Re: [slim] I HAVE SEEN THE FUTURE! It doesn't look good ...
Mnyb wrote: ... drat ! That I did not took the opportunity to try when mysb.com was down. You can just change the IP address mysb resolves to, either in the hosts file of the server or, if you have a firewall that can intercept DNS requests, there. bobkoure's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97012 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] I HAVE SEEN THE FUTURE! It doesn't look good ...
bobkoure wrote: You can just change the IP address mysb resolves to, either in the hosts file of the server or, if you have a firewall that can intercept DNS requests, there. It solved itself, i got the oportunity to try , triode spotify works just fine without mysb.com Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97012 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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castalla wrote: Today's SB outage gives us a taste of the future without MySB.com. Squeezebox maintained by Logitech isn't the long term future, we just need it to live long enough until someone else (or Logitech) comes up with something better, hopefully Logitech will keep MySB.com alive until this happens. For what it's worth, UE Smart Radio users would be in a much worse situation, they wouldn't even be able to play local music if the central uesmartradio.com service goes down. That being said, it's not impossible that you might be able to use your Squeezebox hardware in a future solution, the Touch and Radio can be used with custom firmware after all, but I'm pretty sure the future primarily will be based on other hardware, it can't be based primarily on Squeezebox hardware since new Squeezebox hardware isn't sold anymore. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97012 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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castalla wrote: At the very least, Tunein should be independent of mysb.com. As far as I know, Tunein on other systems is not dependent on a 3rd party connection? It's not a problem to have third party streaming services depending on a central cloud server, if the software isn't maintained it doesn't matter if it's installed on your local device/computer or in a central cloud server, if it isn't maintained it will stop working either way. A local Tunein plugin which isn't working wouldn't be any better than a non working Tunein module on a central server. The general issue with many streaming services is that you aren't allowed to publish any details of their API, in many cases you have to sign a NDA to get access to the API, Tunein is one example of this. So if it's installed locally it would likely have to be a closed source module which is still maintained by Logitech and if that stops working due to a Tunein API change and Logitech doesn't want to fix it we wouldn't be in any better situation. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97012 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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You are entirely right. I think you'll find that most here think that Logitech's decision to make services on their players dependent on MSB was an atrocious one. At the time they made it (during development of the radio?) All the beta testers advised against it. I don't think that anyone save some stupid Logitech manager thought it was a good idea. However it is the sort of short-sighted, short-term, immediate-revenue-led decision we have come to expect from this mediocre company. ___ Somewhere something incredible is waiting to happen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97012 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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ModelCitizen wrote: I think you'll find that most here think that Logitech's decision to make the functionality of their players so heavily dependent on MSB was an atrocious one. At the time they made it (during development of the duet, radio?) All the beta testers advised against it. I don't think that anyone save some stupid Logitech manager thought it was a good idea. However it is the sort of short-sighted, short-term, immediate-revenue-led decision we have come to expect from this mediocre company. +1 IMHO the abandonment of squeezebox is a decision based on how the product line is doing generally, but how the product line is doing generally is a function of poor management and decisions taken with the line since Logitech took it over. Particularly the quality of the software. I dunno even how my boxes are supposed to work anymore, I just press buttons and hope it does what I think it should. If this happened to UE, I am sure there'll be a lot going back to the shop. Maybe the UE central software whatever-it-is is a lot more reliable but seeing as logitech failed to make MSB reliable/userfriendly (and their solution was to abandon!?) I am sure UE will be a similar mess. tin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7125 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97012 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] I HAVE SEEN THE FUTURE! It doesn't look good ...
ModelCitizen wrote: ... Logitech's decision to make the functionality of their players so heavily dependent on MSB was an atrocious one. ... I don't think that anyone save some stupid Logitech manager thought it was a good idea. ... it is the sort of short-sighted, short-term, immediate-revenue-led decision we have come to expect from this mediocre company. The trend is called Cloud Computing ... ... and all the marketing lemmings want to (nay -have- to) plaster this acronym on their products ... The good news (for lemming-kind) is that not all lemmings plunge to an icy death; a few always make it to start the next generation... AndrewFG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97012 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Is it possible to connect a smartphone, as an input source, to the Squeezebox Touch? I was thinking that, post-mysb.com, if one could connect an old smartphone which can play TuneIn Radio or Spotify or any other service, then one could remotely control that phone with ones other smartphone. Is it possible to connect a smartphone to the Touch? ButC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57330 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97012 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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castalla wrote: Today's SB outage gives us a taste of the future without MySB.com. Switching to local LMS, the only radio app which I could use was BBC iPlayer. Tunein is crippled and can't get playable streams. I didn't test other apps plugins but it was a frustrating experience enough. LMS Tunein without mysb.com works OK for me - at the moment this problem seems to isolated to Tune-in playing BBC station by UK users unless other users have more info. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97012 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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ButC wrote: Is it possible to connect a smartphone, as an input source, to the Squeezebox Touch? no ButC wrote: be easier to just attach the old smartphone directly to the receiver, wouldn't it? yes toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97012 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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castalla wrote: You are too sanguine! How many ordinary Radio users: 1. Have LMS installed on a local server? 2. Have any idea what stream url they need to enter in the appropriate section of LMS? At the very least, Tunein should be independent of mysb.com. As far as I know, Tunein on other systems is not dependent on a 3rd party connection? I'm not an ordinary user, but from the beginning I have always found and saved URLs of my favorite internet radio streams as FAVORITES in my local LMS so that I would always be independent of any app. Another reason is that I use these URLs also in Foobar2000 (my windows audio player on my laptop). This said, I'd be very disappointed if I couldn't access MOG or something similar and my wife would hate losing SiriusXM. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97012 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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bpa wrote: LMS Tunein without mysb.com works OK for me - at the moment this problem seems to isolated to Tune-in playing BBC station by UK users unless other users have more info. Just tried various stations - I'm in the UK. Can't connect to mysb, but any stations I tried worked including some BBC. I tried via saved favourites and via the menu, Radio Local London All Stations. BBC2, BBC4, BBC6 all worked OK - reported as File format: AAC bonze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6150 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97012 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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erland wrote: It's not a problem to have third party streaming services depending on a central cloud server, if the software isn't maintained it doesn't matter if it's installed on your local device/computer or in a central cloud server, if it isn't maintained it will stop working either way. A local Tunein plugin which isn't working wouldn't be any better than a non working Tunein module on a central server. The general issue with many streaming services is that you aren't allowed to publish any details of their API, in many cases you have to sign a NDA to get access to the API, Tunein is one example of this. So if it's installed locally it would likely have to be a closed source module which is still maintained by Logitech and if that stops working due to a Tunein API change and Logitech doesn't want to fix it we wouldn't be in any better situation. Yes it will , if the central server goes down it's dead for everyone if it runs locally on everyone's server a failure only affects one machine , the slow death of lack maintainnance is another issue . In an ideal world a local plugin would be open source'sh and not depend on single company to live on . Tune in may have been a bad example if they as you say don't allow access to thier API without NDA and other draconian measures. But is thier any constants in internet radio it's still a very immature bussiness , for example they are allowed to change URL constantly if a teristial station changed it's frequency haphazardly they would be forced to shut down :) An there seems be no standards and services comes and goes weekly , there is always some new semi legal free streaming service starting up etc it's a zoo . Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97012 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Mnyb wrote: Yes it will , if the central server goes down it's dead for everyone if it runs locally on everyone's server a failure only affects one machine , the slow death of lack maintainnance is another issue . Correct, but it would really just make it work a bit longer, if it's not maintained it's going to break eventually, it's just a matter of time. The advantage of being able to play music without a computer powered on is big for most people, because most people are getting tablets and wireless connected laptops these days and neither is really optimized for usage as a local server. Mnyb wrote: Tune in may have been a bad example if they as you say don't allow access to thier API without NDA and other draconian measures. Most streaming services I've looked at requires a NDA if Logitech would do it, the reason is that some allows non commercial usage without a NDA, but if Logitech or some other company earning money on music streaming equipment does it it's going to be considered commercial and would need a NDA. An free plugin by an individual third party developer would probably not be considered to be commercial and would be possible without a NDA if the streaming service have a public API available. TuneIn only expose its official API to commercial partners, but as mentioned by others previously in the thread some TuneIn streams might work without mysqueezebox.com as I've understood it. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97012 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I'm new to the forum as I had only recently bought a SB Radio Touch after many years of thinking of getting an SB device. Can't believe how it's turned out! I mainly listen to Spotify but also a couple of Internet stations including 6 Music - Can anyone shed any light on the following: 1) I get that the Radio stations could still be accessed directly by url but what solutions are there for Spotify support if MySB.com goes down or is pulled completely? 2) Is someone working to mod to the operating system to make it work independently of MySB.com or via an alternative url? If it could be made to be independent on Logitech there seems to be a really solid community to keep these great devices stable and usable, would be keen to contribute if helps. cheers, Simon oddball's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57822 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97012 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Spotify use triodes spotify plugin for the LMS server ,but configure it to show up in the radios menu instead of apps . This should work even today, drat ! That I did not took the opportunity to try when mysb.com was down. Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97012 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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oddball wrote: 1) I get that the Radio stations could still be accessed directly by url but what solutions are there for Spotify support if MySB.com goes down or is pulled completely? There is a third party Spotify which you can install in LMS running on a computer on your local network, this will work without mysqueezebox.com. oddball wrote: 2) Is someone working to mod to the operating system to make it work independently of MySB.com or via an alternative url? I can't go into any details regarding this at this time, but I generally believe in the market forces and if there are users available that are willing to pay for something, someone is eventually going to provide a satisfying solution to the problem. oddball wrote: If it could be made to be independent on Logitech there seems to be a really solid community to keep these great devices stable and usable, would be keen to contribute if helps. I don't think you should expect someone to provide a long term solution for free, maintaining and supporting a similar solution either as locally installed software or as a third party cloud server is likely going to require too much work for someone to provide it for free without any way to earn money on it. So there need to be some business perspective behind it to make it a good long term solution. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97012 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Mnyb wrote: Spotify use triodes spotify plugin for the LMS server ,but configure it to show up in the radios menu instead of apps . This should work even today, drat ! That I did not took the opportunity to try when mysb.com was down. At the moment when I test my Network connection on the either device it says that the connection to mysqueezebox.com is not ok (understatement!) - Is the connection working for others? If I can't connect am I able to install the Triode Spotify Plugin? oddball's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57822 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97012 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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oddball wrote: If I can't connect am I able to install the Triode Spotify Plugin? You might have to configure his repository URL directly since the default repository url's are hosted on mysqueezebox.com at the moment. His direct repository url is: Code: http://triodeplugins.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/repo.xml erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97012 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] I HAVE SEEN THE FUTURE! It doesn't look good ...
oddball wrote: At the moment when I test my Network connection on the either device it says that the connection to mysqueezebox.com is not ok (understatement!) - Is the connection working for others? If I can't connect am I able to install the Triode Spotify Plugin? Ok I already have it installed on my LMS server . Do you run a local LMS server ,if you don't you can't use this plugin It may be a setback to be required to run a local software on a NAS or computer for some people . Maybe today is not the best day to install, wonder if you still could add plugin repos without mysb.com I don't know which one in this case Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97012 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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erland wrote: There is a third party Spotify which you can install in LMS running on a computer on your local network, this will work without mysqueezebox.com. Would ideally like a solution that would not require running a local server erland wrote: I can't go into any details regarding this at this time, but I generally believe in the market forces and if there are users available that are willing to pay for something, someone is eventually going to provide a satisfying solution to the problem. I don't think you should expect someone to provide a long term solution for free, maintaining and supporting a similar solution either as locally installed software or as a third party cloud server is likely going to require too much work for someone to provide it for free without any way to earn money on it. So there need to be some business perspective behind it to make it a good long term solution. Agree, would still be willing to help in producing a solution. oddball's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57822 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97012 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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bonze wrote: Just tried various stations - I'm in the UK. Can't connect to mysb, but any stations I tried worked including some BBC. I tried via saved favourites and via the menu, Radio Local London All Stations. BBC2, BBC4, BBC6 all worked OK - reported as File format: AAC Castalla's problems seem to be with the BBC WMA streams not the AAC ones. Did you do anything special to get AAC rather than WMA ? such as disable WMA native. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97012 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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bpa wrote: Castalla's problems seem to be with the BBC WMA streams not the AAC ones. Did you do anything special to get AAC rather than WMA ? such as disable WMA native. Not that I'm aware of, in fact I can't see any formats disabled in Advanced File Types. Isn't AAC higher up the food chain?? My BBC6 favourite: http://opml.radiotime.com/Tune.ashx?id=s44491formats=aac,ogg,mp3,wmpro,wma,wmvoice,realpartnerId=16serial=... (I blanked the serial part as I'm not sure if it is tied to me somehow) bonze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6150 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97012 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] I HAVE SEEN THE FUTURE! It doesn't look good ...
Today's SB outage gives us a taste of the future without MySB.com. The only radio app which I could use was BBC iPlayer. Tunein is crippled and can't get playable streams. I didn't test other apps plugins but it was a frustrating experience enough. I wonder how many Radio users (without local LMS access) are tearing their hair out castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97012 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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castalla wrote: I wonder how many Radio users (without local LMS access) are tearing their hair out It is what it is. Without MySB.com you will just have to access the streams by the url via LMS. So quit tearing your hair out. It is not a good thing to do if you value your personal appearance. Jeff52's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=103 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97012 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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You are too sanguine! How many ordinary Radio users: 1. Have LMS installed on a local server? 2. Have any idea what stream url they need to enter in the appropriate section of LMS? At the very least, Tunein should be independent of mysb.com. As far as I know, Tunein on other systems is not dependent on a 3rd party connection? castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97012 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
