Re: [IxDA Discuss] Bulk-content creators
Thanks...hehehe, and I completely agree =]. We have a pretty good handle on SEO with the strategy you described (honest cross-links, etc). In my post, I was really wondering whether anyone else had seen the proliferation of such 'SEO pages' across the net, and if they felt as dismayed by this strategy as I do. After hearing the pitch from this SEO company, we all agreed that it felt like "gaming the system", too. - Bryan http://www.bryanminihan.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fred Beecher Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 8:54 AM To: IxD Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Bulk-content creators Just say no to black hat SEO crap. : ) - F. *Come to IxDA Interaction08 | Savannah* February 8-10, 2008 in Savannah, GA, USA Register today: http://interaction08.ixda.org/ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Bulk-content creators
On 12/3/07, Bryan Minihan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We're considering using an SEO strategy whereby a company creates several > hundred content pages with relevant keywords (to our site) that link back > to > our site, in order to increase our search engine rankings. I just wrote a > piece about this on my Blog, but have been wondering how you esteemed > folks > feel about the subject: > > http://www.bryanminihan.com/minihands/2007/12/that-weird-empty-feeling-from- > bulk.html While SEO isn't my specialty, I do work with SEO people quite a bit. And from what I understand this is a Bad Idea. First of all, if these "content pages" are registered by the same entity, the search engines will pick up on that and penalize you for link farming. Second of all, if the content is of no use to searchers, this is also bad user experience. At my company, the way we get lots of links for clients is by doing research to find *relevant* Web sites and blogs and then *asking them* to link to the client's site. Usually these requests are easily granted (often in exchange for a link back to them). Search is a HUGE part of the modern user experience of the Web, and it's best not to mess with it (highly targeted, pay-per-click campaigns are a slight exception... a digression I won't get into here). The best thing you can do is to increase the ACTUAL relevance of your content to your target audience by a) writing it to reflect their language and b) getting your site linked to other relevant sites. The search engines will pick up on that relevance and rank you accordingly. Besides, they're real smart these days and will punish you for playing games. And users are impatient. It's easy for them to go away if they feel like you're messing with them. But you know that. Just say no to black hat SEO crap. : ) - F. *Come to IxDA Interaction08 | Savannah* February 8-10, 2008 in Savannah, GA, USA Register today: http://interaction08.ixda.org/ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Bulk-content creators
Right, I agree with you =]. Guess when I said "we're considering", I meant "a company pitched this idea to us". I feel the same way and it bothers me that companies have begun flooding the Internet with this kind of stuff...just makes everything more difficult to find. - Bryan http://www.bryanminihan.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Hoffman Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 8:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Bulk-content creators > -Original Message- > We're considering using an SEO strategy whereby a company creates > several hundred content pages with relevant keywords (to our site) > that link back to our site, in order to increase our search engine > rankings. Bryan, I'm skeptical that this strategy will be effective and generally think it's a bad idea since it's basically trying to trick the search engines. The value of inbound links is directly proportional to the ranking of the pages those links are coming from. The pages being created by the company you mentioned are likely to have a very low ranking themselves, thereby giving you little value for your time and money. As your website says, "Anything worth doing, is worth doing well..." So spend the time and money asking for legitimate links to your sites instead, along with other standardized SEO techniques. Brian *Come to IxDA Interaction08 | Savannah* February 8-10, 2008 in Savannah, GA, USA Register today: http://interaction08.ixda.org/ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help *Come to IxDA Interaction08 | Savannah* February 8-10, 2008 in Savannah, GA, USA Register today: http://interaction08.ixda.org/ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Bulk-content creators
> -Original Message- > We're considering using an SEO strategy whereby a company creates > several hundred content pages with relevant keywords (to our site) > that link back to our site, in order to increase our search engine > rankings. Bryan, I'm skeptical that this strategy will be effective and generally think it's a bad idea since it's basically trying to trick the search engines. The value of inbound links is directly proportional to the ranking of the pages those links are coming from. The pages being created by the company you mentioned are likely to have a very low ranking themselves, thereby giving you little value for your time and money. As your website says, "Anything worth doing, is worth doing well..." So spend the time and money asking for legitimate links to your sites instead, along with other standardized SEO techniques. Brian *Come to IxDA Interaction08 | Savannah* February 8-10, 2008 in Savannah, GA, USA Register today: http://interaction08.ixda.org/ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
[IxDA Discuss] Bulk-content creators (correction - broken link)
Here ya go... http://tinyurl.com/258umz Wow, my first tinyurl. - Bryan http://www.bryanminihan.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan Minihan Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 8:56 PM To: 'IxD' Subject: [IxDA Discuss] Bulk-content creators We're considering using an SEO strategy whereby a company creates several hundred content pages with relevant keywords (to our site) that link back to our site, in order to increase our search engine rankings. I just wrote a piece about this on my Blog, but have been wondering how you esteemed folks feel about the subject: http://www.bryanminihan.com/minihands/2007/12/that-weird-empty-feeling-from- bulk.html It's not specifically design related, but such pages definitely impact one's interaction with the web as a whole, and illustrate perfectly how a clean, well-designed site can still be completely worthless if it doesn't contain valuable content. - Bryan http://www.bryanminihan.com *Come to IxDA Interaction08 | Savannah* February 8-10, 2008 in Savannah, GA, USA Register today: http://interaction08.ixda.org/ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
[IxDA Discuss] Bulk-content creators
We're considering using an SEO strategy whereby a company creates several hundred content pages with relevant keywords (to our site) that link back to our site, in order to increase our search engine rankings. I just wrote a piece about this on my Blog, but have been wondering how you esteemed folks feel about the subject: http://www.bryanminihan.com/minihands/2007/12/that-weird-empty-feeling-from- bulk.html It's not specifically design related, but such pages definitely impact one's interaction with the web as a whole, and illustrate perfectly how a clean, well-designed site can still be completely worthless if it doesn't contain valuable content. - Bryan http://www.bryanminihan.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Scheid Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 8:27 PM To: IxD Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Placement of credit card logos On 4/12/07 3:15 AM, "Ari Feldman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > most, not all ecommerce sites offer credit card payment options in a drop > down menu with Visa usually defaulted as its the most popular card in the > US. > > because it's defaulted, some users may not click on the menu to reveal other > choices like AMEX or Discover, etc. blech, drop downs always hide options :-( One site I recently visited did something smart - although they had the card type as a drop down, they did display next to that the credit card logos/icons ... and they *also* put a smidgen of javascript on those images such that clicking (say) the Visa logo would select Visa in the drop down. People do click images. Go with the flow. by the way - in an early study into what makes websites more trustable, it was found that prominent display of credit card logos had an effect (more so than the various TRUSTe style badges). Don't know if that is still the case though .. time to repeat the research. e. *Come to IxDA Interaction08 | Savannah* February 8-10, 2008 in Savannah, GA, USA Register today: http://interaction08.ixda.org/ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help *Come to IxDA Interaction08 | Savannah* February 8-10, 2008 in Savannah, GA, USA Register today: http://interaction08.ixda.org/ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
