Re: [slim] 3D sound!
amazing, that is pretty great. -- iverson iverson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46462 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87437 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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aubuti;629438 Wrote: That was my first impression as well, although the wave track was much more extreme than StereoXL in expanding the width of the sound. I only listened on completely cheapo computer speakers attached to my monitor, but I thought the effect was more like widescreen 2D than 3D. I don't know the technical ins and outs, but isn't it basically about fiddling with the phasing of the two channels? It's really hard to form an impression without a treated and untreated sample to compare against! I'd also like to hear what happens when you press the mono button... that will instantly tell you if this involves any channel phase manipulation :-) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87437 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Yeah, looks like I was wrong about the 3D source material bit. Never the less, Logitech don't need to do anything to support material processed by this filter. -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87437 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I wonder if this 3D sound filtering process is CPU intensive or not. Can it be cheaply implemented? -- Bytec Bytec's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17676 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87437 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I think this is very similar to the StereoXL feature already on the Boom -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87437 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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bpa;629410 Wrote: I think this is very similar to the StereoXL feature already on the Boom That was my first impression as well, although the wave track was much more extreme than StereoXL in expanding the width of the sound. I only listened on completely cheapo computer speakers attached to my monitor, but I thought the effect was more like widescreen 2D than 3D. I don't know the technical ins and outs, but isn't it basically about fiddling with the phasing of the two channels? -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87437 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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rgro;628744 Wrote: This is actually pretty remarkable---even over my lowly computer speakers. My wife happened to be listening to NPR last night over our SB system/main speakers (I was not home) when they did a little segment on this fellow and played the water clip and some musicshe said it was truly mind-boggling. http://www.studio360.org/2011/apr/29/adventures-3d-sound/ Logitech ought to be all over this and incorporate it into SBS That is so good/realistic it's scary. Yes, it would be nice if Logitech investigated the possible use with the SBS!!! -- Ikabob Ikabob Squeezebox Touch w/SBS; SAE Amplifier;Marantz Pre-amp;ESS Heil Speakers(main listening speakers plus various additional speakers). Multiple players: SqueezeBooms,SqueezeRadios; SB3; Services:Rhapsody; Sky.com; JazzRadio.com services; Ipeng remote controller. Ikabob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32088 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87437 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Why would Logitech need to do anything ? The whole point of the technology is that it takes some sort of 3D source material and outputs a stereo audio stream that makes the soundstage sound 3D when played on two speakers. There is nothing for Logitech to do to support this. -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87437 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I was just listening to the audio article at the beginning, and the inventor said, By the way, the filter is not adding anything; *it's just taking away crosstalk*. If that's correct, then yes, it sounds like a company could implement this technology with a filter. -- Zonker92 Squeezebox Touch Dynaco Stereo 70 Altec 846Bs with 902 drivers and Z19 crossovers + Velodyne HGS-12 Zonker92's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46280 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87437 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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andynormancx;629352 Wrote: Why would Logitech need to do anything ? The whole point of the technology is that it takes some sort of 3D source material and outputs a stereo audio stream that makes the soundstage sound 3D when played on two speakers. There is nothing for Logitech to do to support this. You read/heard that differently than I did. That wasn't my understanding of how this would work in practice. What I understood is that this is an algorithm that can take ANY and all recorded 2D material and that material, when run through the algorithm, will come out---either as broadcast, or on a CD, movie track, etc.as 3D sound out of a 2 speaker setup. My assumption was---and perhaps naively due to my limited technical knowledge---was that the algorithm, like those used for DAC filters, etc...could, if that assumption was correct, then be incorporated into the SBS software. -- rgro Rick System information Main: PS Audio Quintet Vortexbox Touch (wired) via spdif coax Rega DAC Marantz PM8003 VA Mozart Grands REL Acoustics R305. Home Theatre: SBR (Wired) Pioneer VSX 919 Energy Take 5 Classic 5.1. SBS 7.5.4 r32298 running on a Vortexbox Appliance, V 1.8. Touch w/Hardware V.5. Touch: FW 7.5.4 r9408. Duet: FW 68. rgro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87437 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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andynormancx;629352 Wrote: Why would Logitech need to do anything ? The whole point of the technology is that it takes some sort of 3D source material and outputs a stereo audio stream that makes the soundstage sound 3D when played on two speakers. There is nothing for Logitech to do to support this. It seems to me that if water streams and birds sounds are so realistic, then orchestral works and concerts might also have some comparable additional degree of quality and authenticity. Perhaps I am not understanding exactly what 3D sound is all about. Thank you. -- Ikabob Ikabob Squeezebox Touch w/SBS; SAE Amplifier;Marantz Pre-amp;ESS Heil Speakers(main listening speakers plus various additional speakers). Multiple players: SqueezeBooms,SqueezeRadios; SB3; Services:Rhapsody; Sky.com; JazzRadio.com services; Ipeng remote controller. Ikabob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32088 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87437 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Yes, again, it sounds like a filter that could be used in any digital system: Drawing on some of the math in plasma physics, Choueiri devised a digital algorithm that cancels crosstalk transparently without changing the tonal quality of the sound. The brain naturally does the rest, allowing listeners to pinpoint the original placement of sound in space more like it would if we were hearing the real thing. Among efforts to develop 3D sound, Choueiris approach is unique in that it does not require specialized playback equipment. *The digital filter is designed to work on any stereo recording played through any pair of speakers.* -- Zonker92 Squeezebox Touch Dynaco Stereo 70 Altec 846Bs with 902 drivers and Z19 crossovers + Velodyne HGS-12 Zonker92's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46280 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87437 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Ikabob;629360 Wrote: It seems to me that if water streams and bird sounds are so realistic, then orchestral works and concerts might also have some comparable additional degree of quality and authenticity. Perhaps I am not understanding exactly what 3D sound is all about. Thank you. Yep...my wife said they played some Bach on the NPR broadcast and it was out of this world. -- rgro Rick System information Main: PS Audio Quintet Vortexbox Touch (wired) via spdif coax Rega DAC Marantz PM8003 VA Mozart Grands REL Acoustics R305. Home Theatre: SBR (Wired) Pioneer VSX 919 Energy Take 5 Classic 5.1. SBS 7.5.4 r32298 running on a Vortexbox Appliance, V 1.8. Touch w/Hardware V.5. Touch: FW 7.5.4 r9408. Duet: FW 68. rgro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87437 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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pski;628873 Wrote: There is another technology you will be interested in: It's call quadrophonic.. P Totally different technology. This 3D Sound comes from 2 speakers, not 4. You should listen (or relisten) to the broadcast. I listened on both my laptop and Boom. Outstanding! -- jeff52807 jeff52807's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34220 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87437 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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It isn't the first technology to offer 3D sound from two speakers and I'm sure it won't be the last. -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87437 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Didn't sound very exciting to me... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87437 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I suddenly have the urge to go to the bathroom... -- vrette (2) SB Touch, (1) SB3, (2) SB Radio, Cambridge Audio 840AV2, 340T, DacMagic, BW 683, HSU VFT2-MK3, Logitech Harmony 880, 7.6 on Asus E35M1-M PRO Win7 64 bit , and a bunch of other stuff... vrette's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87437 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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This is actually pretty remarkable---even over my lowly computer speakers. My wife happened to be listening to NPR last night over our SB system/main speakers (I was not home) when they did a little segment on this fellow and played the water clip and some musicshe said it was truly mind-boggling. http://www.studio360.org/2011/apr/29/adventures-3d-sound/ Logitech ought to be all over this and incorporate it into SBS -- rgro Rick System information Main: PS Audio Quintet Vortexbox Touch (wired) via spdif coax Rega DAC Marantz PM8003 VA Mozart Grands REL Acoustics R305. Home Theatre: SBR (Wired) Pioneer VSX 919 Energy Take 5 Classic 5.1. SBS 7.5.4 r32298 running on a Vortexbox Appliance, V 1.8. Touch w/Hardware V.5. Touch: FW 7.5.4 r9408. Duet: FW 68. rgro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87437 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I just read this and then listened. It truly is pretty amazing. I want this !! -- dasmueller dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87437 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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rgro;628744 Wrote: This is actually pretty remarkable---even over my lowly computer speakers. My wife happened to be listening to NPR last night over our SB system/main speakers (I was not home) when they did a little segment on this fellow and played the water clip and some musicshe said it was truly mind-boggling. http://www.studio360.org/2011/apr/29/adventures-3d-sound/ Logitech ought to be all over this and incorporate it into SBS There is another technology you will be interested in: It's call quadrophonic.. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87437 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
