Re: [tdf-discuss] Donations system: pay for a feature
Hi Everyone, in any case (!) none has answered to my initial question and moreover has to be avoided changing the thread object and throw away one person's suggest or a simply discuss. So that now I have to renew my question with another all new post!!! Thank you! [OT] I have donate to LibreOffice some money and sure many of my time since 28.09.2010 to spread his use, to make it in mind to many people in Italy and in my local engineer professional association. In any case I think that resources like University Students, Google SoC, ... are and remain useful to both sides ;-) (TDF/Community/Users and Students themselfes). I also want to find an approved new feature list in TDF or LibreOffice site... Have all a sunny day, Carlo ing. Carlo Strata - via Botticelli 1/4 30031 Dolo - VE Italia - Italy - tel./fax +39.041.822.0665 cell. +39.347.85.69.824 Skype carlo.strata Google carlo.strata.69 - carlo.str...@tiscali.it PEC: carlo.str...@ingpec.eu Il 16/05/2013 01.58, Steve Edmonds ha scritto: On 2013-05-16 07:45, Joel Madero wrote: Any payments and/or donations must be accounted for and if the person paying has any intent it to go to xyz, then by regulations we may need to account for that payment/donation and where it went to. That is the real problem with targeted donations and payments. There will be a mess in paperwork to deal with it. Opt in, opt out, What it was used for. Keeping track of all of who pays what, for what, can cost more than thepayment in paperwork and legal fees. This has been discussed quite a bit on user list and brought up during ESC at some point and I thought the consensus was we'll just let them do what they want and not endorse, support, etc... any of that. I thought that kept us out of legal muddy waters. It'd be similar to me just going to a friend who is a programmer and saying dude, can I pay you $100 to fix this issue - a contract completely out of TDF's hands. Best, Joel Would this paid for feature not then create a fork in the code, then are you committing to maintaining that branch until some time (may be never) that the branch feature is voted into the main code base. It seems a bit impractical when you have a continually evolving product to pay to add a feature unless you are assured it will be included in the main code base and maintained. Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Donations system: pay for a feature
Hello Carlo, Le jeudi 16 mai 2013 à 09:09 +0200, Carlo Strata a écrit : Hi Everyone, in any case (!) none has answered to my initial question and moreover has to be avoided changing the thread object and throw away one person's suggest or a simply discuss. So that now I have to renew my question with another all new post!!! Thank you! [OT] I have donate to LibreOffice some money and sure many of my time since 28.09.2010 to spread his use, to make it in mind to many people in Italy and in my local engineer professional association. Thank you a lot BTW! In any case I think that resources like University Students, Google SoC, ... are and remain useful to both sides ;-) (TDF/Community/Users and Students themselfes). I also want to find an approved new feature list in TDF or LibreOffice site... I think we do have what you are looking for: https://www.libreoffice.org/features/ (and linked pages from there) https://www.libreoffice.org/index.php/download/4-0-new-features-and-fixes/ and of course, the wiki pages: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.0 Hope this helps, Charles. Have all a sunny day, Carlo ing. Carlo Strata - via Botticelli 1/4 30031 Dolo - VE Italia - Italy - tel./fax +39.041.822.0665 cell. +39.347.85.69.824 Skype carlo.strata Google carlo.strata.69 - carlo.str...@tiscali.it PEC: carlo.str...@ingpec.eu Il 16/05/2013 01.58, Steve Edmonds ha scritto: On 2013-05-16 07:45, Joel Madero wrote: Any payments and/or donations must be accounted for and if the person paying has any intent it to go to xyz, then by regulations we may need to account for that payment/donation and where it went to. That is the real problem with targeted donations and payments. There will be a mess in paperwork to deal with it. Opt in, opt out, What it was used for. Keeping track of all of who pays what, for what, can cost more than thepayment in paperwork and legal fees. This has been discussed quite a bit on user list and brought up during ESC at some point and I thought the consensus was we'll just let them do what they want and not endorse, support, etc... any of that. I thought that kept us out of legal muddy waters. It'd be similar to me just going to a friend who is a programmer and saying dude, can I pay you $100 to fix this issue - a contract completely out of TDF's hands. Best, Joel Would this paid for feature not then create a fork in the code, then are you committing to maintaining that branch until some time (may be never) that the branch feature is voted into the main code base. It seems a bit impractical when you have a continually evolving product to pay to add a feature unless you are assured it will be included in the main code base and maintained. Steve -- Charles-H. Schulz Co-Founder Director, The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Donations system: pay for a feature
Hi Charles, thank you very much but with approved new feature I meant next releases features that are not yet implemented but wanted features, wanted by Community and/or TDF. I have found something similar here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA in the Enhancement requests (experimental) link that take you here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Vote_for_Enhancement that is, obviously, a set of collected enhanced issues... I also remember that the initial pdf/a develop was done by an Italian developer... I think to be part of the big the digital preservation of electronic documents business is one of the good thing to pursuit. In the famous release plan page would be useful to put the features that TDF, Developer and Community intend to include in each version: if you want say it a featured road map, something like this: http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/1.5.x_Roadmap Have a nice afternoon, Carlo ing. Carlo Strata - via Botticelli 1/4 30031 Dolo - VE Italia - Italy - tel./fax +39.041.822.0665 cell. +39.347.85.69.824 Skype carlo.strata Google carlo.strata.69 - carlo.str...@tiscali.it PEC: carlo.str...@ingpec.eu Il 16/05/2013 10.50, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto: Hello Carlo, Le jeudi 16 mai 2013 à 09:09 +0200, Carlo Strata a écrit : Hi Everyone, in any case (!) none has answered to my initial question and moreover has to be avoided changing the thread object and throw away one person's suggest or a simply discuss. So that now I have to renew my question with another all new post!!! Thank you! [OT] I have donate to LibreOffice some money and sure many of my time since 28.09.2010 to spread his use, to make it in mind to many people in Italy and in my local engineer professional association. Thank you a lot BTW! In any case I think that resources like University Students, Google SoC, ... are and remain useful to both sides ;-) (TDF/Community/Users and Students themselfes). I also want to find an approved new feature list in TDF or LibreOffice site... I think we do have what you are looking for: https://www.libreoffice.org/features/ (and linked pages from there) https://www.libreoffice.org/index.php/download/4-0-new-features-and-fixes/ and of course, the wiki pages: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.0 Hope this helps, Charles. Have all a sunny day, Carlo ing. Carlo Strata - via Botticelli 1/4 30031 Dolo - VE Italia - Italy - tel./fax +39.041.822.0665 cell. +39.347.85.69.824 Skype carlo.strata Google carlo.strata.69 - carlo.str...@tiscali.it PEC: carlo.str...@ingpec.eu Il 16/05/2013 01.58, Steve Edmonds ha scritto: On 2013-05-16 07:45, Joel Madero wrote: Any payments and/or donations must be accounted for and if the person paying has any intent it to go to xyz, then by regulations we may need to account for that payment/donation and where it went to. That is the real problem with targeted donations and payments. There will be a mess in paperwork to deal with it. Opt in, opt out, What it was used for. Keeping track of all of who pays what, for what, can cost more than thepayment in paperwork and legal fees. This has been discussed quite a bit on user list and brought up during ESC at some point and I thought the consensus was we'll just let them do what they want and not endorse, support, etc... any of that. I thought that kept us out of legal muddy waters. It'd be similar to me just going to a friend who is a programmer and saying dude, can I pay you $100 to fix this issue - a contract completely out of TDF's hands. Best, Joel Would this paid for feature not then create a fork in the code, then are you committing to maintaining that branch until some time (may be never) that the branch feature is voted into the main code base. It seems a bit impractical when you have a continually evolving product to pay to add a feature unless you are assured it will be included in the main code base and maintained. Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Donations system: pay for a feature
Hello Carlo, Le jeudi 16 mai 2013 à 14:07 +0200, Carlo Strata a écrit : Hi Charles, thank you very much but with approved new feature I meant next releases features that are not yet implemented but wanted features, wanted by Community and/or TDF. I have found something similar here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA in the Enhancement requests (experimental) link that take you here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Vote_for_Enhancement that is, obviously, a set of collected enhanced issues... I also remember that the initial pdf/a develop was done by an Italian developer... I think to be part of the big the digital preservation of electronic documents business is one of the good thing to pursuit. In the famous release plan page would be useful to put the features that TDF, Developer and Community intend to include in each version: if you want say it a featured road map, something like this: http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/1.5.x_Roadmap Have a nice afternoon, We do indeed have a few dedicated page in the wiki as you pointed out, but as you know we don't have a roadmap they way it is classically understood; release notes exist however not just at the time of the release and appear much earlier, in this sense, they are the next features page you may be looking for. best, Charles. Carlo ing. Carlo Strata - via Botticelli 1/4 30031 Dolo - VE Italia - Italy - tel./fax +39.041.822.0665 cell. +39.347.85.69.824 Skype carlo.strata Google carlo.strata.69 - carlo.str...@tiscali.it PEC: carlo.str...@ingpec.eu Il 16/05/2013 10.50, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto: Hello Carlo, Le jeudi 16 mai 2013 à 09:09 +0200, Carlo Strata a écrit : Hi Everyone, in any case (!) none has answered to my initial question and moreover has to be avoided changing the thread object and throw away one person's suggest or a simply discuss. So that now I have to renew my question with another all new post!!! Thank you! [OT] I have donate to LibreOffice some money and sure many of my time since 28.09.2010 to spread his use, to make it in mind to many people in Italy and in my local engineer professional association. Thank you a lot BTW! In any case I think that resources like University Students, Google SoC, ... are and remain useful to both sides ;-) (TDF/Community/Users and Students themselfes). I also want to find an approved new feature list in TDF or LibreOffice site... I think we do have what you are looking for: https://www.libreoffice.org/features/ (and linked pages from there) https://www.libreoffice.org/index.php/download/4-0-new-features-and-fixes/ and of course, the wiki pages: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.0 Hope this helps, Charles. Have all a sunny day, Carlo ing. Carlo Strata - via Botticelli 1/4 30031 Dolo - VE Italia - Italy - tel./fax +39.041.822.0665 cell. +39.347.85.69.824 Skype carlo.strata Google carlo.strata.69 - carlo.str...@tiscali.it PEC: carlo.str...@ingpec.eu Il 16/05/2013 01.58, Steve Edmonds ha scritto: On 2013-05-16 07:45, Joel Madero wrote: Any payments and/or donations must be accounted for and if the person paying has any intent it to go to xyz, then by regulations we may need to account for that payment/donation and where it went to. That is the real problem with targeted donations and payments. There will be a mess in paperwork to deal with it. Opt in, opt out, What it was used for. Keeping track of all of who pays what, for what, can cost more than thepayment in paperwork and legal fees. This has been discussed quite a bit on user list and brought up during ESC at some point and I thought the consensus was we'll just let them do what they want and not endorse, support, etc... any of that. I thought that kept us out of legal muddy waters. It'd be similar to me just going to a friend who is a programmer and saying dude, can I pay you $100 to fix this issue - a contract completely out of TDF's hands. Best, Joel Would this paid for feature not then create a fork in the code, then are you committing to maintaining that branch until some time (may be never) that the branch feature is voted into the main code base. It seems a bit impractical when you have a continually evolving product to pay to add a feature unless you are assured it will be included in the main code base and maintained. Steve -- Charles-H. Schulz Co-Founder Director, The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive:
[tdf-discuss] Donations system: pay for a feature
Traducción de texto o de páginas web I think it would be good to allow donations to certain feature of the program. If there is a particular functionality, the team could estimate cost as a budget with a code attached. If the donations do you put the code, once you reach the budget target the team could prioritize such development. It seems right?? Translated with Google, I know Spanish, I am willing to learn Esperanto, but impose English as the national language is any unfair. Escribe texto o la dirección de un sitio web, o bien, traduce un documento http://translate.google.com/?tr=fhl=es. Cancelar http://translate.google.com/?tr=thl=es Ejemplo del uso de : traducido automáticamente por Google El 15/05/13 17:04, Carlo Strata escribió: Hi Everyone, are there some plans to extend PDF/A export to new versions of that standard other than and in addition to PDF/A-1? I mean PDF/A-2 and PDF/A-3 that are already ISO standards: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF/A Nice Google SoC activity? ;-) Have All a sunny day, Carlo -- Usa el esperanto para acelerar el aprendizaje de idiomas, ganarás años como demuestran los estudios científicos realizados (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valor_proped%C3%A9utico_del_esperanto). Puede leer más sobre el idioma en http://personal.us.es/gmolleda/lingvoj.html, http://www.2-2.se/es/ y http://esperantofre.com/edu/iloj01h.htm#celo. El inglés, francés, alemán o chino mandarín son muy ineficientes para su aprendizaje como segundo idioma (mejor tercero) y fuente de grandes movimientos de divisas de países pobres hacia los más ricos. Igual que aprendes a escribir primero trazos y no directamente las letras, es mejor para el cerebro aprender primero una lengua regular y planificada. * Guillermo Molleda Jimena Departamento de Economía Financiera y Dirección de Operaciones Facultad de Turismo y Finanzas Universidad de Sevilla Avda. San Francisco Javier s/n 41018 Sevilla Tfno: 954 55 16 55 Fax: 954 55 75 70 E-mail: gmoll...@us.es http://personal.us.es/gmolleda * -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Donations system: pay for a feature
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: Spending money, via donations, geared to one feature and not the whole package can be a VERY bad marketing issue. I never liked it. If you donate money to one feature and it does not get added, or fixed, in your time line and not the developer's, it can be a mess. We do not know what can be fixed easily, or if something that looks simple will be a real hard add or fix. The simple things tend to be not so simple. We cannot even make a paper trail to show an agency [required by] that the donation towards a feature would even go to it. That would make a big legal mess. Paying a third party to fix things has been used by spammers for a long time. +1 to all that, but I think offering a payment and letting a developer opt in or out is fine. As long as user and developer understand LibreOffice has no part in the process. Best, Joel -- *Joel Madero* LibreOffice QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Donations system: pay for a feature
On 05/15/2013 02:03 PM, Joel Madero wrote: On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: Spending money, via donations, geared to one feature and not the whole package can be a VERY bad marketing issue. I never liked it. If you donate money to one feature and it does not get added, or fixed, in your time line and not the developer's, it can be a mess. We do not know what can be fixed easily, or if something that looks simple will be a real hard add or fix. The simple things tend to be not so simple. We cannot even make a paper trail to show an agency [required by] that the donation towards a feature would even go to it. That would make a big legal mess. Paying a third party to fix things has been used by spammers for a long time. +1 to all that, but I think offering a payment and letting a developer opt in or out is fine. As long as user and developer understand LibreOffice has no part in the process. Best, Joel Any payments and/or donations must be accounted for and if the person paying has any intent it to go to xyz, then by regulations we may need to account for that payment/donation and where it went to. That is the real problem with targeted donations and payments. There will be a mess in paperwork to deal with it. Opt in, opt out, What it was used for. Keeping track of all of who pays what, for what, can cost more than thepayment in paperwork and legal fees. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Donations system: pay for a feature
Any payments and/or donations must be accounted for and if the person paying has any intent it to go to xyz, then by regulations we may need to account for that payment/donation and where it went to. That is the real problem with targeted donations and payments. There will be a mess in paperwork to deal with it. Opt in, opt out, What it was used for. Keeping track of all of who pays what, for what, can cost more than thepayment in paperwork and legal fees. This has been discussed quite a bit on user list and brought up during ESC at some point and I thought the consensus was we'll just let them do what they want and not endorse, support, etc... any of that. I thought that kept us out of legal muddy waters. It'd be similar to me just going to a friend who is a programmer and saying dude, can I pay you $100 to fix this issue - a contract completely out of TDF's hands. Best, Joel -- *Joel Madero* LibreOffice QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Donations system: pay for a feature
On 2013-05-16 07:45, Joel Madero wrote: Any payments and/or donations must be accounted for and if the person paying has any intent it to go to xyz, then by regulations we may need to account for that payment/donation and where it went to. That is the real problem with targeted donations and payments. There will be a mess in paperwork to deal with it. Opt in, opt out, What it was used for. Keeping track of all of who pays what, for what, can cost more than thepayment in paperwork and legal fees. This has been discussed quite a bit on user list and brought up during ESC at some point and I thought the consensus was we'll just let them do what they want and not endorse, support, etc... any of that. I thought that kept us out of legal muddy waters. It'd be similar to me just going to a friend who is a programmer and saying dude, can I pay you $100 to fix this issue - a contract completely out of TDF's hands. Best, Joel Would this paid for feature not then create a fork in the code, then are you committing to maintaining that branch until some time (may be never) that the branch feature is voted into the main code base. It seems a bit impractical when you have a continually evolving product to pay to add a feature unless you are assured it will be included in the main code base and maintained. Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Donations system: pay for a feature
On 05/15/2013 03:45 PM, Joel Madero wrote: Any payments and/or donations must be accounted for and if the person paying has any intent it to go to xyz, then by regulations we may need to account for that payment/donation and where it went to. That is the real problem with targeted donations and payments. There will be a mess in paperwork to deal with it. Opt in, opt out, What it was used for. Keeping track of all of who pays what, for what, can cost more than thepayment in paperwork and legal fees. This has been discussed quite a bit on user list and brought up during ESC at some point and I thought the consensus was we'll just let them do what they want and not endorse, support, etc... any of that. I thought that kept us out of legal muddy waters. It'd be similar to me just going to a friend who is a programmer and saying dude, can I pay you $100 to fix this issue - a contract completely out of TDF's hands. Best, Joel In other words, you (the user who wants the feature) offers a bounty to anyone willing to fix the bug for you. This does not involve LO directly, so they are in the clear. -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Donations
Hi Harold, Harold Fuchs wrote on 2010-10-12 10.28: I just noticed that the TDF Donations web page at http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/ gives bank account details for something called Openoffice.org Deutschland e.V. Does this mean the money goes to Oracle? no. Team OpenOffice.org != OpenOffice.org Deutschland e.V. The latter one has several members in the Steering Committee of TDF (André and me, and Thomas and Jacqueline are co-founders of TDF), and acts as interim legal entity, providing the infrastructure and the like. So, donating money to OOoDeV means donating money to the efforts of TDF. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Donations ?
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 22:32 +0200, Cor Nouws wrote: Sophie Gautier wrote (13-10-10 22:27) I remember Jean request, but not yours sorry. Again, I've tried to get these information displayed with no success. It did help. Finally we started to add some data to the council wiki. See http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Funding_And_Budgets Do check the section at the bottom. Thanks, Cor! I had stopped paying attention to CC stuff because it was too frustrating. Good to know that things finally started happening when I wasn't looking. :-) --Jean -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Donations ?
On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 23:27 +0200, elcico2001 wrote: Maybe it's a little early but... I would suggest, as I already said to Italo Vignoli, a page on the website to show a TDF annual financial report, like, for example, wikimedia: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Finance_report I think transparency is a good way to show TDF is working well... and, in my opinion, it also invites people to donate more money. Namaste :) +1 I have been asking for this from the OpenOffice.org community council for many years, with no results. I don't like to give money if I don't know where it's going. I hope The Document Foundation will do better. I don't expect auditing, but I do expect some basic accounting. Here is an example, from the group that handles the money raised for OOoAuthors from sales of printed copies of the OOo user guides: http://www.friendsofopendocument.com/newsite/?page_id=181 (Which reminds me, I should have put the January-June 2010 figures on that website some time ago.) --Jean -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Donations ?
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 22:31 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 23:27 +0200, elcico2001 wrote: Maybe it's a little early but... I would suggest, as I already said to Italo Vignoli, a page on the website to show a TDF annual financial report, like, for example, wikimedia: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Finance_report I think transparency is a good way to show TDF is working well... and, in my opinion, it also invites people to donate more money. Namaste :) +1 I have been asking for this from the OpenOffice.org community council for many years, with no results. I don't like to give money if I don't know where it's going. I hope The Document Foundation will do better. I don't expect auditing, but I do expect some basic accounting. Here is an example, from the group that handles the money raised for OOoAuthors from sales of printed copies of the OOo user guides: http://www.friendsofopendocument.com/newsite/?page_id=181 HI, Well I a bit lost here, doesn't http://www.ooodev.org/ have to do this, as a matter of law? Drew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Donations ?
On 13 October 2010 14:54, Drew Jensen d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 22:31 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 23:27 +0200, elcico2001 wrote: Maybe it's a little early but... I would suggest, as I already said to Italo Vignoli, a page on the website to show a TDF annual financial report, like, for example, wikimedia: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Finance_report I think transparency is a good way to show TDF is working well... and, in my opinion, it also invites people to donate more money. Namaste :) +1 I have been asking for this from the OpenOffice.org community council for many years, with no results. I don't like to give money if I don't know where it's going. I hope The Document Foundation will do better. I don't expect auditing, but I do expect some basic accounting. Here is an example, from the group that handles the money raised for OOoAuthors from sales of printed copies of the OOo user guides: http://www.friendsofopendocument.com/newsite/?page_id=181 HI, Well I a bit lost here, doesn't http://www.ooodev.org/ have to do this, as a matter of law? Drew Is the difference that by law the financials must be submitted to the relevant [government] authority but not necessarily published on the web? It's the latter that is being requested, I think. -- Harold Fuchs London, England -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Donations ?
Hi, On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Jean Hollis Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 23:27 +0200, elcico2001 wrote: Maybe it's a little early but... I would suggest, as I already said to Italo Vignoli, a page on the website to show a TDF annual financial report, like, for example, wikimedia: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Finance_report I think transparency is a good way to show TDF is working well... and, in my opinion, it also invites people to donate more money. Namaste :) +1 +1 I have been asking for this from the OpenOffice.org community council for many years, with no results. And I've been asking the same when I was at the CC with no results. I don't like to give money if I don't know where it's going. I hope The Document Foundation will do better. I don't expect auditing, but I do expect some basic accounting. I agree with you and have the same expectation. Transparency is very important for me too. Kind regards Sophie -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Donations ?
Hi Jean, Jean Hollis Weber wrote (13-10-10 14:31) I think transparency is a good way to show TDF is working well... and, in my opinion, it also invites people to donate more money. I have been asking for this from the OpenOffice.org community council for many years, with no results. I don't like to give money if I don't It did help. Finally we started to add some data to the council wiki. See http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Funding_And_Budgets Do check the section at the bottom. Regards, Cor -- - giving openoffice.org its foundation :: The Document Foundation - - ideas/remarks for the community council? See http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Donations ?
I have been asking for this from the OpenOffice.org community council for many years, with no results. I don't like to give money if I don't know where it's going. I've made the same experience. No answer. So I learn, that informations in this open project are not so open like it can be. Why? The more I know about the money usage in such an organisation, the easier is it for me to ask my board of directors to support them by some donation. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Donations ?
Hi, On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Bernd Glueckert bernd.glueck...@ot-soft.de wrote: I have been asking for this from the OpenOffice.org community council for many years, with no results. I don't like to give money if I don't know where it's going. I've made the same experience. No answer. So I learn, that informations in this open project are not so open like it can be. Why? I remember Jean request, but not yours sorry. Again, I've tried to get these information displayed with no success. I really hope this will not be the case for the Foundation. Being a member of it, I'm quite sure we will be successful this time :) Kind regards Sophie -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Donations ?
Sophie Gautier wrote (13-10-10 22:27) I remember Jean request, but not yours sorry. Again, I've tried to get these information displayed with no success. It did help. Finally we started to add some data to the council wiki. See http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Funding_And_Budgets Do check the section at the bottom. -- - giving openoffice.org its foundation :: The Document Foundation - - ideas/remarks for the community council? See http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
