Re: [IxDA Discuss] How could I deal with my ex-employer for not releasing the design work I\'d done?
On Jul 20, 2009, at 6:06 AM, Tara Goskie wrote: Since I was paid to create the designs, I'm afraid I may not have the rights to request the files. Is there any third person I could contact for assistance? What would be the appropriate way to handle the issue? Tara, Be careful about the advice you've seen here. Employment law is mostly dictated at the state level, not federal. It is my understanding that many if not most states default to a work for hire agreement, which would mean that the company that pays owns the work unless explicitly excluded in a hire agreement. Illegally harboring copies of work that belong to someone else would border on unethical behavior and I don't think we, as a community, should be encouraging that. (After all, we'd be all up in arms if the situation were reversed.) IxDA Board, I think it would be an awesome service of the IxDA to hire an employment lawyer to put together general guidance on this issue. It would be especially awesome to have said lawyer help with some boilerplate contract clauses that we, as a community, could add to our hiring agreements, so that we can protect our rights to demonstrate our work to future employers and clients. That's my thoughts, Jared Jared M. Spool User Interface Engineering 510 Turnpike St., Suite 102, North Andover, MA 01845 e: jsp...@uie.com p: +1 978 327 5561 http://uie.com Blog: http://uie.com/brainsparks Twitter: @jmspool Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] How could I deal with my ex-employer for not releasing the design work I\'d done?
On Jul 23, 2009, at 4:00 AM, Jared Spool wrote: Employment law is mostly dictated at the state level, not federal. It is my understanding that many if not most states default to a work for hire agreement, which would mean that the company that pays owns the work unless explicitly excluded in a hire agreement. Are you confusing work for hire with at will employment? One relates specifically to copyright, which is a federal issue, while the other relates to labor rights, which is a state issue. There is some overlap in concept, however, which is determining who is an employee for the purposes of determining whether a work created by an employee is a work for hire or not. The Supreme Court in CCNV v. Reid (1989) laid out a somewhat complicated test for whether an employment relationship constitutes a work for hire situation. The short version of the test is whether the employee was paid traditionally (i.e. the tax treatment of the employee), had regular hours controlled by the company, had a supervisory or directing role over the work, had control over hiring and paying assistants, and if the employer is in the business of producing the type of work in question. It's a balancing type test which is to say, failing to meet one component of the test does not automatically make you a non-employee, rather, on balance the tests are to help determine agency. The easy example is a copy writer for an ad agency that works a 9-5 job. In this case the employee is paid traditionally, has hours set by the employer, and the company is in the business of producing the work created. The problem with the creative industries is that many people are working on long-term contract rather than as a traditional employee. Under such a scenario it invites the question as to whether the contractor is an employee for the purposes of section 101(1) of the 1976 Copyright Act. For example, a bank may hire you on a two- year contract to revamp its website. Your tax status, benefits, work hours, control over the work product, and ability to hire and pay assistants help determine whether you are an employee of the bank for the purposes of 101(1). If you are determined _not_ to be an employee for the purposes of section 101(1) then you are automatically treated under section 101(2). In that situation, the test is two part: first, the work / must/ fall into one of the ten enumerated categories. Second, there must be a formal agreement stipulating that the work is a work for hire. All of which is to say that as employers it is important to ensure that we are explicit in our employment and contract agreements and don't just assume that we have authorship or ownership in the work (at minimum, however, we can assume we have an implicit license to the work, even if it is determined not to be a work for hire). Illegally harboring copies of work that belong to someone else would border on unethical behavior and I don't think we, as a community, should be encouraging that. (After all, we'd be all up in arms if the situation were reversed.) Whether it is illegal or not is determined by the authorship and ownership rights for the purposes of copyright law. (And if it is illegal harboring I would say it doesn't just border on unethical.) The safest route, when there is question about authorship/ownership, is to store the copies of work with counsel in escrow until there is a determination made or agreement between parties. I think it would be an awesome service of the IxDA to hire an employment lawyer to put together general guidance on this issue. It would be especially awesome to have said lawyer help with some boilerplate contract clauses that we, as a community, could add to our hiring agreements, so that we can protect our rights to demonstrate our work to future employers and clients. There may be something out there already, it might be useful to check some of the free legal boilerplate websites. Of course this would all be US-specific. All this talk about law and such has me wishing I'd stuck with law school instead of going the software route. Maybe it's not too late... Cheers, -corn Corn Walker Hatfield, MA Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] How could I deal with my ex-employer for not releasing the design work I\'d done?
Tara, I think you might be able to find some answers on the AIGA sitehttp://www.aiga.org/content.cfm/design-and-business. There appear to be some articles that address this exact topic. Best of luck, Hugh Griffith User Interface Designer On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 2:00 AM, Jared Spool jsp...@uie.com wrote: On Jul 20, 2009, at 6:06 AM, Tara Goskie wrote: Since I was paid to create the designs, I'm afraid I may not have the rights to request the files. Is there any third person I could contact for assistance? What would be the appropriate way to handle the issue? Tara, Be careful about the advice you've seen here. Employment law is mostly dictated at the state level, not federal. It is my understanding that many if not most states default to a work for hire agreement, which would mean that the company that pays owns the work unless explicitly excluded in a hire agreement. Illegally harboring copies of work that belong to someone else would border on unethical behavior and I don't think we, as a community, should be encouraging that. (After all, we'd be all up in arms if the situation were reversed.) IxDA Board, I think it would be an awesome service of the IxDA to hire an employment lawyer to put together general guidance on this issue. It would be especially awesome to have said lawyer help with some boilerplate contract clauses that we, as a community, could add to our hiring agreements, so that we can protect our rights to demonstrate our work to future employers and clients. That's my thoughts, Jared Jared M. Spool User Interface Engineering 510 Turnpike St., Suite 102, North Andover, MA 01845 e: jsp...@uie.com p: +1 978 327 5561 http://uie.com Blog: http://uie.com/brainsparks Twitter: @jmspool Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] How could I deal with my ex-employer for not releasing the design work I\'d done?
On Jul 20, 2009, at 3:51 PM, USABILITY MEDIC wrote: I don't know all the legalities but the company essentlaiiy owns everything you create so they have no obligation to give you access. #include std/disclaimer This is not true in the US. In the US copyright defaults to the author unless: 1) The work is explicitly a work for hire or 2) Your employment contract explicitly states you assign copyright to your employer Otherwise the creative work is considered to be owned by you and licensed to your employer. The laws in other countries will be different. You should check with a local advocate as to your default rights and review any employment agreements you may have signed. In the future you may want to avoid this type of situation, if possible, by following the recommendations others have described and by refusing to sign any documents (including purchase orders and paychecks) that deprive you of your authorship rights. Cheers, -corn Corn Walker Hatfield, MA Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] How could I deal with my ex-employer for not releasing the design work I\'d done?
This person was laid off which implies he/she was an employee. As such, he/she has no rights to the artwork created. In fact, they need to get permission to display that work in a portfolio because it's proprietary information. Where did people get the idea that there's a contract involved in this situation? (scratches head) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=43876 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] How could I deal with my ex-employer for not releasing the design work I\'d done?
Also, yes you can be sued if you display work that's not owned by you and claim it as your own. Most of the time we just get a free pass... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=43876 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] How could I deal with my ex-employer for not releasing the design work I\'d done?
I'm pretty sure there are laws to protect designers facing this problem. You have the right to employment, and you need to show prior work to get it. Check out the AIGA web site and see what you can find. In my opinion, as long as you aren't giving away any company secrets, show whatever you want in your portfolio. It's likely they'll never know anyway. Getting those files though seems to be the bigger problem... On Monday, July 20, 2009, Nathaniel Flick natoba...@gmail.com wrote: Also, yes you can be sued if you display work that's not owned by you and claim it as your own. Most of the time we just get a free pass... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=43876 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help -- Hugh Griffith User Interface Designer Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] How could I deal with my ex-employer for not releasing the design work I\'d done?
On Jul 20, 2009, at 10:05 PM, Nathaniel Flick wrote: This person was laid off which implies he/she was an employee. As such, he/she has no rights to the artwork created. In fact, they need to get permission to display that work in a portfolio because it's proprietary information. Where did people get the idea that there's a contract involved in this situation? (scratches head) From the US Copyright office (note this is limited to US copyright law - laws in your country of residence/employ may be different). It's not so much that a contract was assumed but a question of whether one exists or not, because ownership of the work may hinge on the existence of any such contract. Specifically, as applies to a creative work not on the exclusionary list, copyright defaults _automatically_ to the creator/author unless said creator has expressly agreed to assign those rights to the employer/commissioner. The way this is typically done is as a work for hire or through an employment contract. Believe it or not, even if you are an employee for a company that hired you to produce a creative work and they pay you to produce such work using company supplied resources, unless you have agreed to assign it to the employer you own the copyright to the work. Of course there can be some entanglement here when the work incorporates trade dress, trade marks, or trade secrets, but this is no different than if you as a completely unaffiliated individual create a work that infringes the trade dress of Pepsi. Don't just take my word for it, though, talk to an attorney that specializes in copyright law. Of course, even if you do own the copyright that doesn't mean the company can't sue you into submission. Lawsuits are an expensive proposition and it becomes a pragmatic decision as to whether the property in question is really worth the expense and hassle. You're at even more of a disadvantage when you don't actually have possession of the work. Companies often have much deeper pockets than individuals and seem to not care much about fabricating evidence (I have personally been involved in a dispute where a former employer lied about there having been a contract). Cheers, -corn Corn Walker Hatfield, MA Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] How could I deal with my ex-employer for not releasing the design work I\'d done?
We're you a contractor in the US? Did you sign away the copyright? On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:06 AM, Tara Goskie wrote: I have been working for a company creating online software/application for the past years. Recently I got laid off and they disabled my connection to the company's server right away. Since I was a remote employee, I wasn't able to get the design files I'd done for the company. Therefore, I emailed them to ask for a copy for the purpose of creating personal portfolio. They transferred my question among different managers and ended up ignoring my request. I'm really frustrated because I'd been working for this company since I graduated and now I'm losing all the design works I've done, not knowing what I could include in my portfolio in order to move on to the next job. Since I was paid to create the designs, I'm afraid I may not have the rights to request the files. Is there any third person I could contact for assistance? What would be the appropriate way to handle the issue? Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Patrick twitter: usabilitycounts | uxlosangeles | cooltechjobs email: p...@usabilitycounts.com | blog: http://www.usabilitycounts.com cell: (562) 508-1750 | office: (562) 612-3346 The last UX books you'll ever need. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] How could I deal with my ex-employer for not releasing the design work I\'d done?
This brings up one of those good, general practices: Never leave yourself in a position where you rely on your company's server for access to work you've done. Companies often turn off your access *before* they inform you you're no longer wanted. At least if you've copied your work to your own drive on a daily basis, you won't find yourself with no evidence whatsoever. At worst you can point to it, print it out, sanitize it...somehow make it fit for broader consumption. But if you don't have the files, you're entirely at their mercy...and you already know they don't have any. kt Katie Albers ka...@firstthought.com 310 356 7550 On Jul 20, 2009, at 1:44 PM, Patrick wrote: We're you a contractor in the US? Did you sign away the copyright? On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:06 AM, Tara Goskie wrote: I have been working for a company creating online software/ application for the past years. Recently I got laid off and they disabled my connection to the company's server right away. Since I was a remote employee, I wasn't able to get the design files I'd done for the company. Therefore, I emailed them to ask for a copy for the purpose of creating personal portfolio. They transferred my question among different managers and ended up ignoring my request. I'm really frustrated because I'd been working for this company since I graduated and now I'm losing all the design works I've done, not knowing what I could include in my portfolio in order to move on to the next job. Since I was paid to create the designs, I'm afraid I may not have the rights to request the files. Is there any third person I could contact for assistance? What would be the appropriate way to handle the issue? Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Patrick twitter: usabilitycounts | uxlosangeles | cooltechjobs email: p...@usabilitycounts.com | blog: http://www.usabilitycounts.com cell: (562) 508-1750 | office: (562) 612-3346 The last UX books you'll ever need. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] How could I deal with my ex-employer for not releasing the design work I\'d done?
The ugly reality here is that if you were an employee or a work-for-hire contractor you have no rights to access or show that work. Inherent in those relationship is ownership of your work, which you do not have. Even had you backed up all of your work locally, and they asked you to destroy those copies, you would be legally obligated to do so. Most employer will allow you use work that is not confidential in your portfolio. Once the work is public domain, in other words published or publicly used, you can claim credit On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Tara Goskie tarami...@yahoo.com.hkwrote: I have been working for a company creating online software/application for the past years. Recently I got laid off and they disabled my connection to the company's server right away. Since I was a remote employee, I wasn't able to get the design files I'd done for the company. Therefore, I emailed them to ask for a copy for the purpose of creating personal portfolio. They transferred my question among different managers and ended up ignoring my request. I'm really frustrated because I'd been working for this company since I graduated and now I'm losing all the design works I've done, not knowing what I could include in my portfolio in order to move on to the next job. Since I was paid to create the designs, I'm afraid I may not have the rights to request the files. Is there any third person I could contact for assistance? What would be the appropriate way to handle the issue? Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] How could I deal with my ex-employer for not releasing the design work I\'d done?
This doesn't help you for your current designs but in the future, send copies of your work to your personal email address or post them on a personal server AT TIME OF DELIVERY TO CLIENT. You can catalog/org them later but at least you have the files. I don't know all the legalities but the company essentlaiiy owns everything you create so they have no obligation to give you access. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:06 AM, Tara Goskie tarami...@yahoo.com.hk wrote: I have been working for a company creating online software/application for the past years. Recently I got laid off and they disabled my connection to the company's server right away. Since I was a remote employee, I wasn't able to get the design files I'd done for the company. Therefore, I emailed them to ask for a copy for the purpose of creating personal portfolio. They transferred my question among different managers and ended up ignoring my request. I'm really frustrated because I'd been working for this company since I graduated and now I'm losing all the design works I've done, not knowing what I could include in my portfolio in order to move on to the next job. Since I was paid to create the designs, I'm afraid I may not have the rights to request the files. Is there any third person I could contact for assistance? What would be the appropriate way to handle the issue? Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] How could I deal with my ex-employer for not releasing the design work I\'d done?
Yeah, sucks. When it's live, feel free to snag it tho; what are they gonna do sue you? On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:06 AM, Tara Goskie wrote: I have been working for a company creating online software/application for the past years. Recently I got laid off and they disabled my connection to the company's server right away. Since I was a remote employee, I wasn't able to get the design files I'd done for the company. Therefore, I emailed them to ask for a copy for the purpose of creating personal portfolio. They transferred my question among different managers and ended up ignoring my request. I'm really frustrated because I'd been working for this company since I graduated and now I'm losing all the design works I've done, not knowing what I could include in my portfolio in order to move on to the next job. Since I was paid to create the designs, I'm afraid I may not have the rights to request the files. Is there any third person I could contact for assistance? What would be the appropriate way to handle the issue? Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] How could I deal with my ex-employer for not releasing the design work I\'d done?
mark schraad wrote: The ugly reality here is that if you were an employee or a work-for-hire contractor you have no rights to access or show that work. Doesn't it depend on the contract? I've gotten away with using a photographer's contract that allows me to replicate things in my portfolio. And I know that as a client, I've signed off on contracts that let the designers use our deliverables in their portfolios. -- J. Eric jet Townsend -- designer, fabricator, hacker design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] How could I deal with my ex-employer for not releasing the design work I\'d done?
If it was me I would contact a personal friend at the company and ask for a favor. Hopefully you have made a couple of trusted connections with people where you used to work. However, that would be my last resort. You have to understand that management doesn't always see the forest through the trees. You should eloquently exhaust all avenues before you go behind their back. Have you tried HR? You need to explain in your messages that you don't want material that would allow you to replicate, thus allowing you to compete against them. I mean we're talking screen shots here right? I would concur w/ everyone that this may end up being a tough lesson: Always back-up your work locally. And as far as the friend approach, if possible don't correspond via your former employer's email address. If you have to, keep it simple and ask them to call you. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the writer and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of Jake Trimble . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=43876 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] How could I deal with my ex-employer for not releasing the design work I\'d done?
Oh, man. Please don't contact HR. It'll likely result in no work given to you and a resulting rock-solid policy stating that nobody gets copies of work after the fact, ever (with accompanying legal paperwork, signatures, and binding agreements). You're better off going with the trusted friend approach. -Anne On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Jake Trimblejake.trim...@gmail.com wrote: If it was me I would contact a personal friend at the company and ask for a favor. Hopefully you have made a couple of trusted connections with people where you used to work. However, that would be my last resort. You have to understand that management doesn't always see the forest through the trees. You should eloquently exhaust all avenues before you go behind their back. Have you tried HR? You need to explain in your messages that you don't want material that would allow you to replicate, thus allowing you to compete against them. I mean we're talking screen shots here right? I would concur w/ everyone that this may end up being a tough lesson: Always back-up your work locally. And as far as the friend approach, if possible don't correspond via your former employer's email address. If you have to, keep it simple and ask them to call you. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the writer and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of Jake Trimble . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=43876 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help -- Anne Hjortshoj | anne...@gmail.com | www.annehj.com | Skype: anne-hj Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] How could I deal with my ex-employer for not releasing the design work I\'d done?
Since you sound as though you were not a contractor but an employee I would check with a reputable attorney who specializes in this. I am not recommending litigation%u2013they can be invisible and still advise you in your negotiations and you would get better results perhaps. I know you do not have ownership but I believe there is also some protections for your ability to seek new employment which you can not do as easily without samples. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=43876 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] How could I deal with my ex-employer for not releasing the design work I\'d done?
I said HR because of the need to see the employee contract regarding the ownership of work. So Anne is right, DO NOT beg any questions about getting your work back to HR. Just request the employee contract(s) from them...if it comes to that. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=43876 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
