[slim] Does or does it not!!!

2008-02-13 Thread Dekker22

Does the slim device support wma format when playing music from windows
media player.

Their website says yes. Yet when I look in the sttings it does not show
wma as being supported. Obviously it does not pick these tracks up from
my media player.

Is this false advertising or have I MISSED SOMETHING?


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Re: [slim] Does or does it not!!!

2008-02-13 Thread Phil Leigh

Dekker22;268789 Wrote: 
 Does the slim device support wma format when playing music from windows
 media player.
 
 Their website says yes. Yet when I look in the sttings it does not show
 wma as being supported. Obviously it does not pick these tracks up from
 my media player.
 
 Is this false advertising or have I MISSED SOMETHING?

WMA is called Windows Media in the Slimserver/SqueezeCenter File
Types settings.

WMA downloaded with embedded DRM are not supported. WMA without DRM are
fully supported AFAIK.

Why did you have to include that false advertising phrase? - it was
unnecessary.


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Re: [slim] Does or does it not!!!

2008-02-13 Thread bpa

 
 You can't feed the SqueezeBox using WMP
 
I think it might work as WMP (since v 10) can also presents itself as a
uPNP server and isn't SC able to browse UPNP servers ?


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Re: [slim] Does or does it not!!!

2008-02-13 Thread Michael Herger
 Does the slim device support wma format when playing music from windows
 media player.

You can't feed the SqueezeBox using WMP. But you can play WMA files on the 
SqueezeBox 2/3/Receiver/Transporter using SqueezeCenter.

 Their website says yes. Yet when I look in the sttings it does not show
 wma as being supported. Obviously it does not pick these tracks up from
 my media player.

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Re: [slim] Duet retail box dimensions

2008-02-13 Thread Khuli

seanadams;268549 Wrote: 
 9.625 W x 8.375 H x 4.5 D

I thought all engineers used metric these days ;)


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Re: [slim] Browse internet music folders

2008-02-13 Thread funkstar

There is no way that I know of to point SS at a FTP or web site wil
music on it directly.

However, have a look at MP3Tunes. They provide a music locker service
that works with SqueezeNetwork and SqueezeCenter and lets you store
your music online. It is accessable anywhere online too.

http://www.slimdevices.com/dev_mp3tunes.html


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Re: [slim] Does or does it not!!!

2008-02-13 Thread Dekker22

Could not find anywhere that would display the version of firmware.

Was wondering why when I refresh the server it does not pick up any of
the songs that are in the wma format.


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Re: [slim] How should I set this up?

2008-02-13 Thread MuckleEck

Dean100;268698 Wrote: 
 . Are homeplugs the device that runs over your electrical wires?

In a word Yes.


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Re: [slim] Does or does it not!!!

2008-02-13 Thread Dekker22

They were ripped from a cd.
Stored in the same dir. as the rest of mu music.


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Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread autopilot

Dekker22;268815 Wrote: 
  the failure to take constructive crticisim without  taking offense is
 pretty off putting for a non-geek end user.

Followed by...

Dekker22;268815 Wrote: 
 
 We are only stating what we find to be wrong with the dumb box.
 

What up with all the trolling and flamebaiting on the forums recently?


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Re: [slim] Duet retail box dimensions

2008-02-13 Thread smc2911

Khuli;268798 Wrote: 
 I thought all engineers used metric these days ;)Only for Mars 
 missions...no wait...


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[slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread Dekker22

It seems most posters on here work for the company and/or have a obvious
vested interest in the slim device.
However, the failure to take constructive crticisim without  taking
offense is pretty off putting for a non-geek end user.

We are only stating what we find to be wrong with the dumb box.

The range for reception states 100 meters. This is stretching the truth
quite a bit. The limit of mine (and I mean line of sight) is no more
than 30 meters. 

After the second day the barely useable GUI went beserk during playing
and started to flash squares lines and dots. It then stopped the music
(which put a downer on an otherwise great afternoon around the pool.

When creating playlists in windows media player slimserver fails to
scan name changes and continues to post untitled playlists even
though they were renamed days ago.

All of my wma tracks and albums are not seen by slimserver. THis is
pretty off putting as it leaves great holes in my pre-edited
playlists.

When it works it's fine. But at present the jury is still out.


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Re: [slim] Does or does it not!!!

2008-02-13 Thread Phil Leigh

Dekker22;268801 Wrote: 
 Could not find anywhere that would display the version of firmware.
 
 Was wondering why when I refresh the server it does not pick up any of
 the songs that are in the wma format.

Did you download these WMA files? (eg from iTunes?)


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Re: [slim] Does or does it not!!!

2008-02-13 Thread Dekker22

No I do not use itunes at all.


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Re: [slim] Does or does it not!!!

2008-02-13 Thread Phil Leigh

OK.
Do you know if these files have DRM in them or not - if they do they
won't play.

If you didn't download them, how did you create them - were they ripped
from CD's?

Are the WMA files in the same directory structure as your non-WMA files
or are they somewhere else?


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Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread MuckleEck

Dekker22;268815 Wrote: 
 It seems most posters on here work for the company and/or have a obvious
 vested interest in the slim device.
 However, the failure to take constructive crticisim without  taking
 offense is pretty off putting for a non-geek end user.

Bearing in mind the size of slim devices I would doubt that even a
small percentage of forum users work for them (I don't)

Dekker22;268815 Wrote: 
 
 We are only stating what we find to be wrong with the dumb box.
 

Dumb?.I think you need to explain this in more detail.

Dekker22;268815 Wrote: 
 
 The range for reception states 100 meters. This is stretching the truth
 quite a bit. The limit of mine (and I mean line of sight) is no more
 than 30 meters. 

All wireless devices have extremely variable reception distances, in an
ideal world with perfect atmospheric conditions you may get 100m, in the
real world with an average router (bearing in mind that the output from
the router determines the distance achevable) 30m sounds low but not
unreasonable

Dekker22;268815 Wrote: 
 After the second day the barely useable GUI went beserk during playing
 and started to flash squares lines and dots. It then stopped the music
 (which put a downer on an otherwise great afternoon around the pool.

Report it to slimdevices, have you been able to recreate this berserk
activity?

Dekker22;268815 Wrote: 
 When creating playlists in windows media player slimserver fails to scan
 name changes and continues to post untitled playlists even though they
 were renamed days ago.

I don't use WMP so can't comment

Dekker22;268815 Wrote: 
 All of my wma tracks and albums are not seen by slimserver. THis is
 pretty off putting as it leaves great holes in my pre-edited
 playlists.
 
 When it works it's fine. But at present the jury is still out.

AFAIK the SB3 and SS/SC will only play non-DRM lossy WMA files.

Are your WMA files either DRMed? or lossless? 

We are here as a community to help.


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Re: [slim] Does or does it not!!!

2008-02-13 Thread Phil Leigh

OK
is there anything different in the naming of the missing files?
did you rip all of your files the same way?


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Re: [slim] Does or does it not!!!

2008-02-13 Thread Dekker22

bpa;268830 Wrote: 
 I'm not sure about current WMP settings but around wmp8  9 when you
 ripped a CD by default it added copy protection.  You had to disable
 this setting. 
 
 Perhaps the problematic tracks are older rips and are protected in this
 way ?

Thanks. Just checked and this was the prob.


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Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread MuckleEck

Dekker22;268832 Wrote: 
 I rest my case.
 
 It is a dumb box.
 It has no dials, no on/off switch, no reset switch. It is controlled
 remotely. It is therefore a dumb box. It may be full of very
 sophisticated electronics. In reality, however, it is classed as a dumb
 box. No offense was meant. Like I said before people are quick on her to
 take offense though. What is with this huge insecurity thing?

I think black is more what you mean here rather than dumb IMHO


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Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread Dekker22

All wireless devices have extremely variable reception distances, in an
ideal world with perfect atmospheric conditions you may get 100m, in
the real world with an average router (bearing in mind that the output
from the router determines the distance achevable) 30m sounds low but
not unreasonable



I have a great double antennae router that my laptop picks up fine at
the pool.
In an ideal world we would expect to live to 100. 30 sounds low but not
unreasonable.
Your figures and that of Logitech are very unreasonable my friend.


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Re: [slim] Does or does it not!!!

2008-02-13 Thread MuckleEck

I have just looked at WMP11 and the rip settings (as I don't use it
normally I assume these are the defaults)

1. It will rip to wma lossless
2. It will not copy protect but the option is there

So unless drfaults have been changed any files ripped by WMP11 will
result in lossless wma files that AFAIK are not readble by SS/SC


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Re: [slim] Does or does it not!!!

2008-02-13 Thread bpa

I'm not sure about current WMP settings but around wmp8  9 when you
ripped a CD by default it added copy protection.  You had to disable
this setting. 

Perhaps the problematic tracks are older rips and are protected in this
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Re: [slim] Does or does it not!!!

2008-02-13 Thread Dekker22

Phil.
Thanks for your efforts.
I do appreciate somone trying to help.
I'm trying to get three kids ready for bed, read stories, brush teeth.
So I have lost my patience with the subject matter.
In this day and age of super CPU speeds and mega RAM capacities do we
still have to flounder around the floor trying to get a basic function
to work?
Move my friend to someone more deserving of your noble service.

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Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread Dekker22

autopilot;268824 Wrote: 
 Followed by...
 
 
 
 What up with all the trolling and flamebaiting on the forums recently?

I rest my case.

It is a dumb box.
It has no dials, no on/off switch, no reset switch. It is controlled
remotely. It is therefore a dumb box. It may be full of very
sophisticated electronics. In reality, however, it is classed as a dumb
box. No offense was meant. Like I said before people are quick on her to
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Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread MuckleEck

Dekker22;268835 Wrote: 
 No Black (although that is the colour)would signfy something underhand
 or sinister.
 I meant what I said - dumb.

balck in the context that I meant is a box that is intelligent but
gives no outer indications (much like the black box flight recorders on
aircraft) 

Dekker22;268835 Wrote: 
 I have a great double antennae router that my laptop picks up fine at
 the pool.
 In an ideal world we would expect to live to 100. 30 sounds low but not
 unreasonable.
 Your figures and that of Logitech are very unreasonable my friend.

Firstly you did not state in your original post that your laptop wored
fine at the pool but the SB did not, secondly most laptops have
significantly larger aerials in them (because of physical size) than
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Re: [slim] Wi-Fi Internet Clock Radio?

2008-02-13 Thread oktup

ModelCitizen;268762 Wrote: 
 
  sander Wrote: 
  fauxnos  
 Can you tell me what this means?
 

A portmanteau of 'faux Sonos', maybe? :)

ModelCitizen;268762 Wrote: 
 
 A google search for fauxnos returns your post even though it's less
 than one hour old. Truly incredible.

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Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread Dekker22

MuckleEck;268837 Wrote: 
 balck in the context that I meant is a box that is intelligent but
 gives no outer indications (much like the black box flight recorders on
 aircraft) 
 
 
 
 Firstly you did not state in your original post that your laptop wored
 fine at the pool but the SB did not, secondly most laptops have
 significantly larger aerials in them (because of physical size) than
 the SB, finally yes I wopuld like to live to 100 :-)

First up laptop antennae are a mere strip of copper wire placed around
the outer edge of the LCD. The SB could hold the same size with ease
(If they decided to spend the money) Why say it will pick a signal from
100 meters, when 30m is more accurate? Misleading indeed.

A simple socket and the provision to buy an add on antennae would solve
the problem.

Let's be honest it's reception is piss poor.


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Re: [slim] SB3 stops randomly

2008-02-13 Thread spooky

slwiser;268634 Wrote: 
 So far since last nights setting the IP as FIXED may have taken care of
 most of my real issues.
 
 I will continue to update this thread if anything more occurs to
 undermine this fix.
 
 Thanks for all your help..
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Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread MuckleEck

Dekker22;268842 Wrote: 
 
 
 Let's be honest it's reception is piss poor.

To be honest I have had no issues with the reception of my 3 SBs in the
house. However I have for a different reason (office in the garden)
installed two 10dB aerials on my wireless router (before splashing out
and putting a duct out to the office), therefore no receptions issues
in the house, so the claim of 100m or otherwise is a non-issue for me


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Re: [slim] Wi-Fi Internet Clock Radio?

2008-02-13 Thread bpa

 
 I had hopes that when Logitech bought Slim they would break out into
 the mainstream,
 
What is the mainstream ? 
I think internet clock radio is a niche market.

The Reciva chipset was around for a long time before it got taken up -
the design decisions limit the user interface on all their devices. 
They have hinted at a new generation.  The alternative firmware group
state they will not do anything with the audio so the mods are
minimal.

The alternatives (Roku SB Radio and Freecom Music Pal) have no
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Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread mflint

Dekker22;268815 Wrote: 
 It seems most posters on here work for the company and/or have a obvious
 vested interest in the slim device.
 However, the failure to take constructive crticisim without  taking
 offense is pretty off putting for a non-geek end user.
Yes, there are a lot of SlimDevices / LogitechSMS employees who post
here (though sometimes I think it could be made more obvious whether a
poster is employed by Logitech)

Me, I guess I'd fall into your vested interest bracket. For me, I'm a
music lover, a programmer and a geek. I've invested a fair bit of time
and energy into writing Squeezebox-related code - for my own use
mainly. The nature of the SlimDevices community is that new
code/features/innovations is shared, in the hope that it'll be useful
to others.

We're a pretty pragmatic bunch, we don't expect everything to be
perfect and (on the whole, I think) we respond well to constructive
criticism.

A good example of this, for me, is the LiveDepartures thread. Some
folks had suggestions, some had usability issues. For others, it didn't
work at all. But they were able to give nice detailed fault reports and
things are quickly fixed. 

Compare that to a lot of threads recently where someone's just said
that something is sh*t. Given the amount of effort that SlimDevices
(and us third-party development folk) put into the product, you
shouldn't be surprised if someone takes offense. :-)

Matthew


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Re: [slim] Wi-Fi Internet Clock Radio?

2008-02-13 Thread Khuli

ModelCitizen;268762 Wrote: 
 A google search for fauxnos returns your post even though it's less
 than one hour old. Truly incredible.

and another Googlewhack destroyed  Google finds 3 links.. and 2
(possibly 3 now) are these posts!


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Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread slimpy

Dekker22;268815 Wrote: 
 It seems most posters on here work for the company and/or have a obvious
 vested interest in the slim device.
 However, the failure to take constructive crticisim without  taking
 offense is pretty off putting for a non-geek end user.
 
 We are only stating what we find to be wrong with the dumb box.
 
Most posters here neither work for the company nor have any vested
interest. 
Most are just passionate users of what they think is a great product. 
Some spend a fair amount of their spare time to help people like you. 
If they were not biased towards the product what would be their reason
to participate in this forum?
If you seek help it doesn't really help to put off the regulars here.
Maybe the official support hotline is better suited for your needs.
Ranting about something is not constructive criticism.
Dekker22;268815 Wrote: 
 The range for reception states 100 meters. This is stretching the truth
 quite a bit. The limit of mine (and I mean line of sight) is no more
 than 30 meters. 
 
Where does it say range was 100m? I couldn't find this information
anywhere. Maybe you can post a link.
There are so many factors that affect wireless range it's impossible to
give a definitive number. The same hardware that has a great range in
one location can perform very poorly in another.
Dekker22;268815 Wrote: 
 
 After the second day the barely useable GUI went beserk during playing
 and started to flash squares lines and dots. It then stopped the music
 (which put a downer on an otherwise great afternoon around the pool.
More information is needed.
What GUI (web GUI, SB screen)?
Can you reproduce the problem (if yes, how)?
Server and firmware version?
Server hardware?
Server OS?
Server software configuration (firewall, antivirus)?
Dekker22;268815 Wrote: 
 When creating playlists in windows media player slimserver fails to scan
 name changes and continues to post untitled playlists even though they
 were renamed days ago.
Did you rescan the playlists in Slimserver after making the changes in
WMP?
Dekker22;268815 Wrote: 
 All of my wma tracks and albums are not seen by slimserver. THis is
 pretty off putting as it leaves great holes in my pre-edited playlists.
According to your other thread this problem was solved and it seems
wasn't related to the squeezebox after all.

-s.


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Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread Phil Leigh

Well said Matthew.

Oh and I don't work for or have any affiliation with Slim/Logitech
other than being a very happy user (who didn't get a Jive
prototype...grumble, moan, whinge).

I try and help others whenever I can, as I know just how great the
thing can be when all is working as it should.
I'd love to write some code too but that's a bit beyond me to be
honest.

I come on here when I get stuck or have a problem and usually get
first-class advice and friendly help.

The SB has been a revelation for me - it's the only appliance I've ever
owned that has truly grown functionality over time (except for my PC of
course). Call me a fan boy if you like, but I'm not. I'm just a
delighted user. I wish I could say that about all the things I use...


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Re: [slim] Browse internet music folders

2008-02-13 Thread danco

You could browse them in a web browser, play them on your computer, and
use a program that broadcasts computer sound.

Details depend on your OS.


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Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread autopilot

Dekker22;268832 Wrote: 
 I rest my case.
 
 It is a dumb box.
 It has no dials, no on/off switch, no reset switch. It is controlled
 remotely. It is therefore a dumb box. It may be full of very
 sophisticated electronics. In reality, however, it is classed as a dumb
 box. No offense was meant. Like I said before people are quick on her to
 take offense though. What is with this huge insecurity thing?

Do you think i was born yesterday? No one uses dumb in that sense
anyway now, it's thin client.

Anyway, hope you get it sorted...


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*REMOTE:* T-MOBILE MDA VARIO / HARMONY 525 (IR) / *BETA TESTING SB DUET
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Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread Phil Leigh

The only mention of 100m I can find is the max length of the Ethernet
cable!


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Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread amcluesent

t then stopped the music (which put a downer on an otherwise great
afternoon around the pool.

Another party/squeezebox situation ends badly :)


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Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread Peter
Dekker22 wrote:
 It seems most posters on here work for the company and/or have a obvious
 vested interest in the slim device.
 However, the failure to take constructive crticisim without  taking
 offense is pretty off putting for a non-geek end user.
   

Another vote for censoring the trolls.

Regards,
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Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread tyler_durden

I think you need to slap your forehead with the heel of your hand and
using your best Homer Simpson voice, let out a big Doh!

The Slimdevices products are not yet Homer Simpson proof.  Even though
they look really simple because they don't have any buttons to push or
knobs to turn, they are still sophisticated devices with many possible
options and settings.  Yes, a little thing like DRM buried in a file
format can keep the device from playing a file.

Maybe some sort of error message that says the file is unplayable or
is crippled with DRM can be added.  Hmmm.  Where would you read the
message?  Maybe on the SB3 display...  Should it stop displaying the
music that is now playing to display the error message?  What about
the SBR?  The web interface maybe... but who runs that all the time?  
OOh oooh!  I know! Put a canned audio message into the library that
says Bill Gates doesn't want you to play this file without paying
him.  But maybe that would be sort of sucky if you just want to hear
music.  Hmmm.  Maybe the best thing is to just skip over unplayable
files.  Wait, isn't that what it already does?

TD


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Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread Phil Leigh

amcluesent;268861 Wrote: 
 t then stopped the music (which put a downer on an otherwise great
 afternoon around the pool.
 
 Another party/squeezebox situation ends badly :)

Yeah I guess there's a moral here somewhere...

I think the designated driver idea is a good one - if you are going
to have an SB-dependant party and you are a new user, make sure you
ahve a sober geek monitoring your SB, Server and network at all times.

(still beats the hell out of having some drunken buffoon bend your
$1,000 stylus...)


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Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread gw43

MuckleEck;268828 Wrote: 
 
 
 AFAIK the SB3 and SS/SC will only play non-DRM lossy WMA files.
 
 Are your WMA files either DRMed? or lossless? 
 
 We are here as a community to help.

I can confirm that the SB3 will play WMA lossless files.  Well, mine
does anyway!


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Re: [slim] Browse internet music folders

2008-02-13 Thread venus light

Thanks for the replies.  Unfortunately, neither of those options are
really what I am looking for.

I know that if I download the m3u files from this site and place them
in my playlists folder, when I play the playlist, it streams from the
site.  It's a functional solution, but I was hoping there might be a
little more user friendly way to do it.  Ideally, I would like to be
able to set it up similar to how the live music archive is set up with
regards my SB.


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Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread cparker

100m for wireless, I doubt it.  30m sounds about right otherwise you are
going to be needing a broadcast license LOL! ;)

The web interface will tell you the strength of the signal and I think
the intelligent black box can as well.

I use a N class Netgear and the player is about 15m away on the
otherside of a 30cm thick flint wall, on top of the fridge with the
freezer in the way and still hits about 44% signal strength.  

Works fine with no problems, so I completely disagree with your
comments about the quality of the antenna.


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Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread radish

cparker;268868 Wrote: 
 
 Works fine with no problems, so I completely disagree with your
 comments about the quality of the antenna.

Agreed. My master bedroom is the furthest point away from the router in
my house and the SB2 is the only device which works reliably in there -
laptops, iphone etc all drop out frequently.


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Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread MuckleEck

gw43;268866 Wrote: 
 I can confirm that the SB3 will play WMA lossless files.  Well, mine
 does anyway!

I stand/sit/lie down (delete as appropriate) corrected.


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Re: [slim] Does or does it not!!!

2008-02-13 Thread radish

MuckleEck;268831 Wrote: 
 So unless drfaults have been changed any files ripped by WMP11 will
 result in lossless wma files that AFAIK are not readble by SS/SC

WMA lossless is supported as a transcoded format, but not native. It
should work out of the box on Windows, I think you need a decoder on
other platforms (but I'm not 100% sure on that).


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Re: [slim] Problem With SB3 Responding To Remote

2008-02-13 Thread Mark Lanctot

See http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?DiagnosingPerformanceIssues

Usually when this happens it means the server can't get data to the
player.  That's most often due to network bandwidth issues (probably
not so in your case) or a congested server (more likely).

The wiki article should indicate where the problem lies.


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Re: [slim] Music on 2 different Harddisks

2008-02-13 Thread stevek1006

stevek1006;268887 Wrote: 
 This works fine for me in SC 7.0. If this is a Windows machine then you
 need colons after the drive letter (e.g., E:\music).

I should have added, that if they are networked drives not attached to
the computer running SC, then they should be referred to as
\\networked_computer\shared_folder (e.g., \\fileserver\music2). Again
this is assuming Windows. You can see the way windows wants to the
folder by looking in My Network Places. If it is not listed, then the
folder is not being shared.


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Re: [slim] Announcing the Squeezebox Duet

2008-02-13 Thread rene50

Hello

I have lots of cd's and music on my computer(imac or pc)

what I want is the possibility to play the music which is on my
harddrive through external speakers which are connented to the
computer.

i think things as the squeezebox duet are suitable for this .
when the music is on my hard drive how can i listen to it through a
device like the duet?

how does the duet connect to the computer.

i do not really understand it,the speakers are they connected to the
computer or to the duet.

i also heard of other solutions like the conceptronic e.g

so I WANT TO BE ABLE to play the music which is now at my harddrive
with a remote all the albums nicely archived alfabatically.

What are my possibilities?

i heard of the transporter but thats for me overdone as i have very
good hifi.

i need it more for ease of use,to check music files which are on my
hard drive.

i hope you understand me.


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Re: [slim] Browse internet music folders

2008-02-13 Thread radish

venus light;268897 Wrote: 
 So I could set up a RSS feed with all of the m3u files?

That you'd have to try, no idea if it would work. But you could
certainly have an RSS which lists all the mp3s directly and they should
play - that's all a podcast is. 

Another option would be to run a upnp server on the box in question and
then use the built in upnp browser in SC/SS to play from it. That
depends of course on whether you can install the server but there are
some pretty light weight ones, looks like even some in perl and other
scripting languages which should run on pretty much anything.


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Re: [slim] Browse internet music folders

2008-02-13 Thread venus light

Michael Herger;268891 Wrote: 
  I know that if I download the m3u files from this site and place them
  in my playlists folder, when I play the playlist, it streams from
 the
  site.
 
 It then should probably work with SC as well. Why don't you just try
 it?
 
 -- 
 
 Michael

It will work - I just would like to be able to browse all of the m3u's
without having to download them all and have my playlist folder be so
overloaded.

radish;268882 Wrote: 
 If you have control over this site and can add some RSS feeds you could
 use the podcast plugin.

So I could set up a RSS feed with all of the m3u files?


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Re: [slim] Universal Remote Control

2008-02-13 Thread broth420

So, has anyone used the Philips TSU9600i or TSU9400i remotes?  Do they
have a browser?  Anyone have suggestions?  I wouldn't even be opposed
to building my own remote on a tablet with IR using third party
software.  But frankly, my harmony works ok, but to integrate in the
nokia770 skin or handheld skin would be sweet.


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Re: [slim] Music on 2 different Harddisks

2008-02-13 Thread stevek1006

Nullerbasse;268769 Wrote: 
 Well, I'm running Slim Center 7.0 - 12.02.2008
 
 I have my music folder: ( in this case: E\music )
 
 Inside this folder i have a shortcut: ( c\Music2 )
 
 Everything is according to the way Slim devices wrote in the short
 manual that came with the Squeezebox3.
 
 Both drives is shared on the network.
 
 
 N.

This works fine for me in SC 7.0. If this is a Windows machine then you
need colons after the drive letter (e.g., E:\music).


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Re: [slim] Browse internet music folders

2008-02-13 Thread Michael Herger
 I know that if I download the m3u files from this site and place them
 in my playlists folder, when I play the playlist, it streams from the
 site.

It then should probably work with SC as well. Why don't you just try it?

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Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread Shredder

I don't think there is anything wrong with this post.

I love the SD products and recommend them to everyone I know. I am a
huge music fan and SD has greatly increased my enjoyment of my music. 

However, the Software has a lot of problems. That cannot be disputed;
just read all the posts. Ultimately, SD and this forum provide great
support and the problems are solved. A lot of time and aggravation must
be invested into making these products work, especially if you are not
computer savvy (like me). In the long run, however, the vast
functionality makes the hassles worthwhile. At least, for me.

I disagree that most posters are LT employees. I am not and do not
think the vast majority are. 

I do, however, agree that people are too defensive about criticism,
especially the LT employees, including Sean himself. At first, I liked
that the employees got involved in posting. Now, I tire of the
employees  getting in flame wars with people.  This is a very difficult
and time consuming product to get to work properly. It is no wonder that
people get upset when their very exciting and expensive product does not
work and hours must be invested fixing the problems.

Just my opinion. I am no troll.


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Re: [slim] Announcing the Squeezebox Duet

2008-02-13 Thread rene50

ok thank you for your remarks.

I wonder whats the difference between the one you have and the duet,
the transporter is out of my budget.

The way you explain it ,than i could just connect my speakers
(monitors)
to the computer and then use the software you mention.

the set speakers i have are monitored ones,
a subwoover and 2 satellites,so when i connect that set to my pc or mac
I can use the software and enjoy the quality of the speakers,
Than there is no need to buy a squeezebox

Am I RIGHT or do I miss something.


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Re: [slim] Browse internet music folders

2008-02-13 Thread venus light

radish;268902 Wrote: 
 That you'd have to try, no idea if it would work. But you could
 certainly have an RSS which lists all the mp3s directly and they should
 play - that's all a podcast is. 
 
 Another option would be to run a upnp server on the box in question and
 then use the built in upnp browser in SC/SS to play from it. That
 depends of course on whether you can install the server but there are
 some pretty light weight ones, looks like even some in perl and other
 scripting languages which should run on pretty much anything.

Well, there are 100s of folders on this site with 15+ songs in each. 
So the ideal solution would be one where I could browse the folders (or
playlists) and be able to pick which one to listen to.  It seems like
setting up a podcast might be the most desirable solution.


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Re: [slim] Announcing the Squeezebox Duet

2008-02-13 Thread Secret Squirrel

rene50;268916 Wrote: 
 ok thank you for your remarks.
 
 I wonder whats the difference between the one you have and the duet,
 the transporter is out of my budget.
 
 The way you explain it ,than i could just connect my speakers
 (monitors)
 to the computer and then use the software you mention.
 
 the set speakers i have are monitored ones,
 a subwoover and 2 satellites,so when i connect that set to my pc or mac
 I can use the software and enjoy the quality of the speakers,
 Than there is no need to buy a squeezebox
 
 Am I RIGHT or do I miss something.

I'm afraid you missed something. You connect the SqueezeBox/Duet to you
Amp/Receiver.

There are many places that compare the products, but since I'm supposed
to be working I'm going to let you search for them. I agree that the
Transporter is a bit pricey, especially for my mature ears, but it
does have the best performance. Me, I just want a system to handle my
music and feed my audio system. I just put it on random and let it play
away. It's like listening to a radio station (which you can also do) of
music that I picked.

I love it! Many have the same results! I hope you do too!

HTH,

SS


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Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread Peter
Shredder wrote:
 I don't think there is anything wrong with this post.
   

I do and I'm not an employee. Just a reader who gets tired of 
inflammatory startposts.

Regards,
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Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread mikeswingler

As another non-geek (and UK based), I have found getting to grips with
the SB since I got mine in Jan08 very slow and time consuming. You seem
to need to be very computer literate and have a lot of spare time. But
the Sonos alternative is a lot more expensive. One of my frustrations
is the bias towards the US built into the product. All the pre-loaded
radio stations are US, Pandora and Rhapsody are US only. Logitech is an
international company, the product is sold at retail outlets in the UK
and yet you can only get Lastfm by a work around plugin, and there are
no plans to integrate Napster, which currently is the only subscription
service available in the UK. Having said that, I think the forum
community is great, I think I would still be looking at a dumb black
box without it.
Mike


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Re: [slim] Music on 2 different Harddisks

2008-02-13 Thread bobkoure

If the PC that has the actual music files is running some flavor of
windows NT (2000, 2003, XP) there are hidden autoshares
If you have music on machine foo in directory c:\music, you can refer
to it as \\foo\c$\music.

SqueezeCenter still needs to have permissions to read that directory.
You can either setup c:\music on foo so that the group guests has read
permission, or, if you are running SC as, say, user sc, then there
also needs to be a user sc on foo - and the passwords need to be the
same in both places.

As mentioned before, if running as a service, you cannot run as the
local system account (the one you get if you click run as service
without entering a username and password) - that account isn't
permitted to use network resources.
To see what SC is running as, go to the services manager, go down to
Squeeze Center and click the login tab. You can change it right
there, too...

If you are not running windows on the machine that holds your music,
please mention it as there are potential samba issues (and likely OS/X
ones, too).


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Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread MuckleEck

haunyack;268939 Wrote: 
 Thanks Phil.
 It's usually where I end up when the medication wears off.
 
 .

I knew I was doing something wrongmedication


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Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread haunyack

Phil Leigh;268934 Wrote: 
 Can we leave the Audiophile forum out of this - it is a special case for
 people like me who really should be in therapy...

Thanks Phil.
It's usually where I end up when the medication wears off.

.


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Re: [slim] Announcing the Squeezebox Duet

2008-02-13 Thread Secret Squirrel

rene50;268899 Wrote: 
 Hello
 
 I have lots of cd's and music on my computer(imac or pc)
 
 what I want is the possibility to play the music which is on my
 harddrive through external speakers which are connented to the
 computer.
 
 i think things as the squeezebox duet are suitable for this .
 when the music is on my hard drive how can i listen to it through a
 device like the duet?
 
 how does the duet connect to the computer.
 
 i do not really understand it,the speakers are they connected to the
 computer or to the duet.
 
 i also heard of other solutions like the conceptronic e.g
 
 so I WANT TO BE ABLE to play the music which is now at my harddrive
 with a remote all the albums nicely archived alfabatically.
 
 What are my possibilities?
 
 i heard of the transporter but thats for me overdone as i have very
 good hifi.
 
 i need it more for ease of use,to check music files which are on my
 hard drive.
 
 i hope you understand me.

Rene,

I think you've found the right product...at least IMHO. Where to
start...hmm. First, if you just want to play music on your computer you
can download Slimserver/SqueezeCenter from slimdevices.com, load the
software, scan the music on your computer, load SoftSqueeze from the
Help tab, and play away with you music. SLimServer/SqueezeCenter can
slice and dice your music many more ways than just alphabetically
(like by genre, artist, etc.) However, should you want to hook your
music up to that excellent stereo of yours then you should buy the
product. Then you hook the device to your network and stereo and pesto
the music is coming out of that stereo. BTW, the Transportor might be
for you because it has absolutely the best sound of all of Slim Devices
as I understand (Me, I just have a Squeezebox 2 and LOVE it). Though the
new duet looks awfully tempting.

I hope that makes some sense!

SS


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Re: [slim] Problem With SB3 Responding To Remote

2008-02-13 Thread bobkoure

I had this same problem - and a squeezebox of approximately the same
vintage (got it about two months ago, now).
You could try resetting your squeezebox's settings back to default.
Unplug the sb
wait 3 seconds or more
plug the sb back in -while holding the [+] key down on the remote-

Sadly, this didn't work for me, but it was the first thing tech support
suggested and it might work for you.

Failing that, contact tech support, see what else they suggest, and get
the unit replaced if none of those things work.


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Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread bpa

WMA lossless is not supported natively by SB3 - it is transcoded by the
Slimserver.  This happens transparently in a Windows based server but
on Linux or OSX you will have to install 3rd party application.

See
http://slimdevices.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/slimdevices.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=6028p_created=1168560317p_sid=_j3U_cYip_accessibility=0p_redirect=p_lva=p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9OCw4JnBfcHJvZHM9MCZwX2NhdHM9JnBfcHY9JnBfY3Y9JnBfcGFnZT0xJnBfc2VhcmNoX3RleHQ9bG9zc2xlc3M*p_li=p_topview=1


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Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread m1abrams

Shredder;268915 Wrote: 
 
 I do, however, agree that people are too defensive about criticism,
 especially the LT employees, including Sean himself. At first, I liked
 that the employees got involved in posting. Now, I tire of the
 employees  getting in flame wars with people.  This is a very difficult
 and time consuming product to get to work properly. It is no wonder that
 people get upset when their very exciting and expensive product does not
 work and hours must be invested fixing the problems.
 
 Just my opinion. I am no troll.

The OP started this thread off extremely poorly.  I am a geek but not
related to SlimDevices.  Many posts lately by non-geeks have been very
poorly written and close to trolling.  The majority users of this forum
by far are very level headed and handle criticism very well.  However
this post and many like it was not started with criticism but with a
flammatory sentence.  Criticism is not calling something crap, but
instead pointing out where its weakness and problems.  Just saying
something is bad without explaining how is not helpful.  Yes the
software needs to be a little more idiot proof, however if you notice
one of the biggest difference between 6.5 and 7 is the UI and setup
wizard attempting to make it more user friendly.  However at the end of
the day the nature of the beast is not simple particularly if you
involve wireless.

Also I would like to see an example of Sean's posts that are defensive.
He actually takes the punches very well and even takes them to heart in
the design of the products.  The transporter today would not be the high
level device it is today if he did not.  If however you are referring to
posts made on the Audiophile forum, well some of those posts get a bit
whacky in the snake oil and sometimes you just have to call people on
it.


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Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread Phil Leigh

m1abrams;268932 Wrote: 
 The OP started this thread off extremely poorly.  I am a geek but not
 related to SlimDevices.  Many posts lately by non-geeks have been very
 poorly written and close to trolling.  The majority users of this forum
 by far are very level headed and handle criticism very well.  However
 this post and many like it was not started with criticism but with a
 flammatory sentence.  Criticism is not calling something crap, but
 instead pointing out where its weakness and problems.  Just saying
 something is bad without explaining how is not helpful.  Yes the
 software needs to be a little more idiot proof, however if you notice
 one of the biggest difference between 6.5 and 7 is the UI and setup
 wizard attempting to make it more user friendly.  However at the end of
 the day the nature of the beast is not simple particularly if you
 involve wireless.
 
 Also I would like to see an example of Sean's posts that are defensive.
 He actually takes the punches very well and even takes them to heart in
 the design of the products.  The transporter today would not be the high
 level device it is today if he did not.  If however you are referring to
 posts made on the Audiophile forum, well some of those posts get a bit
 whacky in the snake oil and sometimes you just have to call people on
 it.

Can we leave the Audiophile forum out of this - it is a special case
for people like me who really should be in therapy...


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Re: [slim] Music on 2 different Harddisks

2008-02-13 Thread Phil Leigh

bobkoure;268923 Wrote: 
 If the PC that has the actual music files is running some flavor of
 windows NT (2000, 2003, XP) there are hidden autoshares
 If you have music on machine foo in directory c:\music, you can refer
 to it as \\foo\c$\music.
 
 SqueezeCenter still needs to have permissions to read that directory.
 You can either setup c:\music on foo so that the group guests has read
 permission, or, if you are running SC as, say, user sc, then there
 also needs to be a user sc on foo - and the passwords need to be the
 same in both places.
 
 As mentioned before, if running as a service, you cannot run as the
 local system account (the one you get if you click run as service
 without entering a username and password) - that account isn't
 permitted to use network resources.
 To see what SC is running as, go to the services manager, go down to
 Squeeze Center and click the login tab. You can change it right
 there, too...
 
 If you are not running windows on the machine that holds your music,
 please mention it as there are potential samba issues (and likely OS/X
 ones, too).

The OP's problem is accessing a second drive (e:\) on his one
computer...there's no network involved AFAIk and no need to worry about
shares etc.

Shortcuts should fix his problem.


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Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread m1abrams

Oh response to the Wifi range of 100m.  As others stated no one has seen
that stated by Slimdevices.

Also 30m range for wifi indoors is about what one would expect.  To get
100m you need good conditions and line of sight for the most part.  Your
laptop will get better range because it requires less throughput.  Email
and web surfing require very little throughput and can handle
retransmits much better than streaming music.  SB can handle a good bit
of retransmits but eventually the buffer will expire.  If you are
streaming lossless the issue is even greater.


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Re: [slim] Announcing the Squeezebox Duet

2008-02-13 Thread djfake

mvalera;268629 Wrote: 
 Robin's developing a plug-in to solve that. The SB Receiver will get an
 IP address thru DHCP automatically on the Ethernet port (didn't know
 that till today) so his plug-in will be able to find and configure the
 receivers without too much trouble. The hard part for Robin is in
 environments where DHCP isn't used.


Robin  - Will this plugin will be part of the Slimserver software? Or
firmware on the SBR?

Mike - when Robin does get this plugin written, I hope Logitech does
something very nice for him. I'll buy one, that's for sure. 

Also, why doesn't the old remove with the Squeezebox not work with the
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Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread seanadams

Dekker22;268815 Wrote: 
 
 The range for reception states 100 meters. This is stretching the truth
 quite a bit. The limit of mine (and I mean line of sight) is no more
 than 30 meters.

Where do you see that? _Ethernet_ is good to 100 meters. 

Wireless - who knows. It all depends on your access point and the
environment. If you are getting 30 meters (98 feet) indoors, that is
not too shabby.


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Re: [slim] Can we avoid inflamatory titles?

2008-02-13 Thread snarlydwarf

haunyack;268726 Wrote: 
 Who said anything about productive?
 Start another thread if you wish to discuss production.

Oh, sorry, I forgot that you own this thread and have the right to tell
others what to post where.

At risk of violating the board rules, I will say something I would not
normally say... Since it is Truth, it should be very much acceptable,
and since you are so avid about using other people's resources for your
own Free Speech rights:

You are an arrogant, hypocritical ass.

You post deliberately nasty statements, deliberately offending the very
people that may be able to help you, and then being coy about it and
dismissing the reality that when people think you are an offensive ass,
they won't help you.

I sure won't.

 
 This thread is ostensibly concerned with the affects of free speech
 on individuals and the greater good of this forum, and Pat originally
 started this discussion with concerns over thread titles.

Bullpuckey.  It is about how being offensive only hurts you in the end.
This board is not paid for by US Taxpayers: it is private property.  
There is no right to Free Speech here, nor should there be.

Unless you believe that I have free speech rights to have a protest in
your living room.


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Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread kdf

On 13-Feb-08, at 8:38 AM, ds2021 wrote:


 autopilot;268824 Wrote:
 Followed by...
 What up with all the trolling and flamebaiting on the forums  
 recently?

 There may be a lesson about the mass market here.

I knew someone would eventually get there.
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Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread ds2021

autopilot;268824 Wrote: 
 Followed by...
 What up with all the trolling and flamebaiting on the forums recently?

There may be a lesson about the mass market here.


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Re: [slim] Announcing the Squeezebox Duet

2008-02-13 Thread mflint

djfake;268947 Wrote: 
 Also, why doesn't the old remote for the Squeezebox not work with the
 SBR?
The SBR has no infra-red detector. And even if it did have one, there's
no screen to get any visual feedback from your IR remote's commands.


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Re: [slim] Can we avoid inflamatory titles?

2008-02-13 Thread Mark Lanctot

Whatever happened to being polite?

If you were invited in to someone's home, would you tell them your
curtains suck or the renovations you're undertaking are a poorly
implemented pipe dream?

No.  That would be rude.

Then why is it acceptable here?

Constructive criticism is fine and, in fact, very helpful.  Have you
considered xx colour drapes here? or why don't you try this in your
renovation?

This is the home of Logitech SMS, formerly Slim Devices.  Isn't it
bad form to insult the product on the very forums hosted for free by
the company?  Sure seems that way to me, but I guess I'm alone on this
one.  Perhaps my parents raised me to be more polite than most.

It's even more important to be polite here because you're posting to
the very people who can help you, and these people are on a totally
voluntary basis - they are under no obligation to help you, you should
convince them to help you by simple courtesy.

In such situations, I've often thought of a boilerplate response:

 Dear user: thank you for posting on this forum.
 
 I have an idea regarding the solution to your problem, but given your
 attitude I'm not sure it would satisfy you.  Therefore I'll let you
 vent, and when you are ready to carry out some troubleshooting to solve
 your problem, I may contribute further.
 
 Or I might not if you insist on insulting me by insulting a product I
 like very much.
 
 It's up to you.

I'm sure that would go over like a lead baloon and antagonize the
poster further, but at present I just don't contribute at all to such
threads and I bet there are others like me.  Perhaps if the OP knew
they weren't getting any help because of how they're treating the
volunteers here they might change their attitude.

I do see this a whole lot more in society in general - yelling or
complaining to grocery clerks, for example, who can't change anything. 
It's quite sad.


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Re: [slim] Can we avoid inflamatory titles?

2008-02-13 Thread MuckleEck

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Re: [slim] Announcing the Squeezebox Duet

2008-02-13 Thread mvalera

djfake;268947 Wrote: 
 
 Mike - when Robin does get this plugin written, I hope Logitech does
 something very nice for him. I'll buy one, that's for sure. 
 
 Also, why doesn't the old remote for the Squeezebox not work with the
 SBR?

We're very familiar with Robin. He's one of our best community guys.

The reason the old remote won't work is there is no IR receiver on the
SB Receiver. To control it you will need to interface with
SqueezeCenter directly, with a laptop, an iPhone, or the like.

Mike


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Re: [slim] Can we avoid inflamatory titles?

2008-02-13 Thread slimpy

Thanks Mark, my sentiments exactly.

-s.


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Re: [slim] Can we avoid inflamatory titles?

2008-02-13 Thread jonheal

Mark Lanctot;268957 Wrote: 
 Whatever happened to being polite?
Because some folks feel they're above it, and there's probably not a
whole lot that can be done about it. There will always be kind,
thoughtful types. And there will always be ... other types.


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Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread CatBus

Dekker22;268842 Wrote: 
 Let's be honest it's reception is piss poor.

I can tell you definitively that MY SB3's reception is very good at the
distances you're talking about.  So logically, you must conclude:

1) One of us is lying
2) Something's different about one of our SB3s
3) Something's different about one of our networks.

Considering that I'm not an SD employee, nor do I have any interest in
promoting their products, that SB3s are pretty darn uniform
out-of-the-box, and wireless networks are notoriously flaky, I know
which one my money is on.

Seriously, let us (or SlimDevices) troubleshoot your wireless network. 
Once it's fixed, your dumb box will become smarter.


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Re: [slim] Announcing the Squeezebox Duet

2008-02-13 Thread rene50

ok I connect the sqeezebox or the duet to a receiver/amplifier ,is it
also ok to connect it to a monitored system as the sub has allkind of
connections.

But what i do not understand is how it plays the mp3 on my hard drive
or does that work through the wireless router etc.

So it connects with my hard drive wireless no cable or what so ever
between the duet and my computer?



Is there a real difference between the duet and squeezebox 2?

In themanual of my focal icub sub there is a way to connect it to a
Wi-Fi receiver
which is i think what the duet is too.

it connects to a optical cable.

May be you better react after your working hours!!!



macworld.com/article/46146/2005/07/icub.html

if you look here they even talk about the squeezebox,the focal icub
thats what I have.
I appreciate a lot that you answer me ,i am mature too 58 years.

Hope to hear from you after working hours.

my msn is  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

thanks in advance

have a nice working day ,its here 19.30 in the evening.
here is the netherlands


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Re: [slim] Can we avoid inflamatory titles?

2008-02-13 Thread Mark Lanctot

Thanks for the comments everyone.

jonheal;268976 Wrote: 
 Because some folks feel they're above it, and there's probably not a
 whole lot that can be done about it. There will always be kind,
 thoughtful types. And there will always be ... other types.

Hopefully it will become evident that the other types aren't getting
the results they had hoped?

I would think that would be true of life in general, these people will
only get help if someone is forced to help them - that given  the
choice, people won't help rude or ignorant people.  I certainly
wouldn't.

Siduhe;268982 Wrote: 
 Mark, I believe I must have been 'channelling'
 (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=268400highlight=paraphrasing#post268400)
 you/one of your posts yesterday...

I did see that post and commented on it.  I wasn't specifically
thinking about it but it must have stuck in my mind!

 I was thinking we might do something more along the lines of the
 Sean-Adams-Response-O-Matic..

Oh that's a good one!

 Dear user: thank you for posting on the forum.
 
 I have an idea that may help you, but I won't post it because:
 
 [ ] it's been answered 5 times today already
 [ ] you are just venting and don't actually want help
 [ ] you are insulting and I would rather not help you
 [ ] you have behaved poorly with crude language
 [ ] you have been rude with someone who was just trying to help you
 [ ] you think you know all the answers already and that everyone else
 has it wrong
 [ ] you are unwilling to provide any information to help us help you
 [ ] you are unwilling to go to any effort to help yourself and would
 rather have everything done for you
 [ ] you just don't get it despite several careful explanations
 [ ] you are not reading the responses to your problem carefully enough
 [ ] you are refusing to carry out troubleshooting actions others have
 requested
 [ ] you would rather just fight
 [ ] you will not accept that this is just the way the software works
 and insist it should be changed immediately to suit you
 [ ] you continue to exhibit a victim mentality


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Re: [slim] Announcing the Squeezebox Duet

2008-02-13 Thread Peter

Rene50, I get the impression you just want to play music on your
PC and connect your speakers to the PC. That may work very well if you 
have a good soundcard. You only need to download the free squeezecenter 
software and the freen sofsqueeze software to do that. It seems you may 
not have much use for the SB Receiver (wich is part of the
duet package). The SB Controller (the other half of the duet package) 
may be very useful even if you play music directly from your PC. It 
allows you to select music and control playback from anywhere in your 
house. The Controller is not yet available seperately, but it will be in 
the future.

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Re: [slim] Announcing the Squeezebox Duet

2008-02-13 Thread Peter
djfake wrote:
 Yeah, cough is right. Why can't you configure it via wired ethernet?
 Most every network device embeds something to do this - I have a NAS
 device that does this.  

 Okay, Logitech's first priority was to sell the duet combo. But if
 Logitech wanted, they could have created the SBR to configure itself
 via wired ethernet. So a conscious decision was made by someone to
 create the SBR to require the SBC for configuration. 
   
That's a matter of priorities. They'll first sell the combo, which 
doesn't require a wired setup feature.

 I don't want to start a flame war and certainly don't mean this as
 troll, but why do I get the feeling this list is apologetic to
 Logitech? Is the community getting paid to develop the product? Or is
 Logitech using the community to develop a commercial product? I'm all
 confused...
   

Because SD/Logitech SMS actually respond to their users. Those of us 
who've been
around here for a long time like me, have seen this in progress. People 
asked for a cheaper displayless SB and they got it. They asked for a 
Sonos type remote and they got it. I reported a bug on the Controller 
interface yesterday, it was fixed today. I know of no software or 
hardware company that is so responsive to its users. I appreciate that 
and I really hate seeing idiots who just entered this forum and start 
kicking around - usually because they have some problem with their 
wireless network that's got nothing to do with their musicplayers or 
they don't understand the principles behind the design - and accusing 
the products of being shit, the people who make them of being stupid and 
the people who appreciate both of being apologetic fanboys.

Regards,
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[slim] Surprise!

2008-02-13 Thread Honva

I bought the SB3 about 4 weeks ago.  Spent some time to configure
everythingfinding the perfect spot, connect to hi-fi, hiding wires,
set-up server, config library, wake-on-lan, harmony remote, favourites,
plug-ins, etc...

After 3 weeks, everything is finally set-up perfectly.  I had then
showed my wife once (in about 60 seconds) how to use the thing with the
harmony remote.  Realising that she is techno-phobia, I have little
hope that she will be able to use it or will use it.

Came home last weekend it really surprised me.  She was listening to
internet radio with the SB3, switching channels and later on plays
musics from the library.

I think it does prove one thing.  Although the setting up and
configuration of the slimdevice is a bit more complex due to the large
number of configuration options, plugins and settings, the user
interface in fact is very simple and user friendly.  Once set-up
properly, even a non-geek like my wife is not afraid to give it a try.

This is completely out of my expectation!  Just the fact that she is
feeling comfortable using it would justify buying another one for the
bedroom.

(Of course, this is also partly because of the Harmony remote control
which automatically switch everything on and set my receiver to the
correct input.)


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Re: [slim] Can we avoid inflamatory titles?

2008-02-13 Thread Siduhe

Thirded.  

Mark, I believe I must have been 'channelling'
(http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=268400highlight=paraphrasing#post268400)
you/one of your posts yesterday...

I was thinking we might do something more along the lines of the
Sean-Adams-Response-O-Matic..


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Re: [slim] Announcing the Squeezebox Duet

2008-02-13 Thread Siduhe

rene50,

First of all, welcome to the forum.  Würden Sie lieber in deutscher
Sprache zu sprechen? Ou en Français?

There are regular posters who speak both as their first language if
that is easier for you - try the German or French forums if so.

I would take a look at the Beginners Guide in the wiki:

http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?BeginnersGuideOverview

In particular, the section on Network Design:

http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?NetworkDesign.

You need a wireless router to avoid cables entirely, and many people
prefer to run one step (Hard DriveRouter or RouterSqueezebox/Duet)
with a cable in any event - particularly if you are streaming in a
lossless, audiophile format (FLAC, AAC, WMA Lossless etc), to maintain
best performance.


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Re: [slim] Can we avoid inflamatory titles?

2008-02-13 Thread kdf

 contribute at all to such
 threads and I bet there are others like me.

Count on it.  It isn't just limited to forum threads.  What motivation is
there to give free time testing, debugging, or writing for someone else's
benefit when it's just for continued abuse.  I can certainly understand
the stance of those who prefer to use that time for their own projects
instead.

-kdf

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[slim] Slimserver Database Question

2008-02-13 Thread jonheal

Please forgive a ludite, as I am still using version 6.3.1 and am
completely content, but ...

I've been working on querying the database to build a list our music
for our web site.

We have quite a bit of classical music, but it seems that data from the
band/orchestra tag does not appear in the SQLite database. Where is
Slimserver grabbing this info when it displays it on the web interface?


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Re: [slim] Announcing the Squeezebox Duet

2008-02-13 Thread Secret Squirrel

rene50;268977 Wrote: 
 ok I connect the sqeezebox or the duet to a receiver/amplifier ,is it
 also ok to connect it to a monitored system as the sub has allkind of
 connections.
 
 But what i do not understand is how it plays the mp3 on my hard drive
 or does that work through the wireless router etc.
 
 So it connects with my hard drive wireless no cable or what so ever
 between the duet and my computer?
 
 
 
 Is there a real difference between the duet and squeezebox 2?
 
 In themanual of my focal icub sub there is a way to connect it to a
 Wi-Fi receiver
 which is i think what the duet is too.
 
 it connects to a optical cable.
 
 May be you better react after your working hours!!!
 
 
 
 macworld.com/article/46146/2005/07/icub.html
 
 if you look here they even talk about the squeezebox,the focal icub
 thats what I have.
 I appreciate a lot that you answer me ,i am mature too 58 years.
 
 Hope to hear from you after working hours.
 
 my msn is  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 thanks in advance
 
 have a nice working day ,its here 19.30 in the evening.
 here is the netherlands

Thanks for your concern but at the moment it's 13:30 here and I'm on my
lunch hour. It would be nice chatting, but I won't get home this evening
until 19:30 Eastern Standard time (I think six hours after you get
there) and I image that you will be sleeping by then.

The SqueezeCenter software is what plays your MP3s. (In the future you
might consider switching to FLACs because even my 57 old ears can hear
that difference.)

It does read as though you can hook your iCub directly to your
Squeezebox/Duet either using the digital or RCA plugs. Personally, I
have a central stereo system for the house and that's where the
Squeezebox lives. Mine is attached via a cable, but MANY people here on
the forum use WiFi though there seems to be some challenge at times
doing that. It actually connects to your PC which would need to be
running or SqueezeNetwork which is an Internet cafe of radio stations
run by Logitech's SMS (Slim Devices). (On SqueezeNetwork your PC doesn't
have to be turned on.)

The difference as I see it between the SB2 and the Duet is the nifty
remote that comes with the Duet. It connects to your network
wirelessly, gives you full control of the player anywhere in your
house, shows you albums covers, displays the weather, displays RSS
feeds, slices breadwell, not yet ;) but it does a  LOT! If I were
starting with things now, I would purchase a Duet, but that's my
personal preference.


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Re: [slim] Can we avoid inflamatory titles?

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Re: [slim] Surprise!

2008-02-13 Thread Phil Leigh

Hooray - you win the happy user award!
Your post comes as such a relief  - it warms my heart.
Since you have just been on a 3-week crash course on how to configure
everything perfectly, would you mind helping some of the newbies
out...

Me and my friends are a bit tired...

(sincerely - well done and congratulations)


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Re: [slim] Surprise!

2008-02-13 Thread Pat Farrell
maggior wrote:
 I had a similar experience.  My wife uses the squeezebox all of the
 time. 

Same here. My wife uses it all the time. She made me buy one for my 
college aged kid.

She likes it so much she let me buy a Transporter.

She still doesn't love the look of my Sonus Faber speakers.

But the SqueezeBoxen get WAF.

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Re: [slim] Announcing the Squeezebox Duet

2008-02-13 Thread Phil Leigh

djfake;269013 Wrote: 
 Thanks for the reply. A desktop PC would work too, correct?

Yes - plug it (the SB) into any computer running SqueezeCenter
(directly or via a switch/router etc)


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Re: [slim] Announcing the Squeezebox Duet

2008-02-13 Thread djfake

Peter;268998 Wrote: 
 djfake wrote:
  Yeah, cough is right. Why can't you configure it via wired ethernet?
  Most every network device embeds something to do this - I have a NAS
  device that does this.  
 
  Okay, Logitech's first priority was to sell the duet combo. But if
  Logitech wanted, they could have created the SBR to configure itself
  via wired ethernet. So a conscious decision was made by someone to
  create the SBR to require the SBC for configuration. 

 That's a matter of priorities. They'll first sell the combo, which 
 doesn't require a wired setup feature.
 
  I don't want to start a flame war and certainly don't mean this as
  troll, but why do I get the feeling this list is apologetic to
  Logitech? Is the community getting paid to develop the product? Or
 is
  Logitech using the community to develop a commercial product? I'm
 all
  confused...

 
 Because SD/Logitech SMS actually respond to their users. Those of us
 who've been around here for a long time like me, have seen this in
 progress. People asked for a cheaper displayless SB and they got it.
 They asked for a Sonos type remote and they got it. I reported a bug on
 the Controller interface yesterday, it was fixed today. I know of no
 software or hardware company that is so responsive to its users. I
 appreciate that and I really hate seeing idiots who just entered this
 forum and start kicking around - usually because they have some problem
 with their wireless network that's got nothing to do with their
 musicplayers or they don't understand the principles behind the design
 - and accusing the products of being shit, the people who make them of
 being stupid and the people who appreciate both of being apologetic
 fanboys.
 
 Regards,
 Peter

For the record, I have been using Slimdevices products for nearly five
years. Got a lot better things to do with my time than read posts like
this. 

By cheaper displayless SB do you mean the SBR? If it requires the SBC
to use, then it isn't really cheaper, is it?


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Re: [slim] Surprise!

2008-02-13 Thread maggior

Honva;268996 Wrote: 
 
 Came home last weekend it really surprised me.  She was listening to
 internet radio with the SB3, switching channels and later on plays
 musics from the library.
 

I had a similar experience.  My wife uses the squeezebox all of the
time.  She even now builds up playlists to randomize music for our kids
to listen to in the afternoon.  Though, if she was responsible for the
backend stuff like configuration, CD ripping and tagging, etc., we
would still be using CDs :-).

There was a thread a year ago or so discussing how one's partners or
signficant others got on with the SB.  If I remember correctly, many
share the experience that you describe.

Good to hear about somebody's positive experience!


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Re: [slim] Announcing the Squeezebox Duet

2008-02-13 Thread Phil Leigh

maybe time for a Dutch sub-forum? (after all, there seem to be a few
users in the Netherlands and our French and German friends are catered
for!

:o)


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