Re: [IxDA Discuss] Pie Menus
Thanks for the video and references! The video really shows the value of marking menu. An earlier conparison of pie vs linear menu was made, that you might know about, Kaleem, and I post it as reference purposes. CALLAHAN J., HOPKINS D., WEISER M., SHNEIDERMAN B. (1988). « An empirical comparison of pie vs. linear menus », Proceedings of the SIGCHI conference on Human factors in computing systems, Washington, D. C., p. 95-100. Note that it's an early study on pie menus and does not yet mention the fact of using marks for selection. In addition to this, I post references to other studies involving radial and marking menu: BORITZ J., BOOTH K. S., COWAN W. B. (1991). « Fitts's law studies of directional mouse movement. » Proceedings of Graphics interface '91, Canadian Information Processing Society, p. 216-223. ZHAO S., BALAKRISHNAN R. (2004). « Simple vs. compound mark hierarchical marking menus », Proceedings of the 17th annual ACM symposium on User interface software and technology, Santa Fe, NM, 10 p. Regards, . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=34967 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Pie Menus
Dave Talbot discussed Gord Kurtenbach's work at Alias (now Autodesk) in his earlier post -- http://www.ixda.org/discuss.php?post=34967#34978 -- which led to Gord's PhD thesis on The Design and Evaluation of Marking Menus : http://www.dgp.toronto.edu/~gordo/papers/thesis.pdf. Bill Buxton was Alias Chief Scientist at the time much of that research was conducted, and under his tenure Alias products began to integrate the research. The most notable use was in Sketchbook Pro -- which was designed around gestural interaction -- but Maya and Studio Tools also use these menus, as I recall. You can download trial versions from Autodesk: http://area.autodesk.com/sketchbook Gord is now Director of Autodesk Applied Research Group in Toronto. Here is a video from the early research conducted with George Fitzmaurice, Azam Khan and Don Almeida that compares marking menus, dropdown menus and pie menus: Gesture Recognition in Marking Menus www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtH9GdFSQaw -K . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=34967 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Pie Menus
Hi Krystal, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfFwgPuEdSkfeature=related It seems Jeff Han use (popup) list menu as well as pie menu at the same time, and his method triggering the pie menu looks quite interesting. Thanks, -- Jarod -- http://designforuse.blogspot.com/ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
[IxDA Discuss] Pie Menus
Hello everyone, I'm new to IxDA, glad to be part of this. I wanted to share this interesting article: http://jonoscript.wordpress.com/2008/10/28/pie-in-the-sky/ What are your thoughts? - Mike avisena.com mikecuesta.com -- It's easier to invent the future than to predict it. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Pie Menus
Hi Mike, Lateral movement is easier, shorter is quicker. The pie chart has a larger area in terms of direction of travel i.e. there is more tolerance. The pie is smaller but its nearer. See Fitt's Law for a mathematical view. Ivor Tillier Senior Web Producer -Original Message- http://jonoscript.wordpress.com/2008/10/28/pie-in-the-sky/ What are your thoughts? This email (and any attachment) is confidential, may be legally privileged and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient please do not disclose, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please tell us by reply and delete all copies on your system. Although this email has been scanned for viruses you should rely on your own virus check as the sender accepts no liability for any damage arising out of any bug or virus infection. Please note that email traffic data may be monitored and that emails may be viewed for security reasons. Blackwell Publishing Limited is a private limited company registered in England with registered number 180277. Registered office address: The Atrium, Southern Gate, Chichester, West Sussex, PO19 8SQ. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Pie Menus
I'm glad seeing interests for pie menus. They have some limitations (ie.: screen space and number of elements) but present major advantages offer linear menus. One I like is the possibility to use marks for selection instead of pointing. Gordon Kurtembach made a Ph.D. thesis on the subject, calling it Marking Menus: KURTENBACH G. (1993). The design and evaluation of marking menus, University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, 173 p. There's another implementation for Firefox that might interest you. Its called easyGestures: http://easygestures.mozdev.org/ Also, here's a very interresting project called Circle Dock to allow you to select application in windows: http://circledock.wikidot.com/ For mac, the equivalent would be Trampoline: http://www.old-jewel.com/trampoline/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=34967 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Pie Menus
For mac, the equivalent would be Trampoline: http://www.old-jewel.com/trampoline/ Sweet — I already love it! Thanks for the tip. I've used QuickSilver for at least a year now, but Trampoline is a nice alternative for those core apps I open all the time. (Doesn't work so well for folders, though, because instead of opening the folder, you get a new radial menu for each level of the hierarchy.) -r- Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Pie Menus
I love radial / orbital menus which are related to pie. Especially when dealing with deeply nested hierarchies as on windows/web, it's SOOO easy to accidently mouse off a deeply nested menu, and then have to retraverse it, to miss it again! Even back in 2005 I had one on my site (still up). It's actually has more than one depth, and a sort of zooming. It is a mini research project to see how well motion could be used to convey relationship. This is because my previous job was doing neural network visualization and we had saturated color, position for carrying information. There is a button off to the left side to turn visual hierarchy back on. The other thing I tried to explore is navigation vrs reading. You can click on the window to bring it front. Everything is draggable. http://www.troyworks.com/menu.html Troy. On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Mike Cuesta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, I'm new to IxDA, glad to be part of this. I wanted to share this interesting article: http://jonoscript.wordpress.com/2008/10/28/pie-in-the-sky/ What are your thoughts? - Mike avisena.com mikecuesta.com -- It's easier to invent the future than to predict it. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Pie Menus
http://www.troyworks.com/menu.html Sorry, it's a bit hard for me to use it after some trying. there's maybe some reasons 1. adapt to the normal menu design patterns 2. it's easier to read the in line mode instead of circle mode, which may have big influnce on daily point/action work But if it's touchable interface (such as iphone), it maybe different, while there's two hands hold the device, and it maybe easier for operation ( but i suspect the old palm's grid interface, such as Palm Tx, works better on this condition ) Cheers, -- Jarod On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Troy Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love radial / orbital menus which are related to pie. Especially when dealing with deeply nested hierarchies as on windows/web, it's SOOO easy to accidently mouse off a deeply nested menu, and then have to retraverse it, to miss it again! Even back in 2005 I had one on my site (still up). It's actually has more than one depth, and a sort of zooming. It is a mini research project to see how well motion could be used to convey relationship. This is because my previous job was doing neural network visualization and we had saturated color, position for carrying information. There is a button off to the left side to turn visual hierarchy back on. The other thing I tried to explore is navigation vrs reading. You can click on the window to bring it front. Everything is draggable. http://www.troyworks.com/menu.html Troy. On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Mike Cuesta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, I'm new to IxDA, glad to be part of this. I wanted to share this interesting article: http://jonoscript.wordpress.com/2008/10/28/pie-in-the-sky/ What are your thoughts? - Mike avisena.com mikecuesta.com -- It's easier to invent the future than to predict it. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help -- http://designforuse.blogspot.com/ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
