 articles. 235837 registered users. (At least that´s what the display below the forum is showing.) The german forum has 168152 articles in 36091 topics and 16462 registered members. The german forum explicitely claims to be a place for OpenOffice.org as well as LibreOffice. Maybe some TDF official could talk to the admins and motivate them to integrate LibreOffice branding. TDF/LibO could directly link from their Website to this forum. This would be a good chance not to split the already established support. Regards, Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Just a question
But first a statement !Godammit !It is awfully difficult to get in touch with the LibreOffice Foundation !Remember:Kiss !This is not a claim. Just wishng to understand. And speaking in a language which is not my mother language.Can you understand this ?I was just saying - but this ismy fifth try using different email addreses- that :I cannot understand how comes Sophie Gautier has no mandate whatsoever.To my knowledge, she has always been from the very beginning a very active member first of the OpenOffice community and, from its very beginning, from the LibreOfficeFoundation.Remember: I'am not questioning the votes, just asking a question.Sincerely yours,Jean-Paul Ghys -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] freezing membership applications
Hi, Norbert Thiebaud wrote on 2011-10-30 17:31: I do not see the conflict. Either way these MC members running for re-election can approve new member before the freeze-date Either way these MC members cannot benefit from approving membership after the freeze (they cannot stuff the ballot since anyone approved post freeze would not be eligible for that election) that is true, indeed... however, there still might be assumptions like member XYZ was approved/disapproved to get a better voting result. I agree, it's only in a very complicated theory. ;-) Otherwise, it's mostly a logistic issue. If we can ensure that those becming members after the freeze date cannot vote, I am fine with leaving the application open, even if I consider closing it down cleaner. But then, Michael has a point, that it's the second shutdown already. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Board of Directors at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] freezing membership applications
Hi, Original-Nachricht Datum: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 10:35:20 + Von: Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com On Mon, 2011-10-31 at 10:34 +0100, Thorsten Behrens wrote: Not really - it's 3 weeks from candidate introduction to end of election, compared to 2 weeks for the usual MC meeting cadence. Except we just had another election that also froze the membership ;-) did we re-open that in between approve any more members ? if so, perhaps there are fewer problems ... MC is going to have a meeting this evening (frindly reminder to all MC members ;) ) where we process outstanding applications (and it will be the first time to process renewals btw.) ... - but I for one don't like this shut for business attitude. The timestamps mean there is no problem wrt. working out who the electorate are - surely ... as written in my mail for the proposed schedule: In any case the MC should have a spezial meeting to process applications one or two days before the date when the process is frozen (or snapshot is taken). So - we would very likely skip just one MC meeting, meaning a delay of additional two weeks. What is not a big problem (imho), but (again imho) it's not a big problem to continue MC's operation, as there is no distrust in the current MC. After all - what is more important is a decision *if* we actually will have elections before the foundations inauguration or if we schedule this for next year, starting with an appointed MC. Given that the propsed schedule starts on Nov. 4th, this is quite urgent. I'll suggest, we (MC) use the today's MC meeting to come up with a proposal for Thorsten's sucessor and two deputies. We then send our proposal to the board list and the board can decide how to proceed. Best, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Just a question
Hi, Jean-Paul Ghys wrote on 2011-10-30 00:41: But first a statement !Godammit !It is awfully difficult to get in touch with the LibreOffice Foundation !Remember:Kiss !This is not a claim. Just wishng to understand. And speaking in it is not. ;-) There is a contact section on the website, and all our mailing lists are listed in public. a language which is not my mother language.Can you understand this ?I was just saying - but this ismy fifth try using different email addreses- that :I cannot understand how comes Sophie Gautier has no mandate whatsoever.To my knowledge, she has always been from the very beginning a very active member first of the OpenOffice community and, from its very beginning, from the LibreOfficeFoundation.Remember: I'am not questioning the votes, just asking a question.Sincerely yours,Jean-Paul Ghys Sophie is very active, and she contributed a lot to the being of the foundation and to where we stand today. She's included in all major decisions. ;-) The fact that she has no BoD role is simple - she didn't run for elections. Maybe she will run for elections of the MC, but I don't know. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Board of Directors at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?
Marc-André Laverdière wrote: I think that most people on the mailing list know about stack exchange, and how rockin' it is. I think it would bee a) cool and b) a boon to our mutual users to just migrate our forums to stack exchange. Seems someone else already had that idea: http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/24564/libreoffice I think independently of the merits for a dedicated LibreOffice forum, the above attempt is worth supporting. Note that StackExchange has some prerequisites each proposal needs to fulfil, before graduating out of this area51 playground: http://area51.stackexchange.com/faq Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?
Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Well, it turns out many people seem to want to use forums, and most of them are not technical, they are end users so I don't expect they have the same needs as developers. I just assume there's no fundamental truth in either mailing list or forums usage... No idea. And bear in mind that I'm sufficiently clueless about forum usage patterns that the following comments should be taken with a larger dose of salt - what *I* think is that Joe Random User typically wields his search engine of choice, and clicks on whatever appears promising on the first result page - and *then* maybe gets sucked into whatever forum/list/stackexchange platform is behind that link. Or is there an existing community of LibreOffice user support folks over at the forums, that we'd want to accomodate (or OOo supporters, that would want to also help out on a new forum)? Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?
On 31 Oct 2011, at 11:33, Thorsten Behrens wrote: what *I* think is that Joe Random User typically wields his search engine of choice, and clicks on whatever appears promising on the first result page - and *then* maybe gets sucked into whatever forum/list/stackexchange platform is behind that link. I think that's exactly right. Go type LibreOffice Support into Google now and you'll find libreofficeforum.org is both the top hit and the only likely-looking destination in the top 10. S. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?
On 10/31/2011 07:26 AM, Thorsten Behrens wrote: Marc-André Laverdière wrote: I think that most people on the mailing list know about stack exchange, and how rockin' it is. I think it would bee a) cool and b) a boon to our mutual users to just migrate our forums to stack exchange. Seems someone else already had that idea: http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/24564/libreoffice Hi Marc-André, all, A while ago I proposed using Shapado, which I set up some time after the LibreOffice project started: http://libreoffice.shapado.com/ To me it's a forums-on-steroids tool. It has the advantage of using free, open-source software and most importantly, supporting multiple languages within the same engine. No need to vote to use it, in fact you can create any other subject QA using Shapado in a matter of minutes. I saw OpenID mentioned in this discussion, it is supported in Shapado (in addition to Google, Facebook and Twitter for maximum exposure). There have been major changes in the last few months to its backend. I haven't been able to promote it or enhance it as I would have liked as I've been away from the project for a few months now, but if anyone visited it at the time and goes back now, the changes are obvious. It's also quite high in search results when looking for LibreOffice help. If I remember well, I had also connected its RSS feeds to corresponding hashtags in Identi.ca and Twitter. Because anyone can run their own instance of Shapado on their servers, this could be eventually integrated as an official resource. Anyways, just another option to consider. Cheers, -- Fabián Rodríguez http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:MagicFab -- -- Fabián Rodríguez -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Ctrl-Shift-N and My templates as default
Hi all! Could anybody help me to solve my trouble... I use LO-3.3.4 since jan 2011 and (it's very! important for me) it opens My templates folder, if I use Ctrl-Shift-N binding or File-New-Templates menu. http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n3468133/t1.png But in LO-3.4.3 I get templates top folder always :( http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n3468133/t2.png I've tried several 3.4 versions (340, 341, 343), but results are the same :( :( How can I change the default template folder? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Ctrl-Shift-N-and-My-templates-as-default-tp3468133p3468133.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Just a question
Hi Jean-Paul, all, On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hi, Jean-Paul Ghys wrote on 2011-10-30 00:41: But first a statement !Godammit !It is awfully difficult to get in touch with the LibreOffice Foundation !Remember:Kiss !This is not a claim. Just wishng to understand. And speaking in it is not. ;-) There is a contact section on the website, and all our mailing lists are listed in public. It works also with localized sites like fr.libreoffice.org where you'll find contacts in French speaking language. a language which is not my mother language.Can you understand this ?I was just saying - but this ismy fifth try using different email addreses- that :I cannot understand how comes Sophie Gautier has no mandate whatsoever.To my knowledge, she has always been from the very beginning a very active member first of the OpenOffice community and, from its very beginning, from the LibreOfficeFoundation.Remember: I'am not questioning the votes, just asking a question.Sincerely yours,Jean-Paul Ghys Thank you very much for your support, it is much appreciated :-) Sophie is very active, and she contributed a lot to the being of the foundation and to where we stand today. She's included in all major decisions. ;-) The fact that she has no BoD role is simple - she didn't run for elections. Yes, Maybe she will run for elections of the MC, but I don't know. and yes, I'll run for the MC elections this is why I didn't run for a BoD role. Membership Committee is a very important place for the project in my eyes. I know I should have blog about this, sorry I didn't take the time to do it, but I'm still here and you'll still hear my [strong] voice ;-) Kind regards Sophie -- Founding member of The Document Foundation -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Just a question
On 10/29/11 4:41 PM, Jean-Paul Ghys wrote: But first a statement !Godammit !It is awfully difficult to get in touch with the LibreOffice Foundation !Remember:Kiss !This is not a claim. Just wishng to understand. And speaking in a language which is not my mother language.Can you understand this ?I was just saying - but this ismy fifth try using different email addreses- that :I cannot understand how comes Sophie Gautier has no mandate whatsoever.To my knowledge, she has always been from the very beginning a very active member first of the OpenOffice community and, from its very beginning, from the LibreOfficeFoundation.Remember: I'am not questioning the votes, just asking a question.Sincerely yours,Jean-Paul Ghys Hi, Florian, With all due respect, I have to agree with Jean-Paul. I won't go into details here, I suspect such a discussion probably should be on the website list and/or done privately in a design discussion. I will say this... If I had contracted the programmers of LO's website for an easy to use website, the only way I would pay anything for what *I* see on the site, is if the payment was court ordered. I wish I felt differently about the site. :-( -- Ken Mac OS X 10.6.8 Firefox 7.0.1 Thunderbird 7.0.1 LibreOffice 3.3.4 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Ctrl-Shift-N and My templates as default
El 31/10/11 16:47, sabitov escribi:Hi all! Could anybody help me to solve my trouble... I use LO-3.3.4 since jan 2011 and (it's very! important for me) it opens My templates folder, if I use Ctrl-Shift-N binding or File-New-Templates menu.http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n3468133/t1.pngBut in LO-3.4.3 I get templates top folder always :(http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n3468133/t2.pngI've tried several 3.4 versions (340, 341, 343), but results are the same :( :( How can I change the default template folder? -- View this message in context:http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Ctrl-Shift-N-and-My-templates-as-default-tp3468133p3468133.htmlSent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com.Menu/Tools/Options/LibreOffice/Paths.Miguelngel -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: APRESENTAÇÃO
Viva Agostinhos Dúvidas em Português sobre a utilização de programas é nesta outra mailing list http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/User-f2317346.html Cumprimentos, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/APRESENTACAO-tp3468167p3468747.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?
On 10/31/2011 03:49 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, [...] What I took from this thread is, that there are two options: One de.openoffice.org, and the other one the LibreOffice forum. Anyone already got in touch with those folks? IIRC, there had been discussions, with some groups, and that didn't work out - but I must confess I don't know which ones. Honestly, my preference would be to have our own forum and see if it works. If not, we tried it, and we don't lose that much. What I see is a desire to proclaim ownership over such resources - when in fact what would be desirable would be to integrate existing active, useful resources to the current TDF governance structure and encourage new initiatives. My only contact at the time was with the LibreOffice forum admin, here is the message I sent back in January introducing him as a contact to maintain (this email went unanswered) - it should still be possible to contact him directly via the site contact forms: Original Message Subject:Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized? Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:03:48 -0500 From: Fabián Rodríguez magic...@member.fsf.org Organization: Unorganized. Really. But if you must know - http://fabianrodriguez.com To: discuss@documentfoundation.org [...] I just registered to http://libreofficeforum.org and I am fairly certain it uses Drupal. I took the liberty to contact its creator and he's already indicated he's willing to collaborate: I would be glad to see LibreOfficeForum.org as the official forum. I personally am not a developer, and I don't have any official role in LibreOffice. For years I have been a heavy user of OpenOffice, spending many hours on it every day. And now I'm sure that the way forward is LibreOffice. I'm not an expert yet, just a heavy user. ;-) I created the site immediately after LibreOffice was announced, because I saw that they had no web forums, and I personally don't like mailing lists. And I know that there are several unofficial forums as well for OpenOffice (like oooforum.org), so I'm sure that this site could also occupy that role if the Document Foundation doesn't approve it officially. It appears likely that LibreOffice will continue to diverge more and more from the code base of OpenOffice, and it would be confusing to see bugs and support requests for two different products in the same forum. So for that reason I would personally recommend that the Document Foundation not continue to use the same user.services.openoffice.org forum for LibreOffice. - Sam I supposed someone from TDF / steering committee could maintain this contact more formally than me, I hope I am not overstepping anyone when doing this. Cheers, Fabian -- -- Fabián Rodríguez -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?
One touch up. There is no de.openoffice.org forum. However, there is this nice page of sources provided there: http://de.openoffice.org/foren.html. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Fabian Rodriguez [mailto:magic...@member.fsf.org] Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 13:06 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ? On 10/31/2011 03:49 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, [...] What I took from this thread is, that there are two options: One de.openoffice.org, and the other one the LibreOffice forum. Anyone already got in touch with those folks? IIRC, there had been discussions, with some groups, and that didn't work out - but I must confess I don't know which ones. Honestly, my preference would be to have our own forum and see if it works. If not, we tried it, and we don't lose that much. What I see is a desire to proclaim ownership over such resources - when in fact what would be desirable would be to integrate existing active, useful resources to the current TDF governance structure and encourage new initiatives. My only contact at the time was with the LibreOffice forum admin, here is the message I sent back in January introducing him as a contact to maintain (this email went unanswered) - it should still be possible to contact him directly via the site contact forms: Original Message Subject:Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized? Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:03:48 -0500 From: Fabián Rodríguez magic...@member.fsf.org Organization: Unorganized. Really. But if you must know - http://fabianrodriguez.com To: discuss@documentfoundation.org [...] I just registered to http://libreofficeforum.org and I am fairly certain it uses Drupal. I took the liberty to contact its creator and he's already indicated he's willing to collaborate: I would be glad to see LibreOfficeForum.org as the official forum. I personally am not a developer, and I don't have any official role in LibreOffice. For years I have been a heavy user of OpenOffice, spending many hours on it every day. And now I'm sure that the way forward is LibreOffice. I'm not an expert yet, just a heavy user. ;-) I created the site immediately after LibreOffice was announced, because I saw that they had no web forums, and I personally don't like mailing lists. And I know that there are several unofficial forums as well for OpenOffice (like oooforum.org), so I'm sure that this site could also occupy that role if the Document Foundation doesn't approve it officially. It appears likely that LibreOffice will continue to diverge more and more from the code base of OpenOffice, and it would be confusing to see bugs and support requests for two different products in the same forum. So for that reason I would personally recommend that the Document Foundation not continue to use the same user.services.openoffice.org forum for LibreOffice. - Sam I supposed someone from TDF / steering committee could maintain this contact more formally than me, I hope I am not overstepping anyone when doing this. Cheers, Fabian -- -- Fabián Rodríguez -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?
I am not too inclined towards our own whatever for user support because a) that's not cool to split the community b) we'll get flak on LWN et al and c) we loose gazillion pages of answered problems that may be useful for the next guy. Marc-André LAVERDIÈRE Perseverance must finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything. -James 1:4 http://asimplediscipleslife.blogspot.com/ mlaverd.theunixplace.com On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello, thanks everyone for your feedback and your kind offers to help, that's really much appreciated! As for which type to use, I must say that a normal forum is the only way, IMHO. We've been experimenting with Nabble, and the result has been rather mixed. People prefer a forum they know, nothing else. At least based on my experience. There are several forums running. What I would like to have is one official LibO forum, either done by us or someone else, that is open for all languages, and run by a group that does not have members who openly show hostility towards TDF. I am not saying that everyone does so, but at least I have heard from some forums, where definitely FUD was spread, and this leaves me with bad feelings. What I took from this thread is, that there are two options: One de.openoffice.org, and the other one the LibreOffice forum. Anyone already got in touch with those folks? IIRC, there had been discussions, with some groups, and that didn't work out - but I must confess I don't know which ones. Honestly, my preference would be to have our own forum and see if it works. If not, we tried it, and we don't lose that much. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org** Board of Directors at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+help@**documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**documentfoundation.org/www/**discuss/http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?
Le 2011-10-31 15:49, Florian Effenberger a écrit : Hello, thanks everyone for your feedback and your kind offers to help, that's really much appreciated! As for which type to use, I must say that a normal forum is the only way, IMHO. We've been experimenting with Nabble, and the result has been rather mixed. People prefer a forum they know, nothing else. At least based on my experience. There are several forums running. What I would like to have is one official LibO forum, either done by us or someone else, that is open for all languages, and run by a group that does not have members who openly show hostility towards TDF. I am not saying that everyone does so, but at least I have heard from some forums, where definitely FUD was spread, and this leaves me with bad feelings. What I took from this thread is, that there are two options: One de.openoffice.org, and the other one the LibreOffice forum. Anyone already got in touch with those folks? IIRC, there had been discussions, with some groups, and that didn't work out - but I must confess I don't know which ones. Honestly, my preference would be to have our own forum and see if it works. If not, we tried it, and we don't lose that much. Florian I really don't think this is a case where anyone can win with any of these decisions. If de.openoffice.org is awarded the care of the LibreOffice maintenance of the forums, there will be those who will complain about it as not being a real native LibreOffice forums. If the TDF raises its own forums, then there will those who will complain that communities have been broken and all of the past discussions have been lost. The LibreOffice fork of OpenOffice has created a shift in community use/support and that is just the reality of the situation. The code base differences between LibreOffice and AOO will only get wider over time and LibreOffice may find itself at this same situation later on. Therefore, as there would be no clear way to win, it would seem to make the most sense for the TDF/LibreOffice to create its own forums infrastructure, offer and invite participation of already established interested forums related to LibreOffice. The TDF/LibreOffice forums could also offer to help facilitate the migration of any historical data to its own servers of any group wishing to join the new LibreOffice forums project. It is still early in the game for LibreOffice and it is the right time to move on to its own forums services. This will in effect offer our users a complete office suite service under the same banner that is TDF/LibreOffice. Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
