Re: [slim] New Boom on the Horizon?

2010-08-09 Thread erland

I can only talk for myself but IMHO the Radio and the Touch is the best
Squeezeboxes I've ever had. The Duet(including Controller) is the only
disappointment I've seen recently.

- Classic is great but a bit boring with the monochrome display after
you've seen Touch/Radio
- Duet was a disappointment for me but that's mainly because I want a
central display
- Transporter was probably excellent but a bit expensive for my taste
considering the equipment I would be connecting it to.
- Boom is great but a bit boring with the monochrome display after
you've seen Touch/Radio
- Radio is excellent besides the buggy alarm handling
- Touch is the best Squeezebox I've ever seen (I'm not using the
built-in server which clearly have some issues yet).

We should also remember that all these Squeezeboxes was created while
Slim Devices people was in charge and took the decisions. It's going to
be more interesting to see where Logitech plans to go after this when
all the old Slim Devices managers are gone. I suspect we are going to
see more mass market related devices, with more focus on simplicity and
less focus on audio quality, but that's just my personal guess.

There are some possible new hardware versions that would make sense
because they could be supported with minimal software changes:
- Boom with color touch display
- Receiver based on SqueezeOS
- Controller with touch display (but I doubt they will do this as it
will be extremely hard to compete with iPhone/iPad/Android hardware)

However, personally I suspect Logitech will focus on selling existing
products a while longer, the old devices shouldn't cost them too much
in maintenance so there isn't any reason to get rid of them as long as
they are able to sell the units they produce.

It's easy to complain on Logitech but to be honest, can anyone mention
one product from a competitor that beats the price/performance/features
of the Squeezebox products, assuming you care about good audio quality ?


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Re: [slim] Nancy Grace- is it available on some Internet station?

2010-08-09 Thread Ikabob

They probably block the Nancy Grace stream. I'd pay for access to a
radio stream from the Nancy Grace show. I could lie in bed listening
and maybe fall asleep.


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Re: [slim] Pandora via BlackVPN in Europe

2010-08-09 Thread th80

empascalsismammi;567861 Wrote: 
> how did you manage to do that? Does Pandora work in Europe as default or
> do you have to use your vpn service?

Yes, you need a VPN service to get it work. I'm using BlackVPN.


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Re: [slim] New Boom on the Horizon?

2010-08-09 Thread Mnyb

mherger;567953 Wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 4. Discontinued useful functions when their programmer cannot solve
> > their own problem.  eg. Remote number keys for favorites; constant
> > digital out level while having variable analogue out, etc.
> 
> If you were following these forums you'd know that a.) the remote keys
> are still fully functional, though probably not the way you like it,
> and b.) is being added for the next major release.
> [color=blue]
> 
> Michael

Eh actually how not you are going to get 100% fixed output on the Touch
but not 100% fixed digital at the same time as variable analog, Andy
said so in another tread.

And the SB3 had this feature removed the SB3 only has the setting:


"You can fix the volume control at 100% if you are using the volume
control on your amplifier to control loudness or need perfect digital
passthrough. This affects both digital and analog volume."

Older SB3 firmware had the option to fix digital out while still using
the analog volume .

Why this had to go nobody had told us.


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Re: [slim] New Boom on the Horizon?

2010-08-09 Thread Mnyb

On 5. I disagree, slightly. Never version are very stable for me, but
the old ones was to. I have no big problems with sbs(I see things in
the 7.6 beta,but it's the purpose of beta).
A problem is that upgrading sometimes takes a completely clean install
to function, just upgrading is not always cutting it (hence i slightly
disagree).

On 2. I simply don't understand the receiver has digital out and the
Touch ??
Receiver is by far the cheapest thing they ever produced it has digital
out.
Touch is giving you 24/96 digital out at price that is a fraction off
what a transporter costes you.
So under logitechs flag digital out has gotten cheaper and better, you
are wrong on this.

Digital out on boom or radio would not make sense, they are standalone
players with their own speakers not meant to plug in to your stereo,
you want digital out on your car stereo to ?


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Re: [slim] New Boom on the Horizon?

2010-08-09 Thread Michael Herger
While I as an employee have not always been happy with what decisions were 
taken, your list of criticism isn't fair. And it's a very personal list of 
issues too. Let's look at it another way:

> 1. Unnecessarily changed the devices to linux computers to increase
> complexity that their company's programmers can't handle.

- users were asking for more codec support on the device
- users were asking for artwork display
- users were asking for a simple streaming solution
- ...

A change was needed because users wanted a lot which the old platform couldn't 
do any more. It's probably not the changes _you_ wanted, but a large part of 
our customer base did.

> 2. Dropped the important digital out on most of their products except
> top of the line.  Consumers ended up with not much choices.

What's your bottom of the line? Radio or the now dropped Classic? There are 
different products: with or without speakers. Those without speakers have 
digital out. Those with speakers don't. It's a different use case with 
different features.

Not much choices? There used to be two products (Classic, Transporter). Today 
there are five (Transporter, Duet, Radio, Touch, Boom).

> 3. In this age of global village, Logitech dropped support to display
> international character sets.

It's unfortunate that support for _some_ international characters was dropped. 
But others were added at the same time. And it's for sure not dropping all of 
them.

> 4. Discontinued useful functions when their programmer cannot solve
> their own problem.  eg. Remote number keys for favorites; constant
> digital out level while having variable analogue out, etc.

If you were following these forums you'd know that a.) the remote keys are 
still fully functional, though probably not the way you like it, and b.) is 
being added for the next major release.

> 5. Newer software even less stable than older version.

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Re: [slim] New Boom on the Horizon?

2010-08-09 Thread Honva

As a user, I was very disappointed with the product line in the last
couple of years.  My feeling is that Logitech is destroying the very
good slimdevices line in the last few years.  To we end users, we just
want a device with good audio quality, simple user interface and
reliable software.  The old classic dump squeezeboxes just did the job
well.

What Logictech did was:
1. Unnecessarily changed the devices to linux computers to increase
complexity that their company's programmers can't handle.
2. Dropped the important digital out on most of their products except
top of the line.  Consumers ended up with not much choices.
3. In this age of global village, Logitech dropped support to display
international character sets.  (need users to do their own mods to
fix)
4. Discontinued useful functions when their programmer cannot solve
their own problem.  eg. Remote number keys for favorites; constant
digital out level while having variable analogue out, etc.
5. Newer software even less stable than older version.

I was a happy user when I bought my first squeezebox feeling the
product was so much better than competition.  My recent purchases ended
up with a lot of time spent on finding workarounds.


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Re: [slim] New Boom on the Horizon?

2010-08-09 Thread Goodsounds

The past few years have been tumultuous. Product completion and release
delays, supply disruptions (which are still ongoing), etc. I wonder
what the after-the-fact internal conclusions and action points are, if
any? Or, are we looking at orphans, products lacking champions within
the grand scheme of things at Logitech? 

On the embedded linux comment, people who have expertise and experience
in such matters tell me that most companies are agnostic concerning
which embedded OS's to use in products. Decisions are made based on
many factors, including cost and timing considerations. "Cost" can
involve many things, including development resources, specialized needs
of the software, costs of tools and licenses, etc. Embedded linux can
often be the right choice, and oftentimes not. 

If there were people who worked for nothing to make free
construction-grade lumber available for construction, many houses would
be build using it. It wouldn't have to be better than other choices if
it were free, because "good enough" is often all that is needed.


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Re: [slim] [Announce] iPeng 1.2.5 now on the App Store

2010-08-09 Thread jhonsber...@msn.com

I can't seem to find the wake on lan setting in ipeng .

I dont see it in settings.


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Re: [slim] Backing up Flac files to external hard drive

2010-08-09 Thread RonM

paul44birch;566959 Wrote: 
> Thanks for all the replys.  May have gone a little to much to Mp3
> copying but my initial question was about best way to get the flac
> files copied across to external hard drive as flac files plus artwork
> etc (ie just copy and paste, or drag across?).
> 
> I will check out SyncToy.

I regularly rip using the multi-encoder facility of dbpoweramp, making
one flac file and one mp3 file (for use on portable devices).  As far
as I can tell, there is no barrier to using the multi-encoder to rip to
two separate flac files in separate places.  I don't know whether this
would appreciably slow the process, though it might.  There doesn't
seem to be a significant slow-down with the dual format (flac and mp3)
process.

As others have pointed out, though, if you are going to have to do some
tweaking of the tags or artwork, you will then have to do the tweaks
twice -- if you do the tweaking after each rip, then you just need to
copy the flac files to your external drive.

The problem then is to set up a system for incrementally copying the
new files to your external drive.  I find Second Copy to work very well
(http://www.secondcopy.com/).  It allows scheduled or manual backups,
using a variety of settings.  I use it for several purposes -- the two
main ones being copying changed files in my master folder (on an
external drive that is permanently connected to my main computer) to my
music server on the network,  and copying the music files to a set of
external hard drives that are rotated out to a safety deposit box at my
bank.  

In effect I have three complete copies of my music -- 1. My main music
folder to which all new music is ripped, and occasional lossy downloads
stored; 2. the hard drive on my dedicated music server (a FitPC2); 3.
the backup drives stored in the safety deposit box at the bank.  

If my house burns down, I'll still have the latter, and will lose only
the most recently ripped music.  I rotate them out of the safety
deposit box every couple of months.  

R.


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Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] SqueezeCommander 0.9 for Android

2010-08-09 Thread tamanaco

flattermann;567868 Wrote: 
> 
> Your server is connected through *wired* LAN?
> If yes, maybe you could capture the network traffic (Protocol UDP,
> Broadcasting to 255.255.255.255) and see if the packets arrive in your
> LAN?
> The packet is sent as broadcast, therefore you should be able to catch
> the packet on any device in your LAN. (Try e.g. Wireshark as Network
> sniffer)

Yes, my server and my SB3 are connected to a Wired LAN. I'd not have it
any other way.

I ran Wiredshark and I can see ARP requests from my phone (.112) for my
server IP address (.100) every time I click connect from Commander or
when I try to send a WOL packet from the WOL app in my phone. I do not
see WOL packets coming from the phone.

26  5.418603SamsungE_ad:1x:5x   Broadcast   ARP Who has 
192.168.1.100? 
Tell 192.168.1.112

When I send them from my laptop (.101) connected via WiFi using Fusion
WOL I can see the WOL packets arrive.

162 33.584576   192.168.1.101   255.255.255.255 WOL MagicPacket for
3Com_6x:4x:1x (00:0x:0x:6x:4x:1x) (x inserted to hide MAC address)

I think I read something about Android 2.1 having issues with masks
other than 255.255.255.0 could this be an issue? I thought WOL only
relied on MAC addresses, but I could be wrong.  Can you WOL your server
using a phone with Android 2.1?


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Re: [slim] Playlist Move Up/Down Buttons?

2010-08-09 Thread JJZolx

I just played around with it and the behavior depends on whether or not
you have album art shown in the playlist.  It may even depend on the
title format that you use, but I didn't spend too much time with it.

I tested 7.5.2 in Firefox 3.6.8 and Google Chrome 5.0.375.125 beta.

With artwork shown, in both browsers I can grab anywhere within the
item, including links, to drag the item.

With artwork hidden, if I grab within the track title link or album
name link then the item won't drag.  Firefox displays a circle/slash
mouse icon.  In Chrome the mouse icon switches from a hand to an
arrow.

So yeah, it can be a little tricky.


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Re: [slim] New Boom on the Horizon?

2010-08-09 Thread bwaldron

maggior;567840 Wrote: 
> I wonder why coupon codes keep popping up for fantastic deals on the
> Touch.  That's worrysome because the Touch isn't ready for a
> replacement anytime soon.

The Touch not being available any longer at Amazon (even through
third-party sellers) makes one wonder as well.


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Re: [slim] Playlist Move Up/Down Buttons?

2010-08-09 Thread johnas

MusicMonkey;567880 Wrote: 
> I have album art hidden so just a list of tracks is shown in the play
> list.  But, I tried it on 2 separate machines, both using the latest
> IE8, got the same result as before (i.e. only works if I click/hold on
> "from", by", or Artist Name).  I did notice, however, that if I moved
> my mouse pointer just slightly below the album name (below where the
> underline is indicating it's a link) then it also works, but again only
> if the mouse is off the link by a pixel or two...

Sorry don't have access to a Windows computer, but I suspect it is a
browser based issue. Do you have any limitations with how cookies can
be set in IE?  I'm using Firefox 3.6 with no issues. Maybe someone else
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Re: [slim] [Announce] iPeng 1.2.5 now on the App Store

2010-08-09 Thread bluegaspode

Is anyone else having issues with MySqueezeBox.com and iPeng ?

Players on MySB.com are not shown for me anymore. 
If I press the right arrow to see the config screen I get an endless
circle.

Tried to remove the 'Player'-player on MySqueezebox.com as well, but
iPeng doesn't ask for the credentials again after restarting (and
reinstalling).


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Re: [slim] Let's make the Squeezebox to the ultimate music discovery device!

2010-08-09 Thread Dogberry2

1. 
HOW DO YOU FIND MUSIC IN YOUR OWN LIBRARY ? 
About 50% of the time, I know what album I want, and get there via
Artist/Album. If it's a "various artists" compilation thing, I go
directly to it by Album.
Perhaps 40% I use a playlist. Most of my playlists are created with a
specific mood and/or genre in mind, so I can pick one that suits me
pretty easily.
On rare occasion I use the standard Random play by genre.
Even more rarely, I use the Search, if I want to find all the different
recordings of a particular song or something like that.
The other 10% or so of my listening time is not from my own library,
but from the Internet; almost all of my "outside" listening is from XM
or Pandora.

I have Duets and a Boom, and I also use SoftSqueeze on occasion,
usually with wireless headphones when I'm not near any sort of
receiver. I use the Controllers to control the Duet Receivers and
SoftSqueeze, and sometimes for the Boom, but usually when I'm using the
Boom it's near enough that I can use the front panel or the IR remote.
It's very rare for me to use a browser to control my Squeezeboxen. If
I'm sitting at a computer anyway, I am more likely to use J. River to
play music directly on the PC, say in my office. To browse, select and
play on the SB devices, the Controller is a much better way for me to
go.

I don't use any custom add-ons for browsing, and haven't felt a need
for them. I know my library pretty well, and can find what I want very
quickly using the standard My Music browse features. (My library is
just over 1000 albums. I can see where a much larger library might
necessitate other search/browse options.)

2. 
HOW DO YOU USUALLY FIND NEW MUSIC YOU LIKE TO GET BUT CURRENTLY DON'T
HAVE IN YOUR LIBRARY ?
I discover new music primarily from three sources: Stuff I hear on
Pandora or XM, and recommendations from friends. On rare occasion I
might listen to samples from an album recommended by Amazon. I don't
listen to broadcast, commercial radio stations, either over the air or
on the Net. My wish list of albums I haven't yet got generally numbers
around 250, so there's not much danger of running out of ideas for new
music for awhile. I've pretty much always heard at least a track or two
before I buy an album. This doesn't always guarantee I'll like the
entire album once I get it, but I can usually be sure I'll like at
least some of it.

3. 
HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE ABLE TO FIND MUSIC IN YOUR OWN LIBRARY IN THE
FUTURE ?
I'm very satisfied with the standard browse/search/select funtionality
in the existing Controller and Boom interfaces, so I haven't really
felt like I'm missing anything. If I happened to read a suggestion for
a new method that I thought I might find useful, I'd express an
interest, but since I have never even felt the need to install any
custom search/browse add-on, I must be pretty happy with the way it
works out of the box.

4. 
HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO FIND NEW MUSIC YOU LIKE TO BUY/GET IN THE FUTURE
?
Having such a large backlog of music I still don't have, I'm not
hurting for new sources of music.

5.
WHAT KIND OF TAGGING/MANAGEMENT DO YOU DO ON NEW MUSIC YOU ADD TO YOUR
LIBRARY TO MAKE IT EASIER TO FIND STUFF LATER ON ?
When I rip a CD, I always check the tags dbPoweramp grabbed. About 98%
of the time, I have to fix spelling, punctuation, genre or something.
I'm very meticulous and fussy about my tags. I've never found a need to
use any non-standard tags or anything that SBS doesn't currently handle.
I suppose the only area that I think could use improvement is in the
classical stuff, but I can't imagine that ever getting a wide enough
user base to make it much of a priority.

Folder structure is important only to me, obviously not to SBS (well,
apart from the all-under-one-master-folder restriction, which has never
been a problem for me). I organize the folders in a fairly standard way
(MainFolder/FileType/Artist/Album), to make it easier for me to find a
particular album or song from outside of SBS. I do keep my FLAC (vast
majority of my library) separate from MP3 stuff, and I also keep a
parallel library of all the FLACs converted to MP3 for use in portables
and so forth. I don't do ratings; I know what I like, and if I don't
like it, it probably isn't in my library anyway.

6.
DO YOU SYNCHRONIZE THE DATA IN SBS WITH SOME OTHER APPLICATION TO MAKE
IT EASIER TO FIND INTERESTING MUSIC ?
Don't use statistics or ratings. I do use J. River as a player on PCs,
and it uses the same library that SBS does. It keeps in sync via its
normal scans. I also use it pretty much exclusively to create and
maintain playlists, which I then export as M3Us, run through a text
editor macro to convert the path structure, and save into the SBS
playlist directory. Then I just do a rescan of the playlists in SBS.


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Re: [slim] Playlist Move Up/Down Buttons?

2010-08-09 Thread MusicMonkey

I tried it on 2 separate machines, both using the latest IE8, got the
same result as before (i.e. only works if I click/hold on "from", by",
or Artist Name).  I did notice, however, that if I moved my mouse
pointer just slightly below the album name (below where the underline
is indicating it's a link) then it also works, but again only if the
mouse is off the link by a pixel or two...


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Re: [slim] Playlist Move Up/Down Buttons?

2010-08-09 Thread T-bird

Just tested this in IE and the only place I could drag it was on
albumart

I'm a Firefox user and where you can drag it anyware in the gray field


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Re: [slim] Playlist Move Up/Down Buttons?

2010-08-09 Thread MusicMonkey

I'm running the latest of everything, Squeezebox Server v7.5.1 and
Internet Explorer 8.0.6001.  Do you think there might be an option I
should set in IE to properly enable the ability to click/hold anywhere
on the track for drag-and-drop?  Right now, if I click/hold in those
areas I noted earlier, I get the circle/slash "do not" sign.


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Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] SqueezeCommander 0.9 for Android

2010-08-09 Thread flattermann

tamanaco;567854 Wrote: 
> After playing with Commander for a week I'm very happy with the way I
> can navigate my server library and squeezenetwork services. The only
> things I wish I had is access to the "Extras" menu. This way I can use
> plugins like Server Power Control to put my SB Server to sleep and like
> Sugarcube to turn on/off my dynamic MusicIP playlist. It would also be
> nice if one could create MusicIP mixes from the Music Library and to
> view Album Reviews. I know... I know... it takes time.

Extras/Plugins will work as soon as SqueezePlay menus are implemented
(that's probably included in the next big update).

> The only thing I noticed that's not working for me is WOL. I have to use
> my laptop to wake up my server. Pressing "Connect" to my server (already
> configured for WOL with the correct MAC) fails to wake up the server. Am
> I missing a button somewhere to send the WOL packets? Btw, I'm not sure
> if it is an issue with my Captivate Running Android 2.1. I also
> downloaded an App called WOL and it also fails to wake up the server.
> The WOL tool is configured to send 5 wake up packets every 5 seconds,
> but it does not do anything either. My laptop is connected via WiFi to
> the same router. I use Fusion WOL to send the WOL packets to my server
> and it works just fine. I would be nice if I didn't need to use my
> laptop to wake up the server or use the IR remote to put the server to
> sleep. 

If you click on a server in SqueezeCommander, a connection attempt is
made and if this fails, a WOL packet is automatically sent.

Your server is connected through *wired* LAN?
If yes, maybe you could capture the network traffic (Protocol UDP,
Broadcasting to 255.255.255.255) and see if the packets arrive in your
LAN?
The packet is sent as broadcast, therefore you should be able to catch
the packet on any device in your LAN. (Try e.g. Wireshark as Network
sniffer)

> One more thing...  it would also be nice if there was an option to clear
> the playlist "except" for the currently playing track.

Hmm, I could add a second option to the confirmation dialog...


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Re: [slim] Pandora via BlackVPN in Europe

2010-08-09 Thread empascalsismammi

how did you manage to do that? Does Pandora work in Europe as default or
do you have to use your vpn service?


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Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] SqueezeCommander 0.9 for Android

2010-08-09 Thread tamanaco

After playing with Commander for a week I'm very happy with the way I
can navigate my server library and squeezenetwork services. The only
things I wish I had is access to the "Extras" menu. This way I can use
plugins like Server Power Control to put my SB Server to sleep and like
Sugarcube to turn on/off my dynamic MusicIP playlist. It would also be
nice if one could create MusicIP mixes from the Music Library and to
view Album Reviews. I know... I know... it takes time.

The only thing I noticed that's not working for me is WOL. I have to
use my laptop to wake up my server. Pressing "Connect" to my server
(already configured for WOL with the correct MAC) fails to wake up the
server. Am I missing a button somewhere to send the WOL packets? Btw,
I'm not sure if it is an issue with my Captivate Running Android 2.1. I
also downloaded an App called WOL and it also fails to wake up the
server. The WOL tool is configured to send 5 wake up packets every 5
seconds, but it does not do anything either. My laptop is connected via
WiFi to the same router. I use Fusion WOL to send the WOL packets to my
server and it works just fine. I would be nice if I didn't need to use
my laptop to wake up the server or use the IR remote to put the server
to sleep. 

One more thing... is there a way to clear the current playlist? I would
like to add several tracks/albums while there are no tracks playing
(Blank Playlist) But... it would also be nice if there was an option to
clear the playlist "except" for the currently playing track.


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Re: [slim] New Boom on the Horizon?

2010-08-09 Thread Pat Farrell
On 08/09/2010 02:46 PM, JJZolx wrote:
>> With zero facts to back up your opinion.
>
> The Radio has had major problems since day one and they continue nearly
> a year later.

That has not been my experience. My Radio has worked since very early in 
the beta process. Granted, I have never been tempted to use it as a 
clock radio with alarms, so I have skipped a lot of pain that others see.

 From what tea leaves I can see, the Radio was rushed when the Touch 
missed the Christmas sales cycle. Not a lot of news that it was not a 
smooth effort. But I have zero problems with mine.

> Touch's development was a freaking nightmare.  That's
> all.

That is your opinion and your words. The Touch as a SlimDevice came 
together fairly quickly. The UI was rough, but the basics worked from 
early on. It was the damn TinySBS that has been a schedule killer. Not a 
lot of news here, embedded systems are a lot harder than normal 
computer/consumer applications.

I will argue that if they left the "server reads from USB disks and 
thumb drives" off the advertising copy, they could have had a successful 
product nearly a year earlier.

I personally have zero interest in TinySBS. It does not solve any 
problems that I have.

Again, whether or not it is called a "SqueezeOS platform", all modern 
devices like the Touch have an embedded Linux in them. Its how its done 
for low volume stuff, which included these days 40 inch TVs, that sell 
far more units than any SqueezeBox ever will. There are bathroom scales 
with Bluetooth or WiFi, they have embedded Linux in them.

Perhaps they had too many features on the checklist, perhaps the 
engineers were bad, or the engineering management was bad, that is water 
over the damn. If there is a follow-on product, its going to be built 
using a touch screen and an embedded Linux base. The smart phone 
industry (do I need to mention that the most popular smartphone has a 
linux embedded system in it) has driven the market to demand touch 
screens. And the volumes seen in smartphones have driven the prices for 
touchscreens down to levels that could not have been imagined when the 
Touch was first created.

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Re: [slim] New Boom on the Horizon?

2010-08-09 Thread JJZolx

pfarrell;567839 Wrote: 
> Any one who has been on this forum for more than a minute knows that 
> you, Jim, think that the line is doomed. You keep repeating this claim.
> 
> With zero facts to back up your opinion.

The Radio has had major problems since day one and they continue nearly
a year later.  Touch's development was a freaking nightmare.  That's
all.  They could bring out a new player based on the SqueezeOS platform
under the premise that there's a lot of work already in the bag, but it
remains unstable and such a move would only be compounding their
support costs.


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Re: [slim] New Boom on the Horizon?

2010-08-09 Thread maggior

pfarrell;567839 Wrote: 
> 
> The current Boom is pretty old in consumer electronics age. I love the
> 
> sound of mine, but its about time to refresh it to keep it current. Old
> 
> consumer electronics just don't move, and as Dire Straits sang, you 
> gotta move these refrigerators, gotta move these color TVs
> 

...moola moola...

Great song and a good point.  I wonder if the the great deals at
logitech.com (via coupon codes) and Amazon on the Boom are a reflection
of the need to "move product" to make way for a replacement.  If they
need to provide that steep of a monitary incentive to sell product, it
seems like they need to have something new and compelling.

This makes sense for the Boom, but I wonder why coupon codes keep
popping up for fantastic deals on the Touch.  That's worrysome because
the Touch isn't ready for a replacement anytime soon.


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Re: [slim] New Boom on the Horizon?

2010-08-09 Thread Pat Farrell
On 08/09/2010 01:29 PM, JJZolx wrote:
> Given all the difficulties with the Radio I'd be really surprised to see
> another SqueezeOS based player.  I think the Touch is the end of the
> line until something more robust and easier to program can be
> developed.

Any one who has been on this forum for more than a minute knows that 
you, Jim, think that the line is doomed. You keep repeating this claim. 
With zero facts to back up your opinion.

Why are you crying wolf? Did you not learn that story as a little kid?

Whether it is called SqueezeOS or not, I don't care. But if there is to 
be any followon products, they will be built on an embedded, 
programmable platform, with some sort of Linux hidden under it. I'm not 
saying this with any claim of inside information, but rather that is how 
nearly all consumer products are being built these days. At least all 
moderate volume consumer products, from routers to access points to TVs 
to cell phones.

The current Boom is pretty old in consumer electronics age. I love the 
sound of mine, but its about time to refresh it to keep it current. Old 
consumer electronics just don't move, and as Dire Straits sang, you 
gotta move these refrigerators, gotta move these color TVs


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Re: [slim] Announce: New Squeezeslave 0.9 Release available on sourceforge

2010-08-09 Thread johsti

Thanks Ralph.

I made more progress last night and was able to get pandora to work
with SS when I changed the MAC.  I think I need to make a batch file
with the new MAC address, is that correct?  Otherwise I need to start
from a command line every time I start windows.  Is there another way
to save the squeezeslave.exe with a different MAC address?  

My goal is to have squeezeslave start automatically when I turn on the
computer and not have to turn on my TV.  I will control SS with squeeze
commander.  Currently I have this working now, but pandora doesn't work
with the default address.


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Re: [slim] New Boom on the Horizon?

2010-08-09 Thread JJZolx

Given all the difficulties with the Radio I'd be really surprised to see
another SqueezeOS based player.  I think the Touch is the end of the
line until something more robust and easier to program can be
developed.


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Re: [slim] New Boom on the Horizon?

2010-08-09 Thread Aslak3

mherger;567821 Wrote: 
> 
> No, it isn't. Project name was "baby boom", not "boom 2"
> 
> -- 
> 
> Michael

Yeah, I bloody hope it's not.  Would need stereo speakers to be
considered the "next boom".


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Re: [slim] New Boom on the Horizon?

2010-08-09 Thread Michael Herger
> Isn't the Radio already the new Boom (at least from Logitech's point of
> view)?

No, it isn't. Project name was "baby boom", not "boom 2"

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Re: [slim] New Boom on the Horizon?

2010-08-09 Thread TiredLegs

Isn't the Radio already the new Boom (at least from Logitech's point of
view)?


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Re: [slim] New Boom on the Horizon?

2010-08-09 Thread erland

If anyone knows, they aren't going to reveal it on these forums.
Logitech usually don't comment unreleased products. A new upgraded Boom
is a logical step and Logitech would probably be able to release one
without any major software changes compared to the Radio. However, it
would still be a surprise to me if they released any new Squeezebox
hardware during the next month.

So my recommendation would be that if you want one now, get one of the
existing products.


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Re: [slim] Backing up Flac files to external hard drive

2010-08-09 Thread funkstar

TiredLegs;567564 Wrote: 
> You can edit the tags and substitute other versions of artwork right in
> dbPoweramp before ripping, and everything will be applied to both the
> FLAC and MP3 files created.
True, I just find that work flow works will for me.


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Re: [slim] Non-LAN IP address used by SBs?

2010-08-09 Thread maf

Hello Felix

thanks for the explanation!

In deed, the information about the player always seems to reflect the
current internet connection. If that connection is cut, the information
submenu is not available.

Cheers
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Re: [slim] Playlist Move Up/Down Buttons?

2010-08-09 Thread johnas

MusicMonkey;567797 Wrote: 
> I had tried drag-and-drop but it wasn't working for me, but after your
> suggestion I did it with renewed determination.  The trick seems to be
> to WHERE you position the mouse pointer when you try to drag-and-drop. 
> It only works for me if I click/drag on non-link words such as "from",
> "by" or the artist name itself.  However if I click/drag on the track
> title or album title, it won't drag-and-drop successfully...which seems
> odd because the logical place you would clic/drag is on the track title
> itself.

It should not matter where you click, drag and drop should work whether
it is link/non link words or the space where there are no words, or even
the play or delete button.

Are you running an older version of the server or an old browser?


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Re: [slim] Playlist Move Up/Down Buttons?

2010-08-09 Thread MusicMonkey

I had tried drag-and-drop but it wasn't working for me, but after your
suggestion I did it with renewed determination.  The trick seems to be
to WHERE you position the mouse pointer when you try to drag-and-drop. 
It only works for me if I click/drag on non-link words such as "from",
"by" or the artist name itself.  However if I click/drag on the track
title or album title, it won't drag-and-drop successfully...which seems
odd because the logical place you would clic/drag is on the track title
itself.


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Re: [slim] Playlist Move Up/Down Buttons?

2010-08-09 Thread johnas

MusicMonkey;567784 Wrote: 
> Might somebody be able to tell me how to display the Move Up/Down
> buttons in the SqueezeBox Server Web UI for playlists (on both the
> current playlist and any saved playlist)?  These buttons appear in the
> Classic Interface, but I can't get them to appear in the Default
> Interface...is there a setting I'm missing somewhere?

Hi, in the default view you can just drag and drop the tracks to where
you want them in the playlist.


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[slim] New Boom on the Horizon?

2010-08-09 Thread MichelleUK

Hi,

Does anyone know if there are any plans to update the Boom design so
that it has the colour display that is used on the Radio?

I have a radio already,and love it, but now want one for the kitchen
too so that I can keep the first one just for the bathroom/bedroom.
BUT...I don't want to go ahead an buy one only to find out that a
stereo version is available a couple of weeks later! I don't fancy the
current design of the Boom as I think I will miss the colour display
too much.

Thanks for your help,

Michelle


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[slim] Playlist Move Up/Down Buttons?

2010-08-09 Thread MusicMonkey

Might somebody be able to tell me how to display the Move Up/Down
buttons in the SqueezeBox Server Web UI for playlists (on both the
current playlist and any saved playlist)?  These buttons appear in the
Classic Interface, but I can't get them to appear in the Default
Interface...is there a setting I'm missing somewhere?


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Re: [slim] Let's make the Squeezebox to the ultimate music discovery device!

2010-08-09 Thread aubuti

1. HOW DO YOU FIND MUSIC IN YOUR OWN LIBRARY ? 
Usually My Music > Albums (which are sorted by Artist / Year / Albums,
so it's a lot like browsing by artist), and sometimes My Music > New
Music.
- most of the time I use the SBC, but sometimes also web ui and player
menus (be it Boom's front panel, Touch's touchscreen, or IR remote).
- I don't use ratings, play counts, history at all, and don't really
have any interest in doing so
- I use MusicIP _a_lot_
- I do use album art when selecting, mostly because it's faster 
- Yes, often I search/browse by artist and want to find something
related to that

2. HOW DO YOU USUALLY FIND NEW MUSIC YOU LIKE TO GET BUT CURRENTLY
DON'T HAVE IN YOUR LIBRARY ?
- friends, music press, Internet radio, Pandora, Napster, Last.fm
- Artist stations, similar artists, etc.
- I use Napster and Amazon web sites. I also often read up on artists
at allmusic.com
- I use both SBs and computer to search for music.
- When possible I "preview" music on Napster, on my main systems, for
days or weeks before purchasing. In this case "preview" means playing
the whole album, not only clips. I buy the CD when it's something I
think I'll want to keep, at true CD quality.

3. HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE ABLE TO FIND MUSIC IN YOUR OWN LIBRARY IN
THE FUTURE ?
I don't use search much in my own library. It's only 6k tracks, and I
know most of what I have. What I've forgotten I usually rediscover via
MusicIP random playlists. 

What browsing functionality is missing today? A "similar artists" or
"similar music" type function that pulls up a list of suitable albums
and artists. Something like MusicIP that generates a browse list
instead of a playlist. That would be great!

4. HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO FIND NEW MUSIC YOU LIKE TO BUY/GET IN THE
FUTURE ?
Through SB, computer, reading reviews in newspapers and magazines,
friends' recommendations. On SB, it would be great to have a similar
artists type function that would work both within my library and
outside my library. I think Pandora (seed it with something from your
library), Napster automix, last.fm, and probably Rhapsody do this
pretty well (though each slightly different), so for SBS it would
require doing something better.

5. WHAT KIND OF TAGGING/MANAGEMENT DO YOU DO ON NEW MUSIC YOU ADD TO
YOUR LIBRARY TO MAKE IT EASIER TO FIND STUFF LATER ON ?
The tags I add are "handled" by standard SBS, but they aren't part of
standard browsing. Such as COMPOSER, though I don't think I'd use that
much.
- I almost never use BMF, but folder structure is important to me for
overall file management.
- I don't use Custom Scan. I don't manually add ratings because they
would change too much over time, it's too much work, and it's not very
helpful to me at all.

6. DO YOU SYNCHRONIZE THE DATA IN SBS WITH SOME OTHER APPLICATION TO
MAKE IT EASIER TO FIND INTERESTING MUSIC ?
I don't use any play statistics. I do use MusicIP fingerprints
extensively.


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Re: [slim] Announce: New Squeezeslave 0.9 Release available on sourceforge

2010-08-09 Thread ralphy

>From a command prompt change to the directory where you unzipped
squeezeslave and type;

squeezeslave-wasapi-0.9-173 -h

Displays all the command line options squeezeslave supports.

To change the mac address of the player use something similiar to this
option.

-m00:00:00:00:00:02

Note that squeezeslave does not work with many of the online music
services and I haven't used it with pandora.

See the 'squeezeslave wiki'
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Re: [slim] Non-LAN IP address used by SBs?

2010-08-09 Thread fcm4711

Hello Malte

Information in this screen is populated by the server and in case your
player is connected to mysqueezebox.com this is what mysqueezebox.com
'knows' about your player.

And to answer your question. No, this isn't interfering with your
routers NAT functionality. This IP address is only displayed here but
not used for anything else.

Cheers
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Re: [slim] Which NAS?

2010-08-09 Thread TheLastMan

hvb83;567760 Wrote: 
> I feel some nuance is in order. The TO starts his post by asking what
> NAS would suite his needs.
> 
> Simply implying a NAS is unsuitable to run SBS is just not true...
> [snip]... 
> there are alternatives that are faster, there are alternatives that use
> even less power, there are alternatives that are more flexible in the
> future. But at the same time, for most people, a NAS that offers the
> ability to install SBS on it is probably a very nice solution that will
> live up to their expectations just perfectly.
Very well put, that is -exactly- my experience too.

I find my Synology extremely reliable so my wife, children and guests
can happily choose and play music to their hearts content, and I don't
need to worry.

It is a doddle to set up and run and is minimal maintenance.

Since I installed the 7.5.0 update I have not had to touch the Synology
at all. It has run 24/7, cool, quiet and almost invisible.  In that time
I have added about 30 albums and run 10 rescans.  We use Napster, BBC
iPlayer and other internet radio without a hitch.

For the casual and non-techie user it is the easiest installation of
SBS to maintain.  Normally I would not recommend SqueezeBox stuff
because of SBS and MySB issues, but if they bought a Synology NAS to go
with the player then I would be happy to set it up for them, knowing
that there would be no major issues to deal with.


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Re: [slim] Let's make the Squeezebox to the ultimate music discovery device!

2010-08-09 Thread boxowl

The following 2 topics are on top of my whishlist:
1) Much better way to create and manage playlists
2) Handling of more than one library (ex.: separation of pop and
classic)


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Re: [slim] ipeng stuff

2010-08-09 Thread hvb83

Perhaps he meant a wifi-connection? Considering the fact that he's
talking about QoS in the same post.


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Re: [slim] Which NAS?

2010-08-09 Thread hvb83

I feel some nuance is in order. The TO starts his post by asking what
NAS would suite his needs.

Simply implying a NAS is unsuitable to run SBS is just not true. In my
opinion it's ok to post alternatives that could better suite his
situation. But at the same time, we must realize not everybody who owns
a Squeezebox is a computer-enthousiast that knows how to build his own
server and install, configure and maintain a linux-distro on it
himself. Or like myself, have the time at hand and feel like Googling
for a few hours in order to solve a problem that might arise over time.


I'm perfectly happy with the Synology DS210+ I have now. It's probably
slower than most dual-atom systems out there, not as flexible either.
But it suits my needs perfectly; it's fast enough to run SBS in a way
that it lives up to my expectations, it's power-consumption is low,
it's reliable so that my girlfriend doesn't encounter problems during
everyday use and that I don't have to go through embarracing moments
when a demonstration to friends goes up in smoke when showing off my
fancy music-system and the server is posing problems, Synology takes
care of preparing updates that offer new features and for me as a
linux-nono I can install them without worrying about having to fiddle
with the configuration the entire afternoon.

So yes, there are alternatives that are faster, there are alternatives
that use even less power, there are alternatives that are more flexible
in the future. But at the same time, for most people, a NAS that offers
the ability to install SBS on it is probably a very nice solution that
will life up to their expectations just perfectly.


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[slim] Non-LAN IP address used by SBs?

2010-08-09 Thread maf

Hi,

Could someone please explain an observation I mode both with a SB Duet
and SB Radio regarding the IP addresses used?

In the extended settings, there is an entry providing diagnostic
informationen. I can see, amongst other things, the IP address of the
SB, the DNS server's IP address, and the gateway's IP address. These
values are the ones provided by my local DHCP server.

But then there is also a submenu entry providing information about the
selected player. Under IP it lists my internet router's "outside" IP
address, the one assigned by my provider.

What are the SBs using that IP adddress for? Does that interfere with
my router's NAT functionality?

Thanks, Malte


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Re: [slim] ipeng stuff

2010-08-09 Thread pippin

Err.. No! Only if you want to use it with MySB or for artwork for remote
services.
I test a lot without an internet connection, what are the issues you
are seeing?


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Re: [slim] Announcing SqueezePad - the first dedicated iPad App to controll your SqueezeBoxen !

2010-08-09 Thread pippin

bluegaspode;567745 Wrote: 
> No I'm sorry. 
> I'm not supporting setting up a Receiver right now (and also don't plan
> to).
> 
> As there is a ready tool for PC I think it would be too much work for a
> too little target audience.
> Does anyone know if SqueezePlay can do UDAP too ?

It can DO UDAP but no network setup so it's no help here. SB Touch and
Radio, too. Only the Controller, Net::UDAP and SqueezeConfig can set up
a receiver right now.

With Net::UDAP: you are aware the Receiver needs a wired network
connection?


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