Re: [IxDA Discuss] Retain obvious instructions?

2008-12-01 Thread Dye, Sylvania
Hi Eric,

I would assert that basic link functionality can now be assumed for *most* 
users who have at least rudimentary experience with web pages. I'm talking 
specifically about click the link knowledge. Yes, even 60+ users.

That said, of course there are plenty of things that can and do get in the way 
of that knowledge - mixed affordance, misdirection, and a host of other 
usability problems - but the solution still shouldn't be an instructional line 
about how links work.

What kind of trouble are your 60+ friends having on the web? Trouble with many 
sites on the web is perfectly normal, even for 0-59 users, because lots of web 
sites have bad design in many, many ways (still!). I personally have to doubt 
that their trouble is coming from not knowing what a link is for. Relearning 
how to use the bank website is a common frustration for all of us because banks 
are notorious for horrendous usability. These are symptoms of usability 
problems in design, though, and the design itself should be *fixed;* obvious 
instructional text is just a big, bright pink band-aid soaked in salt.

Most problems we see with links nowadays come not from a lack of basic 
understanding, but from the site not following basic link protocol and sending 
mixed signals. Links of various colours, using the link colour for non-link 
headers, links that aren't actually links but that do something unexpected, 
etc.

Honestly, I don't like making assumptions either, but we have to make a few to 
facilitate cohesive design for the majority of users. Of course, if your design 
is aimed at people whom you *know* really don't understand how links work (and 
good luck getting them to your web site, by the way), I'd *still* not go with 
instructional text, but really gear the whole design a different way. Large, 
easy to understand buttons with lots of click me affordance, less text - not 
more, consistent use of good iconography, etc.

Happy Holidays,
Sylvania

User Experience Designer
Techsmith Corp.



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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Retain obvious instructions?

2008-11-25 Thread Dye, Sylvania
Hi Jon,

In this case, I'd say it doesn't depend. It used to be that we couldn't assume 
users had this basic understanding of how to use Web sites, but these days, 
this sort of helpful text really does nothing but increase visual noise, page 
complexity, and cognitive load by adding elements that the user has to ignore 
to complete their tasks. Links are for clicking, and users know this.

Beyond that, I tend to treat in-place instruction as a last resort, even when 
usability testing shows that users are having problems. The problem with 
in-place instruction is that users read it once (maybe), after which it's just 
persistent visual noise, muddying up the interface. A better solution is to 
make the interface itself communicate it's function so that the instructional 
text isn't needed.

Cheers!
Sylvania

User Experience Designer
TechSmith Corp.


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Subject: [IxDA Discuss] Retain obvious instructions?

I've been working on a redesign of the web-based user interface for a
personal health record platform, and I began to wonder -- do I need to
retain the one-line instruction that seems to be on the top of every major
data listing (medications, lab tests, immunizations, etc.):

  Click any item in the list to see more detail (or something similar
to that effect)

The title of each list item is hyperlinked with underlined, blue text.

I guess the bigger questions are:

Do I assume my users' basic browsing abilities at my own peril?
Does even a basic task of web usage need to be field-tested?

I'm already prepared for the it depends answers! ;)

Thanks,
Jon

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Retain obvious instructions?

2008-11-25 Thread j. eric townsend
For what class of users can we assume that?  I ask because I'm around a 
few 60+ people who have trouble with many sites on the web and the 
feeling they have to re-learn how to use the bank website because it 
changed.


Can you better define the people who are going to be using this?  It 
would seem that if you're working on a product designed for 
professionals in a business setting, I can see where maybe you can make 
more assumptions about skill-sets.  (But don't make too many, my 
dentist's receptionist still uses a paper date book with a pencil... :-)


Dye, Sylvania wrote:


In this case, I'd say it doesn't depend. It used to be that we couldn't assume users had 
this basic understanding of how to use Web sites, but these days, this sort of 
helpful text really does nothing but increase visual noise, page complexity, 
and cognitive load by adding elements that the user has to ignore to complete their 
tasks. Links are for clicking, and users know this.

Beyond that, I tend to treat in-place instruction as a last resort, even when 
usability testing shows that users are having problems. The problem with 
in-place instruction is that users read it once (maybe), after which it's just 
persistent visual noise, muddying up the interface. A better solution is to 
make the interface itself communicate it's function so that the instructional 
text isn't needed.

Cheers!
Sylvania

User Experience Designer
TechSmith Corp.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Abbett
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 4:38 PM
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Subject: [IxDA Discuss] Retain obvious instructions?

I've been working on a redesign of the web-based user interface for a
personal health record platform, and I began to wonder -- do I need to
retain the one-line instruction that seems to be on the top of every major
data listing (medications, lab tests, immunizations, etc.):

  Click any item in the list to see more detail (or something similar
to that effect)

The title of each list item is hyperlinked with underlined, blue text.

I guess the bigger questions are:

Do I assume my users' basic browsing abilities at my own peril?
Does even a basic task of web usage need to be field-tested?

I'm already prepared for the it depends answers! ;)

Thanks,
Jon

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Retain obvious instructions?

2008-11-24 Thread Dante Murphy
It's probably still a good idea to test the behavior (if your budget and
timeline allow).  Even if you assume correctly that most people will
figure it out on their own, the real question is what is the overall
impact of removing the text?

You may be able to display some additional lines, or use a larger font,
or have more whitespace, all of which may lead to increased productivity
or satisfaction.  But you may also experience some delays as the user
switches their mental model from repetitive process to concentration and
reasoning.  This break in flow might outweigh the gains realized.

This would also be a good candidate for longitudinal research, since
the negative impact would lessen over time as existing users acclimate
and new users are trained on the new system.

In the absence of the requisite time and money to do the test, though,
I'd get rid of the extraneous text.  It sounds utterly superfluous to
me.

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Subject: [IxDA Discuss] Retain obvious instructions?

I've been working on a redesign of the web-based user interface for a
personal health record platform, and I began to wonder -- do I need to
retain the one-line instruction that seems to be on the top of every
major
data listing (medications, lab tests, immunizations, etc.):

  Click any item in the list to see more detail (or something
similar
to that effect)

The title of each list item is hyperlinked with underlined, blue text.

I guess the bigger questions are:

Do I assume my users' basic browsing abilities at my own peril?
Does even a basic task of web usage need to be field-tested?

I'm already prepared for the it depends answers! ;)

Thanks,
Jon

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Retain obvious instructions?

2008-11-24 Thread Alinta Thornton
I agree. The benefit of removing the text is creating a simpler page to
read and understand. The downside is that a few users may not know to
click on a link. These days, very few people would not know to click a
link. I think you're on safe ground there if all the instructions are
similarly straightforward. 

Alinta Thornton
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In the absence of the requisite time and money to do the test, though,
I'd get rid of the extraneous text.  It sounds utterly superfluous to
me.

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