Re: [slim] Attention Aussies and Brits!
Michael Herger;198953 Wrote: > > I used your plugin to find all of the strings, but editing them > didn't > > work for either the main set of strings or for plugins > > Something must be terribly wrong with it. You're not the first to > report > this, but I wasn't able to reproduce so far :-(. This makes the whole > > plugin rather useless Well I managed to get it to spit this out: Could not open /etc/slimserver-strings.txt for writing: Permission denied I'm running slimserver on Gentoo linux, using the official gentoo package. Slim::Utils::Prefs::preferencesPath() returns /etc slimserver does not have permission to create a file in /etc This behaviour is correct. The problem is that your plugin is wrongly assuming it can create and modify a file in preferencesPath(), which in my setup (and probably other linux setups) it can't. When I manually created /etc/slimserver-strings.txt and gave slimserver permission to alter it, the plugin started working as expected for built-in strings (the server's still ignoring the custom strings for plugins, but at least /etc/slimserver-strings.txt contains the requested modifications). I'd suggest adding an error message in the web interface that explains the problem and suggests manually creating the file. Or at least modify the installation instructions to mention this problem. Cheers -- bukharin bukharin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10859 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34865 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Attention Aussies and Brits!
> I used your plugin to find all of the strings, but editing them didn't > work for either the main set of strings or for plugins Something must be terribly wrong with it. You're not the first to report this, but I wasn't able to reproduce so far :-(. This makes the whole plugin rather useless > I realise that the plugins define their own strings in their source > code; I just thought that slimserver should load those strings, and > override them with custom-strings.txt. Thinking more about it in terms > of the plugin mechanism, that's quite unlikely (unfortunately). How But that's the way it is. Or at least I thought so... > does your plugin fix this? By hacking the source code of the other > plugins? No, it uses a custom-strings.txt file and forces the server to reload the files. -- Michael - http://www.herger.net/SlimCD - your SlimServer on a CD http://www.herger.net/slim - AlbumReview, Biography, MusicInfoSCR ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Attention Aussies and Brits!
Hi Michael, I used your plugin to find all of the strings, but editing them didn't work for either the main set of strings or for plugins (none of the changes were saved, or indeed even showed up in the web interface). I didn't have time to troubleshoot this last night when I last posted. I realise that the plugins define their own strings in their source code; I just thought that slimserver should load those strings, and override them with custom-strings.txt. Thinking more about it in terms of the plugin mechanism, that's quite unlikely (unfortunately). How does your plugin fix this? By hacking the source code of the other plugins? -- bukharin bukharin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10859 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34865 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Attention Aussies and Brits!
Buckharin, How about Scouse, Geordie, Cockney (both rhyming and not), Devonian, Cornish ;o) -- Paul_B Paul ~ Slimserver 6.5.2 on EPIA VIA EN15000 Mini-ITX running Windows 2003 R2. Remote storage QNAP(2.0.1T)~(300GB WD) SB3 (x1) RIP - dBpowerAMP R12 to FLAC ID3 Tags - MP3Tag v2.37i ~ Paul_B's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3039 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34865 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Attention Aussies and Brits!
> It doesn't seem to override the text in plugins (eg the visualizer Many plugins define their own string. Make sure you translate them as well. The StringEditor plugin can help you find the strings and translate them without restarting SlimServer ;-) -- Michael - http://www.herger.net/SlimCD - your SlimServer on a CD http://www.herger.net/slim - AlbumReview, Biography, MusicInfoSCR ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Attention Aussies and Brits!
bukharin;198816 Wrote: > When I get time I'll replace my "strings.txt" offering with a > "custom-strings.txt" for Australian localisation Done: http://www.bukharin.net/phil/linux/slimdevices/custom-strings/index.html It doesn't seem to override the text in plugins (eg the visualizer plugin). It probably should, so I wonder if that's a bug in slimserver whereby custom-strings.txt isn't given the highest priority when it should be? I'll look into this later. -- bukharin bukharin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10859 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34865 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Attention Aussies and Brits!
kdf;198324 Wrote: > I've been using custom-strings.txt for some time now to alter certain > strings. it avoids the need for a complete strings file saved over the > standard, and it isn't overwritten when you install a new version of > slimserver. Thanks for this, kdf - I wasn't aware of this function (shouldn't it at least be mentioned in the explanatory comments of string.txt?!) When I get time I'll replace my "strings.txt" offering with a "custom-strings.txt" for Australian localisation, since that's clearly a more elegant solution. If people stop bickering I may also make one for Canada, England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, New Zealand, South Africa... ;-) -- bukharin bukharin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10859 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34865 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Attention Aussies and Brits!
On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 01:51:27AM -0700, bukharin wrote: | |David Lawrence;198504 Wrote: |> Ahem. |> |> The correct spelling of visualize is visualize, as in the Oxford |> English dictionary. 'Visualise' is a faux-French bastardization. | |You're right, of course - and that's precisely why I deliberately |called it "Australian" English! The most common spelling of all |-ise/-ize words in Australia is -ise; indeed, the Macquarie Dictionary |(the closest Australia has to a definitive reference) lists the main |spelling as "visualise", with "visualize" as an alternative. For what its worth Fowler's Modern English Usage (Fowler is/was the editor of the OED for a long time) notes that either spelling is considered acceptable for the ize/ise verbs. The 'ize' form is the older form with the 'ise' drifting into use more recently. (And it is indeed a French influnce from their -iser verbs). Now let's debate putting the 'u' back into governour or Colbert's truthiness! ;-) |Now let's not start a flame war! No, lets not... E. (...and for the record, an Australian born German dual national!) ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Attention Aussies and Brits!
> NL as a top-six language? > I'm amazed... Willem told me as well. This probably represents Logitech's market share. Swiss German (not the dialect, but the Swiss spelling I was using so far) doesn't make it there. I wondered why nobody ever complaint about it :-). But now that there are pros at work it has to give way to proper German spelling... -- Michael - http://www.herger.net/SlimCD - your SlimServer on a CD http://www.herger.net/slim - AlbumReview, Biography, MusicInfoSCR ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Attention Aussies and Brits!
bukharin wrote: > David Lawrence;198504 Wrote: > >> Ahem. >> >> The correct spelling of visualize is visualize, as in the Oxford >> English dictionary. 'Visualise' is a faux-French bastardization. >> > > You're right, of course - and that's precisely why I deliberately > called it "Australian" English! The most common spelling of all > -ise/-ize words in Australia is -ise; indeed, the Macquarie Dictionary > (the closest Australia has to a definitive reference) lists the main > spelling as "visualise", with "visualize" as an alternative. > That settles it, you're all faux French bastards ;) > Now let's not start a flame war! > Too late now. Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Attention Aussies and Brits!
Michael Herger wrote: >> Any chance of getting this integrated into the server as a proper >> localisation so that it's kept in sync with server changes? >> > > There's an open feature request for doing this (including a possible > patch): > http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4828 > > Feel free to vote for it or whatever :-) > > As for now the localization is concentrating on the top six languages (DE, > ES, FR, HE, IT, NL) plus (what I guess is American) English. > NL as a top-six language? I'm amazed... Regards. Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Attention Aussies and Brits!
smc2911;198502 Wrote: > We Aussies use "tyre" but "lorry" is unusual (although understood) and > we don't use "crisps" (we eat chips and hot chips not crisps and > chips). Here, "chips" come in a bag with flavours (note spelling) like barbecue and salt & vinegar. What the Brits would call crisps. But a converted delivery van that makes and sells fries is known as a chipwagon. bukharin;198521 Wrote: > The most common spelling of all -ise/-ize words in Australia is -ise Same here, probably to make it more French as David suggests. However the French word for visualise is "visualiser", and we don't go so far as to put the "r" on the end. "Faux-French" as he points out. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34865 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Attention Aussies and Brits!
David Lawrence;198504 Wrote: > Ahem. > > The correct spelling of visualize is visualize, as in the Oxford > English dictionary. 'Visualise' is a faux-French bastardization. You're right, of course - and that's precisely why I deliberately called it "Australian" English! The most common spelling of all -ise/-ize words in Australia is -ise; indeed, the Macquarie Dictionary (the closest Australia has to a definitive reference) lists the main spelling as "visualise", with "visualize" as an alternative. Now let's not start a flame war! -- bukharin bukharin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10859 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34865 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Attention Aussies and Brits!
bukharin;198287 Wrote: > > > * "visualize" to "visualise" > > Ahem. The correct spelling of visualize is visualize, as in the Oxford English dictionary. 'Visualise' is a faux-French bastardization. -- David Lawrence David Lawrence's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4352 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34865 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Attention Aussies and Brits!
Mark Lanctot;198317 Wrote: > Nearly the same in Canada as well... > About the only words we don't use that Brits do is "tyre", "lorry" and > "crisps". We Aussies use "tyre" but "lorry" is unusual (although understood) and we don't use "crisps" (we chips and hot chips not crisps and chips). -- smc2911 smc2911's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34865 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Attention Aussies and Brits!
Marc Sherman;198301 Wrote: > Ahem. First of all, your subject is missing some subjects (of the Queen, > > that is). Second of all, it's not Australian English, mate. :) Yeah, I thought that would get your attention!! ;-) > An updated strings.txt for server 6.5.1 can be found at my website: > http://www.bukharin.net/phil/linux/slimdevices/ > Any chance of getting this integrated into the server as a proper > localisation so that it's kept in sync with server changes? > > - Marc I'd be happy to be a maintainer for such a "translation", but see kdf's post... amcluesent;198312 Wrote: > Have you changed "Welcome to Squeezebox" to "G'day cobber!" :) I was tempted to do that to see if anyone noticed :) -- bukharin bukharin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10859 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34865 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Attention Aussies and Brits!
bukharin;198287 Wrote: > For anyone who's interested, I've changed all of the English text in > strings.txt to Australian English... > > * "favorite" to "favourite" > * "visualize" to "visualise" > * "customize" to "customise" > * "synchronize" to "synchronise" > * "analyzer" to "analyser" > * "analog" to "analogue" > > Isn't this is actually changing from American spelling to British spelling? (Australia having some distant connection with Britain, their two languages have vestigial similarities!) -- Diana -- Diana Diana's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7463 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34865 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Attention Aussies and Brits!
> I've been using custom-strings.txt for some time now to alter certain > strings. it avoids the need for a complete strings file saved over the > standard, and it isn't overwritten when you install a new version of > slimserver. ...and using my StringEditor plugin you can even handle this without caring about the required file format ;-) -- Michael - http://www.herger.net/SlimCD - your SlimServer on a CD http://www.herger.net/slim - AlbumReview, Biography, MusicInfoSCR ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Attention Aussies and Brits!
> Any chance of getting this integrated into the server as a proper > localisation so that it's kept in sync with server changes? There's an open feature request for doing this (including a possible patch): http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4828 Feel free to vote for it or whatever :-) As for now the localization is concentrating on the top six languages (DE, ES, FR, HE, IT, NL) plus (what I guess is American) English. -- Michael - http://www.herger.net/SlimCD - your SlimServer on a CD http://www.herger.net/slim - AlbumReview, Biography, MusicInfoSCR ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Attention Aussies and Brits!
On 29-Apr-07, at 7:22 AM, Marc Sherman wrote: >> An updated strings.txt for server 6.5.1 can be found at my website: >> http://www.bukharin.net/phil/linux/slimdevices/ > > Any chance of getting this integrated into the server as a proper > localisation so that it's kept in sync with server changes? > There is always a chance, but it's not as simple as it may seem. The translations are all based on the ISO 639 codes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639_codes As you can see, there isn't an official code for the variants of English, so to do it would require an overhaul of the language handling. I've been using custom-strings.txt for some time now to alter certain strings. it avoids the need for a complete strings file saved over the standard, and it isn't overwritten when you install a new version of slimserver. -kdf ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Attention Aussies and Brits!
bukharin;198287 Wrote: > * "favorite" to "favourite" > * "visualize" to "visualise" > * "customize" to "customise" > * "synchronize" to "synchronise" > * "analyzer" to "analyser" > * "analog" to "analogue" Nearly the same in Canada as well. You also see "hard disc". Although I don't see "analogue" all that often, it's probably preferred here as well because it's the same word in French. About the only words we don't use that Brits do is "tyre", "lorry" and "crisps". -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34865 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Attention Aussies and Brits!
>If you find anything I've missed, please let me know!< Have you changed "Welcome to Squeezebox" to "G'day cobber!" :) -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34865 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Attention Aussies and Brits!
bukharin wrote: > For anyone who's interested, I've changed all of the English text in > strings.txt to Australian English. This means that "favorites" becomes > "favourites", etc. It's nice to have everything look correct! Ahem. First of all, your subject is missing some subjects (of the Queen, that is). Second of all, it's not Australian English, mate. :) > An updated strings.txt for server 6.5.1 can be found at my website: > http://www.bukharin.net/phil/linux/slimdevices/ Any chance of getting this integrated into the server as a proper localisation so that it's kept in sync with server changes? - Marc ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Attention Aussies and Brits!
For anyone who's interested, I've changed all of the English text in strings.txt to Australian English. This means that "favorites" becomes "favourites", etc. It's nice to have everything look correct! An updated strings.txt for server 6.5.1 can be found at my website: http://www.bukharin.net/phil/linux/slimdevices/ If you want to do it yourself for another server version, it's really easy. For reference, these are the changes I made to the English text in strings.txt: * "favorite" to "favourite" * "visualize" to "visualise" * "customize" to "customise" * "synchronize" to "synchronise" * "analyzer" to "analyser" * "analog" to "analogue" Of course, I changed all the variations too (such as Favorite/Favorites/favorites). I decided to leave "hard disk" alone, since that's pretty much the standard spelling in Australia. If you find anything I've missed, please let me know! -- bukharin bukharin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10859 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34865 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
