Re: [slim] If this thing could only manage music...

2008-08-02 Thread allmywebsite1

hi...
i had used this and its works as a winamp
iits effect are also good.
soubd clearity and fine to listen...
its really good.


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Re: [slim] If this thing could only manage music...

2008-07-27 Thread pichonCalavera

I don't mind using external programs for organizing and tagging my music
(musicbrainz picard, mp3tag, foobar2000), because I like the idea of the
read-only access from Squeezecenter. 

But these past days I used Amarok for a while again after many months
using only Squeezecenter, and I must say it was a breeze manipulating
the current playlist in Amarok, when I sit down to listen to some
music, I change my current playlist a lot, I add some albums, I delete
some songs, I listen, I decide I want to listen some song first, so I
rearrange the current playlist, then I add another album... etc. This
process is very very tedious with the Web gui from Squeezecenter in
comparision to Desktop music players like Amarok or Winamp. 

Moose is a great app, but unfortunetly is Windows-only.


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Re: [slim] If this thing could only manage music...

2008-07-27 Thread amcluesent

I've been using Firetongue Software OrangeCD as a music librarian, very
happy how it scans and catalogue the files, plus you can add amounts of
additional info into it's database. The PC client app. has a good
integration to any Sqeezecenter, so you can click on any music and have
it playing from the server to a player you select.


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Re: [slim] If this thing could only manage music...

2008-06-19 Thread egd

brdbointx;310620 Wrote: 
 I really only have one real request for Squeeze center - I would like
 for them to integrate some type of analytical system for songs that
 creates playlists on the fly. On squeezenetwork, using the Mp3tunes
 system allows for smart playlists (powered by AMG technology) by artist
 and by current song. I also has a set of pre-built moods like dinner
 music, etc.   That'd be my audio nirvana too, I've discussed it here many 
 times in
the past, but it would seem there's no appetite for it - probably
because it would involve customers having to pay for the AMG piece
(which I'd happily do).

brdbointx;310620 Wrote: 
 Even if running on a windows or mac system you still need to have the
 Music IP program running -- that is just a pain in the rear.  Not quite true 
 - it can be run headless as a service interacting with
SC in the background. Have a look at
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter.
FWIW I have MiP running headless on my NAS (it's architecture is Intel
based though).


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Re: [slim] If this thing could only manage music...

2008-06-19 Thread Nonreality

egd;313556 Wrote: 
 That'd be my audio nirvana too, I've discussed it here many times in the
 past, but it would seem there's no appetite for it - probably because it
 would involve customers having to pay for the AMG piece (which I'd
 happily do).
 
 Not quite true - it can be run headless as a service interacting with
 SC in the background. Have a look at
 http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter.
 FWIW I have MiP running headless on my NAS (it's architecture is Intel
 based though).
Whats the difference, it's still running a separate program whether
it's headless or GUI. Either way adds more complexity.   You're just
talking terminology. A fully intergrated system in this case would be
better.


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Re: [slim] If this thing could only manage music...

2008-06-19 Thread egd

Nonreality;313564 Wrote: 
 Whats the difference, it's still running a separate program whether it's
 headless or GUI. Either way adds more complexity.   You're just talking
 terminology. A fully intergrated system in this case would be better.
Agree a fully integrated solution would be better, however, in case the
OP wasn't aware that you could run headless integration I thought I'd
point it out.  In future I shall aim to be more precise.


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Re: [slim] If this thing could only manage music...

2008-06-13 Thread Peter



Mike New wrote:
egd;310591 Wrote: 
  

What would you like to see it do, rattle off the features list.



Thanks for asking.  Here is a quick  dirty list.  To see how these
might might look on the actual interface, reference iTunes,
MediaMonkey, Media Player.

1. List the library in its entirety on one screen, with sortable
columns for Title, Album, Artist, Genre, Length, etc.  MediaMonkey also
shows the source path as a column, which I think is a major bonus for
large libraries.

2. When searching, use the same screen as above, narrowing the results
as the user enters characters.

3. Add a new playlist without affecting the currently active playlist,
and eliminate the need to explicitly save the new playlist.

4. Drag (or right-click-add) songs to the new playlist.  Sequentially
number the songs in a playlist (this simplifies re-ordering on long
lists.)  As a side feature, make all playlists always visible so a song
can be easily moved to any playlist.

5.  Allow any playlist to be displayed and edited without affecting the
active (playing) playlist.  Again, just auto-save instead of requiring
an explicit step.

6.  Allow tag editing (right-click on Properties, Info, etc.) for all
major formats.  Filename editing would also be cool -- useful for
fixing typos, etc.
  


IMHO most of these things are hard to achieve in a browser interface. 
We're running into the limitations of a browser as a client. SoftSqueeze 
doesn't make things much better because it tries to be just like a 
player (with its user interface limitations) and SqueezePlay will 
probably suffer from the same problems by trying to be a Controller. 
What we need is a good PC based client that makes optimal use of a PC's 
memory, mouse and keyboard and acts as a client to the SqueezeCenter 
server. Something like Moose, I haven't tried Moose for a while so 
perhaps Moose is what I'm looking for.


Bottom line is that the Slim PC-experience is rather slim.

X.


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Re: [slim] If this thing could only manage music...

2008-06-13 Thread Dr Lovegrove
2008/6/13 Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Something like Moose, I haven't
 tried Moose for a while so perhaps Moose is what I'm looking for.

FWIW, Moose's offline playlist editing still isn't quite there yet.. It can
only really edit the currently playing playlist..

I do plan on adding proper offline support shortly though. I've been
working on re-coding the way the current playlist is displayed,
making the control a little more generic along the way.. This'll mean
displaying and editing offline playlists should be much easier to
implement..

Meanwhile, the more I procrastine, the better the CLI gets, so the
more stuff it'll be able to do.. :-)

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Re: [slim] If this thing could only manage music...

2008-06-13 Thread bobkoure

I'm another one of those folks who really, (and I mean -really-) don't
want any web-based app to have write access to my music collection.
Somebody manages to break in, there's no mess for me to have to clean
up.

I wouldn't mind if there was some way to add a track/album to a fix
tags later to-do list. Yes, I realize I could
- open a playlist with current to-dos
- add the offending track/album
- save
... but that's way more complicated than just writing on a piece of
paper.


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Re: [slim] If this thing could only manage music...

2008-06-13 Thread aubuti

bobkoure;311491 Wrote: 
 I wouldn't mind if there was some way to add a track/album to a fix
 tags later to-do list. Yes, I realize I could
 - open a playlist with current to-dos
 - add the offending track/album
 - save
 ... but that's way more complicated than just writing on a piece of
 paper.
A lot of people use the Zapped Songs playlist for doing this. I'm not
one of them, so I forget the details, but I think it's as simple as
selecting the offending track in a playlist and hitting the + key. A
big limitation is that the offending track has to be *in* the playlist.
If you happen to spot the erroneous tags when browsing tracks you would
need to add the track to the playlist and then zap it, which is just as
cumbersome as what you've described.


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Re: [slim] If this thing could only manage music...

2008-06-11 Thread Nonreality

aubuti;310651 Wrote: 
 Personally, I'm extremely happy that SC doesn't manage my music my
 library. Knowing that it only has read-only access to my library
 (except playlists, although I could lock that down too if I wished)
 means I can turn over the remote or keyboard or whatever to friends and
 family and know that they can't muck anything up and send me scrambling
 for my backup disk. 
 
 Software like mp3tag, MusicIP, iTunes, Media Monkey, J River, etc does
 all or most of the tasks listed here. Putting it all in SC just means
 bloat. I'm sure others will continue to prefer the Swiss army knife
 approach, and I don't imagine I'll persuade them otherwise. But imho
 you can't beat a proper knife, screwdriver, and corkscrew.
 
 Btw, on the save-to-a-different-playlist request, check out the
 Playlist Manager plugin. It doesn't do exactly what the OP wants, but
 it gets you part way there.Totally agree with you.  I use dBpoweramp(ripping 
 and
conversion)Mediamonkey(organization some tagging, though don't use it a
lot now) mp3tag (super program-tagging) Squeezecenter (Playing).  I also
use the best file manager out there, Directory Opus.  The combo of these
programs allow me to do much more than one Swiss army approach could and
much better.


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[slim] If this thing could only manage music...

2008-06-10 Thread Mike New

I'm a long-time, multiple-Squeezebox user, and will be the first to say
there is much to love about this system.  But despite the power and
flexibility of the software, its poor music management continues to
frustrate me.

For example, I have a large music library, and often just hit random
play for the adventure of what might come next.  Sometimes a
particularly good tune comes up, and I'd like to save it to a different
best stuff playlist.  

Using practically any other software - iTunes, Media Player,
MediaMonkey - I can simply drag a playing song to another playlist. 
Not so with SqueezeCenter.  The best I can do is add it to Favorites,
and then later add each song to a new playlist.  To do this, I must
first open the playlist I'm going to add to, then individually add each
song, waiting several seconds for each add, then re-save the playlist. 


On the other hand, I can now drag-and drop to rearrange song order! 
Thank you! Thank you!

Still, this is really cumbersome.  Despite being arguably the best
digital music system on the market, SqueezeCenter is still getting
spanked on basic user interface features and music management
capabilities (like tagging). Sure, I can work-around many of these
issues, but after all these years, isn't it time for a contemporary
Windows and/or Mac interface?  (Yeah, I know.  Open Systems and all
that.  Forgive me if I selfishly want software optimized for my
mainstream operating system.)

Why bring this up again?  Because I really want to buy another system,
and don't know what to choose.  SqueezeStuff wins hands-down on almost
every feature - except for the basic things I want to do with my music.
iTunes has a great interface, but can't handle FLAC or decent remote
control (without a TV).  MediaMonkey relies on my PC speakers.
Etcetera.

I'll probably spring for another Logitech system, because it is still
the overall best choice for me.  But why not make this decision a
slam-dunk by adding some cool (competitive) music management features
for Windows and Mac?  I'd be happy to provide specific suggestions...


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Re: [slim] If this thing could only manage music...

2008-06-10 Thread MrSinatra

what surprises me is that no one has taken the open source SC server,
and made it a plugin for something like winamp.

i wouldn't have the foggiest idea about how to go about that, but it
seems to me that an app like winamp could do all the user/os stuff, and
the plugin would then handle the server/tcp-ip bit.

i'm sure some features would be lost along the way, but even just a no
frills plugin that just let me play winamp on just one of my SBs would
be a god send.


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Re: [slim] If this thing could only manage music...

2008-06-10 Thread Nostromo

Mike New;310536 Wrote: 
 I'm a long-time, multiple-Squeezebox user, and will be For example, I
 have a large music library, and often just hit random play for the
 adventure of what might come next.  Sometimes a particularly good tune
 comes up, and I'd like to save it to a different best stuff playlist.

You can do that with Erland's plugins. If there's a song you like, rate
it (say) 4 stars, and then configure a dynamic playlist that includes
all and only songs that are rated 4 stars and more (or whatever you
want).

 Still, this is really cumbersome.  Despite being arguably the best
 digital music system on the market, SqueezeCenter is still getting
 spanked on basic user interface features and music management
 capabilities (like tagging). Sure, I can work-around many of these
 issues, but after all these years, isn't it time for a contemporary
 Windows and/or Mac interface?  (Yeah, I know.  Open Systems and all
 that.  Forgive me if I selfishly want software optimized for my
 mainstream operating system.)

SqueezeCenter isn't meant for music management. You're supposed to use
other software, like iTunes, for that purpose. SqueezeCenter is bloated
enough as it is. If you don't want to use iTunes, you can try stuff like
Tagrename for tagging purposes. That said, I proposed in another thread
an integrated solution or a distribution for those of us who don't
want to use iTunes and don't want to go on app fishing. You download
that distribution and you get not only SqueezeCenter, but the best apps
for ripping or tagging your music.


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Re: [slim] If this thing could only manage music...

2008-06-10 Thread egd

Whilst I understand where most are coming from in respect of SC's
limitations, I would hate to see SC try to become all things to
everyone.

IMHO SC already tries to do too much and there's possibly an argument
that its current form should be split between streaming music/ being
the go-between for the players and wireless/ wired remotes and
everything else it does.  I think tagging, library management etc. is
best left to other applications that already do the job brilliantly
such as mp3tag.  Granted, there isn't a decent library management tool
out there at present, not even iTunes comes close.  However, the
opportunity exists to write a cross platform standalone application
that does nothing other than library management (and does it damned
well) and integrates with SC insofar as it is able to inform SC's
playlist and interact with SC to allow the remotes etc. to browse the
library.


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Re: [slim] If this thing could only manage music...

2008-06-10 Thread egd

Mike New;310586 Wrote: 
 I gotta say, I'm growing weary of constantly looking for work-arounds
 and auxillary programs, especially when finishing this software seems
 so achievable.

What would you like to see it do, rattle off the features list.


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Re: [slim] If this thing could only manage music...

2008-06-10 Thread Mike New

Nostromo;310571 Wrote: 
 SqueezeCenter isn't meant for music management. You're supposed to use
 other software, like iTunes, for that purpose.


Really? Then what is SqueezeCenter meant for?  I've always viewed
Squeeze as a dedicated music system -- no video streaming, no TV
interface -- just a killer system for music enthusiasts like me.  Now
I'm told I should use iTunes to manage my music, and third-party
plug-ins to shore up other SqueezeCenter deficiencies.

C'mon.  Squeeze is one of the most capable, most mature systems out
there.  Surely someone has the vision to add the 10% that would sweep
us off our feet so we don't have to worry about how to
find/install/maintain plug-ins, or manage FLAC files in iTunes.  

SqueezeCenter is a great application, but it feels like it was designed
for techies (like myself) instead of music lovers (also like myself).  I
gotta say, I'm growing weary of constantly looking for work-arounds and
auxillary programs, especially when finishing this software seems so
achievable.


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Re: [slim] If this thing could only manage music...

2008-06-10 Thread sebp

egd;310579 Wrote: 
 Granted, there isn't a decent library management tool out there at
 present, not even iTunes comes close.
Maybe you should give Amarok a try? 
So far the best and most complete music library management software
I've ever used. iTunes is just a joke compared to (and will remain in
my mind until it opens up to FLAC and let your burn audio CD from music
you've ripped).


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Re: [slim] If this thing could only manage music...

2008-06-10 Thread egd

sebp;310594 Wrote: 
 Maybe you should give Amarok a try? 
 So far the best and most complete music library management software
 I've ever used. iTunes is just a joke compared to (and will remain in
 my mind until it opens up to FLAC and let your burn audio CD from music
 you've ripped).

I've tried Amarok, Exaile, Listen etc. etc. they're all great for
playing music on your PC, playlist management etc. but none of them
come close to what I would consider true music library management.  In
the sense of exposing relationships amongst artists etc. SC has more
functionality than any of the aforementioned, regardless of platform.


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Re: [slim] If this thing could only manage music...

2008-06-10 Thread Mike New

egd;310591 Wrote: 
 What would you like to see it do, rattle off the features list.

Thanks for asking.  Here is a quick  dirty list.  To see how these
might might look on the actual interface, reference iTunes,
MediaMonkey, Media Player.

1. List the library in its entirety on one screen, with sortable
columns for Title, Album, Artist, Genre, Length, etc.  MediaMonkey also
shows the source path as a column, which I think is a major bonus for
large libraries.

2. When searching, use the same screen as above, narrowing the results
as the user enters characters.

3. Add a new playlist without affecting the currently active playlist,
and eliminate the need to explicitly save the new playlist.

4. Drag (or right-click-add) songs to the new playlist.  Sequentially
number the songs in a playlist (this simplifies re-ordering on long
lists.)  As a side feature, make all playlists always visible so a song
can be easily moved to any playlist.

5.  Allow any playlist to be displayed and edited without affecting the
active (playing) playlist.  Again, just auto-save instead of requiring
an explicit step.

6.  Allow tag editing (right-click on Properties, Info, etc.) for all
major formats.  Filename editing would also be cool -- useful for
fixing typos, etc.


These are the big ones for me. I also have some suggestions for
secondary improvements, but these features would turn me into a raving
evangelist.

Thanks again.
Mike


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Re: [slim] If this thing could only manage music...

2008-06-10 Thread brdbointx

egd;310591 Wrote: 
 What would you like to see it do, rattle off the features list.

I really only have one real request for Squeeze center - I would like
for them to integrate some type of analytical system for songs that
creates playlists on the fly. On squeezenetwork, using the Mp3tunes
system allows for smart playlists (powered by AMG technology) by artist
and by current song. I also has a set of pre-built moods like dinner
music, etc. 

I know that you can use Music IP - which I love, but the problem is
that the whole thing breaks down if you are running on an NAS server
like the Infrant. Even if running on a windows or mac system you still
need to have the Music IP program running -- that is just a pain in the
rear. 

As for random play on Squeeze Center - it is just too dumb for my
liking. I have just recently become a fan of these smart lists. I like
them because I get performance like Pandora but with music I own. I
rediscover stuff I haven;t listened to in a while - it is a good thing.


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Re: [slim] If this thing could only manage music...

2008-06-10 Thread Nostromo

Mike New;310586 Wrote: 
 Really? Then what is SqueezeCenter meant for?  I've always viewed
 Squeeze as a dedicated music system -- no video streaming, no TV
 interface -- just a killer system for music enthusiasts like me.  Now
 I'm told I should use iTunes to manage my music, and third-party
 plug-ins to shore up other SqueezeCenter deficiencies.

Its main function is to stream your music to your Squeezebox. It does
that very, very well. In fact, its the best there is, IMO. OTOH, its
obvious it wasn't designed to manage your music collection. Otherwise,
you'd be able to tag your tracks, etc, etc. Its simply not its purpose.
Now, you could argue that it -should- be its purpose. But if you snoop
around in these forums you'll soon find out that there's a lot of
disagreement on this issue.

Personally, I don't mind using an external program to rip (EAC) and
manage (Tag  Rename) my music collection. It makes no difference as
far as I'm concerned. And for people who are not as tech-savvy as I am,
the SqueezeCenter/iTunes combo works great, too. Its not like Logitech
could come up with better products anytime soon. And, quite frankly, it
would be horrible with the web UI. 

That said, there should be an intuitive, user-friendly way to rate your
songs and create smart or dynamic playlists in SqueezeCenter. The last
time I checked Erland's plugins, he did some great work, but he wasn't
quite there yet. 

 C'mon.  Squeeze is one of the most capable, most mature systems out
 there.  Surely someone has the vision to add the 10% that would sweep
 us off our feet so we don't have to worry about how to
 find/install/maintain plug-ins, or manage FLAC files in iTunes.  
 
 SqueezeCenter is a great application, but it feels like it was designed
 for techies (like myself) instead of music lovers (also like myself).  I
 gotta say, I'm growing weary of constantly looking for work-arounds and
 auxillary programs, especially when finishing this software seems so
 achievable.

I agree, SqueezeCenter isn't user-friendly enough. I wouldn't recommend
it to my family. But they made a lot of progress since 7.0 and there's
more to come. There's a thread somewhere on how to make it more
user-friendly.


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Re: [slim] If this thing could only manage music...

2008-06-10 Thread aubuti

Nostromo;310640 Wrote: 
 Its main function is to stream your music to your Squeezebox. It does
 that very, very well. In fact, its the best there is, IMO. OTOH, its
 obvious it wasn't designed to manage your music collection. Otherwise,
 you'd be able to tag your tracks, etc, etc. Its simply not its purpose.
Personally, I'm extremely happy that SC doesn't manage my music my
library. Knowing that it only has read-only access to my library
(except playlists, although I could lock that down too if I wished)
means I can turn over the remote or keyboard or whatever to friends and
family and know that they can't muck anything up and send me scrambling
for my backup disk. 

Software like mp3tag, MusicIP, iTunes, Media Monkey, J River, etc does
all or most of the tasks listed here. Putting it all in SC just means
bloat. I'm sure others will continue to prefer the Swiss army knife
approach, and I don't imagine I'll persuade them otherwise. But imho
you can't beat a proper knife, screwdriver, and corkscrew.

Btw, on the save-to-a-different-playlist request, check out the
Playlist Manager plugin. It doesn't do exactly what the OP wants, but
it gets you part way there.


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