Re: [slim] Why Logitech SB is the best thing since sliced bread!

2012-09-10 Thread Mnyb

w3wilkes wrote: 
 Was that a slam on us older folks with hearing aids? Or is it because
 Phonak hearing aids are one of the more geeky ones that users can do
 their own programming for if they want to? Or are you saying that since
 us older folk with hearing aids bought into Squeezebox we'd probably buy
 Phonak if Logitech bought Phonak?  ;-)

You don't have to particularly old to be deaf if you are a musician ;)



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Re: [slim] Audible books on squeezebox?

2012-09-10 Thread pippin

Audible uses DRM (copy protection), so it won't work.



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Re: [slim] Squeezebox Hardware Support

2012-09-10 Thread bertdw

erland wrote: 
 First of all, why worry about something that haven't happen ?

Because it's quite possible it might happen, and I've become quite
dependent upon the Squeezebox.

erland wrote: 
 Are you sure it's a good idea to by more equipment from a manufacturer
 who have just shutdown the product, wouldn't that just make it harder to
 switch to the company that's eventually going to fill the hole Logitech
 has left with some new exciting product ?

No, I'm not sure, that's why I asked the question, to explore my
options.  There is no competing product I've seen that does what the
Squeezebox does for anywhere near the price.

erland wrote: 
 Finally, if the worst thing happens, you can always get a iOS/Android
 device and a suitable docking station and use one of the third party
 Squeezebox player apps available, for example iPeng on iOS or
 SqueezePlayer on Android.

Can I stream from my server with this setup?  I've never seen a 2TB
iOS/Android device.



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Re: [slim] Squeezebox Hardware Support

2012-09-10 Thread garym

bertdw wrote: 
 
 Can I stream from my server with this setup?  I've never seen a 2TB
 iOS/Android device.

Yes, using iPeng I can stream to my iphone and ipad FROM MY 6TB SERVER. 
The iphone/ipad is not holding the music (just like SB players
themselves are not holding the music). And it will sync to my other
players and do gapless.  The only thing lacking at the moment is ipeng's
use of ReplayGain.  I'd also have to explore a way to get from
iphone/ipad to DAC in a bit perfect way. There are other threads
discussing the various docks, etc.



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Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-09-10 Thread 05mattjax

330791877767 eBay.



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Re: [slim] Squeezebox Hardware Support

2012-09-10 Thread bertdw

Thanks again for the replies and advice.



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Re: [slim] Squeezebox Hardware Support

2012-09-10 Thread bertdw

garym wrote: 
 Yes, using iPeng I can stream to my iphone and ipad FROM MY 6TB SERVER.

That's intriquing. I'll look into this.  Thank you very much.



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Re: [slim] Squeezebox Hardware Support

2012-09-10 Thread garym

bertdw wrote: 
 That's intriquing. I'll look into this.  Thank you very much.

you purchase ipeng and you separately purchase the play option. So
then you have ipeng as a CONTROLLER and ipeng as a PLAYER.



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Re: [slim] Logitech in US Selling the Transporter SE for $999.99

2012-09-10 Thread garym

SamS wrote: 
 Eh. I'd bite at $500, as a back up to my current TP.

i'd bite at $700



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Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] SqueezePlay for Mac OSX

2012-09-10 Thread ralphy

mherger wrote: 
  It is based on the 7.8 branch Jul 17, 2012 git check in which I've
  exported back to subversion as I really dislike git.
 
 What a pity (but trust me: git and I aren't friends yet either :-)). How
 
 much of a patch would this be to be merged back?
 
 -- 
 
 Michael
The entire delta since the git export is 17M and includes support for
Solaris SPARC, OpenIndiana Intel and ASIO/WASAPI for Windows.  I had to
update to SDL-1.2.15 as 1.2.13 wouldn't compile on OSX and it fixes
video flashing on Solaris and Linux.  Portaudio to now at the latest
svn trunk, I added a newer zlib and included portaudio v18 support for
Solaris.

The OSX changes are relatively small except for SDL 1.2.15.

If upgrading SDL is not an issue, I'd be happy to spin a mostly osx
only patch, including the device selection through environment variables
and a few endianess bug fixes and such that I've fixed.



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[slim] WSJ Article Today on Logitech

2012-09-10 Thread chenrikson

It seems as though the Wall Street Journal has an article in today's
paper discussing the various issues facing Logitech, including the
changes in product lines.  I don't have the paper, but could one of you
who does read the WSJ check out the article to see if there is anything
of interest to this group?

Thanks



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Re: [slim] WSJ Article Today on Logitech

2012-09-10 Thread garym

chenrikson wrote: 
 It seems as though the Wall Street Journal has an article in today's
 paper discussing the various issues facing Logitech, including the
 changes in product lines.  I don't have the paper, but could one of you
 who does read the WSJ check out the article to see if there is anything
 of interest to this group?
 
 Thanks

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1872396390443819404577637233269905306.html

With a quick scan, I see no mention of squeezeboxes or UE radio, or
networked music players in general.



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Re: [slim] Forseeing the future of mysb.com, squeezeboxes, etc.

2012-09-10 Thread pallfreeman

gruntwolla wrote: 
 
 Please tell me that was an attempt at sarcasm

Sarcastic, moi? ;)

If there's any ongoing promotion, either SB or UE, I'm not seeing it.
Seems like even Martin Brennan has better marketing than Logitech for
this kind of stuff.



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Re: [slim] Squeezebox Hardware Support

2012-09-10 Thread RonM

bertdw wrote: 
 Now that the Squeezebox line is gone, and its replacement doesn't even
 have a digital output, I'm in semi-panic mode.  What happens if my three
 year old Duet dies?  Can it be repaired?  By Logitech?  If I buy a Touch
 as a backup, can that be repaired?

I see at least two listings (with inventory) of the Duet on eBay (search
Squeezebox), from $280 for new to $180 for manufacturer refurbished. 


R.



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[slim] Squeezebox 2

2012-09-10 Thread RonM

I just saw a listing on eBay for a brand-new-in-box SB2 (clearly
identified as non-wifi).  I seldom see discussions of this device.  Who
can tell me if I should think about buying it for a relatively low
price?

R.



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Re: [slim] Squeezebox 2

2012-09-10 Thread aubuti

On the inside it's the same as an SB3, so if you're okay with the form
factor (sometimes compared to a 1970s era clock radio), it's as good as
an SB3/Classic. And it fits in a wider variety of spaces. I have two
SB2s in my collection and think they're great.

Be sure to confirm it's really an SB2. There have been several cases of
eBay sellers and others selling SBs (aka SB1s) as SB2s. The best way to
be sure is to look at the sticker on the bottom, or have the seller send
a photo. If it says Squeezebox2 then you're good. If it just says
Squeezebox, then it's an SB1, which is inferior in some ways.



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Re: [slim] Squeezebox 2

2012-09-10 Thread RonM

The picture is a Slim Devices promo pic, clearly saying Squeezebox 2,
showing what appears to be a wifi antenna at the back, despite the
assertion that the device is the non wifi model.

Since I've never seen one of these, it's hard for me to tell (I have
sent a note to the seller).  The item URL is:

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Slim-Devices-Squeezebox-2-Non-Wifi-/320978145442?pt=US_Internet_Media_Streamershash=item4abbc9d0a2#ht_500wt_1028

R.



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Re: [slim] Squeezebox 2

2012-09-10 Thread aubuti

Yeah, the promo picture is clearly an SB2, but that's no guarantee of
what's in the box. I hope the seller responds with some clear proof for
you. Failing that, it's up to your own eBay antennae to decide how
much you should count on the seller's 100% feedback (on only 13
transactions) and eBay's buyer protection policy. Personally, I would
probably take the chance.



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[slim] SB Radios -- many on ebay

2012-09-10 Thread RonM

I was just browsing ebay, avoiding doing work, and was astonished at the
number of SB Radios for sale.  Used, refurbished, new, from many
sellers, most of whom seem to have quite a lot of stock.

Significant variance in price, with the cheapest refurbished at $107
(before shipping), cheapest new at $146.  Highest is $219.  

I'm pretty sure the refurbished would be a satisfactory deal, as at
least some sellers offer 14 day returns.  

Very few Touches, a few older (SB3) units.

R.



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Re: [slim] Squeezebox 2

2012-09-10 Thread epoch1970

There is also (more expensive) a Logitech SB3 NiB for sale right now. 
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?96198-How-many-of-you-have-quot-spare-quot-squeezeboxesp=716876viewfull=1#post716876

Not sure the Logitech SB3 is built as well as the Slim ones.



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Re: [slim] Squeezebox 2

2012-09-10 Thread RonM

aubuti wrote: 
 Yeah, the promo picture is clearly an SB2, but that's no guarantee of
 what's in the box. I hope the seller responds with some clear proof for
 you. Failing that, it's up to your own eBay antennae to decide how
 much you should count on the seller's 100% feedback (on only 13
 transactions) and eBay's buyer protection policy. Personally, I would
 probably take the chance.

It appears to be an electronics store in a small city not far from where
I live.  My assumption is it's old stock they've had in a cupboard and
decided to off-load for what they can get.  I'd be surprised if it was a
rip-off.

It's purely hypothetical.  With two in-box new Touches and a stored Duet
Receiver and a spare Boom, I'm not likely to need this thing.  Just
intriguing, and a good price.

What I would like, though, is a standby Controller, and I see one
(refurbished) Duet on ebay for essentially the same price as the
Controllers being sold by themselves.

r.



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Re: [slim] Audible books on squeezebox?

2012-09-10 Thread RonM

For context, Audible is a company that sells audio books for various
mobile platforms, i.e. iPhone, Android, Blackberry, as well as selected
MP3 players.  It seems the purchased books are downloaded to the device,
and can be configured so that you can listen to a chapter, and then read
the next chapter on the screen, etc.  Nifty.  

It seems to require the presence of an app on the device, so even if you
could break the DRM it is unlikely it would work functionally as a
simple MP3 file. 

Their pricing model is interesting -- basically a subscription model
with a base price of $15 (there is a starter special deal) which gives
you one book a month, plus discounts on extra books. 

R.



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Re: [slim] Podcast issue

2012-09-10 Thread mpower9

bpa - Thanks for your help on this. I will take it up with the site.
Maybe they will get with the program.



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Re: [slim] Squeezebox Hardware Support

2012-09-10 Thread tusken

garym wrote: 
 Yes, using iPeng I can stream to my iphone and ipad FROM MY 6TB SERVER. 
 The iphone/ipad is not holding the music (just like SB players
 themselves are not holding the music). And it will sync to my other
 players and do gapless.  The only thing lacking at the moment is ipeng's
 use of ReplayGain.  I'd also have to explore a way to get from
 iphone/ipad to DAC in a bit perfect way. There are other threads
 discussing the various docks, etc.

thanks Gary, i didnt realise this either. so an ithing with a suitable
dock would be a fair replacement for my boom, for example ,and other
listening areas where i dont require it to be audiophile.  However, to
replace my touch (if it fails) playing 24/96 into my main system  with
an ithing i would, as you say, need to find a way of outputting digital
to a DAC, bit perfect. is that possible? has anyone else looked into
this aspect?

any replies would be helpful not just to me i am sure.



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Re: [slim] Squeezebox Hardware Support

2012-09-10 Thread garym

tusken wrote: 
 thanks Gary, i didnt realise this either. so an ithing with a suitable
 dock would be a fair replacement for my boom, for example ,and other
 listening areas where i dont require it to be audiophile.  However, to
 replace my touch (if it fails) playing 24/96 into my main system  with
 an ithing i would, as you say, need to find a way of outputting digital
 to a DAC, bit perfect. is that possible? has anyone else looked into
 this aspect?
 
 any replies would be helpful not just to me i am sure.

Already a thread on this here:

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?96304-Recommended-Docks-for-iPeng-Playbackhighlight=dock+pippin



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Re: [slim] Squeezebox 2

2012-09-10 Thread azinck3

Ask the seller to look on the bottom of the device itself.  There is a
tag there that will clearly mark it as a Squeezebox 2.  If it's a
Squeezebox 1 it will simply be labeled Squeezebox.



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Re: [slim] Logitech in US Selling the Transporter SE for $999.99

2012-09-10 Thread Ikabob

How good is the Transporter as far as quality sound? How much better
than the Touch? 

Thanks.



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[slim] Sky.fm and JazzRadio.com

2012-09-10 Thread norderney

If you have a subscription to the higher audio quality streams from
Sky.fm and JazzRadio.com, how do you access them using LMS and my
Transporter? I can listen to the standard audio streams by searching for
sky.fm and JazzRadio.com via the Radio function.



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Re: [slim] Sky.fm and JazzRadio.com

2012-09-10 Thread toby10

Install  configure (enter login info) those Apps from
www.MySqueezeBox.com
I know there is one for Sky, dunno about JazzRadio.



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Re: [slim] Squeezebox 2

2012-09-10 Thread JJZolx

I always preferred the form factor of the SB2 to that of the
SB3/Classic. Just maybe not as polished looking. Also, I have mine on
top of a tall kitchen cabinet, lifted in the back, with the screen
angled downward - something not quite as easily done with the SB3.

I -think- they produced the SB2 in both wifi and non-wifi models. As
someone else said, have the seller confirm that the device is a
Squeezebox2, which should be clearly shown on both the box and the label
on the bottom.



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Re: [slim] Sky.fm and JazzRadio.com

2012-09-10 Thread satkinsn

There's no jazzradio.com app for SB. However, you can get the URL of
each stream you want by going into settings and clicking on hardware
player.

s.



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Re: [slim] Logitech in US Selling the Transporter SE for $999.99

2012-09-10 Thread Wombat

I wouldn´t get another one, especialy since i did read Logitech is not
willing to repair any of these after warranty.
To bad it wasn´t cultivated further. This baby still plays nicely all
stuff up to 96kHz, has an alternate roll-off filter, is able to change
phase, has balanced out and some other nice gimmicks many so called
high-end boxes still miss.
Imagine that even the DSD downloads they start to offer now here and
there in theory as i understand it could be played natively with a
Transporter IF its firmare was offered by a serious audio manufacturer
and not a gaming mouse reseller.

To sad, really!



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Re: [slim] Squeezebox 2

2012-09-10 Thread aubuti

JJZolx wrote: 
 I -think- they produced the SB2 in both wifi and non-wifi models. 
Yes, they definitely produced the SB2 in both wifi and non-wifi models.
They initially did so with the SB3 as well, but later dropped the
non-wifi model sometime after the Logitech acquisition.



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Re: [slim] Logitech in US Selling the Transporter SE for $999.99

2012-09-10 Thread garym

Wombat wrote: 
 I wouldn´t get another one, especialy since i did read Logitech is not
 willing to repair any of these after warranty.
 To bad it wasn´t cultivated further. This baby still plays nicely all
 stuff up to 96kHz, has an alternate roll-off filter, is able to change
 phase, has balanced out and some other nice gimmicks many so called
 high-end boxes still miss.
 Imagine that even the DSD downloads they start to offer now here and
 there in theory as i understand it could be played natively with a
 Transporter IF its firmare was offered by a serious audio manufacturer
 and not a gaming mouse reseller.
 
 To sad, really!

I agree. I really like my Transporter. Good DAC (preferred over the
Benchmark DAC I it replaced in my main system). I like the build
quality, the balanced analog outs, etc. Would I buy another. Yes, if
really cheap (essentially I'd be buying a good DAC with the Squeezebox
thrown in for free).  But all in all, a TOUCH connected to a good DAC is
probably a much better bargain these days.



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Re: [slim] Logitech in US Selling the Transporter SE for $999.99

2012-09-10 Thread Wombat

garym wrote: 
 But all in all, a TOUCH connected to a good DAC is probably a much
 better bargain these days.
But this is an already dead horse, its over. I wonder myself the first
time about getting some LINN hardware if my Transporter dies.



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Re: [slim] Logitech in US Selling the Transporter SE for $999.99

2012-09-10 Thread garym

Wombat wrote: 
 But this is an already dead horse, its over. I wonder myself the first
 time about getting some LINN hardware if my Transporter dies.

I meant a better bargain than a transporter as an alternative. That
said, I've looked at LINN stuff, and the kinsky/upnp/dlna
control/backend doesn't come close to using SbS/LMS with a squeezebox. 
The cost doesn't put me off, but the lack of features is a real problem.



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Re: [slim] Logitech in US Selling the Transporter SE for $999.99

2012-09-10 Thread Mnyb

One very good thing about the TP is that it has built in analog
attenuation in some steps via jumpers , not many of the so called high
end brands will have this feature . This proves that the designer
understood things.



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Re: [slim] Logitech in US Selling the Transporter SE for $999.99

2012-09-10 Thread garym

Mnyb wrote: 
 One very good thing about the TP is that it has built in analog
 attenuation in some steps via jumpers , not many of the so called high
 end brands will have this feature . This proves that the designer
 understood things.

And with the Transporter,  I like that I don't have to think about the
decision of whether I connect my network media player to a good DAC with
S/PDIF, Optical, or USB.



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Re: [slim] Logitech in US Selling the Transporter SE for $999.99

2012-09-10 Thread jhonsber...@msn.com

No thanks on another Transporter that could end up functional only for
your music library down the road .



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Re: [slim] Logitech in US Selling the Transporter SE for $999.99

2012-09-10 Thread garym

jhonsber...@msn.com wrote: 
 No thanks on another Transporter that could end up functional only for
 your music library down the road .

hmmm, I could plug a SONOS into the digital input of the Transporter,
and play music services and internet radio via the SONOS and my own
music via the Transporter (not limited by 65k library or 16/44.1 files),
both using the same DAC, and can control it anywhere in my house, all
from my iphone or ipad, by selecting digital in on the ipeng control and
then switching over to the SONOS iphone controller app.  Actually this
is better than the other option I considered (if mysb.com goes away),
which would require me to change the input selection manually on the
preamp. Plus I don't need another DAC for the SONOS. It's a thought. 
;-0



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Re: [slim] Logitech in US Selling the Transporter SE for $999.99

2012-09-10 Thread Ikabob

garym wrote: 
 hmmm, I could plug a SONOS into the digital input of the Transporter,
 and play music services and internet radio via the SONOS and my own
 music via the Transporter (not limited by 65k library or 16/44.1 files),
 both using the same DAC, and can control it anywhere in my house, all
 from my iphone or ipad, by selecting digital in on the ipeng control and
 then switching over to the SONOS iphone controller app.  Actually this
 is better than the other option I considered (if mysb.com goes away),
 which would require me to change the input selection manually on the
 preamp. Plus I don't need another DAC for the SONOS. It's a thought. 
 ;-0

Yes, this sounds like a possibility should we be without LOGITECH LMS. I
have been looking over the SONOS line if products. I hope LOGITECH will
not force me down that route. I am a LOGITECH/Squeezebox fan and I'd be
VERY disappointed if the ecosystem would go away. VERY disappointed is
an understatement. I just don't think LOGITECH would do that to its
loyal customers. Thank you.



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Re: [slim] Logitech in US Selling the Transporter SE for $999.99

2012-09-10 Thread pallfreeman

garym wrote: 
 i'd bite at $700

Remind me never to bid against you on eBay...



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Re: [slim] Logitech in US Selling the Transporter SE for $999.99

2012-09-10 Thread garym

Ikabob wrote: 
 Yes, this sounds like a possibility should we be without LOGITECH LMS. I
 have been looking over the SONOS line of products. I hope LOGITECH will
 not force me down that route. I am a LOGITECH/Squeezebox fan and I'd be
 VERY disappointed if the ecosystem would go away. VERY disappointed is
 an understatement. I just don't think LOGITECH would do that to its
 loyal customers. Thank you.

logitech LMS will never go away. We have that software and can install
it on our own machines forevermore.  Of course, if newer verisons of
windows or OS, etc. won't run the old LMS, that's a different issue.
Although one can always run an older server with an old version of win7
or Mac OS etc.  The real issue is if mysqueezebox.com goes away or
becomes unuseable because it doesn't keep up with changes in the
services.  For playing one's own local files, one doesn't need logitech
or mysb.com.



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Re: [slim] Logitech in US Selling the Transporter SE for $999.99

2012-09-10 Thread garym

pallfreeman wrote: 
 Remind me never to bid against you on eBay...

I won an EBAY bid on an antique radio against Joe Walsh (James Gang 
The Eagles for you youngsters) and he said he same thing...   ;-0



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Re: [slim] Why Logitech SB is the best thing since sliced bread!

2012-09-10 Thread pallfreeman

w3wilkes wrote: 
 Was that a slam on us older folks with hearing aids?

YOU DIDN'T HEAR THAT, DID YOU?

 
 Or is it because Phonak hearing aids are one of the more geeky ones that
 users can do their own programming for if they want to? Or are you
 saying that since us older folk with hearing aids bought into Squeezebox
 we'd probably buy Phonak if Logitech bought Phonak?  ;-)

Yes. :)

I regret not buying the programmer for the Mrs.'s aid. It once got wet
and reverted to factory settings, although since it was still whistling
it must be working.

Like the UE's, this is realtime sensory modification. With a little bit
of imagination, Logitech could corner the market in mobile auditory
experience. Your Logitech Ultimate Phonaks could cut out background
noise, optimise for your surroundings, tailor your ambiance, eq to
taste, and let you hear the sound of your own voice louder than
everything else. With your LMS backend, there would be plugins available
which allowed you to selectively filter out things you didn't like, such
as politicians or management speaking... 

What?



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Re: [slim] Why Logitech SB is the best thing since sliced bread!

2012-09-10 Thread pallfreeman

Mnyb wrote: 
 You don't have to particularly old to be deaf if you are a musician ;)

I'm ageing one-eared. The bad ear has ~30% function, but an almost
flat frequency response. The brain compensates, but I suppose it means I
hear music differently to the non-disabled. I'm physically unable to
accept other people's terrible musical taste, especially interweb
wireless, and absolutely must have access to my own collection 24/7.

Which is why I use Logitech SB. :)



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